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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Method101 on December 07, 2021, 08:52:55 AM
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Finally real dosages!
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So intelligent he’s dead. Said he never experienced any side effects….I believe death is a side effect. 🤷♂️
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Finally real dosages!
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I guess the views are down on Leo’s page to drag up this nonsense. Anything for attention and views…..
I mean, was anyone really clamoring to know stupid, unsubstantiated rumors about a bber who’s been dead for years?
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gh15 approved
add some kranch to ur trenbologa sandwiches yitches
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Big Snbt
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I guess the views are down on Leo’s page to drag up this nonsense. Anything for attention and views…..
I mean, was anyone really clamoring to know stupid, unsubstantiated rumors about a bber who’s been dead for years?
Shit channel.
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No wonder he never won the "O". If he had listened to ESF he would have known that 6 grams a week was the "sweet spot".
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Shit channel.
It truly is.
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Shit channel.
100 percent.. dude has zero medical background but just sits there repeating verbatim research papers.
He was on getbig during the GH15 days. he said it on one of his recent videos.
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100 percent.. dude has zero medical background but just sits there repeating verbatim research papers.
He was on getbig during the GH15 days. he said it on one of his recent videos.
He's a fool. He said Ramy is more freaky and impressive than Ronnie
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I guess the views are down on Leo’s page to drag up this nonsense. Anything for attention and views…..
I mean, was anyone really clamoring to know stupid, unsubstantiated rumors about a bber who’s been dead for years?
Leo’s a scumbag 💯.
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Brutal if true
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The one element people leave out of the equation is TRAINING. The early studies on steroids by the AMA concluded that steroids don't work and "in no way enhance athletic performance" or build much muscle. They build some muscle in absence of training but it's not functional. But this was because the studies did not involve weight training.
The "BROS" realized that training and gear are synergistic. It can't be a coincidence that the two hardest, grainiest, densest bodybuilders are generally considered Yates and Coleman. And they TRAINED the hardest(and both paid the price physically). The anabolic hormones will only go to dense, real muscle growth if the TRAINING stimulus is intense enough to necessitate it. You can use insulin and GH and other things to get pure size, but it won't be dense, hard muscle, which is why guys are being called "out of shape" now. It's not they are not dieting hard enough, it's that the actual muscle is not as hard and dense as that created by the synergy of gear and intense training.
So whatever Ronnie was taking at his best is the MAX. Because he's in a wheelchair so it's obvious the joints can't handle more intense training. Other guys like Dillett or even Flex tried to play the size game, but the muscle looked poofy and softer when they got too big, like the guys today. You can't separate the gear from the TRAINING. You can up the dose all you want and get size from satellite cells and hyperplasia and insulin and all that shit, but when it comes to hard, dense muscle Ronnie and Dorian were it.
Whatever THEY took, which no one knows, is the limit of how much shit you can take and have it turn into hard, dense muscle through the anabolics being used for muscle repair and growth. That's the way the body naturally builds muscle, and you can't fool the body. You'll just get sick because the extra drugs will make organs and other shit grow because it's more than is needed for muscle repair and growth. So unless somehow guys could start training harder than Ronnie and Dorian, you can up the dose all you want and it won't matter. The guys are so much bigger today but the lifts aren't going up much in 20 years. Means the muscle is not functional and it shows onstage. ITS THE TRAINING!!!!!!!! Mentzer/Jones were right(until they went insane).
BTW, this is complete bro science by Notomorrow, total fuckin theory and I am not a guru or wanna be "researcher" or whatever the fuck Leo is. That's why my bro shit is in gossip and opinions so don't hate.
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gh15 approved
add some kranch to ur trenbologa sandwiches yitches
What do you reckon the average nationals competitor takes?
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What do you reckon the average nationals competitor takes?
4-5 grams total easy.
I've trained with guys who took more than that.
I remember taking 3g's of Test many years ago. It makes you grow like madness and strength is insane.
I took 10iu per day of GH for over a year and my body changed like you wouldn't believe.
If people actually think these guys are huge because they train "hard" and eat grass fed beef (rinsed of course) with wala wala onions and glutamine. You're retarded.
These Pro's are all on 5g's or more of combined AAS. Easy.
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So intelligent he’s dead. Said he never experienced any side effects….I believe death is a side effect. 🤷♂️
It was a genetic defect.
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Legit kigs
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Leo’s a scumbag 💯.
Ooh - interesting - care to expand on that please..?
I took 10iu per day of GH for over a year and my body changed like you wouldn't believe.
Ooh - also interesting - care to expand on that please..?
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The one element people leave out of the equation is TRAINING. The early studies on steroids by the AMA concluded that steroids don't work and "in no way enhance athletic performance" or build much muscle. They build some muscle in absence of training but it's not functional. But this was because the studies did not involve weight training.
The "BROS" realized that training and gear are synergistic. It can't be a coincidence that the two hardest, grainiest, densest bodybuilders are generally considered Yates and Coleman. And they TRAINED the hardest(and both paid the price physically). The anabolic hormones will only go to dense, real muscle growth if the TRAINING stimulus is intense enough to necessitate it. You can use insulin and GH and other things to get pure size, but it won't be dense, hard muscle, which is why guys are being called "out of shape" now. It's not they are not dieting hard enough, it's that the actual muscle is not as hard and dense as that created by the synergy of gear and intense training.
So whatever Ronnie was taking at his best is the MAX. Because he's in a wheelchair so it's obvious the joints can't handle more intense training. Other guys like Dillett or even Flex tried to play the size game, but the muscle looked poofy and softer when they got too big, like the guys today. You can't separate the gear from the TRAINING. You can up the dose all you want and get size from satellite cells and hyperplasia and insulin and all that shit, but when it comes to hard, dense muscle Ronnie and Dorian were it.
Whatever THEY took, which no one knows, is the limit of how much shit you can take and have it turn into hard, dense muscle through the anabolics being used for muscle repair and growth. That's the way the body naturally builds muscle, and you can't fool the body. You'll just get sick because the extra drugs will make organs and other shit grow because it's more than is needed for muscle repair and growth. So unless somehow guys could start training harder than Ronnie and Dorian, you can up the dose all you want and it won't matter. The guys are so much bigger today but the lifts aren't going up much in 20 years. Means the muscle is not functional and it shows onstage. ITS THE TRAINING!!!!!!!! Mentzer/Jones were right(until they went insane).
BTW, this is complete bro science by Notomorrow, total fuckin theory and I am not a guru or wanna be "researcher" or whatever the fuck Leo is. That's why my bro shit is in gossip and opinions so don't hate.
Funny thing is, thier arms and chest aren't much bigger than the guys from the 70's, but thier delts, legs and WAIST are much bigger.
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The one element people leave out of the equation is TRAINING. The early studies on steroids by the AMA concluded that steroids don't work and "in no way enhance athletic performance" or build much muscle. They build some muscle in absence of training but it's not functional. But this was because the studies did not involve weight training.
The "BROS" realized that training and gear are synergistic. It can't be a coincidence that the two hardest, grainiest, densest bodybuilders are generally considered Yates and Coleman. And they TRAINED the hardest(and both paid the price physically). The anabolic hormones will only go to dense, real muscle growth if the TRAINING stimulus is intense enough to necessitate it. You can use insulin and GH and other things to get pure size, but it won't be dense, hard muscle, which is why guys are being called "out of shape" now. It's not they are not dieting hard enough, it's that the actual muscle is not as hard and dense as that created by the synergy of gear and intense training.
So whatever Ronnie was taking at his best is the MAX. Because he's in a wheelchair so it's obvious the joints can't handle more intense training. Other guys like Dillett or even Flex tried to play the size game, but the muscle looked poofy and softer when they got too big, like the guys today. You can't separate the gear from the TRAINING. You can up the dose all you want and get size from satellite cells and hyperplasia and insulin and all that shit, but when it comes to hard, dense muscle Ronnie and Dorian were it.
Whatever THEY took, which no one knows, is the limit of how much shit you can take and have it turn into hard, dense muscle through the anabolics being used for muscle repair and growth. That's the way the body naturally builds muscle, and you can't fool the body. You'll just get sick because the extra drugs will make organs and other shit grow because it's more than is needed for muscle repair and growth. So unless somehow guys could start training harder than Ronnie and Dorian, you can up the dose all you want and it won't matter. The guys are so much bigger today but the lifts aren't going up much in 20 years. Means the muscle is not functional and it shows onstage. ITS THE TRAINING!!!!!!!! Mentzer/Jones were right(until they went insane).
BTW, this is complete bro science by Notomorrow, total fuckin theory and I am not a guru or wanna be "researcher" or whatever the fuck Leo is. That's why my bro shit is in gossip and opinions so don't hate.
Not true. You can increase lean muscle mass by just taking steroids without training. Of course training and drugs go together. Look at the lean muscle mass on the same kid from 12 to 14. He certainly gains lean muscle mass from puberty. Look at cattle given steroids. They gain muscle.
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Not true. You can increase lean muscle mass by just taking steroids without training. Of course training and drugs go together. Look at the lean muscle mass on the same kid from 12 to 14. He certainly gains lean muscle mass from puberty. Look at cattle given steroids. They gain muscle.
True dat...big fat ass steers
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True dat...big fat ass steers
I know that idiot who was on Leo’s show claiming Milos gave him heart failure.
He was originally trained by jay cutlers weight jockey Eric Dildo.
To turn pro he using 4 grams of test a week alone. Along with synthol.
Someone may or may not have helped him pin the gear.
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Not true. You can increase lean muscle mass by just taking steroids without training. Of course training and drugs go together. Look at the lean muscle mass on the same kid from 12 to 14. He certainly gains lean muscle mass from puberty. Look at cattle given steroids. They gain muscle.
I acknowledged that in my original post. But it is not as much muscle as with training. Which suggests training is the factor that determines the level of muscle growth, NOT the drugs. Give someone 250mg test cyp/week and balls to the wall training and a couch potato 400mg test cyp/week with NO training and see who grows more muscle. Guarantee the 250mg will, given the same genetics. If this holds true, it simply is true, at any dose. It's the TRAINING.
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Yates and Levorne claimed that they ran less than 2 grams to turn pro
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Yates and Levorne claimed that they ran less than 2 grams to turn pro
I know a guy who competed in the 202 Olympia (and placed high) on two 200mgs tren and 200mgs test, he has journals from back then the same as Dorian with his diet training and drug use, they are 15 years old and well thumbed, so unless he wrote them down all those years ago just to pretend he took less to himself I believe him
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I know a guy who competed in the 202 Olympia (and placed high) on two 200mgs tren and 200mgs test, he has journals from back then the same as Dorian with his diet training and drug use, they are 15 years old and well thumbed, so unless he wrote them down all those years ago just to pretend he took less to himself I believe him
I don't.
People can believe the lie for decades if they want to.
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I don't.
People can believe the lie for decades if they want to.
he has no reason to lie and would he really keep two seperate journals one he will hide forever and another to show to people 15 years later?
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Ooh - also interesting - care to expand on that please..?
I got leaner and was able to maintain a low BF % while eating just about anything i wanted. My skin, hair and nails became more vibrant. Had plenty of energy all the time. Slept like a baby every night. My delts and arms seemed to look more 3D after being on it for about 6 months. My abs seemed more "full".
Gained around 25 pounds of lean mass during the 16 months i was on it. Didn't change my AAS protocol much at all, just Test and Eq.
It's hard to explain, but it really makes you look and feel younger. As long as you are not eating a bunch of garbage it will lean you out and make you look "harder".
Add 75mcg of T3 and you can eat cheeseburgers and French fries while staying at 8% BF (like hankypoo).
GH is amazing, but it got too expensive and i gave up my goal for getting huge. Haven't touched it in 8 years.
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I got leaner and was able to maintain a low BF % while eating just about anything i wanted. My skin, hair and nails became more vibrant. Had plenty of energy all the time. Slept like a baby every night. My delts and arms seemed to look more 3D after being on it for about 6 months. My abs seemed more "full".
Gained around 25 pounds of lean mass during the 16 months i was on it. Didn't change my AAS protocol much at all, just Test and Eq.
It's hard to explain, but it really makes you look and feel younger. As long as you are not eating a bunch of garbage it will lean you out and make you look "harder".
Add 75mcg of T3 and you can eat cheeseburgers and French fries while staying at 8% BF (like hankypoo).
GH is amazing, but it got too expensive and i gave up my goal for getting huge. Haven't touched it in 8 years.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=614978.0;attach=686676;image)
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he has no reason to lie and would he really keep two seperate journals one he will hide forever and another to show to people 15 years later?
He has a reason to lie.
To keep people thinking he's special and didn't need to take large amounts of gear like every other human being in the history of BBing.
He's not special.
I don't believe anyone who claims they are genetically superior to the entire planet. I'm not that stupid and understand physiology.
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He has a reason to lie.
To keep people thinking he's special and didn't need to take large amounts of gear like every other human being in the history of BBing.
He's not special.
I don't believe anyone who claims they are genetically superior to the entire planet. I'm not that stupid and understand physiology.
can you explain the tattered old journals?
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can you explain the tattered old journals?
I don't really care.
Believe what you wish.
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I know a guy who competed in the 202 Olympia (and placed high) on two 200mgs tren and 200mgs test, he has journals from back then the same as Dorian with his diet training and drug use, they are 15 years old and well thumbed, so unless he wrote them down all those years ago just to pretend he took less to himself I believe him
If it’s who I think it is,he’s a notorious liar who likes to make out he’s some sort of genetic wonder.
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He has a reason to lie.
To keep people thinking he's special and didn't need to take large amounts of gear like every other human being in the history of BBing.
He's not special.
I don't believe anyone who claims they are genetically superior to the entire planet. I'm not that stupid and understand physiology.
C'mon Overload- you normally aren't this cynical ;D
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C'mon Overload- you normally aren't this cynical ;D
Me?
Cynical?
;D
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I got leaner and was able to maintain a low BF % while eating just about anything i wanted. My skin, hair and nails became more vibrant. Had plenty of energy all the time. Slept like a baby every night. My delts and arms seemed to look more 3D after being on it for about 6 months. My abs seemed more "full".
Gained around 25 pounds of lean mass during the 16 months i was on it. Didn't change my AAS protocol much at all, just Test and Eq.
It's hard to explain, but it really makes you look and feel younger. As long as you are not eating a bunch of garbage it will lean you out and make you look "harder".
Add 75mcg of T3 and you can eat cheeseburgers and French fries while staying at 8% BF (like hankypoo).
GH is amazing, but it got too expensive and i gave up my goal for getting huge. Haven't touched it in 8 years.
Thanks for that - when you stopped the GH did you stop everything, or just that and stay on the gear?
I'm just wondering how quickly those great benefits begin to fade away. For example, I presume you had to watch your diet more closely again once the magic wore off?
I only knew of 2 or 3 people taking it way back when I was doing stuff. I don't remember the doses but I'm guessing they were very small compared to nowadays, and more or less just to hold onto muscle while on a starvation diet (we'd read that insane Mentzer diet where he was only eating half a pear and a gimlet of vodka a day or some shit like that!) LOL shame nobody told us about the cheeseburgers ;D
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Yates and Levorne claimed that they ran less than 2 grams to turn pro
Haha Levrone is known to lie. He lies about his height, his weight, even his age, he can’t seem to remember how old he is during his competitive years, you think he’ll be honest about drugs??
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Thanks for that - when you stopped the GH did you stop everything, or just that and stay on the gear?
I'm just wondering how quickly those great benefits begin to fade away. For example, I presume you had to watch your diet more closely again once the magic wore off?
I only knew of 2 or 3 people taking it way back when I was doing stuff. I don't remember the doses but I'm guessing they were very small compared to nowadays, and more or less just to hold onto muscle while on a starvation diet (we'd read that insane Mentzer diet where he was only eating half a pear and a gimlet of vodka a day or some shit like that!) LOL shame nobody told us about the cheeseburgers ;D
After almost 18 months I tapered down to 4iu (2 iu twice a day) for a few months and then stopped taking GH completely. My job changed and i had to travel a lot for work which makes taking GH almost impossible.
The thing is i did follow a strict diet most of the time, but i remember when i was bulking for 4 months i ate everything in sight and didn't gain any fat at all, it was amazing. But i generally follow a strict diet 8 months out of the year, more for health than to stay lean.
But i did notice after i had been off the GH completely for about 2-3 months i looked softer and gained an inch on my waist. Pants felt tighter and the mirror never lies. I lost 5 pounds or so and gained bodyfat, so there is really no telling how much of the gains i kept.
The AAS came down a little as well, but i believe i was still on about a gram of AAS. Still training hard, just backed it down a bit because i realized this size game is stupid and not for me. Spending nearly a grand on GH per month was very stupid, but i had the money so it was an interesting experiment.
IMO it works like this:
1-4iu = anti-aging / wellness / mild fat loss
4-8iu = good fat loss and mild muscle gain
8-12iu = insane fat loss and muscle gain, very hard to gain fat
12+ you will blow the fuck up (from within) gh15 approved
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4-5 grams total easy.
I've trained with guys who took more than that.
I remember taking 3g's of Test many years ago. It makes you grow like madness and strength is insane.
I took 10iu per day of GH for over a year and my body changed like you wouldn't believe.
If people actually think these guys are huge because they train "hard" and eat grass fed beef (rinsed of course) with wala wala onions and glutamine. You're retarded.
These Pro's are all on 5g's or more of combined AAS. Easy.
There’s truth to this, I recall a handful of Dallas bbers here, and remember them saying casually about 3+ grams, was just curious how it was among guys who are honest
And I’m talking no bs “modern” bbers
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There’s truth to this, I recall a handful of Dallas bbers here, and remember them saying casually about 3+ grams, was just curious how it was among guys who are honest
And I’m talking no bs “modern” bbers
Nobody knows for sure except the person using the drugs.
That's why i don't take most people seriously when they say they use 400mg of Test a week and some Deca/Winny.
I lived this shit for 20 years.
Trained with world class power lifters and high level BBer's from 1998 to 2014. I knew these guys well and most of them were very honest about their drugs. Plus we all had the same source so it was pretty open about what we purchased.
Most guys fall into the 2-3g's range. But a bunch of guys go well over 5g's. My buddy Nick from NY used to train at Bev's and knew a lot of high level Pro's. Some of them admitted to using up to 8g's of AAS in the offseason.
People can believe what they wish.
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Nobody knows for sure except the person using the drugs.
That's why i don't take most people seriously when they say they use 400mg of Test a week and some Deca/Winny.
I lived this shit for 20 years.
Trained with world class power lifters and high level BBer's from 1998 to 2014. I knew these guys well and most of them were very honest about their drugs. Plus we all had the same source so it was pretty open about what we purchased.
Most guys fall into the 2-3g's range. But a bunch of guys go well over 5g's. My buddy Nick from NY used to train at Bev's and knew a lot of high level Pro's. (http://Some of them admitted to using up to 8g's of AAS in the offseason.)
People can believe what they wish.
Shaun Davies admitted to a gram a day
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After almost 18 months I tapered down to 4iu (2 iu twice a day) for a few months and then stopped taking GH completely. My job changed and i had to travel a lot for work which makes taking GH almost impossible.
The thing is i did follow a strict diet most of the time, but i remember when i was bulking for 4 months i ate everything in sight and didn't gain any fat at all, it was amazing. But i generally follow a strict diet 8 months out of the year, more for health than to stay lean.
But i did notice after i had been off the GH completely for about 2-3 months i looked softer and gained an inch on my waist. Pants felt tighter and the mirror never lies. I lost 5 pounds or so and gained bodyfat, so there is really no telling how much of the gains i kept.
The AAS came down a little as well, but i believe i was still on about a gram of AAS. Still training hard, just backed it down a bit because i realized this size game is stupid and not for me. Spending nearly a grand on GH per month was very stupid, but i had the money so it was an interesting experiment.
IMO it works like this:
1-4iu = anti-aging / wellness / mild fat loss
4-8iu = good fat loss and mild muscle gain
8-12iu = insane fat loss and muscle gain, very hard to gain fat
12+ you will blow the fuck up (from within) gh15 approved
Very interesting. Hanks for sharing -- pun intended ;)
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Very interesting. Hanks for sharing -- pun intended ;)
Id pass on GH even if it was free. Not taking anything that promotes cancer.
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Id pass on GH even if it was free. Not taking anything that promotes cancer.
Fair point, that.
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Nobody knows for sure except the person using the drugs.
That's why i don't take most people seriously when they say they use 400mg of Test a week and some Deca/Winny.
I lived this shit for 20 years.
Trained with world class power lifters and high level BBer's from 1998 to 2014. I knew these guys well and most of them were very honest about their drugs. Plus we all had the same source so it was pretty open about what we purchased.
Most guys fall into the 2-3g's range. But a bunch of guys go well over 5g's. My buddy Nick from NY used to train at Bev's and knew a lot of high level Pro's. Some of them admitted to using up to 8g's of AAS in the offseason.
People can believe what they wish.
When you say "most guys" do you mean gym rats? Or were these competing bodybuilders and powerlifters?
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When you say "most guys" do you mean gym rats? Or were these competing bodybuilders and powerlifters?
Most of the competitive power lifters and BBer's i knew.
Guys who lived the lifestyle.
I'm sure there are gym rats who go that high, you never really know.
Today i tell people to never go over a gram of combined AAS, there is no reason to hurt yourself.
BBing to me today is a fraud. It's built on lies and deception. I would never recommend anyone get into the competitive side of it.
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Shit channel.
For entertainment purposes only.
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After almost 18 months I tapered down to 4iu (2 iu twice a day) for a few months and then stopped taking GH completely. My job changed and i had to travel a lot for work which makes taking GH almost impossible.
The thing is i did follow a strict diet most of the time, but i remember when i was bulking for 4 months i ate everything in sight and didn't gain any fat at all, it was amazing. But i generally follow a strict diet 8 months out of the year, more for health than to stay lean.
But i did notice after i had been off the GH completely for about 2-3 months i looked softer and gained an inch on my waist. Pants felt tighter and the mirror never lies. I lost 5 pounds or so and gained bodyfat, so there is really no telling how much of the gains i kept.
The AAS came down a little as well, but i believe i was still on about a gram of AAS. Still training hard, just backed it down a bit because i realized this size game is stupid and not for me. Spending nearly a grand on GH per month was very stupid, but i had the money so it was an interesting experiment.
IMO it works like this:
1-4iu = anti-aging / wellness / mild fat loss
4-8iu = good fat loss and mild muscle gain
8-12iu = insane fat loss and muscle gain, very hard to gain fat
12+ you will blow the fuck up (from within) gh15 approved
Super interesting again - thanks for taking the time to lay this out for me. At the risk of being a Columbo, just one last thing please then I'll leave you alone ;D
Was insulin involved with the whole 'eat whatever you want without getting fat' thing, or was it just the GH?
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Shaun Davies admitted to a gram a day
Bumped into Shaun once in Wolverhampton town centre when he would have been in his prime. He was wearing one of those really cut down string Golds vests, and he was mind-blowing. But the thing that really stood out for me was that he was positively furry! I've seen this with some of the heavy dose guys - the shoulders and even the inner forearms just go Mexican Wolf Child ;D
Might be wrong, but I think Illuminati mentioned he knew Dino? So perhaps you do too? I was wondering how he was getting on health wise, as it was a bit touch and go at one point but then he got a lot better (I'm off for a quick Google)
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Super interesting again - thanks for taking the time to lay this out for me. At the risk of being a Columbo, just one last thing please then I'll leave you alone ;D
Was insulin involved with the whole 'eat whatever you want without getting fat' thing, or was it just the GH?
Nope, i didn't use Slin at the time.
I never really liked using it, made me feel really sluggish.
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The one element people leave out of the equation is TRAINING. The early studies on steroids by the AMA concluded that steroids don't work and "in no way enhance athletic performance" or build much muscle. They build some muscle in absence of training but it's not functional. But this was because the studies did not involve weight training.
The "BROS" realized that training and gear are synergistic. It can't be a coincidence that the two hardest, grainiest, densest bodybuilders are generally considered Yates and Coleman. And they TRAINED the hardest(and both paid the price physically). The anabolic hormones will only go to dense, real muscle growth if the TRAINING stimulus is intense enough to necessitate it. You can use insulin and GH and other things to get pure size, but it won't be dense, hard muscle, which is why guys are being called "out of shape" now. It's not they are not dieting hard enough, it's that the actual muscle is not as hard and dense as that created by the synergy of gear and intense training.
So whatever Ronnie was taking at his best is the MAX. Because he's in a wheelchair so it's obvious the joints can't handle more intense training. Other guys like Dillett or even Flex tried to play the size game, but the muscle looked poofy and softer when they got too big, like the guys today. You can't separate the gear from the TRAINING. You can up the dose all you want and get size from satellite cells and hyperplasia and insulin and all that shit, but when it comes to hard, dense muscle Ronnie and Dorian were it.
Whatever THEY took, which no one knows, is the limit of how much shit you can take and have it turn into hard, dense muscle through the anabolics being used for muscle repair and growth. That's the way the body naturally builds muscle, and you can't fool the body. You'll just get sick because the extra drugs will make organs and other shit grow because it's more than is needed for muscle repair and growth. So unless somehow guys could start training harder than Ronnie and Dorian, you can up the dose all you want and it won't matter. The guys are so much bigger today but the lifts aren't going up much in 20 years. Means the muscle is not functional and it shows onstage. ITS THE TRAINING!!!!!!!! Mentzer/Jones were right(until they went insane).
BTW, this is complete bro science by Notomorrow, total fuckin theory and I am not a guru or wanna be "researcher" or whatever the fuck Leo is. That's why my bro shit is in gossip and opinions so don't hate.
You can always tell a physique built on drugs and not on time put in.