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Very well put together video by John Little on Mike Mentzers complete bodybuilding career
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Thanks for posting this but Mentzer was the most overrated bodybuilder ever.
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Thanks for posting this but Mentzer was the most overrated bodybuilder ever.
you may say that because of how much more attention he got for being more intelligent.
But it's undeniable he was one of the best in the 70's, and the best in the 1980 Mr. O which was rigged by Arnold.
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Thanks for posting this but Mentzer was the most overrated bodybuilder ever.
what an idiotic statement
the dude was a top tier bodybuilder for all of his career and he stopped competing when he was only 27 or 28
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you may say that because of how much more attention he got for being more intelligent.
But it's undeniable he was one of the best in the 70's, and the best in the 1980 Mr. O which was rigged by Arnold.
He was not nearly as intelligent as he thought he was. He had a great run for a couple years as an amateur and had 1 good Olympia placing at #1 in his weight class before losing the overall to Zane. Then '80 came and he had his meltdown. He was not the best in '80. Not even close.
He only won 1 or 2 pro contests in his whole career and this is why he was overrated. By listening to his fanboys you would think he was one of, if not THE greatest ever.
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Brutal if true
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Mentzer was clever and thoughtful but his theories were not that practical.
Physique wise he was outstanding.
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Thanks for posting this but Mentzer was the most overrated bodybuilder ever.
The impact he had on bodybuilding was undeniable...... he was respected within the bodybuilding community and many people (40 years ago) thought he was the best built man in the world right when he decided to walk away from the 'sport" because he didn't believe in the Weider's politics .
Bob Chick was way more ovarrated than Mentzer.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
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The impact he had on bodybuilding was undeniable...... he was respected within the bodybuilding community and many people (40 years ago) thought he was the best built man in the world right when he decided to walk away from the 'sport" because he didn't believe in the Weider's politics .
Bob Chick was way more ovarrated than Mentzer.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H
He was insane, not respected by anyone but his fanboys. His training theories were/are provably wrong and has caused many years of wasted effort. He was never the best built man in the world and got a gift of 5th place at the '80 Olympia. He was not even close to the best except in his own mind. After losing he lost his shit and quit forever from competition. The last 20 years of his life he looked completely untrained.
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He was insane, not respected by anyone but his fanboys. His training theories were/are provably wrong and has caused many years of wasted effort. He was never the best built man in the world and got a gift of 5th place at the '80 Olympia. He was not even close to the best except in his own mind. After losing he lost his shit and quit forever from competition. The last 20 years of his life he looked completely untrained.
and yet we are still talking about him. Face it, he made his mark.
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and yet we are still talking about him. Face it, he made his mark.
Not for any good reason.
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I tried High Intensity in (I think) '77 and '78? It did not work for me but on others I knew that took steroids it worked great! I think Mentzer was fairly intelligent but once he started down the Path of The Methsiah, he lost the ability to reason and ultimately all credibility. He took his theory of training to the ultimate end where it made sense on paper but in the real world that paper was worthless.
His world fell apart. He lost his fiance, Cathy Gelfo, his business and finally his life. The footage behind the scenes of his final Heavy Duty training with that weirdo Markus Reinhardt and Mike's lethargically out of his mind brother, Ray revealed the truth of that old PSA, "This is your mind...This is your mind on drugs". Yup. It was TRUE.
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I tried High Intensity in (I think) '77 and '78? It did not work for me but on others I knew that took steroids it worked great! I think Mentzer was fairly intelligent but once he started down the Path of The Methsiah, he lost the ability to reason and ultimately all credibility. He took his theory of training to the ultimate end where it made sense on paper but in the real world that paper was worthless.
His world fell apart. He lost his fiance, Cathy Gelfo, his business and finally his life. The footage behind the scenes of his final Heavy Duty training with that weirdo Markus Reinhardt and Mike's lethargically out of his mind brother, Ray revealed the truth of that old PSA, "This is your mind...This is your mind on drugs". Yup. It was TRUE.
;D
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I tried High Intensity in (I think) '77 and '78? It did not work for me but on others I knew that took steroids it worked great! I think Mentzer was fairly intelligent but once he started down the Path of The Methsiah, he lost the ability to reason and ultimately all credibility. He took his theory of training to the ultimate end where it made sense on paper but in the real world that paper was worthless.
His world fell apart. He lost his fiance, Cathy Gelfo, his business and finally his life. The footage behind the scenes of his final Heavy Duty training with that weirdo Markus Reinhardt and Mike's lethargically out of his mind brother, Ray revealed the truth of that old PSA, "This is your mind...This is your mind on drugs". Yup. It was TRUE.
Mentzer was correct in with many of his ideas, based on what research in sport physiology is now telling us. But there is a limit to how much intense exercise the body can absorb. That, most likely, is why steroid users got more benefit- they have the recovery capacity. But for natural athletes, a few brief efforts do work.
If I want to improve my sprint in cycling, I do about 5-6 sprints in one session, 1 day a week. This effort is very similar to doing a 6-10 rep squat in duration. The sprints are done at a little less than all out. When I first started doing them I used to go as hard as I could and I used to do them twice a week. But after examining my power records over time I found I made the greatest power improvement backing off the throttle a little and adding in more rest days. By doing this I recorded a 60% increase in 10 second power over 3 months. That was amazing to me.
Mentzer started having personal issues after his last Olympia- that's obvious. It seems it was all downhill after that.
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Mentzer was correct in with many of his ideas, based on what research in sport physiology is now telling us. But there is a limit to how much intense exercise the body can absorb. That, most likely, is why steroid users got more benefit- they have the recovery capacity. But for natural athletes, a few brief efforts do work.
If I want to improve my sprint in cycling, I do about 5-6 sprints in one session, 1 day a week. This effort is very similar to doing a 6-10 rep squat in duration. The sprints are done at a little less than all out. When I first started doing them I used to go as hard as I could and I used to do them twice a week. But after examining my power records over time I found I made the greatest power improvement backing off the throttle a little and adding in more rest days. By doing this I recorded a 60% increase in 10 second power over 3 months. That was amazing to me.
Mentzer started having personal issues after his last Olympia- that's obvious. It seems it was all downhill after that.
Which studies in sports physiology tell us Mentzer's ideas were correct? No one that I know of in the field train their athletes this way.
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I remember seeing a vid of Mike in his later years smoking a cig and taking a break, the guy he was training says to him “I paid you to train me not sit around and bs” something along those lines hahaha
Brutal
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Which studies in sports physiology tell us Mentzer's ideas were correct? No one that I know of in the field train their athletes this way.
lol - I really think you are trolling now.
As far back as Roger Bannister setting the mile were people investigating the effect of short and infrequent intervals, aka HIIT. When I was in college studying chemistry I started reading Astrand and Rodahl's Textbook of Work Physiology where they showed conclusively the resounding benefit of short intervals on fitness. That book was published in 1970. here is a link if you want to read it: https://www.mewsie.org/textbook/textbook-of-work-physiology/ (https://www.mewsie.org/textbook/textbook-of-work-physiology/)
Why don't we start with something very recent - Martin Gibala's seminal research on extremely brief and infrequent workouts:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22289907/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22289907/)
https://highintensitybusiness.com/martin-gibala-phd-hit-vs-hiit-part-2-190/ (https://highintensitybusiness.com/martin-gibala-phd-hit-vs-hiit-part-2-190/)
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lol - I really think you are trolling now.
As far back as Roger Bannister setting the mile were people investigating the effect of short and infrequent intervals, aka HIIT. When I was in college studying chemistry I started reading Astrand and Rodahl's Textbook of Work Physiology where they showed conclusively the resounding benefit of short intervals on fitness. That book was published in 1970. here is a link if you want to read it: https://www.mewsie.org/textbook/textbook-of-work-physiology/ (https://www.mewsie.org/textbook/textbook-of-work-physiology/)
Why don't we start with something very recent - Martin Gibala's seminal research on extremely brief and infrequent workouts:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22289907/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22289907/)
https://highintensitybusiness.com/martin-gibala-phd-hit-vs-hiit-part-2-190/ (https://highintensitybusiness.com/martin-gibala-phd-hit-vs-hiit-part-2-190/)
What? Roger Bannister was a distance runner. No NFL or Div 1 football team uses HIT to train their athletes. Oh, I forgot, the 1973 Army team used it for 1 or 2 years. ::)
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I remember seeing a video of Mike in his later years smoking a cig and taking a break, the guy he was training says to him “I paid you to train me not sit around and bs” something along those lines hahaha
Brutal
The Mentzers had an extremely defeatist attitude. These are the last people anyone needs advice from.
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you may say that because of how much more attention he got for being more intelligent.
But it's undeniable he was one of the best in the 70's, and the best in the 1980 Mr. O which was rigged by Arnold.
He had a good physique & a few very good body parts .
Yes he was quite articulate & good at presenting his "Theories" - More intelligent than who ???
He was a Rec drug addict & went mad.
He most certainly didnt have the best physique at the 1980 Olympia - And as for Arnold rigging the contest ::)
Really !!!
Notice I haven't said who was the best that day. I wasn't a judge & Very likely Neither were You.
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What? Roger Bannister was a distance runner. No NFL or Div 1 football team uses HIT to train their athletes. Oh, I forgot, the 1973 Army team used it for 1 or 2 years. ::)
You made that up, lol. It took me all of 5 seconds to find out the Houston Texans Strength and Training Manual. They sure as shit do HIT - both in their running and weight training. They leave it up to the athlete to find out what works for them. Read it yourself: http://tomhayden3.com/data/texans_fitness.pdf (http://tomhayden3.com/data/texans_fitness.pdf)
"How Many Sets? In the past we assumed that the number of sets you performed determined whether or not you produced the best results. Through experience we’ve learned it’s not how many sets you perform. The key is how you perform each set. You can gain strength completing one set or ten sets. It’s also possible to gain no strength regardless of how many sets you perform. During the season most athletes barely have enough energy to recover from game to game. Your goal must be to perform as few sets as possible while stimulating maximum gains. It must be a priority to eliminate non-productive exercise. Once you have warmed up, why perform a set that is not designed to increase or maintain your current level of strength. Multiple Sets For those athletes that want to perform more than one set the same rules apply. "
Roger Bannister was the first miler ever to use short interval training to achieve a world record. At a time when people were training for hours he limited his workouts to a 30 min a day routine and doing hard intervals twice a week. That's it.
The connection between interval endurance training and strength training is undisputable- they both cause mitochondrial changes. So what works for one works for the other: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25539479/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25539479/)
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I knew his brother Ray. We used to have breakfast together at Rocky Cola Cafe in Hermosa Beach. We spoke a lot. HIT was BS as described. Ray and his brother trained like everyone else. Multiple warm up sets increasing weight each set and then one all out last set. The thing that they did different was more rest days. Training like every other day. They both had great genetics for building muscle. Add some great anabolic's and bam... Ray was one of the strongest guys I ever knew outside of Rory Leidelmeyer. Ray owned a gym in Redondo Beach called Muscle Mill.
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I met and spoke with Mike in 1994 at Gold’s Venice.
Guy was fried and completely detached from reality.
Essentially, a chain-smoking psycho who looked worse than shit.
Looked terrified to stand with me in a photo. After it was taken, he almost ran away out into the parking lot and then disappeared.
Everyone at the front counter, a few big names amongst the group, shook their heads and were laughing. A few were telling me how absolutely mental the guy was.
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I knew his brother Ray. We used to have breakfast together at Rocky Cola Cafe in Hermosa Beach. We spoke a lot. HIT was BS as described. Ray and his brother trained like everyone else. Multiple warm up sets increasing weight each set and then one all out last set. The thing that they did different was more rest days. Training like every other day. They both had great genetics for building muscle. Add some great anabolic's and bam... Ray was one of the strongest guys I ever knew outside of Rory Leidelmeyer. Ray owned a gym in Redondo Beach called Muscle Mill.
Mentzer at age 15/16 had some damn good size.
I have a nephew who is 16, trains pretty hard, eats great, good natty supplemnts, he looks nothing like mentzer at the same age.
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In my opinion Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank Zane...smarter, too.
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great arms, looked good in a few poses, shit back.
his physique had a powerful 'rugged' 'herculean' quality to it - good insertions.
dude could have maintained a solid look well into older age if he hadn't flamed out
picture of health here
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/27/c9/b3/27c9b398eb946e8122e1c1f820b7e6bb--fitness-bodybuilding-mike-dantoni.jpg)
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In my opinion Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank Zane...smarter, too.
No offence but Frank Zane had a way better complete physique than Mike Mentzer. In fact Ray his brother was way better than Mike. But I will say this in MHO. Frank was ok but Serge Nubret should have been a Mr. Olympia.
He had it all. At that time.....
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No offence but Frank Zane had a way better complete physique than Mike Mentzer. In fact Ray his brother was way better than Mike. But I will say this in MHO. Frank was ok but Serge Nubret should have been a Mr. Olympia.
He had it all. At that time.....
Yes, we are all experts in contest judging when we get 16 inch arms. That much is certain.
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Yes, we are all experts in contest judging when we get 16 inch arms. That much is certain.
Not sure WTF that means. But I am not judging anyone just stating an opinion. But, as usually, you have to come back with a stupid statement.
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Not sure WTF that means. But I am not judging anyone just stating an opinion. But, as usually, you have to come back with a stupid statement.
Forgive him. His breezeway is being remodeled and he can't gawk into the guest room and stroke his wrinkled cock at the moment. Makes him ornery.
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Forgive him. His breezeway is being remodeled and he can't gawk into the guest room and stroke his wrinkled cock at the moment. Makes him ornery.
Thank you. I see his posts all the time and finally realised that he is a sad old man relieving his past through this website. When I post, which is infrequent, it is always based on my life experiences with many of these BBs from my time frame in Santa Monica, CA. I will only post what I have first hand knowledge of.
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Thank you. I see his posts all the time and finally realised that he is a sad old man relieving his past through this website. When I post, which is infrequent, it is always based on my life experiences with many of these BBs from my time frame in Santa Monica, CA. I will only post what I have first hand knowledge of.
AbrahamG is obsessed with vulgar fantasies. Ray stayed with us for over a year in 87-88. I stayed at his place in 1991 in April. I spoke with Mike at Golds Gym after Ray arranged the meeting.
I said Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank. Bigger more impressive muscles. Contest victories are not that important.
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Not sure WTF that means. But I am not judging anyone just stating an opinion. But, as usually, you have to come back with a stupid statement.
Lmfao
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AbrahamG is obsessed with vulgar fantasies. Ray stayed with us for over a year in 87-88. I stayed at his place in 1991 in April. I spoke with Mike at Golds Gym after Ray arranged the meeting.
I said Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank. Bigger more impressive muscles. Contest victories are not that important.
Contest victories are literally all that's important for a professional bodybuilder. What other standard would anyone use?
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You made that up, lol. It took me all of 5 seconds to find out the Houston Texans Strength and Training Manual. They sure as shit do HIT - both in their running and weight training. They leave it up to the athlete to find out what works for them. Read it yourself: http://tomhayden3.com/data/texans_fitness.pdf (http://tomhayden3.com/data/texans_fitness.pdf)
"How Many Sets? In the past we assumed that the number of sets you performed determined whether or not you produced the best results. Through experience we’ve learned it’s not how many sets you perform. The key is how you perform each set. You can gain strength completing one set or ten sets. It’s also possible to gain no strength regardless of how many sets you perform. During the season most athletes barely have enough energy to recover from game to game. Your goal must be to perform as few sets as possible while stimulating maximum gains. It must be a priority to eliminate non-productive exercise. Once you have warmed up, why perform a set that is not designed to increase or maintain your current level of strength. Multiple Sets For those athletes that want to perform more than one set the same rules apply. "
Roger Bannister was the first miler ever to use short interval training to achieve a world record. At a time when people were training for hours he limited his workouts to a 30 min a day routine and doing hard intervals twice a week. That's it.
The connection between interval endurance training and strength training is undisputable- they both cause mitochondrial changes. So what works for one works for the other: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25539479/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25539479/)
You need to actually read the pdf you posted instead of highlighting 1 or 2 sentences. In no way do the Texans train like Mentzer advocated.
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Well, if the Houston Texans training program is at all responsible for their lack of success... :-X
The dietary guidelines recommended are way out of date. 60% carbs? Awful.
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The only thing "genetically superior" about any bodybuilder is quite possibly their muscle belly length/insertions. Some here tout "genetic" response to steroids. Everyone responds to steroids. They flat out work on anybody. If they didn't there wouldn't be such a fiercely fucked up fap-happy schmoe and tell industry.
99.999% of every top bodybuilder since the full acceptance of steroids has been on steroids. To a degree, steroids even affect your mind. My friends that took them told me that they experienced a euphoria unlike anything else. The physical power alone made them feel god (small "g") like. Coming off was very difficult and involved, among other things, accepting that the truth is, without the drugs you weren't exactly ein Übermensch. Shit...you weren't even Vince B., who in all honesty did have an excellent physique, especially so for an apparently natural trainer.
There used to be an online copy of write up of an interview with Mike wherein during a seminar he was asked if he ever took steroids. His answer, "Yes!' Tons of 'em!"
I saw Mike, Ray and Casey train one day at the original Gold's. Wow. They trained as they had written about in the magazines. Hard, heavy and fast with very little rest between the three of them. Were they genetically superior beings? Looking at the behind the scenes video of Mike and Ray years later, I wouldn't say "no", I would say "Fuck NO!'. ;D
I asked Robbie Robinson about drugs once when in Gold's and his answer was (paraphrased) "Peole think this body comes out of a pill. Well...It also comes out of a syringe!" ;D In other words, they knew but Weider was all about pushing the genetics thing for his "champions". After "Pumping Iron" everybody knew the difference between regular bodybuilders and the "champions" was steroids. Steroids made a difference. Not genetics and no one had yet tried the now ubiquitous "genetic response to steroids" line. In the mid 80s on up to now, more drugs is the difference. Now these idiots like to say that what makes a champion is their genetic ability to "survive" the drugs.
Dumb luck is all it is and dumb luck runs out just like "regular" luck. In closing, Mike Mentzer was a fantastic bodybuilder that fucked up by mixing amphetamines with life. His brother Ray was dumb as a box of cocks. That sad asspuppet sitting in a chair across from his chain smoking brother Mike, talking about how he wants to do "video with lines on the shirts to show the movement, cuz I've been studying that shit for years"... Says it all.
Train. Just train. It ain't rocket science because if it were, nobody that's a bodybuilder would take it up, LOL! Especially me. ;D
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The only thing "genetically superior" about any bodybuilder is quite possibly their muscle belly length/insertions. Some here tout "genetic" response to steroids. Everyone responds to steroids. They flat out work on anybody. If they didn't there wouldn't be such a fiercely fucked up fap-happy schmoe and tell industry.
99.999% of every top bodybuilder since the full acceptance of steroids has been on steroids. To a degree, steroids even affect your mind. My friends that took them told me that they experienced a euphoria unlike anything else. The physical power alone made them feel god (small "g") like. Coming off was very difficult and involved, among other things, accepting that the truth is, without the drugs you weren't exactly ein Übermensch. Shit...you weren't even Vince B., who in all honesty did have an excellent physique, especially so for an apparently natural trainer.
There used to be an online copy of write up of an interview with Mike wherein during a seminar he was asked if he ever took steroids. His answer, "Yes!' Tons of 'em!"
I saw Mike, Ray and Casey train one day at the original Gold's. Wow. They trained as they had written about in the magazines. Hard, heavy and fast with very little rest between the three of them. Were they genetically superior beings? Looking at the behind the scenes video of Mike and Ray years later, I wouldn't say "no", I would say "Fuck NO!'. ;D
I asked Robbie Robinson about drugs once when in Gold's and his answer was (paraphrased) "Peole think this body comes out of a pill. Well...It also comes out of a syringe!" ;D In other words, they knew but Weider was all about pushing the genetics thing for his "champions". After "Pumping Iron" everybody knew the difference between regular bodybuilders and the "champions" was steroids. Steroids made a difference. Not genetics and no one had yet tried the now ubiquitous "genetic response to steroids" line. In the mid 80s on up to now, more drugs is the difference. Now these idiots like to say that what makes a champion is their genetic ability to "survive" the drugs.
Dumb luck is all it is and dumb luck runs out just like "regular" luck. In closing, Mike Mentzer was a fantastic bodybuilder that fucked up by mixing amphetamines with life. His brother Ray was dumb as a box of cocks. That sad asspuppet sitting in a chair across from his chain smoking brother Mike, talking about how he wants to do "video with lines on the shirts to show the movement, cuz I've been studying that shit for years"... Says it all.
Train. Just train. It ain't rocket science because if it were, nobody that's a bodybuilder would take it up, LOL! Especially me. ;D
Do you really think muscle length is the sole genetic aspect in bodybuilding?
What about joint size, shoulder width, waist and hip size, muscle shape, muscle cell distribution, some people have thin skin which can not only explained with leanness.
Do you really think Robby Robinson looked ordinary without drugs? He has amazing taper, amazing shape and lean year around. I don't even mention his crazy muscle bellies and tiny joints.
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He was insane, not respected by anyone but his fanboys. His training theories were/are provably wrong and has caused many years of wasted effort. He was never the best built man in the world and got a gift of 5th place at the '80 Olympia. He was not even close to the best except in his own mind. After losing he lost his shit and quit forever from competition. The last 20 years of his life he looked completely untrained.
He looked untrained because he didn't train. Why would you keep doing something you lost interest in pursuing. I know I don't. But yes the rec drugs was unfortunate. He did them for a reason, to be more productive. About the smoking idk. They didn't know how bad it was for you back then I think. John Little actually just posted another great video explaining how and why Mentzers life took a bad turn.
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In my opinion Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank Zane...smarter, too.
Agreed
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Do you really think muscle length is the sole genetic aspect in bodybuilding?
What about joint size, shoulder width, waist and hip size, muscle shape, muscle cell distribution, some people have thin skin which can not only explained with leanness.
Do you really think Robby Robinson looked ordinary without drugs? He has amazing taper, amazing shape and lean year around. I don't even mention his crazy muscle bellies and tiny joints.
Do you really think I want to list everything here that may or may not be genetically advantageous or disadvantageous? Yes, sans drugs Robinson is a small man. Over the last few decades bodybuilding has become entirely drug based/biased. That last statement is all the truth that needs saying. If you feel otherwise it is because you "feel", not think. Drugs make the manlet into a man and ultimately if they choose to compete, the champion.
An schmoes. Schmoes have a say in who succeeds. "Because if at first you don't succeed, keep suckin' until you do suck seed." - Jerome "Curly" Howard ;D
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He looked untrained because he didn't train. Why would you keep doing something you lost interest in pursuing. I know I don't. But yes the rec drugs was unfortunate. He did them for a reason, to be more productive. About the smoking idk. They didn't know how bad it was for you back then I think. John Little actually just posted another great video explaining how and why Mentzers life took a bad turn.
That was quite interesting. Not at all intredasting. Mike Mentzer was a man of above average intellect and a physique to match.
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In my opinion Mike was a better bodybuilder than Frank Zane...smarter, too.
Yes running through the streets naked while high as a kite on drugs has always been a sign of great intellect
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Yes running through the streets naked while high as a kite on drugs has always been a sign of great intellect
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Ah yes...the great Vincent Van Schmoe.
Mentzer had freed The Methsiah within and was doubtless phasing between multiple dimensions. Or a singular dementia. Drugs will fuck you up and he got reeeeeeally fucked up. I thought well of him and then he disappeared. When he returned, I still thought well of him but considered his last high intensity stuff as not so much "too much" but rather too little.
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He looked untrained because he didn't train. Why would you keep doing something you lost interest in pursuing. I know I don't. But yes the rec drugs was unfortunate. He did them for a reason, to be more productive. About the smoking idk. They didn't know how bad it was for you back then I think. John Little actually just posted another great video explaining how and why Mentzers life took a bad turn.
I think Mike was a great bodybuilder but just listening to him ramble on and refer to himself in the third person it's pretty obvious that he was in denial about being an meth addict (just because he got them from a doctor). I suspect that the multiple times he was institutionalized had more to do with the the meth addiction than anything else happening in his life. Everyone loses their parents, breaks up with a spouse and many people have business failures and don't lose their mind.
In one of those early videos you can see how well developed he was as a teenager after only a few years of training. The guy had world class genetics for building muscle.
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That was quite interesting. Not at all intredasting. Mike Mentzer was a man of above average intellect and a physique to match.
Why do you think he was above average in intellect?
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The only thing "genetically superior" about any bodybuilder is quite possibly their muscle belly length/insertions. Some here tout "genetic" response to steroids. Everyone responds to steroids. They flat out work on anybody. If they didn't there wouldn't be such a fiercely fucked up fap-happy schmoe and tell industry.
Response to anabolic steroids varies widely within the population. Sure, they work on everyone but they work better for some.
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The only thing "genetically superior" about any bodybuilder is quite possibly their muscle belly length/insertions. Some here tout "genetic" response to steroids. Everyone responds to steroids. They flat out work on anybody. If they didn't there wouldn't be such a fiercely fucked up fap-happy schmoe and tell industry.
99.999% of every top bodybuilder since the full acceptance of steroids has been on steroids. To a degree, steroids even affect your mind. My friends that took them told me that they experienced a euphoria unlike anything else. The physical power alone made them feel god (small "g") like. Coming off was very difficult and involved, among other things, accepting that the truth is, without the drugs you weren't exactly ein Übermensch. Shit...you weren't even Vince B., who in all honesty did have an excellent physique, especially so for an apparently natural trainer.
There used to be an online copy of write up of an interview with Mike wherein during a seminar he was asked if he ever took steroids. His answer, "Yes!' Tons of 'em!"
I saw Mike, Ray and Casey train one day at the original Gold's. Wow. They trained as they had written about in the magazines. Hard, heavy and fast with very little rest between the three of them. Were they genetically superior beings? Looking at the behind the scenes video of Mike and Ray years later, I wouldn't say "no", I would say "Fuck NO!'. ;D
I asked Robbie Robinson about drugs once when in Gold's and his answer was (paraphrased) "Peole think this body comes out of a pill. Well...It also comes out of a syringe!" ;D In other words, they knew but Weider was all about pushing the genetics thing for his "champions". After "Pumping Iron" everybody knew the difference between regular bodybuilders and the "champions" was steroids. Steroids made a difference. Not genetics and no one had yet tried the now ubiquitous "genetic response to steroids" line. In the mid 80s on up to now, more drugs is the difference. Now these idiots like to say that what makes a champion is their genetic ability to "survive" the drugs.
Dumb luck is all it is and dumb luck runs out just like "regular" luck. In closing, Mike Mentzer was a fantastic bodybuilder that fucked up by mixing amphetamines with life. His brother Ray was dumb as a box of cocks. That sad asspuppet sitting in a chair across from his chain smoking brother Mike, talking about how he wants to do "video with lines on the shirts to show the movement, cuz I've been studying that shit for years"... Says it all.
Train. Just train. It ain't rocket science because if it were, nobody that's a bodybuilder would take it up, LOL! Especially me. ;D
If you can just take steroids and turn into Mr Olympia then fuckig do it. It really doesn’t work that way
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Why do you think he was above average in intellect?
He was somewhat educated and it could be that I respect that given my lack of education and intelligence but in no way do I think he was ignorant. Except perhaps for his ego getting in the way of his success, he was no bhanky.
I just think that with the inclusion of amphetamines he destroyed a lot of brain cells and lost his way. By the time he found a path back it was something of a "Yellow Brick Road".
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If you can just take steroids and turn into Mr Olympia then fuckig do it. It really doesn’t work that way
Silly boy. I may not be a smart man but I am definitely not a stoooopid bodybuilder. You must be on drugs. You cannot divert the truth of my words with the bilge that pumps forth from your ego. Drugs work. Don't believe me?
Look in a mirror. Stop taking them and look again in a few weeks. Even something as low as HRT makes a difference. Quit being such a fetid mule and maybe people will respect your accomplishments for what they are instead of being repulsed by what you display. All anyone here need do to light your fuse is to bring reality into the conversation.
Like I've said before, we're all willing, wanting and waiting to like you. I think you don't even like you.
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Yes, we are all experts in contest judging when we get 16 inch arms. That much is certain.
We are all come to but pay homage to our emperor and god, Vince Basile. Hail Geezer! Hail Geezer!
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He was somewhat educated and it could be that I respect that given my lack of education and intelligence but in no way do I think he was ignorant. Except perhaps for his ego getting in the way of his success, he was no bhanky.
I just think that with the inclusion of amphetamines he destroyed a lot of brain cells and lost his way. By the time he found a path back it was something of a "Yellow Brick Road".
He definitely thought he had great intellect. The word "science" was thrown around a lot by Mentzer and Jones when describing HIT but there was no science used at all. Jones never ran a proper test to compare his training method to any other. All of his test subjects trained exactly the same.
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He definitely thought he had great intellect. The word "science" was thrown around a lot by Mentzer and Jones when describing HIT but there was no science used at all. Jones never ran a proper test to compare his training method to any other. All of his test subjects trained exactly the same.
Thats actually a very good point. There definitely would have been many obstacles in getting some sort of academic rigour involved in trying to confirm their hypothesis. Essentially Mentzer and Jones where both businessman in a way, we can gather this by their output. Not necessarily in pursuit of some sort of scientific truth, or really and truly we would have seen empirical confirmation. One thing that can be said from Mentzer's short life, he really was a major stepping stone in bringing forth the idea of recovery and CNS activation in the face of the traditional extended workout regiments at the time. I think he took this concept too far towards the end of his life with the attacking a bodypart only once every 14 days.