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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Nutrition, Products & Supplements Info => Topic started by: JamieX4200 on April 22, 2006, 12:39:38 PM
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I was thinking a 500mg time realesed niacin at night... Any other ideas would be appreciated... Already taking daily vitamins and liver support.
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I've heard Coenzyme Q-10 in dosages of 100-300 mg can be good also. I'm no expert, but some also say garlic can have a positive affect on blood pressure....maybe google it
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Try Hawthorne Berry.
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I dont want high blood pressure, looking for OTC to lower it.
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I dont want high blood pressure, looking for OTC to lower it.
That's why I recommended Hawthorne Berry. It's supposed to help lower BP.
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ok got it.. what do you think of 500mg niacin time realesed at night time before bed?
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ok got it.. what do you think of 500mg niacin time realesed at night time before bed?
Can't say I've ever tried it.
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has anyone heard of the niacin working?
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has anyone heard of the niacin working?
I have never heard of niacin for blood pressure - cholesterol yes - but not BP.
Plus, you would not like the niacin flush :P
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time realesed doesnt cause the flush... plus i take it at night, the bottle says blood pressure.. any other ideas?
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time realesed doesnt cause the flush... plus i take it at night, the bottle says blood pressure.. any other ideas?
You may want to look into arginine, garlic, L-Arginine. Of course fish oil :-*
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the bottle says blood pressure..
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What are your numbers and your age?
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What are your numbers and your age?
155 over 100... but they did say it could be wrong because of the cuff not being big enough.
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i'm 22
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and i workout, no salt... unless its the sodium already in the food. and i eat fairly healthy.
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155 over 100... but they did say it could be wrong because of the cuff not being big enough.
Who is "they"? A doctor? If so, find another dr. That is extremely high, especially at your age. HUGE red flag buddy ~ not to scare you, but you need to have it checked out.
Meanwhile, avoid the salt AND alcohol.
oh, and if and when you're lifting heavy, DO NOT hold your breath.
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FYI
What happens inside your body if high blood pressure is not controlled?
You've probably heard that high blood pressure can contribute to heart disease, stroke and kidney failure. You may understand the risk better if you can visualize what's going on inside your body.
Simply put, when your blood pressure is high, your heart has to work harder than normal, which puts both the heart and the arteries under a greater strain.
Your heart
If you work hard lifting weights, your arm muscles will enlarge. In the same way, when the heart has to work harder for an extended time, it tends to enlarge. When your blood pressure is too high, your heart has to work progressively harder to pump enough blood and oxygen to your body's organs and tissues to meet their needs. The heart muscle stretches and thickens, and the heart stops functioning properly. A significantly enlarged heart has a hard time meeting the demands put on it and can fail.
Your arteries
Arteries are the vessels which carry blood throughout your body. When your blood pressure is too high, the arteries become scarred, hardened and less elastic. This occurs to some degree in all of us as we age, but elevated blood pressure speeds this process, which is called 'hardening of the arteries' or atherosclerosis.
Hardened or narrowed arteries may be unable to supply the amount of blood the body's organs need. If the organs don't get enough oxygen and nutrients, they can't function properly. There is also a risk that a blood clot may lodge in an artery narrowed by atherosclerosis, depriving part of the body of its normal blood supply.
If the arteries that supply blood to the heart become clogged, blood flow to parts of the heart is slowed. When one vessel is completely closed off, blood ceases to flow to part of the heart, and portions of the heart muscle are damaged. This is a heart attack.
Narrowing of the arteries may also cause chest pain, called angina pectoris. Narrowing of the arteries in the legs causes cramping and pain because the tissues are not getting enough oxygen.
Your brain
Stroke may be caused by the progressive narrowing of the blood vessels in the brain. When blood flow becomes inadequate, brain cells are robbed of oxygen, and they die. Narrowing of the vessels also leads to a situation where a blood clot cannot move through the arteries; it blocks the flow of blood and deprives the tissue beyond of oxygen. About 80% of strokes are caused by the blockage of an artery in the neck or brain.
People who suffer a stroke often are left with paralysis on one side of the body and loss of speech.
A stroke is an emergency just as is a heart attack. Its symptoms are:
# Weakness, numbness or paralysis of the face, arm or leg – particularly on one side of the body
# Difficulty speaking or understanding simple statements
# Blurred or decreased vision in one or both eyes
# Sudden, unexplainable and intense headache
# Dizziness, loss of balance or loss of coordination, especially when combined with another symptom
# Sudden nausea, fever and vomiting – distinguished from a viral illness by the speed of onset (minutes or hours vs. several days)
# Brief loss of consciousness or period of decreased consciousness (fainting, confusion, convulsions or coma).
Your kidneys
High blood pressure can cause narrowing of the arteries in the kidneys – just as in other parts of your body – which can lead to kidney failure.
The primary function of the kidneys is to filter toxic chemicals from your blood. This process is accomplished in specialized structures inside the kidneys. The blood pressure of the vessels inside these filtering structures is critical for their proper functioning.
When the arteries are narrowed and thickened by high blood pressure, blood flow to the filtering structures is reduced, and they cease to function properly. The amount of fluid that the kidneys can filter is reduced, leading to kidney failure. Toxic materials build up in the body. People with kidney failure need to undergo dialysis – use of a machine as an artificial kidney – and may ultimately need a kidney transplant.
The kidney has its own feedback mechanism to maintain optimum blood pressure to assure its proper functioning. When this internal mechanism senses that blood pressure is too low, it tries to compensate by raising blood pressure, which begins a deadly spiral of higher and higher pressure.
Your eyes
As in other parts of your body, the blood vessels inside your eyes may also narrow and harden due to uncontrolled high blood pressure. This can cause clot formation and bleeding inside the eye, which leads to vision impairment and even blindness.
Sources:
* NHLBI (National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, NIH): 'High Blood Pressure: Treat It for Life.'
* AHA: 'High Blood Pressure, Why It Is Bad.'
* Marvin Moser, MD: 'High Blood Pressure and What You Can Do About It' (distributed by NHLBI)
* NINDS (National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, NIH): 'Stroke.'
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i think its from the tren i'm running cause i eat healthy and i dont like salt.
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Your crazy if you let this go unchecked. You need to seek professonal help with this. Didn't you say on another thread that there is a history of high blood pressure in your family? If so you are prone but at this point your blood pressure is way too high to go without outside help. You also need to be clean with your Dr about the tren and anything else OTC or not(although tren is not going to be the cause) in order to get some real help. Again you are way too young to be having the issues you are having they are only going to amplify as you get older.
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155 over 100... but they did say it could be wrong because of the cuff not being big enough.
Jamie, your blood pressure is not extremely high, but should be monitored closely. If they (Dr. or nurse) are using a cuff that is too small then the reading is typically higher, so get a lager cuff. The second thing is; what is causing the BP to be high. Is it hereditary, or are there family members that are treated for high BP, also are you retaining water. There are some meds such as hydrochlorothiazide (Rx) that are diuretics that can lower BP, but if water retention is not your problem then it is probably more genetic and you will have to have your heart rate slowed. It is your pulse elevated when at rest? Can you feel your heart beat at night when you try to go to sleep? If this is the case then you will need some type of beta blocker such as Toprol XP. You need to start seeing an internal medicine doctor of just a general practitioner. Oh and the tren can cause high blood pressure so I would come off that first to see if that is the culprit. If you are taking trenabone acetate then is should be out of your system in a few days.
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I agree, your blood pressure isn't that high but you are correct in your assessment that the tren is raising your blood pressure.
To keep it down, be sure to get a healthy serving of essential fatty acids. Also, even though you're not adding any salt to foods, make sure that the food that you prepare isn't high in sodium. For supplements, CQ10 is great for heart regulation
Overall, its very important to get routine checkups with your doctor and be honest with what you are using. Remember doctor/client privilege and that he cannot turn you in or anything.
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Jamie, your blood pressure is not extremely high, but should be monitored closely.
I agree, your blood pressure isn't that high but you are correct in your assessment that the tren is raising your blood pressure.
I am disappointed in both of you. You are both 100% WRONG.
The AHA has him categorized between stage 1 and stage 2 high.
I don't care if the cuff was the wrong size. Anyone taking BP and receiving those numbers should've been immediately alarmed and taken the time to get the right size and refer him to a physican.
Systolic Diastolic
Normal less than 120 less than 80
Prehypertension 120–139 80–89
High
Stage 1 140–159 90–99
Stage 2 160 or higher 100 or higher
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I am disappointed in both of you. You are both 100% WRONG.
The AHA has him categorized between stage 1 and stage 2 high.
I don't care if the cuff was the wrong size. Anyone taking BP and receiving those numbers should've been immediately alarmed and taken the time to get the right size and refer him to a physican.
Systolic Diastolic
Normal less than 120 less than 80
Prehypertension 120–139 80–89
High
Stage 1 140–159 90–99
Stage 2 160 or higher 100 or higher
Princess L,
I believe you are overreacting, I personally have high blood pressure and all the information I have give is 100% correct from my physician. The numbers that you have put up here are all standard numbers that you can find anywhere on the internet. He should be monitored for 4 weeks having his blood pressure taken 2-3 times a week at different times during the day with the proper size cuff, and yes the cuff does make a difference (I had the same problem with a regular size cuff mine was 165 over 110 and with the proper size cuff it came down to 150 over 100 done a few minutes later) The doctor and the nurse specifically told me this was the case although my pressure was a high. I have also had other heath care professional tell the same thing. Furthermore (at least at this present day) the Systolic number is more important than the Diastolic number, which in the scope of things 130 would be perfectly acceptable. Saying all this I still stress that he should be monitored by a physician, because there is a good chance that it will just get higher and he will have to be medicated.
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Princess L,
I believe you are overreacting,
I don't think so {so I guess we disagree :-\ }
The numbers that you have put up here are all standard numbers that you can find anywhere on the internet.
Maybe so, but that doesn't mean they're incorrect. The info comes from one of my physiology texts.
He should be monitored for 4 weeks having his blood pressure taken 2-3 times a week at different times during the day with the proper size cuff,
agreed
Furthermore (at least at this present day) the Systolic number is more important than the Diastolic number, which in the scope of things 130 would be perfectly acceptable.
Perhaps (although I disagree since it falls into the pre-hypertension category), his is 155 and no one should claim that is acceptable.
The major points I am stressing in this thread are:
#1 His numbers raise a HUGE red flag and NEED to be addressed
#2 Any medical professional who took his BP and received those numbers should have immediately found the correct size cuff, taken it again, etc. and referred him, ESPECIALLY given his age and paternal history.
Who knows ??? maybe it's only a case of white coats syndrome, but better safe than sorry.
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Before you guys jump all over this & over react....
I think Jamie could be on to something regarding cuff size.
I had the same problem.
Here's a link.....it's the same thing I posted on the Hardcore Board:
http://www.plus-size-pregnancy.org/lgbpcuffs.htm#Why%20a%20Large%20Blood%20Pressure%20Cuff%20Is%20Needed
Jamie, have it measured correctly first then tell us what it is.
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I appreciate all the infor, but what about any OTC stuff I can take? Also i'm sure it will go down a good bit when i cycle off the tren.
thanks,
jamie
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stop the tren...and other gear.
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uhm no.. im asking if anyone knows OTC that would help, that was the question.. and i have a dr apt soon.
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:o
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I appreciate all the infor, but what about any OTC stuff I can take? Also i'm sure it will go down a good bit when i cycle off the tren.
thanks,
jamie
As has already been discused in your thread in the gear section, tren by itself does not cause hypertension unless you are already genetically predisposed to it. Since you fall into this category and on top of that from what you have posted it would seem your diet is not on point to combat against this, why on earth are you so hell bent on continuing the tren? It is obvious that you are one of the unlucky ones who can be affected by tren in a negative way, so the smart thing to do is to stop using it...pretty simple really.
Because of these facts, no OTC med is going to help, not while you are still doing things that continually aid the problem. For example, look at it like this: A guy is 20lbs over weight, he starts taking an ECA stack to help burn the fat off but he refuses to exercise or eat a clean healthy diet below his maintenance calorie level. How much weight is this guy going to lose? None, because he hasn't addressed the real problem and hasn't taken the proper steps to fix the problem.
Don't get me wrong Jamie, I'm not telling you that you should never use AAS again or that you should have never tried it, that's up to you, just as all your life's choices are up to you. But now you find yourself with a problem and again you have to make the choices as to what you're going to do about it all by yourself. I hope your smart about the whole thing and choose wisely, other wise you may be in for a world of trouble...the balls in your court bro. Good luck :)
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yup and tren has been blamed for temper problems...and you definately m.eltdown quite frequently so.....
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heres a new one for you ladies... since those are old.
(http://i2.tinypic.com/wwgjgo.jpg)
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those pics are very old ladies... here..
(http://i2.tinypic.com/wwgjgo.jpg)
yeah...here is a pic of me acting like I have some lats.
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no im not even flexing fat ass, stay out of my fucking thread.. princess, get this ass out of here, im askgin for help not some fat ass troll to follow me around.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67359.0;attach=76045;image)
look at that celulite on those arms you fat piece of shit !
we should call your fat ass "cottage cheese boy"
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those are old and thats my ribcage, quit following me like a dog you bitch... look at the new pics... homo
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oh yeah geo, do you work out at all... and do you not live on this board other than washing cars worth less than my watch.. you fag
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no im not even flexing fat ass, stay out of my fucking thread.. princess, get this ass out of here, im askgin for help not some fat ass troll to follow me around.
DUDE...you need to chill out...get off the tren or something....lol...I was just messing with you. You are no doubt a big dude you look pretty good,but damn you get sooo pissed off sooo easy it is just hard to resist... :D.
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has anyone heard of the niacin working?
And on a serious note...I have had high blood preasure in the past,mostly because I used to abuse ephedrine and other stimulants,but anyway,I have tried niacin and it ALWAYS made me flush horribly...maybe it was just the brand,but I tried timed release and it still made me flush and turn bright red and itch like crazy.But like I said at that time I was also taking a lot of ephedrine. Just my two cents on the niacin.
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I'm on Test E and I have High BP Once and awhile my face goes red for no reason and i have a tan which I never got of a salon or the sun itself. Do I worry about this HBP YES of course. I go and just my BP everyday at Shooper-drug mart and Just last week I went and saw my doctor about it; did I inform him on my steriod use no, because personally having a doctor who doesn't know much about steriods in general isn't going to help me more if I tell him I'm on them. Do I see another doctors, yes one more, my wifes doctor who does know I'm on gear, does he care no it isn't his place, I advise him of any new health problem I get thou. I see him thou bi-weekly.
So what I'm trying to say in all that crap is HBP isn't cool, and the only reason I'm still on my cycle is because my BP changes from day-to-day.
For the niacin stop taking it. Niacin isn'ty going to make the HBP go away if anything it might increase it. PLus have you reasearch on niacin and what it does? Maybe then you would realize why it isn't going to fix your HBP problem and may make it worst.
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As has already been discused in your thread in the gear section, tren by itself does not cause hypertension unless you are already genetically predisposed to it. Since you fall into this category and on top of that from what you have posted it would seem your diet is not on point to combat against this, why on earth are you so hell bent on continuing the tren? It is obvious that you are one of the unlucky ones who can be affected by tren in a negative way, so the smart thing to do is to stop using it...pretty simple really.
Because of these facts, no OTC med is going to help, not while you are still doing things that continually aid the problem. For example, look at it like this: A guy is 20lbs over weight, he starts taking an ECA stack to help burn the fat off but he refuses to exercise or eat a clean healthy diet below his maintenance calorie level. How much weight is this guy going to lose? None, because he hasn't addressed the real problem and hasn't taken the proper steps to fix the problem.
Don't get me wrong Jamie, I'm not telling you that you should never use AAS again or that you should have never tried it, that's up to you, just as all your life's choices are up to you. But now you find yourself with a problem and again you have to make the choices as to what you're going to do about it all by yourself. I hope your smart about the whole thing and choose wisely, other wise you may be in for a world of trouble...the balls in your court bro. Good luck :)
actually bro thats an old pic, i'm down to 215, and eating very healthy... Div did say that it causes hypertension, but we all know what an expert he is...
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oh and sorry about being a dick, im just tired of the haters who post no pics, and down on others that do... besides those are all old, you guys would be surprised at my new pics... very lean and ripped. probably dont beleive me though, but i have them.. but i wanna wait another month on my diet to get better before posting them.. besides, i'm a fighter not a BB
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actually bro thats an old pic, i'm down to 215, and eating very healthy... Div did say that it causes hypertension, but we all know what an expert he is...
Bro I've never seen your pics so I don't know what you're talking about.
As for what DIV said, and I repeat, tren does not cause hypertension in most cases unless the individual is predisposed to it...make sense?
As far as DIV being an expert, I don't agree with him 100% of the time, I've never claimed him to be Dan Duchaine reincarnated, but he knows his shit better then most, both from research and his own trial and error...that's worth a lot in my book. I've never seen where he actually gave anyone blatant bad advice.
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I read in the newest issue of mens health, that taking melatonin will lower blood pressure by 10%... Something to do with lowering it during sleep... I'll scan the article and post it.
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I think you should just see your doc and get a script for some good bp meds...and not have to worry about it ever again.
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once you go on bp meds, you can never come off.
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Jamie,
Didn't you say awhile back you had a Dr. appt.?
How did that go?
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Well he said pretty much the same thing as you guys. No drinking, and I dont smoke, so he thinks it will go down more than it has after i'm off the tren.
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Well he said pretty much the same thing as you guys. No drinking, and I dont smoke, so he thinks it will go down more than it has after i'm off the tren.
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the cuff was/is not the issue
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yeah they did have to use a bigger one
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yeah they did have to use a bigger one
My question/point - Your BP is high - regardless - right?
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yeah-- its going down.. im eating a little better, drinking more water. no alcohol at all.
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once you go on bp meds, you can never come off.
someone forgot to tell my doctor that one...I was on bp meds for a little while and then taken off of them.Bp is fine now.
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it wasn't long ago that 140/90 was considered "normal". Yeah, I know that research changes things, but I also know that a lot of "research" is sponsored by the big drug companies. The bp meds are some of the most prescribed in the world, and are cash cows for those companies.
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Jamie...looking at your avatar it is obvious to me that your gyno is out of control.
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it takes a lot of pressure to keep those babies inflated
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it wasn't long ago that 140/90 was considered "normal". Yeah, I know that research changes things, but I also know that a lot of "research" is sponsored by the big drug companies. The bp meds are some of the most prescribed in the world, and are cash cows for those companies.
True, but I think they jumped on the bandwagon after the fact more than anything. We heard a lot about BP and heart disease the last 2-3 years, and making people get those numbers lower has probably helped the (slightly lower) trend in heart disease lately. The drug companies just rode the wave and made some $$$.
The cuff thing can make a huge difference. I had mine tested at 145/85 with a regular cuff, but with a specialty cuff I was fine a couple weeks later at 113/70. After researching I found that:
a regular cuff fits arms up to 15 inches.
an XL cuff fits arms up to 17 inches.
Anything larger will require a specialty cuff that the average Walmart won't carry but you can get from pharmceutical supply companies.
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I got a friend who's a doc, that told me about the drug companies "research". He said he is constantly bombarded by drug company reps with "data" to support their latest and greatest drug.
I am 48 years old, and don't take ANY script meds. I do take 1-81mg aspirin, 1-1000 mg fish oil cap, and 1 multi-vitamin per day. My bp averages about 110/70
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I am 48 years old, and don't take ANY script meds. I do take 1-1000 mg fish oil cap
Increase that to 3-6 caps ;)
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WOW! That much fish oil and I might poop an oil slick! ;D