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Let the excuses from the Trumpturds start now.
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Let the excuses from the Trumpturds start now.
Just wondering why you didn’t post up how they dropped all charges against Trump just a few days ago? Oh that’s right, you’re a dishonest, America hating prick
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Just wondering why you didn’t post up how they dropped all charges against Trump just a few days ago? Oh that’s right, you’re a dishonest, America hating prick
so you're saying he was charged and then the charges were dropped?
what charges were those again?
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so you're saying he was charged and then the charges were dropped?
what charges were those again?
He's being charged rent for all the space he takes up in your head.
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He's being charged rent for all the space he takes up in your head.
The phony "coach" said the charges were dropped
All I did was ask what charges
Do you know?
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Where's Hunter? 8)
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Just wondering why you didn’t post up how they dropped all charges against Trump just a few days ago? Oh that’s right, you’re a dishonest, America hating prick
Please tell us what charges Trump had against him that were dropped, that I failed to mention.
You are just a lying delusional midget who can't tell the truth about anything. Little man, little mind.
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so you're saying he was charged and then the charges were dropped?
what charges were those again?
Trump was never charged and said they will not bring charges against him so of course, they’ll look for other shit that other businesses and non-profits would never get looked at for
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/president-trump-da-investigation-indictment/2021/07/01/id/1027109/
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Trump was never charged
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Just wondering why you didn’t post up how they dropped all charges against Trump just a few days ago? Oh that’s right, you’re a dishonest, America hating prick
Are you arguing with yourself now? Stupid is as stupid does = Stupid squared. Tell us from the depths of your rabid little mind.... how can charges against Trump be dropped, when Trump was never charged in the first place? Obviously, your Fragile X is competing with your general retardation right now. Pick a story and stick with it.
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Are you arguing with yourself now? Stupid is as stupid does = Stupid squared. Tell us from the depths of your rabid little mind.... how can charges against Trump be dropped, when Trump was never charged in the first place? Obviously, your Fragile X is competing with your general retardation right now. Pick a story and stick with it.
Dude..seriously. I can be here for the next 5 years with all shit you got wrong. Coward
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Dude..seriously. I can be here for the next 5 years with all shit you got wrong. Coward
That has nothing to do with me pointing out what YOU said in two back to back posts that contradicted yourself. Let's try to make simple for you to follow along.
You said charges against Trumpy were dropped.
Next you said there were no charges against Trumpy.
Which is it? Come on retard boy.... which story do you want to go with?
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I only saw a headline on this stuff.
Is it really only about not paying taxes on the free use of cars and properties, or is it something more sinister?
If the former, it feels like they should be fined and move on.
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I only saw a headline on this stuff.
Is it really only about not paying taxes on the free use of cars and properties, or is it something more sinister?
If the former, it feels like they should be fined and move on.
I think initially it is the unreported bonuses and living "benefits" that were given to certain people. It will most likely be a "shoe in the door" kind of thing that they will try to use to uncover other potential charges in the future.
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Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg surrendered to authorities early Thursday ahead of expected charges against him and former President Donald Trump’s company, according to multiple news outlets.
Weisselberg was seen walking into the the courthouse in lower Manhattan around 6:20 a.m. with his lawyer.
New York prosecutors are expected to announce the first criminal indictment Thursday in a two-year investigation into Trump’s business practices, accusing his namesake company and Weisselberg of tax crimes related to fringe benefits for employees.
The charges against the Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, remained sealed Wednesday night but were to be unveiled ahead of an afternoon arraignment at a state court in Manhattan, according to two people familiar with the matter.
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I only saw a headline on this stuff.
Is it really only about not paying taxes on the free use of cars and properties, or is it something more sinister?
If the former, it feels like they should be fined and move on.
this is likely only the beginning and obviously meant to increase the pressure on Weisselberg to flip
on the menu is tax fraud, insurance fraud, bank fraud, and enterprise fraud
https://www.brookings.edu/research/new-york-states-trump-investigation-an-analysis-of-the-reported-facts-and-applicable-law/
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Trump was never charged and said they will not bring charges against him so of course, they’ll look for other shit that other businesses and non-profits would never get looked at for
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/president-trump-da-investigation-indictment/2021/07/01/id/1027109/
Hey phony "coach" you might want to spend less time reading newsmax and more time listening to what Trump lawyer said earlier this week
“There is no indictment coming down this week against the former president,” Fischetti said in a telephone interview Monday. “I can’t say he’s out of the woods yet completely.”
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Trump Organization CFO Surrenders to Manhattan District Attorney: ‘This Is Not Justice; This is Politics’
“President Trump will not be personally charged in the criminal allegations.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/01/trump-organization-cfo-surrenders-to-manhattan-district-attorney-this-is-not-justice-this-is-politics/
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Trump Organization CFO Surrenders to Manhattan District Attorney: ‘This Is Not Justice; This is Politics’
“President Trump will not be personally charged in the criminal allegations.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/01/trump-organization-cfo-surrenders-to-manhattan-district-attorney-this-is-not-justice-this-is-politics/
But you said charges against Trumpy were dropped. How can something that was never there to start with be dropped?
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But you said charges against Trumpy were dropped. How can something that was never there to start with be dropped?
They didn’t bring charges. Every time you post you make clear to Ozmo that you’re the asshole and not me Mr. “they’ve got a smoking gun on Trump now” for the last five years.
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I think initially it is the unreported bonuses and living "benefits" that were given to certain people. It will most likely be a "shoe in the door" kind of thing that they will try to use to uncover other potential charges in the future.
Years ago my company had a situation like that, where we were letting long term India travelers expense their housing and food, etc.....then it turned out that we should have been booking that as comp, as it was a taxable benefit. Got fined, and moved on.
The shoe in the door angle makes sense...it's the same thing they're doing with Hunter Biden. Standard procedure.
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Years ago my company had a situation like that, where we were letting long term India travelers expense their housing and food, etc.....then it turned out that we should have been booking that as comp, as it was a taxable benefit. Got fined, and moved on.
The shoe in the door angle makes sense...it's the same thing they're doing with Hunter Biden. Standard procedure.
Was your CFO arrested.
Was your company indicted?
I assume so since you say this is the same thing
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They’ve been investigated for three years....and nothing. They’ll try to date anyone related to trump or Trump himself even if it was a parking ticket. So this is a witchhunt. Just another form of communism to try and shut down the opposition. Fucking wake up.
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Was your CFO arrested.
Was your company indicted?
I assume so since you say this is the same thing
What I was saying was that the INITIAL charges of not paying taxes on taxable benefits are similar to what we experienced, and IF that's all it is, they should get fined and move on.
If it's more nefarious than that, it would obviously be more severe in terms of penalties.
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That has nothing to do with me pointing out what YOU said in two back to back posts that contradicted yourself. Let's try to make simple for you to follow along.
You said charges against Trumpy were dropped.
Next you said there were no charges against Trumpy.
Which is it? Come on retard boy.... which story do you want to go with?
Be kind to Coach....he's just confused and probably somewhat worried that his hero might actually go down this time....or not. Time will tell.
With a total 15 counts, some the charges against Weisselberg and the Trump organization seem pretty serious, specially the first 4.
- Scheme to defraud in the first degree
- Conspiracy in the fourth degree
- Grand larceny in the second degree (Weisselberg only)
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the fourth degree
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
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They’ve been investigated for three years....and nothing. They’ll try to date anyone related to trump or Trump himself even if it was a parking ticket. So this is a witchhunt. Just another form of communism to try and shut down the opposition. Fucking wake up.
I hope they use the "witchhunt" defense in court
They can call it the phony "coach" gambit
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I hope they use the "witchhunt" defense in court
They can call it the phony "coach" gambit
Doesn’t surprise me at all that you’d back Communist tactics to try to silence them. At least you’re understanding why Trump is still the most powerful person in this country...Karl
Hey Karl, are trying to tell me that only doing their jobs?
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Doesn’t surprise me at all that you’d back Communist tactics to try to silence them. At least you’re understanding why Trump is still the most powerful person in this country...Karl
LOL
what are the "communist tactics" again
be specific
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They didn’t bring charges. Every time you post you make clear to Ozmo that you’re the asshole and not me Mr. “they’ve got a smoking gun on Trump now” for the last five years.
Why did YOU say there were charges against Trumpy. How can the charges be dropped if there were no charges brought?
Were you lying or just didn’t know what you were talking about? As usual.
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They’ve been investigated for three years....and nothing. They’ll try to date anyone related to trump or Trump himself even if it was a parking ticket. So this is a witchhunt. Just another form of communism to try and shut down the opposition. Fucking wake up.
Nothing huh?
15 year tax scheme. 15 counts they are being charged with. Sounds like a good deal more than just “nothing”. Or is the CFO just another political prisoner being held in jail with no charges filed against him, like you claim the Jan 6th idiots are?
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Nothing huh?
15 year tax scheme. 15 counts they are being charged with. Sounds like a good deal more than just “nothing”. Or is the CFO just another political prisoner being held in jail with no charges filed against him, like you claim the Jan 6th idiots are?
Nope...nothing. But they’ll find something. Sorry Benito (pussy)
All their trying to do is financially ruin Trump. You bet hope something happens because this alllll about 2022 and especially 2024.
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Be kind to Coach....he's just confused and probably somewhat worried that his hero might actually go down this time....or not. Time will tell.
With a total 15 counts, some the charges against Weisselberg and the Trump organization seem pretty serious, specially the first 4.
- Scheme to defraud in the first degree
- Conspiracy in the fourth degree
- Grand larceny in the second degree (Weisselberg only)
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the third degree
- Criminal tax fraud in the fourth degree
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Offering a false instrument for filing in the first degree (Weisselberg only)
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
- Falsifying business records in the first degree
Link
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Be kind to Coach....he's just confused and probably somewhat worried that his hero might actually go down this time....or not. Time will tell.
Link to posts where he appears worried?
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LOL
what are the "communist tactics" again
be specific
Fail history?
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Nope...nothing. But they’ll find something. Sorry Benito (pussy)
All their trying to do is financially ruin Trump. You bet hope something happens because this alllll about 2022 and especially 2024.
Must be something. Or else the courts wouldn't be hearing it. You know... like his bullshit stolen election lawsuits.
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Current Huffington Post Headline: THE LAW COMES FOR TRUMP ORG — CFO PERP WALK — WILL HE SING?
What exactly is he going to "sing" about?? Let me guess: now they REALLY got the goods on President Trump.
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Current Huffington Post Headline: THE LAW COMES FOR TRUMP ORG — CFO PERP WALK — WILL HE SING?
What exactly is he going to "sing" about?? Let me guess: now they REALLY got the goods on President Trump.
Trump isn't going to jail, and I am pretty he won't get charged either.
But some people really believe he will.
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Trump isn't going to jail, and I am pretty he won't get charged either.
But some people really believe he will.
Given that he has to actually break the law, I agree he probably isn't going to be charged. Not for lack of trying though. Probably the most investigated public official in American history.
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Fail history?
nope and I graduated from both high school and college
did you?
Now why don't you tell us what these "communist tactics" are again
if you can't do it then just say so
We're already know you're "confused" at best and a fucking moron at worst
remember how just yesterday you thought that charges had been filed against Trump and then dropped?
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Current Huffington Post Headline: THE LAW COMES FOR TRUMP ORG — CFO PERP WALK — WILL HE SING?
What exactly is he going to "sing" about?? Let me guess: now they REALLY got the goods on President Trump.
yeah, that's a real head scratcher isn't it
what could the CFO possibly know about Trumps involvement in bank fraud, tax fraud, insurance fraud, etc..
::) ::) ::)
Remember Enron - the CFO didn't know anything did he?
The only reason he went to jail was because of a witch hunt
I think that what he was convicted of being a witch ...right?
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But let’s go after Trump...
https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/hunter-biden-used-joes-vp-perks-to-pursue-deal-with-carlos-slim/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=com.duckduckgo.mobile.ios.OpenAction2
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If it goes up the ladder then could be his kids getting involved. Trumpy himself won’t be part of it.
As I said this is just the foot in the door tactic that could (they hope) lead to other things.
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But let’s go after Trump...
https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/hunter-biden-used-joes-vp-perks-to-pursue-deal-with-carlos-slim/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=com.duckduckgo.mobile.ios.OpenAction2
kind of reminds me of Ivanka and those trademarks she was awarded from China and then Trump tweeted about saving jobs in China
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=6192eb041d60
https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727
https://www.vogue.com/article/ivanka-trump-china-business-trademarks
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/28/ivanka-trump-won-china-trademarks-donald-trump-zte-reversal
Ivanka Trump won China trademarks days before her father's reversal on ZTE
Watchdog group says the timing of the approvals ‘raises significant questions about corruption
Ivanka Trump’s fashion and homewares business received initial approval from the Chinese government for five trademark applications days before her father announced a U-turn in policy on ZTE, a Chinese telecoms firm that has admitted breaking US sanctions on Iran and North Korea
Chinese trademark documents detailing the approvals were made public by Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility in Washington (Crew), a watchdog group. The group said the first daughter and White House adviser, who represents the US at diplomatic events, already held more than a dozen trademarks in China and multiple pending applications. Donald Trump holds more than 100 trademarks in China.
The five approvals, for applications made in 2017, came through on 7 May. On 13 May, Trump made the surprise announcement that he had instructed the Department of Commerce to help get ZTE “back into business”.
In April, the US government accused ZTE of misleading regulators after it settled charges of violating sanctions against North Korea and Iran. Its punishment was to be banned from US suppliers for seven years.
Watchdog group says the timing of the approvals ‘raises significant questions about corruption’
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If it goes up the ladder then could be his kids getting involved. Trumpy himself won’t be part of it.
As I said this is just the foot in the door tactic that could (they hope) lead to other things.
no one really knows anything at this point
If there are more indictments or if they try hanging a bunch of bank fraud and tax fraud charges on Weisselberg or his kids then he might flip on THE TRAITOR
If he's only facing a slap on wrist and no jail time then he'll obviously continue to keep quiet.
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If it goes up the ladder then could be his kids getting involved. Trumpy himself won’t be part of it.
As I said this is just the foot in the door tactic that could (they hope) lead to other things.
Right now if I were betting I'd say this leads to....not much.
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kind of reminds me of Ivanka and those trademarks she was awarded from China and then Trump tweeted about saving jobs in China
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/?sh=6192eb041d60
https://apnews.com/article/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727
https://www.vogue.com/article/ivanka-trump-china-business-trademarks
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/28/ivanka-trump-won-china-trademarks-donald-trump-zte-reversal
Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
Let me know if Ivanka did anything illegal like screw little girls while her dad knew about it. Documented...let’s see if you’ll cover for the crack head pedo. After all, if the Lefts way
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You or I would be in prison for this
https://thepostmillennial.com/proof-hunter-biden-lied-to-get-his-gun/
The hypocrisy of you guys knows no bounds
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Right now if I were betting I'd say this leads to....not much.
Really going out on a limb there. :) I'm sure this isn't the end of investigations, particularly if Trump runs in 2024. If he doesn't, they will turn their guns (even more so) to Governor DeSantis.
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Does it give your life a sense of purpose?
Nah..
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Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
Let me know if Ivanka did anything illegal like screw little girls while her dad knew about it. Documented...let’s see if you’ll cover for the crack head pedo. After all, if the Lefts way
go ahead and post it so we can see what you're talking about and make sure this is not one of the many things that you either imagined, misunderstood or just lied about (which is what you do most often)
BTW - still waiting for you to tell us about those "communist tactics" again
or have you given up on that lie and moved on to new lies?
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go ahead and post it so we can see what you're talking about and make sure this is not one of the many things that you either imagined, misunderstood or just lied about (which is what you do most often)
BTW - still waiting for you to tell us about those "communist tactics" again
or have you given up on that lie and moved on to new lies?
Lie? Failed history?
Quite the nice article on a peaceful country
https://huffingtonpostltd.com/2021/06/30/chinas-communist-party-to-celebrate-100th-birthday-in-show-of-pomp-and-power/
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Doesn’t surprise me at all that you’d back Communist tactics to try to silence them. At least you’re understanding why Trump is still the most powerful person in this country...Karl
Hey Karl, are trying to tell me that only doing their jobs?
I'm not saying Trump is a criminal with a very long history. But I am curious how you'd react if that turned out to be the indisputable truth. How long will you stay on a sinking ship?
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I'm not saying Trump is a criminal with a very long history. But I am curious how you'd react if that turned out to be the indisputable truth. How long will you stay on a sinking ship?
Indisputable truth of what? Someone companies or corporations RARELY get indicted for?
Go through the political process all the while laughing my ass know that literally everything eventually backfires on the left
Read
https://www.newsmax.com/us/trumporganization-indictment-bananarepublic/2021/07/01/id/1027204/
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I'm not saying Trump is a criminal with a very long history. But I am curious how you'd react if that turned out to be the indisputable truth. How long will you stay on a sinking ship?
Sinking ship? You have 74 mil Trump supporters and he still has an over 80% approval. Now, you tell me?
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Indisputable truth of what? Someone companies or corporations RARELY get indicted for?
Go through the political process all the while laughing my ass know that literally everything eventually backfires on the left
Read
https://www.newsmax.com/us/trumporganization-indictment-bananarepublic/2021/07/01/id/1027204/
I don't know if this guy actually broke the law, but definitely sounds like a partisan witch hunt. From the link:
The 15 counts merely come "down to paying perks to Weisselberg — such as his parking garage fees, tuition for family members and reimbursement of holiday gratuities — and not reporting them as taxable income, or reporting that the wrong Trump entity paid them."
These "almost never get criminally prosecuted," according to McLaughlin, who added this case shows Vance failed to find "the goods" on Trump.
"Attorney General Robert Jackson, later a Supreme Court justice and Nuremberg prosecutor, warned against 'picking the man and then searching the law books, or putting investigators to work, to pin some offense on him,' in which case 'the real crime becomes that of being unpopular with the predominant or governing group, being attached to the wrong political views, or being personally obnoxious to or in the way of the prosecutor himself,'" McLaughlin wrote.
"True in 1940, true in 2021."
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Sinking ship? You have 74 mil Trump supporters and he still has an over 80% approval. Now, you tell me?
This ship is definitely overloaded with supporters. Not to worry, Trump has no qualms about tossing people that inconvenience him overboard or making them walk the plank. As the ship sinks, you can be sure Trump will be the first one in a lifeboat. No doubt he will have someone else calculate for him, because he's not intelligent enough to to this on his own, the max weight capacity of the craft. Then, when he's sure there is a little room left after his obese self plops his fat ass on a seat with his golf bag and several Big Mac's and Kentucky Fried Chicken 8 Pc. meal to keep him from getting hungry until he can find refuge, he'll allow his family in order of favoritism in little lifeboat. Hope you are a good swimmer Coach.
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Sinking ship? You have 74 mil Trump supporters and he still has an over 80% approval. Now, you tell me?
80% approval among Republicans, right? I actually thought it'd be a little higher.
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80% approval among Republicans, right? I actually thought it'd be a little higher.
I should have said at least
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I should have said at least
Agreed.
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I should have said at least
In other words = not a fact. Just something you made up.
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Read up.
If the AG get nothing more than fines on some taxable fringe benefits, this is going to be a very bad look.
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They’ve been investigated for three years....and nothing. They’ll try to date anyone related to trump or Trump himself even if it was a parking ticket. So this is a witchhunt. Just another form of communism to try and shut down the opposition. Fucking wake up.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-organization-cfo-indicted-on-tax-fraud-charges-01625166434?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
As of July 1, 2021, the Trump org. CFO has been indicted by a grand jury and charged with multiple counts of tax fraud.
This is a state crime that can get him up to 15 yrs in state prison.
Of course, he has his day in court and Trump is personally NOT on trial, yet . But his company is.
Should be interesting, and we'll wait to see what happens.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-organization-cfo-indicted-on-tax-fraud-charges-01625166434?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo
As of July 1, 2021, the Trump org. CFO has been indicted by a grand jury and charged with multiple counts of tax fraud.
This is a state crime that can get him up to 15 yrs in state prison.
Of course, he has his day in court and Trump is personally NOT on trial, yet . But his company is.
Should be interesting, and we'll wait to see what happens.
Sure...three years and over 3mil documents later all they could come up with are BS charges that almost no corporation get charged for let alone indicted.
James ran campaign on getting Trump...
Particularly watch the video
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/erictrump-trumporganization-allenweisselberg/2021/07/01/id/1027206/
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Lie? Failed history?
Quite the nice article on a peaceful country
https://huffingtonpostltd.com/2021/06/30/chinas-communist-party-to-celebrate-100th-birthday-in-show-of-pomp-and-power/
I'll remind you (yet again) what YOU FUCKING WROTE
Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
Let me know if Ivanka did anything illegal like screw little girls while her dad knew about it. Documented...let’s see if you’ll cover for the crack head pedo. After all, if the Lefts way
post where the DEMS CELEBRATED CHINA'S 100 YEARS OF COMMUNISM or STFU already with this bullshit
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Sinking ship? You have 74 mil Trump supporters and he still has an over 80% approval. Now, you tell me?
I would assume the cult members adore the cult leader
When you factor in the rest of the country THE TRAITOR NEVER CRACKED THE 50% APPROVAL
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
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I'll remind you (yet again) what YOU FUCKING WROTE
post where the DEMS CELEBRATED CHINA'S 100 YEARS OF COMMUNISM or STFU already with this bullshit
You goddamn right I wrote it out. They make excuses for China. They don’t speak out against China did you read the article that I did I posted? There was nothing bad said about China there was nothing in there about China’s human rights violations and the over 65 million people that Were murdered during those 100 years. China owns this country son. We were getting away from him under Trump. But now Biden’s in now it’s all Chyna every day. His fucking son still has dealings with China and if you don’t think he does your fucking high. Take your fucking articles and stick them up your ass fucking sympathizer
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I would assume the cult members adore the cult leader
When you factor in the rest of the country THE TRAITOR NEVER CRACKED THE 50% APPROVAL
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
You and your fucking polls, you can shove those up your ass too. I was talking about the Republicans support. But if you want to address that we absolutely could. For five years Trump coverage from the media was 90% negative by our state ran media.
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Read up.
If the AG get nothing more than fines on some taxable fringe benefits, this is going to be a very bad look.
If nothing much comes of this, I will be surprised. After all the attempts so far to bring Trump down have failed, one would imagine that before going after him or anything connected to him such as his business and chief officers they'd have an ironclad case. It seems to me the more times Trump and his associates escape prosecution the less believable the charges become and the more the public will agree that it is a political "witch hunt" just as Trump and his followers claim it is.
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I listened to an extended discussion about this and read the indictment. They actually poured over millions of pages of subpoenaed records to come up with this stuff. And it was all reported on the company's books, so it's not a situation where anyone was trying to hide anything.
This is an obvious political hit job. Even if everything they say is true, you make the person/company pay back taxes, penalties, and interest. You don't put anyone in jail for this kind of thing.
And the dumbos in the media talking about getting this old dude to "flip" make absolutely no sense. Just like the impeachment fiascos and Michael Cohen, there is nothing for him "flip" about. This is some fascist stuff.
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Sure...three years and over 3mil documents later all they could come up with are BS charges that almost no corporation get charged for let alone indicted.
James ran campaign on getting Trump...
Particularly watch the video
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/erictrump-trumporganization-allenweisselberg/2021/07/01/id/1027206/
I read the "boring" released copy of the actual court transcript.
That way I could see the actual charges are and the initial basis for making them.
The typical political rhetoric on this varies from the left:
* where everyone in Trump world will be burned at the stake
or on the right:
* This is nothing but a political witch hunt
Based on that, this looks quote serious and appears to be systemic and deeply rooted within Trump inc.
The prosecutor has a mountain of evidence and so far their defense doesn't have much legal depth.
The basic tax fraud is that Trump org. , used condos , cars , etc as part of the executive salary package without anyone paying taxes on it. Then , Trump org. used these same assets to either write off on personal taxable income OR inflated their value to help finance loans.
So far, this resulted in 15 individual CRIMINAL charges on the CFO of Trump Org.
As CEO Trumps himself signed off on many checks and transactions dealing with this issue and all matters in Trump Org.
It remains to be seen how culpable Trump is in this matter.
It's also true that Trump's adult children ( Ivanka, Eric and Don Jr) may have some serious legal exposure in this matter.
People defending Trump will play the " political witch hunt " card as a typical bait and switch.
However, if one simply follows the money and how it relates to existing Tax law it looks bad for Trump Org.
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You and your fucking polls, you can shove those up your ass too. I was talking about the Republicans support. But if you want to address that we absolutely could. For five years Trump coverage from the media was 90% negative by our state ran media.
"Addressing it" isn't going to change it. Trump never got more than a 50% rating his entire term. FACT. No matter what excuses you make, it won't change that FACT.
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You goddamn right I wrote it out. They make excuses for China. They don’t speak out against China did you read the article that I did I posted? There was nothing bad said about China there was nothing in there about China’s human rights violations and the over 65 million people that Were murdered during those 100 years. China owns this country son. We were getting away from him under Trump. But now Biden’s in now it’s all Chyna every day. His fucking son still has dealings with China and if you don’t think he does your fucking high. Take your fucking articles and stick them up your ass fucking sympathizer
^^ Idiotic drivel that doesn't change what you wrote being false. Fuck off outta here with that weak made up bullshit.
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^^ Idiotic drivel that doesn't change what you wrote being false. Fuck off outta here with that weak made up bullshit.
Quiet sis
https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-media-ccp-anniversary
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"Addressing it" isn't going to change it. Trump never got more than a 50% rating his entire term. FACT. No matter what excuses you make, it won't change that FACT.
Hey, as long you go alohe with the state ran media where YOU get your info from that’s all that counts. They did their jobs.. right?
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You goddamn right I wrote it out. They make excuses for China. They don’t speak out against China did you read the article that I did I posted? There was nothing bad said about China there was nothing in there about China’s human rights violations and the over 65 million people that Were murdered during those 100 years. China owns this country son. We were getting away from him under Trump. But now Biden’s in now it’s all Chyna every day. His fucking son still has dealings with China and if you don’t think he does your fucking high. Take your fucking articles and stick them up your ass fucking sympathizer
so once again YOU LIED
You wrote: Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
I said show me where they did this and you've got NOTHING
You seem to live your life in a constant state of grievance over things that are not true and then you come here and pass along these LIES and then lose your shit when you get called on them
Here's a thought...maybe stop lying so goddamn much all the time
Maybe you'll feel better
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so once again YOU LIED
You wrote: Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
I said show me where they did this and you've got NOTHING
You seem to live your life in a constant state of grievance over things that are not true and then you come here and pass along these LIES and then lose your shit when you get called on them
Here's a thought...maybe stop lying so goddamn much all the time
Maybe you'll feel better
Like always, you didn’t read it you dumb communist sympathizing son of a bitch
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Fox calling out their competition MSN...what else is new?
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Like always, you didn’t read it you dumb communist sympathizing son of a bitch
that's a Fox News opinion so totally worthless and of course there are no examples so we can see if their opinion is valid or JUST MORE LIES (I suspect more lies since that is all they do)
Also, you didn't say "America Media"...did you?
No, what you said was "Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism"
This is a perfect example you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
You LIE ALL THE TIME
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that's a Fox News opinion so totally worthless and of course there are no examples so we can see if their opinion is valid or JUST MORE LIES (I suspect more lies since that is all they do)
Also, you didn't say "America Media"...did you?
No, what you said was "Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism"
This is a perfect example you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
You LIE ALL THE TIME
Hahaha...go away troll. “I lie all the time” Who do you think runs the state ran media you buy into everyday? The Dems. You dishonest non-binary puke. I posted another puff piece from the Huffpo that I’m sure you didn’t read either.
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that's a Fox News opinion so totally worthless and of course there are no examples so we can see if their opinion is valid or JUST MORE LIES (I suspect more lies since that is all they do)
Also, you didn't say "America Media"...did you?
No, what you said was "Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism"
This is a perfect example you are a LYING PIECE OF SHIT
You LIE ALL THE TIME
An FYI, genius. It’s not an opinion piece
https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-media-ccp-anniversary
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-outlets-fall-in-line-to-celebrate-ccp-anniversary
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An FYI, genius. It’s not an opinion piece
https://www.foxnews.com/media/china-media-ccp-anniversary
https://www.foxnews.com/media/media-outlets-fall-in-line-to-celebrate-ccp-anniversary
who gives a shit what FAUX NEWS says
you wrote: Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
If you meant to say "Did you see what Fox News said about other media outlets coverage of China's 100 years of communism" then SAY THAT NEXT TIME YOU FUCKING MORON
Fox News LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING....JUST LIKE YOU
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who gives a shit what FAUX NEWS says
you wrote: Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
If you meant to say "Did you see what Fox News said about other media outlets coverage of China's 100 years of communism" then SAY THAT NEXT TIME YOU FUCKING MORON
Fox News LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING....JUST LIKE YOU
You dumb shit, the political Dems and the media are one in the same..hahahahahah
Why don’t you try opening the links within the article... afraid of what you might find?
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who gives a shit what FAUX NEWS says
you wrote: Did you see where the Dems celebrated Chinas 100 years of communism?
If you meant to say "Did you see what Fox News said about other media outlets coverage of China's 100 years of communism" then SAY THAT NEXT TIME YOU FUCKING MORON
Fox News LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING....JUST LIKE YOU
I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
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I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
The hypocrisy. At least you have your senility to blame. ;)
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I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
You’ve bought into the state ran propaganda too. “Evil” lol
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I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
Guaranteed this stupid cokksucker thinks RAPIST JOE BIDEN cares about him.
The same vile pedo who will actually change a direct quote to try to make a point in an argument on the internet. Senile old lying fuck.
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You’ve bought into the state ran propaganda too. “Evil” lol
Whatever makes you feel better Coach is fine with me. You're going to need these memories. IMO, you're a good person although completely brainwashed. Sadly, you are one amongst many.
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Within a handful of "off topic" political issue posts, the thread attention is OFF the recent Trump Org CFO's criminal indictment trial. ;)
This tactic as an old, proven tactic to sway public opinion now used on social media , forums, blogs, etc.
However, it won't be too effective in open court in front of a judge.
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Hey, as long you go alohe with the state ran media where YOU get your info from that’s all that counts. They did their jobs.. right?
You are making excuses for your own lying. Weak bitch.
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Within a handful of "off topic" political issue posts, the thread attention is OFF the recent Trump Org CFO's criminal indictment trial. ;)
This tactic as an old, proven tactic to sway public opinion now used on social media , forums, blogs, etc.
However, it won't be too effective in open court in front of a judge.
Neither will Coach's lies. :D
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Let the excuses from the Trumpturds start now.
It's political duh
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They’ve been investigated for three years....and nothing. They’ll try to date anyone related to trump or Trump himself even if it was a parking ticket. So this is a witchhunt. Just another form of communism to try and shut down the opposition. Fucking wake up.
This is a witch hunt and political and much ado about nothing but it absolutely has nothing to do with Communism
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It's political duh
A grand jury is not going to indict on politics
These are financial crimes and there is a paper trail
For the charges filed against Weisselberg so far from what I've seen they got him dead to rights
These dipshits kept two sets of books and they clearly documented both their intent and their crimes ( I say they because the indictment lists un-indicted co-conspirator #1)
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-unindicted-co-conspirator-1-trump-organization-indictment-2021-7
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/there-s-just-no-legal-defense-trump-organization-jeopardy-experts-n1272934
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I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
you're just beginning to think that now
WTF ??? ???
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This is a witch hunt and political and much ado about nothing but it absolutely has nothing to do with Communism
Go after the opposition based on little to nothing to disqualify him.
Her campaign was to get Trump at all costs. Cyrus Vance (a hack) had a four year investigation what included his taxes. 3million documents that came up with nothing so let’s get the indict the CFO to see if he’ll turn on Trump but charge him on fring benefits which 90% of corporations give.
Read your history
The communist sympathizers and one that’s a for sure communist on here.. will still believe whatever their state ran media tells them
The left is scared to death of Trump
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I hope they use the "witchhunt" defense in court
They can call it the phony "coach" gambit
It’s an activist court by the piece of shit you support you too Communist piece of shit
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It’s an active his court by the piece of shit you support you too Communist piece of shit
Can anyone here translate this gibberish?
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Can anyone here translate this gibberish?
Shut up fuck head. I’m using voice to text.
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Shut up fuck head. I’m using voice to text.
that's your excuse for posting gibberish?
is that going to be your excuse for all the LIES that you post?
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It’s an activist court by the piece of shit you support you too Communist piece of shit
You have clearly shown that you do not know what activist or communist means.
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Fox calling out their competition MSN...what else is new?
Looks like The Demented lost that usless war in Afghanistan !.
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You have clearly shown that you do not know what activist or communist means.
Bob :-* China, don't you Bob !.
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I am beginning to think that Coach is so enmeshed in Trumpism that there is no hope, considering with his political perspective, he can rationally process any new input. Maybe that trip to the Christmas party in D.C. last year cemented his point of view and blind devotion so deeply that his reasoning has become impenetrable, (a steel trap if you will). How very sad. Coach is a good person who seems to have become a mindless devotee of a very evil person who when all is said and done does not give a shit about him. There's a saying that goes the bigger they are the harder they fall. That little ditty forgets to mention all those that sadly fall with their idols.
In my OPINION, Coach is only "guilty" of being an unapologetic , dedicated republican - Trump supporter.
I suspect, Coach honestly believes that "his side" is what's best for the country.
He reasons, that his side may not be perfect, but it's much better OVERALL for America.
Coach is just giving the republican opinion without any apologies or attempt to be even handed.
MOST ( not all ) tend to be like this in everything from sports to politics , etc.
Despite what some may think of me, at least I TRY to be objective and consider BOTH sides.
I'm not perfectly "fair and balanced" and have my own unique slant on political issues.
I make a valid attempt to avoid being 1 sided and maintain independent thinking.
Remember , "the Ref" is the one guy BOTH teams boo .
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Looks like The Demented lost that usless war in Afghanistan !.
Yup.
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.
Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.
In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.
Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.
In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.
Not sure what the point of this was. Lol
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Not sure what the point of this was. Lol
Of course you aren't. Mainly because it is a post related to the thread title and topic being discussed. Which you know nothing about in that regards.
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Of course you aren't. Mainly because it is a post related to the thread title and topic being discussed. Which you know nothing about in that regards.
Fringe benefits are done everyday. Corporations pay for things like this all the time. The fact that you think this a big deal is a joke in itself. If a company wants to pay for their kids tuition they can. If I chose to give one of my employees a company car, I can. Wtf is the matter with you?
Oh my God...he paid tuition for an education 🙄
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Donald Trump Jr. Concedes Felony Count In Indictment Against Dad's Company Is True.
Donald Trump Jr. has come right out and acknowledged that one of the counts in the 15-felony indictment against his dad’s Trump Organization and its chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, is true.
In a rambling 13-minute video posted to Facebook on Thursday, Junior said that, yes, his father, former President Donald Trump, paid the private school tuition for Weisselberg’s grandkids. “My dad did that,” he said, because he’s a “good guy.”
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It is amazing that someone has not told Eric and Duhnold Jr that being the executives of a company that was just indicted would be a good reason to keep their mouths shut.
Donald Trump Jr. should read this IRS publication before he makes anymore statements about the fringe benefits Allen Weisselberg received from the Trump Corporation.
Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe Benefits https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf
(https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf)
"Are Fringe Benefits Taxable?
Any fringe benefit you provide is taxable and must be included in the recipient's pay unless the law specifically excludes it. Section 2 discusses the exclusions that apply to
certain fringe benefits. Any benefit not excluded under the
rules discussed in section 2 is taxable." Page 3
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Donald Trump Jr. should read this IRS publication before he makes anymore statements about the fringe benefits Allen Weisselberg received from the Trump Corporation.
Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe Benefits https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf
(https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf)
"Are Fringe Benefits Taxable?
Any fringe benefit you provide is taxable and must be included in the recipient's pay unless the law specifically excludes it. Section 2 discusses the exclusions that apply to
certain fringe benefits. Any benefit not excluded under the
rules discussed in section 2 is taxable." Page 3
Ok...The next time I see him I’ll tell him “primemuscle from getbig said you should read this” he’s all knowing. How many employees paychecks have you signed again?
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Fringe benefits are done everyday. Corporations pay for things like this all the time. The fact that you think this a big deal is a joke in itself. If a company wants to pay for their kids tuition they can. If I chose to give one of my employees a company car, I can. Wtf is the matter with you?
Oh my God...he paid tuition for an education 🙄
Yes you can give an employee a company car and yes you can pay tuition for an employee's grandchild. If the employee uses the car for personal use, it is a taxable benefit. An employee's grandchild's tuition is a taxable benefit. Do employers ever break tax law on taxable fringe benefits? Some probably do. That doesn't make it legal nor is it a legal defense if you are caught. You may want to brush up on employee fringe benefit tax law before you give your employees fringe benefits.
Here a link to the IRS Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe benefitshttps://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf)
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Yes you can give an employee a company car and yes you can pay tuition for an employee's grandchild. If the employee uses the car for personal use, it is a taxable benefit. An employee's grandchild's tuition is a taxable benefit. Do employers ever break tax law on taxable fringe benefits? Some probably do. That doesn't make it legal nor is it a legal defense if you are caught. You may want to brush up on employee fringe benefit tax law before you give your employees fringe benefits.
Here a link to the IRS Employer's Tax Guide to Fringe benefitshttps://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf (https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf)
Good we agree that 90% of corporations won’t even get charged let alone indicted. At the most they’ll get notices to pay, dispute, pay interest penalties or make payment arrangements. The fact this is at the forefront instead of the murder and crime rates skyrocking in NYC, Hunter Biden not even being investigated not disclosing a list of buyers on his “art work” that’s could sell for up to $500k or more, him lying on a firearms application, tossing a firearm that was traced back to him, his father lying then getting caught lying about knowing nothing about his sons business dealings when he in fact, knew everything....but they want to after Trumps CFO on, excuse the pun....Trumped up charges is straight out Nazi Germany and it’s been like this for 5 years when the Obama administration was caught dead to rights spying on Trumps campaign.
But the fact is, liberals have no regard for the laws of this country, the constitution, ethics of the judicial system or the country as a whole. They’re no better than worm dung
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The above is what I've tried to explain multiple times.
Non payment of taxes on fringe benefits generally results in a fine and everyone moves on. A company I worked for did this for years, it turned up in audit, and they paid the $ and that was it. No criminal anything.
Lurker did explain that this could be an entry point into something more sinister...but for now that remains to be seen.
Straw posted an article where there is a "person of interest involved". Those with TDS are hoping it's Trump who set up the CFO to not pay taxes.
For now, it seems like this is a big nothing, and the AG will look foolish if this is it.
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Good we agree that 90% of corporations won’t even get charged let alone indicted. At the most they’ll get notices to pay, dispute, pay interest penalties or make payment arrangements. The fact this is at the forefront instead of the murder and crime rates skyrocking in NYC, Hunter Biden not even being investigated not disclosing a list of buyers on his “art work” that’s could sell for up to $500k or more, him lying on a firearms application, tossing a firearm that was traced back to him, his father lying then getting caught lying about knowing nothing about his sons business dealings when he in fact, knew everything....but they want to after Trumps CFO on, excuse the pun....Trumped up charges is straight out Nazi Germany and it’s been like this for 5 years when the Obama administration was caught dead to rights spying on Trumps campaign.
But the fact is, liberals have no regard for the laws of this country, the constitution, ethics of the judicial system or the country as a whole. They’re no better than worm dung
You do realize you contradicted yourself in the above post, unless all those corporations you mention who broke tax laws and weren't prosecuted were run by liberals. Obviously Trump's corporation is not run by liberals and yet they acted unlawfully. Do you also realize that if the Trump corporation his CFO and even Trump himself violated tax laws they apparently have no regard for the laws of this country, ethics and the judicial system regardless of how many other companies do this too.
Are you suggesting because NYC murders are skyrocketing, other law violations and criminal activities should be ignored? Hunter Biden not being investigated for the alleged crimes and business activities is not relevant. Also, how do you know he's not been or being investigated for these things? I agree that lying is wrong no matter who does it or why they do, but in most cases lying in and of itself is not a law breaking activity otherwise pretty much everyone would be a criminal.
If these charges are 'trumped up' they won't stand up in court. So far I've not heard anyone denying the CFO or the Trump corporation did what they are accused of doing. What I am hearing is that many folks, yourself included, think it is okay because other companies do the same stuff. Try telling this to a cop the next time you're pulled over for running a red light or speeding. Chances are you will still get a ticket and still have to pay it.
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The above is what I've tried to explain multiple times.
Non payment of taxes on fringe benefits generally results in a fine and everyone moves on. A company I worked for did this for years, it turned up in audit, and they paid the $ and that was it. No criminal anything.
Lurker did explain that this could be an entry point into something more sinister...but for now that remains to be seen.
Straw posted an article where there is a "person of interest involved". Those with TDS are hoping it's Trump who set up the CFO to not pay taxes.
For now, it seems like this is a big nothing, and the AG will look foolish if this is it.
American businesswoman, Leona Helmsley was convicted of federal income tax evasion 1989, largely because she paid for remodeling her home using corporate funds and not claiming it as income, (an taxable fringe benefit). She was originally sentenced to sixteen years in prison, but received a four-year prison sentence, 750 hours of community service, and a $7.1 million tax fraud fine. Helmsley is famous for saying: "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes", a quote which was identified with her for the rest of her life.
An Oregon businessman was ordered to spend more than a year in prison and pay the IRS approximately $500,000 in penalties, interest and federal employment taxes after pleading guilty to tax evasion. He also had to close his business.
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American businesswoman, Leona Helmsley was convicted of federal income tax evasion 1989, largely because she paid for remodeling her home using corporate funds and not claiming it as income, (an taxable fringe benefit). She was originally sentenced to sixteen years in prison, but received a four-year prison sentence, 750 hours of community service, and a $7.1 million tax fraud fine. Helmsley is famous for saying: "We don't pay taxes; only the little people pay taxes", a quote which was identified with her for the rest of her life.
An Oregon businessman was ordered to spend more than a year in prison and pay the IRS approximately $500,000 in penalties, interest and federal employment taxes after pleading guilty to tax evasion. He also had to close his business.
lol....give it up.
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Good analysis. Among the many good points, since when does a state pursue a citizen for failing to pay federal taxes? Why wasn't the IRS all over this?
Trump Inc. and CFO Charged By Manhattan DA With Tax Crimes Involving Non-Payroll Benefits Paid But The Harpoon Misses The White-Whale -- Again
shipwreckedcrew
Jul 1
Donald Trump? Missed again.
On Thursday the Attorney General for the State of New York obtained an indictment charging Trump Inc., and its longtime Chief Financial Officer Alen Weisselberg with engaging in a 15 year-long scheme to evade paying income taxes s that the company failed to properly account for the "bonus" payments made to employees, as well as payment by the company of certain employee expenses as fringe benefits, such as private school tuition, cars, and housing costs.
The indictment alleges that Trump Inc. and Weisselberg structured an off-the-books compensation scheme that allowed Weisselberg to receive approximately $1.76 million in income which was not reported to taxing authorities. The is approximately $120,000 a year over the 15 year period.
Curiously, although the indictment is a bit coy on the specifics, it seems like Weisselberg was the “official” at Trump Inc. who could authorize all the allegedly illegal actions by Trump Inc. that are alleged to have conveyed illegal tax benefits to him.
The tax benefits allegedly became illegal when Weisselberg failed to declare the off-the-books benefits as income subject to taxation.
Sounds like circular reasoning to me.
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I was surprised when I read at the beginning of the indictment that among the “victims” of the “fraud” scheme as alleged in the indictment is the IRS.
I was stunned when I read further and saw that the indictment claims Weisselberg “evaded” $550,000 in FEDERAL income taxes as a result.
So far as I’m aware, the IRS has never made such a claim and such determinations rest exclusively with IRS, not a State Attorney General.
The IRS will likely be heartened to know that the New York Attorney General is protecting it from such financial felonious miscreants as Alan Weisselberg, and saving it from the ineptitude of all those IRS agents whose job it is to make sure everyone pays their taxes in the appropriate amount.
What would they all do without the NY AG’s expert staff?
This brings me to a point I made on Twitter.
NYC has tens of thousands of attorneys, including some of the very best attorneys in the entire world. I’m going to speculate and venture a guess that obtaining a job in the NY AG’s office isn’t high on the “Prestige-O-Meter”, and the lawyering done here seems to confirm that.
The nature of the allegations made in the indictment is tedious. They can be paraphrased in the following manner:
The Trump Corp paid living and personal family expenses of Weisselberg, adjusted down the amount of his wages to reflect those payments, reported wage income as paid but failed to report as part of his income the total monetary value of the non-wage benefits. The obligation to pay taxes was ALWAYS on Weisselberg, and AT MOST, Trump Inc. avoided payment of its one-half share of Social Security tax on Weisselberg’s income. But that only applies up to the first approximately $120,000 of wage income, and since he made more than that Trump Inc did pay its full share of his Social Security tax.
So what did Trump Inc fail to pay as a result of this “fraud scheme” by which it victimized the IRS????
Ummm — nothing?
What the media won't say is that focusing a case in this fashion at this point, and working so hard to obtain the cooperation of Weisselberg, reflects that the investigation has otherwise come up empty. Pressuring Weisselberg into cooperating might -- hopefully -- open the door to other avenues of inquiry into Trump, Inc., that might touch on former President Trump himself. So far they don't have that or they would not be making this gambit.
That's all it really is.
Unless Weisselberg actually has something to offer and changes his mind about cooperating, it looks like yet another failed effort to take down President Trump in an effort to drive him from the national political scene.
I'll end with this observation which I've made on Twitter many times -- Donald Trump and Trump, Inc., might be the most heavily scrutinized individual and company for tax purposes over the past 30+ years -- both at the federal level and in New York. Yet there has never been a tax prosecution of him even attempted going back to long before he entered politics.
There isn't anything to find. He's paid lawyers and accountants millions of dollars over the decades he's been in business to keep him out of tax problems -- just like all rich people do.
This is a Captain Ahab-like pursuit of Moby Dick.
It will probably end in the same fashion as Melville's classic.
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Eric Trump to Newsmax: Trump Family Not Charged Because Nothing to Charge Them With
By Jack Gournell | Thursday, 01 July 2021
It's no mystery why the Manhattan prosecutor's office didn't elect to charge former President Donald Trump or any of his children with crimes on Thursday when The Trump Organization and its CFO Allen Weisselberg were charged, Eric Trump tells Newsmax.
"You think if after going through 3.5 million pages [of Trump's records] over four years, they found a single thing on Donald Trump. You think they'd be going after Allen Weisselberg?" Eric Trump told "Greg Kelly Reports" guest host Eric Bolling in his first interview following the Thursday morning indictments against Weisselberg and the family business for which he serves as executive vice president.
"Of course not. They'd be going after Donald Trump. And guess what? After all that time they found nothing. You know why? Because there is nothing."
The Trump Organization is a "really, really good company," he said. "We're the best in the world at what we do. We run amazing golf courses and we run some of the best hotels on earth, and we run great commercial buildings."
Trump said he has no concerns that either he or his siblings, Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump, who also are involved in the company, will face charges, because "we've always lived amazingly clean lives."
If prosecutors could press charges against any of the Trumps, they already would have, Eric Trump said, adding "That was their end goal."
"You know, the difference is I'm not Hunter Biden," he said, alluding to President Joe Biden's son and a litany of allegations made against him in recent months. "I'm not selling paintings to undisclosed people for half a million dollars apiece. I'm not doing drugs in shady hotels. I'm not going out soliciting prostitution and I'm not going out selling influence to the Ukraine and China and having lavish trips paid for while my father's commander in chief."
President Joe Biden has denied participating in any kind of influence peddling.
Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr.'s office's indictments were related to fringe benefits, something that virtually never results in criminal prosecution. Some observers believe the charges likely are an attempt to get Weisselberg, a Trump Organization employee since the early 1970s, to "flip" on the former president.
"This is the same DA's office in 2008 when you had people at some of the biggest banks in the country that were literally sorting subprime mortgages while at the same time going off and selling them to retirement plans and people all over the country," Trump said.
"So the same people who were selling them saying what a wonderful product was on their own books were shorting them. They caused an entire collapse of our financial system. And not a single one of those people got charged. This is trillions and trillions of dollars worth of financial fraud that literally took down the U.S. economy."
New York State DA Letitia James, who worked with Vance's office, has said before beginning investigations that she intended to focus attention and resources on Donald Trump, and Eric told Newsmax on Thursday that the current charges bear that out.
"They know my father, he's thinking about running in 2024," he said. "They want to do anything they can to disqualify him."
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/erictrump-trumporganization-allenweisselberg/2021/07/01/id/1027206/
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Maybe the article would be more correct if he was trying to harpoon the great, orange whale?