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Title: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Straw Man on January 18, 2022, 12:34:31 PM
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 18, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
the smallpox vaccine was invented in 1786, it took until the 1950s before it was perfected


I call your small pox and raise you a Thalidomide..
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Straw Man on January 18, 2022, 12:43:32 PM
the smallpox vaccine was invented in 1786, it took until the 1950s before it was perfected


I call your small pox and raise you a Thalidomide..
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Great job missing the point (was that intentional?)

Thalidomide was not a vaccine so not sure why you would bring that up.  You can also mention a hundred other drugs that have adverse side effect
Why didn't you bring up Zantac or talcum powder while you're at it

Also, our vaccine technology is much better today than in was in the 1950's

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 18, 2022, 12:56:13 PM
Great job missing the point (was that intentional?)

Thalidomide was not a vaccine so not sure why you would bring that up.  You can also mention a hundred other drugs that have adverse side effect
Why didn't you bring up Zantac or talcum powder while you're at it

Also, our vaccine technology is much better today than in was in the 1950's

lets wait until the vaccine trials are over mid 2023
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Straw Man on January 18, 2022, 01:03:07 PM
lets wait until the vaccine trials are over mid 2023

can you provide a link to those trials

here is something I found
here is a snip for the short attention span crowd

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Finally, it is standard practice for vaccine monitoring to continue after clinical trials. The estimated completion date on clinical trial websites lists Jan. 31, 2023 for Pfizer (bit.ly/3vvVPiz) and Oct. 27, 2022 for Moderna (bit.ly/3aSmb6y), which has led some people to believe that clinical trials are incomplete.

However, authorised COVID-19 vaccines were thoroughly tested (here) and the dates reference continued safety monitoring, which is standard practice in the industry (here).

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-clinical-trial/fact-check-it-is-normal-for-safety-monitoring-to-continue-after-clinical-trials-idUSL1N2PI0N6
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Coach is Back! on January 18, 2022, 01:03:25 PM
lets wait until the vaccine trials are over mid 2023

I would say at least 2028
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 18, 2022, 01:13:58 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: tommywishbone on January 18, 2022, 01:14:12 PM
Covid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA!

A bad haircut. A mild sunburn. Meaningless shit.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Gym-Rat on January 18, 2022, 01:15:21 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"

this is perfect and really just sums it all up nicely ^
sorry you got hit hard with it
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 18, 2022, 01:16:21 PM
Vaxxed and vapers are the worst people I meet in my daily life. They want everybody to be like them but in fact theye're just stupid people who jump on novelty and they believe the marketing BS. Vegans are like that too. Just do your thing and leave the others do theirs

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 01:19:52 PM
Don't think vaccines "work"....check out these stats.

Mind Blowing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256999/number-covid-hospitalizations-canada-by-vaccination-status/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256999/number-covid-hospitalizations-canada-by-vaccination-status/)

😎
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 18, 2022, 01:20:36 PM
this is perfect and really just sums it all up nicely ^
sorry you got hit hard with it

It sucks for me. But I played ball and got both shots to comply with the vaccine requirements. I was never convinced and based on every study I read, it never seemed like they had a good grip on this vaccine, but hey, "trust the science".

I trusted the science and I'm personally not impressed. Now, after getting COVID and having a TERRIBLE experience, it's not like I can go back and not get vaccinated. But if anyone asks me whether it's worth it, my answer (without hesitation) is that you must make that decision for yourself. None of the bullshit meme posts and little YouTube clips will make a difference in justifying what you go through once you do get vaccinated and STILL get COVID.

Ultimately, it's a personal decision. But if I were younger than 40 years of age and with no comorbidities, I would suggest that you instead work on getting natural immunity. Get the virus and fight it off like your damn immune system was intended to do.

"1"
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: robcguns on January 18, 2022, 01:22:14 PM
Why do you care if others are vaccinated?are you scared even whilst being vaccinated? If we aren’t scared not being vaccinated and don’t care you shouldn’t either. Also I’m not anti vax I’m just anti rushed to market vax.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 18, 2022, 01:25:29 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"

Great post.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: IroNat on January 18, 2022, 01:30:07 PM
Fourth COVID vaccine still doesn’t stop Omicron, new Israeli study shows

https://nypost.com/2022/01/18/fourth-covid-vaccine-still-doesnt-stop-omicron-israeli-study/

Sheba Hospital last month tested a fourth shot given to more than 270 medical workers, with 154 getting the Pfizer jab and 120 receiving Moderna.

The researchers revealed Monday that both groups showed a “slightly higher” increase in antibodies than after the third shot — but still not enough to prevent Omicron, the latest variant responsible for the vast majority of infections around the world.

“Despite increased antibody levels, the fourth vaccine only offers a partial defense against the virus,” said Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay, director of the hospital’s infection disease unit leading the study.

The study saw “many infected with Omicron who received the fourth dose,” she said. “Granted, a bit less than in the control group, but still a lot of infections.”
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 01:31:29 PM
Why do you care if others are vaccinated?are you scared even whilst being vaccinated? If we aren’t scared not being vaccinated and don’t care you shouldn’t either. Also I’m not anti vax I’m just anti rushed to market vax.

The unvaccinated are 200 TIMES more likely to spread the virus....that's why.

 ::)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2022, 01:32:13 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"
Trust the science!
Glad you're feeling better
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 18, 2022, 01:32:51 PM
LoL

Straw going down with the ship. The boys at JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs don’t think the vaccines are so great:

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: BlackMetallic on January 18, 2022, 01:35:47 PM
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: dexitrim on January 18, 2022, 01:36:32 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"

If you keep posting stuff like this, I'm never getting jabbed. Ever.

That reminds me, tonight is my TPP/NPP/Tren Ace jab.  ;D
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Megalodon on January 18, 2022, 01:43:00 PM
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Exactly. The "Trumptards" are those on the left that obsess over Trump but crave Trump inside their bodies in the form of the "vaccine" that Trump promoted heavily and took full credit for.

Those on the right are against the Trump-pump and Biden-booster being mandatory.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 18, 2022, 01:45:37 PM
If you keep posting stuff like this, I'm never getting jabbed. Ever.

That reminds me, tonight is my TPP/NPP/Tren Ace jab.  ;D

Ultimately, it is your decision.

Read the research. Go through all the pros and cons. Do a personal health inventory and decide whether you fall into the category of people that would be better suited if vaccinated (immunocompromised, many comorbidities, elderly etc) versus not getting vaccinated. Look up the VAERS report (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html)) to see how many reported deaths have occurred from people getting the COVID vaccine in just 1 year's time (VAERS received 11,225 reports of death among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine). Ask people you know who have received the vaccine what their experience has been and whether they still got COVID regardless of being vaccinated.

In other words, be an informed consumer of what goes into your body. You only live one life and have one body to live within. Every other month the details, of what full vaccination consists of, are changing. Tomorrow, they'll probably make a COVID shot part of your yearly vaccinations (much like the flu shot). You have to decide how much are you willing to allow this government, the CDC and Dr. Fauci to push onto you.

If after doing your research, you feel informed and decide to get or not get the vaccine, then the final blame falls on you regarding whatever aftermath you experience (GOOD or BAD). What I am tired of seeing is people being guilt tripped into getting or not getting the vaccine. People need to realize that this is becoming a very twisted social experiment that is clearly causing a divide amongst our society. People are turning on each other based on a bullshit narrative that is being dictated by the powers that be and being served to the common masses by the mainstream media.

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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: robcguns on January 18, 2022, 01:47:27 PM
The unvaccinated are 200 TIMES more likely to spread the virus....that's why.

 ::)

But if we the unvaccinated aren’t worried why are you so worried? If it scares you so much, maybe you shouldn’t leave your house?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 18, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
The unvaccinated are 200 TIMES more likely to spread the virus....that's why.

 ::)

simply not true

If vaccines work then vaccinated people would spread more virus as they dont get symptoms
an unvaccinated person would get symptoms and as such no go out spreading the virus

you cant have it both ways, do vaccines work or not?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:05:57 PM
simply not true

If vaccines work then vaccinated people would spread more virus as they dont get symptoms
an unvaccinated person would get symptoms and as such no go out spreading the virus

you cant have it both ways, do vaccines work or not?

I have NO idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you drunk again.

 :(
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2022, 05:10:08 PM
I have NO idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you drunk again.

 :(
You're just not that smart. :-[
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:11:12 PM
You're just not that smart. :-[

Wow what's with all the personal attacks today?

 :(
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2022, 05:17:19 PM
Wow what's with all the personal attacks today?

 :(
It's not personal, anybody spewing your type of rhetoric isn't that smart. Don't be sad, smarten up. :)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:27:32 PM
It's not personal, anybody spewing your type of rhetoric isn't that smart. Don't be sad, smarten up. :)

Fair enough.

No science allowed on GetBig.

Got it!

 ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 05:30:17 PM
Never in history has the failure of a product been blamed on those who do not use it lol
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:31:48 PM
Never in history has the failure of a product been blamed on those who do not use it lol

Ummm.....you've LITERALLY just described every vaccine known to man.

 ::)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 05:33:15 PM
Ummm.....you've LITERALLY just described every vaccine known to man.

 ::)

Nope. It's never made a difference if anyone else was injected. If you're injected, your protected. Simple as that.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 18, 2022, 05:34:08 PM
Fair enough.

No science allowed on GetBig.

Got it!

 ;)
You wouldn't understand science if it was written in crayon. :o
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:36:57 PM
Nope. It's never made a difference if anyone else was injected. If you're injected, your protected. Simple as that.

Of course it does. That's how vaccines work.

It's obvious you have ZERO medical training.

 ::)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 18, 2022, 05:45:10 PM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"

Glad you got through it ok, bro. Are you required to take boosters for work or entry to places in NYC?

I don't have any plans to take it but may be forced into it eventually. I'm withholding judgement on efficacy vs Omicron. Daily messaging is that boosting is of benefit but, big surprise, I've yet to see the research which supports that claim. My gut says it does nothing at all, but I'm agnostic on that, and I'm concerned about it fucking with acquisition of natural immunity.

Seems to me the vaccinated Western World is going to continue on the same trajectory and foster mutations which evade vaccine antibodies. Rather than a footrace between spike mutations and updated boosters, I'd like to see some exploration of traditional technology vaccines and other avenues of prevention and treatment.

It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 05:46:30 PM
Of course it does. That's how vaccines work.

It's obvious you have ZERO medical training.

 ::)

You don't need "medical training" to realize that's not true. Many MANY doctors would agree lol

Again, if you're injected and your vaxxine works, what are you worried about? And if your vaxxine works, why does anyone need to take it?

You can't word salad your way out of common sense and it's hilarious
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
You wouldn't understand science if it was written in crayon. :o

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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 05:54:26 PM
You don't need "medical training" to realize that's not true. Many MANY doctors would agree lol

Again, if you're injected and your vaxxine works, what are you worried about? And if your vaxxine works, why does anyone need to take it?

You can't word salad your way out of common sense and it's hilarious

Claims to know more about vaccines than Medical Doctors and Scientists.

Can't even spell the word VACCINE.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 05:58:43 PM
Claims to know more about vaccines than Medical Doctors and Scientists.

Can't even spell the word VACCINE.

 ::) ::) ::)

Nope I sure didn't I just pointed out that doctors disagree with your retarded big pharma paid theory of this one for all and all for one nonsense.

You mentally fragile and manipulated liberal cult members will believe white is black, and black is white if these people told you to.

Remember when people like you used to burn scientists at the stake for claiming the earth revolves around the sun?  :D
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Princess L on January 18, 2022, 06:00:54 PM
IT'S NOT A FUCKING VACCINE  >:(
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 18, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
Nope I sure didn't I just pointed out that doctors disagree with your retarded big pharma paid theory of this one for all and all for one nonsense.

You mentally fragile and manipulated liberal cult members will believe white is black, and black is white if these people told you to.

Remember when people like you used to burn scientists at the stake for claiming the earth revolves around the sun?  :D

Meltdown 😎
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 06:04:17 PM
Meltdown 😎

All I'm doing is asking you to explain your science... And can it be backed up in the court of law
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 18, 2022, 06:05:20 PM
200 times more likely to spread?  He's just making shit up and should be banned.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 06:08:13 PM
200 times more likely to spread?  He's just making shit up and should be banned.

I just don't get why he's so desperate to try and prove his fake science? Why would a gimmick go this far?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Zillotch on January 18, 2022, 06:16:13 PM
I played ball and got both shots to comply with the vaccine requirements.

Glad you got through it ok, bro.

no one 'gets thru' this 'vaccine'.

bending the knee to tyranny, and genetically modifying your body results in ruin.

he is perma fuked, just like the rest.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: beakdoctor on January 18, 2022, 06:26:57 PM
I have NO idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you drunk again.

 :(

Of course you can't understand what he's saying because its logical and simple.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: TheGrinch on January 18, 2022, 06:28:30 PM
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Straw Man on January 18, 2022, 06:34:29 PM
A few more added to the list today

I assume this one doesn't feel "ripped off" any more
https://mobile.twitter.com/QTWIQ1

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 18, 2022, 06:40:57 PM
I just don't get why he's so desperate to try and prove his fake science? Why would a gimmick go this far?

Well, that's just it.  He isn't desperate to "prove" it, he's just desperate for attention.  He doesn't try to prove anything.  He isn't really engaging or debating he's just trolling.  He makes outlandish clealry inaccurate statements and provides no back up and then later might possibly post something not proving what he claims then claiming victory and posting a dumb picture.  Most of the time though he just ignores the numerous posts refuting him.

Howard really has nothing better to do for attention though.  He's like a young Richard Gere getting ready to be tossed out by Lou Gossett Jr. in An Officer and a Gentleman, he's got nowhere else to go.

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 18, 2022, 07:26:09 PM
no one 'gets thru' this 'vaccine'.

bending the knee to tyranny, and genetically modifying your body results in ruin.

he is perma fuked, just like the rest.

Same standard I apply to pro-vaccine arguments: Show me the evidence. What's the mechanism of genetic modification? (And don't say adenoviral reverse transcription. Most people are taking mRNAs.) We have observations of this famous 'genetic modification' you claim is happening?

And people can unbend their knee any time. And we need them to so don't be a prick about it.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 18, 2022, 08:54:32 PM
can you provide a link to those trials

here is something I found
here is a snip for the short attention span crowd

However, authorised COVID-19 vaccines were thoroughly tested (here) and the dates reference continued safety monitoring, which is standard practice in the industry (here).

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-clinical-trial/fact-check-it-is-normal-for-safety-monitoring-to-continue-after-clinical-trials-idUSL1N2PI0N6

Why do you care if other people are injected or not? You aren't going back to normal regardless. This is pretty simple.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 18, 2022, 09:08:56 PM
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Zillotch on January 18, 2022, 10:04:34 PM
Show me the evidence. What's the mechanism of genetic modification? (And don't say adenoviral reverse transcription. Most people are taking mRNAs.)

r u saying that mRNA is not a known, proven form of gene therapy.. thereby making it, in itself, the 'mechanism of genetic modification'?

And people can unbend their knee any time.

I really don't think so.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Moontrane on January 18, 2022, 10:12:47 PM
.

 :D
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 18, 2022, 10:29:13 PM
I have NO idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you drunk again.

 :(

As one of your medical colleagues to explain it to you   ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 18, 2022, 10:31:29 PM
I just don't get why he's so desperate to try and prove his fake science? Why would a gimmick go this far?

Have you forgotten about Joon?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 19, 2022, 12:46:08 AM
I just don't get why he's so desperate to try and prove his fake science? Why would a gimmick go this far?

Internet trolls are generally pathetic losers who have no life. The attention they get on the Internet validates them.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Gym-Rat on January 19, 2022, 09:58:13 AM
Internet trolls are generally pathetic losers who have no life. The attention they get on the Internet validates them.

then he pounds on his mom for being late with his mac n cheese
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: irishdave on January 19, 2022, 10:56:03 AM
97% of Ireland is vaxxed and most of my friends in their 30s who were triple vaxxed and over Christmas all of their families got infected.
I had 3 days of a flu I think was delta about 4 months ago and that was it
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: bLuEeYes on January 19, 2022, 11:04:31 AM
I talked to my unvaxxed cousin and told me his triple jabbed boss died yesterday because of covid. I don't know what new lie they'll come out with when people will realize triple jabbed die
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: deadz on January 19, 2022, 11:10:18 AM
I talked to my unvaxxed cousin and told me his triple jabbed boss died yesterday because of covid. I don't know what new lie they'll come out with when people will realize triple jabbed die
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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2022, 11:15:45 AM
Why do you care if other people are injected or not? You aren't going back to normal regardless. This is pretty simple.
He doesn't care, he's a nazi, he enjoys watching Americas die that disagree with his political views. It's his biggest reason for remaining anonymous here. ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 11:25:08 AM
I talked to my unvaxxed cousin and told me his triple jabbed boss died yesterday because of covid. I don't know what new lie they'll come out with when people will realize triple jabbed die

Great post!
 ::)

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Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
He doesn't care, he's a nazi, he enjoys watching Americas die that disagree with his political views. It's his biggest reason for remaining anonymous here. ;)

Not true. I love Americans!

🙂
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2022, 11:27:46 AM
Not true. I love Americans!

🙂
That was directed at your Straw Man account. ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 11:30:35 AM
That was directed at your Straw Man account. ;)

ooops.

 ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 19, 2022, 12:02:38 PM
ooops.

 ;)

Truth at last
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 19, 2022, 12:03:08 PM
Glad you got through it ok, bro. Are you required to take boosters for work or entry to places in NYC?

The vast majority of restaurants, theaters and gyms require proof of vaccination around where I live in NYC. The booster shots are not required YET, but even that can change.

I don't have any plans to take it but may be forced into it eventually. I'm withholding judgement on efficacy vs Omicron. Daily messaging is that boosting is of benefit but, big surprise, I've yet to see the research which supports that claim. My gut says it does nothing at all, but I'm agnostic on that, and I'm concerned about it fucking with acquisition of natural immunity.

I got the Omicron variant, confirmed via multiple tests at my hospital. They literally ran 3 different types of tests in order to confirm the strain. I guess the Omicron variant is so prominent now that they are making sure to distinguish what's coming in giving this most recent surge. The vaccinations did nothing to mitigate effects of the virus. Again, this is my individual case, but natural immunity is what I should have gone with.

Seems to me the vaccinated Western World is going to continue on the same trajectory and foster mutations which evade vaccine antibodies. Rather than a footrace between spike mutations and updated boosters, I'd like to see some exploration of traditional technology vaccines and other avenues of prevention and treatment.

Here's the thing. I got COVID without knowing that I was infected. I was already vaccinated and still got COVID. I inadvertently gave it to one of my neighbors, who was perfectly fine before spending some time with my family and I. The morning right after he spent an evening sharing with us, he wakes up with really bad flu-like symptoms. That was also the same morning that everyone in my home woke up with bad flu-like symptoms. Get this, that neighbor had not gone out for over 10 days due to the cold weather and one of his puppies being sick. So, in other words, the only exposure he got was to my family. This neighbor wasn't vaccinated and he is now (STILL) hospitalized with COVID. I feel terrible, as I know we spread it to this nice guy. His wife is at home sick with COVID, but he is instead admitted into a medical ICU struggling to breathe. Again, what the fuck was the purpose of this vaccine? You can still get COVID, spread COVID and can also get very sick from COVID. It didn't do much to protect me from getting it, nor did it weaken the virus before someone else I know ended up getting it from me. Again, a truly shitty situation and just goes to show that you need to make your own decisions. I decided to get the vaccines just because we also travel abroad a lot to Israel to visit family (elderly folks that can pass at any time). To enter Israel, you need full vaccination against COVID. So I got the fucking vaccines and have nothing to show for it, but a really sick friend in the hospital.

It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.

I completely agree. It's as if we are in bed with the pharmaceutical companies and Dr. Fauci has gone ALL-IN on his vaccine stance and now can't backstep, as he would look like a fucking moron.

Think about it long and hard before getting this useless chemical jabbed into your body. If I could go back, I would pass on it given what I know now. But do as you must in order to take care of your own.

"1"
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 19, 2022, 12:03:20 PM
Have you forgotten about Joon?

TRUE

Albeit he was an unremarkable gimmick
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: CalvinH on January 19, 2022, 02:24:33 PM
It sucks for me. But I played ball and got both shots
"1"


Glad your feeling better but this is not surprising to hear from you.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OneMoreRep on January 19, 2022, 02:27:30 PM

Glad your feeling better but this is not surprising to hear from you.

Ha! You beat Grape Ape to the punch!

"1"
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: robcguns on January 19, 2022, 02:29:57 PM
Fauci should be executed lying scumbag trash.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: CalvinH on January 19, 2022, 02:47:46 PM
Ha! You beat Grape Ape to the punch!

"1"

I forgot to switch accounts!
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Grape Ape on January 19, 2022, 03:32:47 PM
Ha! You beat Grape Ape to the punch!

"1"

Dammit  >:(
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: wes on January 19, 2022, 03:39:12 PM
I forgot to switch accounts!
:D
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 19, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
97% of Ireland is vaxxed and most of my friends in their 30s who were triple vaxxed and over Christmas all of their families got infected.
I had 3 days of a flu I think was delta about 4 months ago and that was it

far from it
Dont let the media fool you
Stats like that are intended to make people take up the vax if they think they are in such a small minority

In England they said it was 5% unvaxed, its more like 30%
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 03:48:20 PM
far from it
Dont let the media fool you
Stats like that are intended to make people take up the vax if they think they are in such a small minority

In England they said it was 5% unvaxed, its more like 30%

England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

🙄
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Freemason on January 19, 2022, 03:55:20 PM
Don't think vaccines "work"....check out these stats.

Mind Blowing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256999/number-covid-hospitalizations-canada-by-vaccination-status/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1256999/number-covid-hospitalizations-canada-by-vaccination-status/)

😎

Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 19, 2022, 03:56:38 PM
England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

🙄

30% unvaxed you silly c.unt
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 19, 2022, 04:02:32 PM

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
52,151,643

Second dose total
48,019,069

Booster or third dose total
36,621,671

United Kingdom/Population
67.22 million (2020)

so thats 19 million unvaccinated
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Flexacon on January 19, 2022, 04:03:06 PM

It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.

Naturally I knew this would be the case several months ago. Even highlighted the solution they should have been chasing all along.

The soggy crew on here continue to bury their head in the sand.

Your taxes or some variation of it paid for vaccinations. Are you really oblivious to that fact?

There is never gonna be any eradication of the covid-19 even with 100% vaccination uptake. The sooner you except accept the better, because there is no alternative. Once everyone has been infected the virus becomes even more insignificant than it already is. The solution has always been to let the virus run. A working antiviral would have allowed for this with minimal distribution disruption.

Also lol@ you thinking Vaccines are the first line of defence. No, that would be your immune system. Always has been even for the vaccinated.

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Primemuscle on January 19, 2022, 04:10:06 PM
the smallpox vaccine was invented in 1786, it took until the 1950s before it was perfected


I call your small pox and raise you a Thalidomide..
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There are problems with this comparison....apples and oranges.

"Thalidomide was introduced in the late 1950s and widely marketed as a safe, over-the-counter sleep sedative. It was eventually sold in 46 countries, though never in the United States. According to an article from Northwestern University, thalidomide sales at the time rivaled those of aspirin.

Around 1960, doctors started prescribing the drug to pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. Doctors and newspapers, however, soon reported that babies whose mothers took thalidomide were being born with phocomelia, a rare condition that causes missing, shortened and flipper-like limbs.

By 1962, most countries where thalidomide was sold banned the drug, but not before it caused an estimated 10,000 children to be born with phocomelia."

Thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for distribution in the U.S.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Primemuscle on January 19, 2022, 04:18:59 PM
It's really odd that the world won't admit that the vaccines are a disappointment and we need a new approach.

What would that approach be? Any ideas? Do you not suppose new medications are being looked at all the time?

"Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Authorizes First Oral Antiviral for Treatment of COVID-19"

December 22, 2021

"Two oral antivirals, paxlovid (PDF) and molnupiravir (PDF), were made available for outpatients with mild to moderate COVID-19 under FDA emergency use authorization. Both drugs are taken twice daily for five days. Compared with placebo, paxlovid is more effective against hospitalization and death, 88%, than molnupiravir, 33%, but it is in short supply. Treatment with these oral antivirals must begin within five days of symptom onset to maintain product efficacy.

Evusheld (PDF) is the only product to receive FDA emergency use authorization for pre-exposure prophylaxis for COVID-19. It includes two long-acting anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies and is intended for the “highest risk immunocompromised patients” for whom vaccination is not expected to be effective. It is not intended as a treatment."

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/covid-19-treatments-what-s-fda-authorized-and-what-works
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 04:20:10 PM
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

People vaccinated
First dose total
52,151,643

Second dose total
48,019,069

Booster or third dose total
36,621,671

United Kingdom/Population
67.22 million (2020)

so thats 19 million unvaccinated

First of all you're counting 5 and under in the total population, which is not standard.

Second, who is saying the UK is 5% vaccinated then? You posted the government stats?

 ???
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 19, 2022, 05:06:15 PM
Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.

I told him this same thing the first time he posted this a month ago.  He doesn't care, just a troll.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 19, 2022, 05:13:01 PM
There are problems with this comparison....apples and oranges.

"Thalidomide was introduced in the late 1950s and widely marketed as a safe, over-the-counter sleep sedative. It was eventually sold in 46 countries, though never in the United States. According to an article from Northwestern University, thalidomide sales at the time rivaled those of aspirin.

Around 1960, doctors started prescribing the drug to pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. Doctors and newspapers, however, soon reported that babies whose mothers took thalidomide were being born with phocomelia, a rare condition that causes missing, shortened and flipper-like limbs.

By 1962, most countries where thalidomide was sold banned the drug, but not before it caused an estimated 10,000 children to be born with phocomelia."

Thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for distribution in the U.S.

Oh shit!  Bodybuilding Thalidomide link exposed:  "Ciba, a pharmaceutical company based in Switzerland, first synthesized thalidomide, a sedative similar to barbiturates and derived from glutamic acid, in 1953."  https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/us-regulatory-response-thalidomide-1950-2000

I remember a kid I went to high school with in the 80s that was clearly a thalidomide baby.  I remember him dipping Skoal using those flipper hands to get a dip out of the can.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 06:48:37 PM
Although the Covid vaccines have shown some efficacy in preventing hospitalizations, your study is a pile of shit at best.

YOUR study says takes all hospitalizations from Dec 2020 through Dec 2021 and says about 40,000 we’re unvaccinated and 10,000 were partially or full vaccinated.

The problem is almost no one was fully vaccinated for the first quarter (that’s 3 months oak…) and it was mid September 2021 before Canada was 50% FULLY VACCINATED.

So obviously your stats are shit. Also you need to look at hospitalization rates for each month.

No real scientist would have ever thrown this shitty paper together without being laughed at in the past. Now idiots like you are propping them up. You need to look at equal groups of vaxxed/unvaxxed and follow them to see real results. No one doing that right now AND WE SHOULD ALL BE WONDERING WHY.

I can't believe you think this is a "research paper" that you can argue against.

These are the statistics of EVERY COVID-19 hospitalization case in Canada from last year.

There's NO arguing that over 90% of COVID-19 hospitalizations were NOT fully vaccinated (you'd be better off arguing that 1+1 is NOT equal to 2).


You think you know more than 99% of all Medical Doctors and Scientists in North America yet you don't even understand what a "study" or "research paper" is?


🙄🙄🙄🙄
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 06:49:30 PM
😎😎😎
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2022, 06:50:35 PM
Posting a meme doesn't make you right.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 06:54:27 PM
Posting a meme doesn't make you right.

True.

But I posted the meme BECAUSE I'm right.

 8)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2022, 06:56:01 PM
True.

But I posted the meme BECAUSE I'm right.

 8)
Only in your own head.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: OAK on January 19, 2022, 06:57:09 PM
Only in your own head.

😎😎😎
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: chaos on January 19, 2022, 07:00:44 PM
Exactly. Avoidance is your best defense. ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 19, 2022, 07:31:57 PM
What would that approach be? Any ideas?

Brutal honesty. "You're fat and gluttoned your way into diabetes. You're by far the #1 cost to the healthcare system and we're not carrying your blubber ass anymore. You killed socialized medicine."

Also a vaccine that's actually a vaccine. In the sense that it works. I'm curious about traditional technology ones. I think India has one and I think Sinopharm is one. How are they working? I have no idea. All I hear is Pfizer/Moderna every 3 months or no job 4 u!

Australia needs regime change.

A mask that actually works. Also vitamin D, zinc & quercetin, NAC, Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, and Hydroxychloroquine. You should dig into these imo. What you took is minimally effective, if at all. There's nothing bad about seeing if other things can help. It doesn't make you an antivaxer to do things in addition to vaccination. Idk why people insist on doing nothing other than vaccinating. It's weird.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Princess L on January 19, 2022, 07:56:33 PM
WASHINGTON – On December 29, 2021, U.S. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) sent a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) regarding information he obtained from independent researchers. These researchers used publicly available data from the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) to uncover a potential disturbing relationship between COVID-19 adverse event reports and certain vaccine lots. Senator Johnson asked the FDA and CDC for a response to his letter no later than January 12, 2022. To date, the FDA and CDC have not responded– reinforcing their arrogant lack of transparency and unwillingness to be held accountable.

“Using VAERS data, these researchers found that for the past 30 years, seasonal flu vaccines have never had more than 137 adverse events reported for a single lot in VAERS. In stark contrast, in less than one year, 5,297 adverse events were associated with a single COVID- 19 vaccine lot. In addition, 186 lots of COVID-19 vaccine had over 1,000 reports of adverse events, and an additional 70 lots between 500-999 reports. The researchers’ analysis further shows that approximately 80% of U.S.-only adverse events reported to VAERS for COVID-19 vaccines are associated with approximately 1% of vaccine lots reported to VAERS, and approximately 80% of serious adverse events (those involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, or death) are associated with approximately 5% of specific vaccine lots reported to VAERS,” the senator wrote.

“In addition, the total number of adverse events and deaths reported to VAERS for the COVID-19 vaccines should have prompted serious investigations and corrective action many months ago. As noted by federal health agencies, the reports on VAERS are “only a small fraction of actual adverse events.” Through December 17, 2021, there have been 983,758 total adverse events and 20,622 deaths reported worldwide associated with the COVID-19 vaccines. Of the 20,622 deaths, 6,232 (30%) have occurred on day 0,1, or 2 following vaccination. In contrast, over 30 years of reporting on seasonal flu vaccines, there have been a total of 200,264 adverse events and 2,078 deaths,” the senator continued.

The full text of the letter can be found here and below.

December 29, 2021

Janet Woodcock, M.D.

Acting Commissioner

Food and Drug Administration

10903 New Hampshire Ave.

Silver Spring, MD 20993

 

Rochelle P. Walensky, M.D., MPH

Director

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

395 E Street SW

Washington, DC 20024

 

Dear Drs. Woodcock and Walensky:

                Due to the unprecedented number of adverse events and deaths associated with the COVID-19 vaccines on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), independent researchers have downloaded VAERS data and begun analyzing the apparent variation in the distribution of adverse events between vaccine lots.  If the production of vaccines were under control, with quality systems working properly, one would expect to see relatively even distribution of adverse events and deaths across all lots.

                According to these researchers, the variation of adverse events among COVID-19 vaccine lots stands in stark contrast to a much lower degree of variation of adverse events associated with seasonal flu vaccine lots reported over a 30-year period.  Furthermore, the total number of adverse events reported in COVID-19 vaccine lots appear to be much higher than the total number of adverse events reported in the context of seasonal flu vaccine lots.

                Using VAERS data, these researchers found that for the past 30 years, seasonal flu vaccines have never had more than 137 adverse events reported for a single lot in VAERS.  In stark contrast, in less than one year, 5,297 adverse events were associated with a single COVID-19 vaccine lot.  In addition, 186 lots of COVID-19 vaccine had over 1,000 reports of adverse events, and an additional 70 lots between 500-999 reports.  The researchers’ analysis further shows that approximately 80% of U.S.-only adverse events reported to VAERS for COVID-19 vaccines are associated with approximately 1% of vaccine lots reported to VAERS, and approximately 80% of serious adverse events (those involving emergency room visits, hospitalization, or death) are associated with approximately 5% of specific vaccine lots reported to VAERS.

                According to the researchers, as of December 3, 2021, the data comparing COVID-19 vaccine lots to seasonal flu vaccine lots spanning 30 years show the following:

                                                                  COVID-19 Vaccines                 Seasonal Flu Vaccines

Total # of lots reported:                                             24,945                                           22,334

Highest # Adverse Events in one lot:

   (COVID-19: Moderna lot# 039K20A)                    5,297

   (Flu:  Novartis lot # 1514501)                                                                                        137

# of lots with Adverse Events totaling between:

                                      3,000 to 5,297:                       12                                                    0

                                      1,000 to 2,999:                     174                                                    0

                                         500 to    999:                       70                                                    0

                                         100 to    499:                     109                                                  10

                                           50 to      99:                       73                                                150

                                           10 to      49:                     695                                             3,779

                                             5 to        9:                  1,136                                             2,588

                                             1 to        4:                22,676                                           15,807

                Over the last year, public reporting has revealed instances where specific COVID-19 vaccine doses or lots were contaminated or linked to safety concerns.  For example, in January 2021, California temporarily paused administering doses from a Moderna COVID-19 vaccine lot following reports of people having severe allergic reactions to the doses from that lot.[1]  It is unclear how the California Department of Public Health made the decision to lift the pause and whether individuals from the other states that received doses from this lot experienced similar severe allergic reactions.[2]

Reports also revealed that in March 2021, Johnson & Johnson confirmed that “one vaccine batch was discarded over production issues.”[3]  In August 2021, Moderna reportedly recalled three lots of its vaccine in Japan after detecting a contaminant in vaccine vials.[4]  These examples underscore concerns about potential problems with specific vaccine lots.

In addition, the total number of adverse events and deaths reported to VAERS for the COVID-19 vaccines should have prompted serious investigations and corrective action many months ago.  As noted by federal health agencies, the reports on VAERS are “only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”[5]   Through December 17, 2021, there have been 983,758 total adverse events and 20,622 deaths reported worldwide associated with the COVID-19 vaccines.  Of the 20,622 deaths, 6,232 (30%) have occurred on day 0,1, or 2 following vaccination.  In contrast, over 30 years of reporting on seasonal flu vaccines, there have been a total of 200,264 adverse events and 2,078 deaths.   

                The significant differences between adverse event reports in the contexts of COVID-19 and seasonal flu vaccines, both in terms of absolute numbers and vaccine lot variation, should be raising major alarms with the vaccine manufacturers and federal health agencies.  However, it remains unclear the extent to which vaccine manufacturers and federal health agencies have reviewed or conducted robust safety investigations based on the COVID-19-associated VAERS data.

                Fortunately, VAERS data is publicly available, and these alarming safety signals have not remained totally hidden.  Also fortunately, scientists and researchers have revealed, and continue to reveal, potential serious safety signals and are attempting to bring these revelations to the public and to the regulatory agencies.  The experienced opinions of these independent researchers, some of whom are veterans of the pharmaceutical industry, is that the extent of variability in product safety between batches is completely outside of any normal boundaries of properly manufactured products of this highly-regulated sector.

The information detailed above raises a number of questions that need to be answered.

    Is the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) aware of VAERS data showing certain COVID-19 vaccine lots with high numbers of adverse events?

If so, please identify those lots.

If so, what investigations or corrective action have the FDA and CDC undertaken?

If no action has been taken, please explain why.

If not aware, please describe what action(s) you are taking to ensure you identify such events in the future.

In the past, has there ever been such a wide variability in the safety profile of any pharmaceutical product under the oversight of your agency?

2. Please provide a definitive listing of all COVID-19 vaccine lots by manufacturer.Identify the COVID-19 vaccine lots that:

3. Identify the COVID-19 vaccine lots that:

Have been discarded;

Are no longer administered; and

Are under investigation.
4. Describe what, if any, actions FDA and CDC took to investigate reports of severe allergic reactions or other adverse events linked to the Moderna vaccine lot that the California Department of Public Health reportedly examined in January 2021 (vaccine lot # 041L20A).[6]

5. How many doses are in each COVID-19 vaccine lot?
6. If vaccine lots contain different numbers of doses, what is the range of doses across all vaccine lots?

 7. How many FDA audits have been conducted at each COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing site since the vaccines received Emergency Use Authorization?
Please provide the results and findings of those audits.
8. Were all COVID-19 vaccine manufacturing sites found to be in full FDA and Current Good Manufacturing Practice compliance?

If not, have there been any instances where any amounts of drug substance or drug product have not been locatable at the time of the inspection? If so, how often has this occurred?
9. What specific quality control checks are performed on each vaccine lot?
10. What is the statistical sampling criteria for each quality check?

11. What quality control information is provided to your agency by the COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers?

On a routine basis?

As part of your ongoing quality surveillance requirements?
        12. What do the numbers and alpha characters represent in the lot numbering system?

        Can the manufacturing location be identified by the lot number?  How?
        Can the manufacturing date be identified by the lot number?  How?
        What other manufacturing information is captured in the lot number?
 

Please provide this information no later than January 12, 2022.  Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

 

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Princess L on January 19, 2022, 07:59:42 PM
England is only 30% fully vaxxed?

Post your source fool!

🙄

Re-read   ::)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Princess L on January 19, 2022, 08:06:35 PM
Brutal honesty. "You're fat and gluttoned your way into diabetes. You're by far the #1 cost to the healthcare system and we're not carrying your blubber ass anymore. You killed socialized medicine."

Also a vaccine that's actually a vaccine. In the sense that it works. I'm curious about traditional technology ones. I think India has one and I think Sinopharm is one. How are they working? I have no idea. All I hear is Pfizer/Moderna every 3 months or no job 4 u!

Australia needs regime change.
It's weird.
A mask that actually works. Also vitamin D, zinc & quercetin, NAC, Fluvoxamine, Ivermectin, and Hydroxychloroquine. You should dig into these imo. What you took is minimally effective, if at all. There's nothing bad about seeing if other things can help. It doesn't make you an antivaxer to do things in addition to vaccination. Idk why people insist on doing nothing other than vaccinating.
It's ignorant.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 19, 2022, 10:44:41 PM
First of all you're counting 5 and under in the total population, which is not standard.

Second, who is saying the UK is 5% vaccinated then? You posted the government stats?

 ???

no one
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: joswift on January 19, 2022, 10:46:01 PM
Re-read   ::)
hes doing it on purpose

 ;)
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 20, 2022, 04:38:48 AM


Thanks for posting the lot number issues, PL. It's the first I've heard about this. Definitely worth investigating.

If I could ask just one question it would be: Hey, why are adverse reactions almost exact mirror images of disease symptoms?

It's not like I might develop priapism or some random shit. Clots/stroke and myocarditis. "Covid causes that too, ya know!" Yeah. What are the chances that side effects happen to be the exact fucking thing the disease causes? Heck of a coincidence.




Unrelated, but I hit a kangaroo two days ago. Bad, with a truck. First one in over 20 years I couldn't swerve around. I couldn't muster the strength to go back and put him out of his misery, which I still feel like a jerk about, but he wasn't anywhere to be seen yesterday so maybe somehow he'll recover.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 20, 2022, 03:27:23 PM
There are problems with this comparison....apples and oranges.

"Thalidomide was introduced in the late 1950s and widely marketed as a safe, over-the-counter sleep sedative. It was eventually sold in 46 countries, though never in the United States. According to an article from Northwestern University, thalidomide sales at the time rivaled those of aspirin.

Around 1960, doctors started prescribing the drug to pregnant women experiencing morning sickness. Doctors and newspapers, however, soon reported that babies whose mothers took thalidomide were being born with phocomelia, a rare condition that causes missing, shortened and flipper-like limbs.

By 1962, most countries where thalidomide was sold banned the drug, but not before it caused an estimated 10,000 children to be born with phocomelia."

Thalidomide was never approved by the FDA for distribution in the U.S.

All Rockefeller paid medicine to obtain most profit as possible using petroleum medicine. Evil to the core. No intention of 'saving lives' , with your ridiculous theory these people are trying to save the world lol.

No different than your covid vaxxine hoax you hold near and dear.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Gym-Rat on January 21, 2022, 02:17:10 AM
All Rockefeller paid medicine to obtain most profit as possible using petroleum medicine. Evil to the core. No intention of 'saving lives' , with your ridiculous theory these people are trying to save the world lol.

No different than your covid vaxxine hoax you hold near and dear.

primes pretty brain-damaged
not sure how folks like him get through life
they do find their way to dick sucking ok though
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Super Natural on January 21, 2022, 02:58:52 AM
At this point, I think it comes down to a personal decision. If you want the vaccine, go and get yourself vaccinated. If you don't want it, then don't get vaccinated.

Getting vaccinated WILL NOT stop you from getting or spreading COVID. Getting vaccinated will not stop you from drying from COVID if you suffer from comorbidities and are generally a sick individual. The vaccine is supposed to mitigate the effects of COVID once infected, but I know enough people now that have gotten fully vaccinated and ended up getting and dying from COVID. What's the excuse for them dying? I'm sure the answer is: "No vaccine is perfect, but it's the best that we've got". Well, this vaccine isn't great. I have family that as a result of the vaccine ended up with myocarditis and have had to get on heart meds, when prior to the vaccine needed no medications. What's the excuse for them? Again, it comes down to personal comfort in assuming the inherent risks of this vaccine.

Personally, I am not very impressed with the vaccine. I am fully vaccinated and lo and behold still got COVID (Omicron) variant and had the worst 2 weeks of my life and have yet to fully recover. I asked doctors at NY City's top IVY league medical institution (NY Presbyterian Hospital) why the fact that I am fully vaccinated didn't make a damn difference in fighting off this damn COVID and they did not have any answers. They simply said, "it works differently for everyone and some people just have better results". That's not good enough. I have no comorbidities and take no medications. I keep great weight year round, have a strict diet and get check ups every 6 months and have never had any health issues.

Again, decide for yourself. I've read the countless articles in the NIH and nothing points to this being a great vaccine. If anything, the yardstick keeps moving down from post to post. Now, based on new studies from Israel, they're flirting with adding a 4th shot (2 original shots with 2 booster shots).

Sorry, but this is becoming a fucking joke.

"1"

Exactly! My wife and I plus mother in law had to get vaxed to visit our family in the US. When in California our whole family of 10 came down with covid. The rest of our family is unvaxed. And we were by FAR the most sick of everyone! Plus me and my wife infected our 2 vaxed friends we met (before we knew we had it) Bunch of BS if you ask me! I'm beyond pissed off I was coerced into having the useless bunk injected into me in the first place 🤬 but it was a case of choosing between ever seeing my family again or getting jabbed 😒
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Super Natural on January 21, 2022, 03:03:59 AM
All Rockefeller paid medicine to obtain most profit as possible using petroleum medicine. Evil to the core. No intention of 'saving lives' , with your ridiculous theory these people are trying to save the world lol.

No different than your covid vaxxine hoax you hold near and dear.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Gym-Rat on January 21, 2022, 03:18:31 AM
Exactly! My wife and I plus mother in law had to get vaxed to visit our family in the US. When in California our whole family of 10 came down with covid. The rest of our family is unvaxed. And we were by FAR the most sick of everyone! Plus me and my wife infected our 2 vaxed friends we met (before we knew we had it) Bunch of BS if you ask me! I'm beyond pissed off I was coerced into having the useless bunk injected into me in the first place 🤬 but it was a case of choosing between ever seeing my family again or getting jabbed 😒

yup like johnny rotten once said:  ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
total buffoonery from day 1
watching the sheep has been comical though
now many are getting buyers remorse
especially those killed by the vaccine (family members at least, dead dont know hey are dead)
i knew 2 personally


Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Super Natural on January 21, 2022, 03:45:20 AM
yup like johnny rotten once said:  ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
total buffoonery from day 1
watching the sheep has been comical though
now many are getting buyers remorse
especially those killed by the vaccine (family members at least, dead dont know hey are dead)
i knew 2 personally

True. A fitness competitor I know (that use to be a strong vax advocat) has had to stop any exercise, contacted me saying she's really worried now, her resting heart rate is sitting abnormally high after her 2nd jab (40 above her normal resting)  A friend I work with  (Facebook post atached)  is now on perm heart meds after getting vaxed (Myocarditus) and my wifes work collegue was paralysed from the waist down following his vax, has since recovered (The company he works for tried to cover it up so as not to scare employees from getting vaxed). These are just a few instances I personally know of... I think it may have something to do with these vaccines being accidentally injected incorrectly into peoples veins and not intra muscular. (They are intended to be intra muscular) None of the nurses I've seen aspirate (I asked them to do it for me and my wife) They said they had been officially told by the drug company not to, so I called the main doctor in charge and told him we wont have it done unless they aspirate. So he reluctantly instructed the nurse to do so. Lets say 1 out of every 300 is injected into a vein maybe this is what is contributing to these adverse vax reactions/injuries?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: hench on January 21, 2022, 03:57:18 AM
Nhs worker on tv the other day said she refused the vax based on her own judgement and the fact her family had a history of Myocarditus. She lost her job by refusing but the Tv doctor said your more likely to get myocarditus from catching covid.
Funny thing is she could actually totally avoid covid but then the doctor is telling her to put herself at direct risk by getting the non vaccine
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 21, 2022, 05:39:02 AM
Exactly! My wife and I plus mother in law had to get vaxed to visit our family in the US. When in California our whole family of 10 came down with covid. The rest of our family is unvaxed. And we were by FAR the most sick of everyone! Plus me and my wife infected our 2 vaxed friends we met (before we knew we had it) Bunch of BS if you ask me! I'm beyond pissed off I was coerced into having the useless bunk injected into me in the first place 🤬 but it was a case of choosing between ever seeing my family again or getting jabbed 😒

All of the studies and CDC bulletins and press pushed party lines about Covid are based on pre-Omicron facts.  Omicron changed it all and they still refuse to change or give up their bullshit, but it's changing so quickly factually on the ground for people with stories like this that they have to start slowly trickling out the truth they've known for a while.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Gym-Rat on January 21, 2022, 05:45:50 AM
All of the studies and CDC bulletins and press pushed party lines about Covid are based on pre-Omicron facts.  Omicron changed it all and they still refuse to change or give up their bullshit, but it's changing so quickly factually on the ground for people with stories like this that they have to start slowly trickling out the truth they've known for a while.

only the true braindeads believe anything told to them by the globalists
unfortunately theres still many (calling them sheep is an insult to sheep)
people are waking up a bit though
did bloods at my drs office this am. they didnt even ask if id had the vaccine
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 21, 2022, 06:08:53 AM
Exactly! My wife and I plus mother in law had to get vaxed to visit our family in the US. When in California our whole family of 10 came down with covid. The rest of our family is unvaxed. And we were by FAR the most sick of everyone! Plus me and my wife infected our 2 vaxed friends we met (before we knew we had it) Bunch of BS if you ask me! I'm beyond pissed off I was coerced into having the useless bunk injected into me in the first place 🤬 but it was a case of choosing between ever seeing my family again or getting jabbed 😒

I found traveling in general is hard on the immune system. Apparently there are a lot of studies that bear this out:

Being in crowded public transportation for long periods. Sleeping in different beds, eating in different places, messing up your sleep schedule.

My GF got very sick on a trip to India.

As you get older I think it’s best to have a fairly set routine.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 21, 2022, 06:14:54 AM
Moderna has lost 2/3 of its market cap and is back to where it was before vaccinemania .
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 21, 2022, 06:20:48 AM
I found traveling in general is hard on the immune system. Apparently there are a lot of studies that bear this out:

Being in crowded public transportation for long periods. Sleeping in different beds, eating in different places, messing up your sleep schedule.

My GF got very sick on a trip to India.

As you get I think it’s best to have a fairly set routine.

That's been my experience since forever. Parents took me on a trip to the UK when I was a kid and I spent most of it down with a flu. In my early 20s I flew from Denver to Madrid. 4 days there I fell ill. Sickest I've ever been. Fucking Spanish flu.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Taffin on January 21, 2022, 06:32:26 AM
Unrelated, but I hit a kangaroo two days ago. Bad, with a truck. First one in over 20 years I couldn't swerve around. I couldn't muster the strength to go back and put him out of his misery, which I still feel like a jerk about, but he wasn't anywhere to be seen yesterday so maybe somehow he'll recover.

Sorry to hear that.  Not wishing to be morbid, but I'm wondering how you would have despatched it if you had chosen to go back.  I grew up next to a farm and literally next door to his Game Keeper, so I've killed and prepared most smaller animals... but a big kangaroo?  Garrotte?  With you being in Australia you presumably wouldn't have a firearm?  Just realised you might not want to answer this question LOL please ignore if that's the case  ;D
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: deadz on January 21, 2022, 07:00:28 AM
primes pretty brain-damaged
not sure how folks like him get through life
they do find their way to dick sucking ok though
x2.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 21, 2022, 07:05:18 AM
Sorry to hear that.  Not wishing to be morbid, but I'm wondering how you would have despatched it if you had chosen to go back.  I grew up next to a farm and literally next door to his Game Keeper, so I've killed and prepared most smaller animals... but a big kangaroo?  Garrotte?  With you being in Australia you presumably wouldn't have a firearm?  Just realised you might not want to answer this question LOL please ignore if that's the case  ;D

I thought about running over his head. Truck is about 4.5 ton. Also have a hammer on board. Both options were too confronting for my vagina, so I just kept driving.

It's not like I didn't have a chance to turn around, either. Truck conked out a few kilometers down the road. Some part of him had knocked loose the fuel/water separator cup so diesel was draining out. Took me a few minutes to right it and I still didn't go back.

Have a big dog at home, and everything from Rogan bowcasts to the Shrike killer from S1 Hannibal "We'll honor every part of her" was running through my head. Knew I should go back. Still, I didn't go back.


Some animal lover. Not very proud of myself.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Tapeworm on January 21, 2022, 07:08:54 AM
Sorry to hear that.  Not wishing to be morbid, but I'm wondering how you would have despatched it if you had chosen to go back.  I grew up next to a farm and literally next door to his Game Keeper, so I've killed and prepared most smaller animals... but a big kangaroo?  Garrotte?  With you being in Australia you presumably wouldn't have a firearm?  Just realised you might not want to answer this question LOL please ignore if that's the case  ;D

I've been considering raising ducks, chickens, and goats, including breeds for meat. I think I could kill a chicken. Probably a duck. I'm really having my doubts about a goat tho. Like, by hand. No firearm. Idk if I've got it in me.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: MCWAY on January 21, 2022, 07:16:14 AM
.

Don't forget the whole mask thing. Big Tech was banning and blocking anyone who said that either masks didn't work (the very thing the CDC said two years ago) or that the only masks that are worth anything are the N95 ones.

Now, we get yet another flip-flop and it's N95 masks getting shipped out by the feds, left and right.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Kwon on January 21, 2022, 09:02:30 AM
I have NO idea what you're trying to say here.

Are you drunk again.

 :(

simply not true

If vaccines work then vaccinated people would spread more virus as they dont get symptoms
an unvaccinated person would get symptoms and as such no go out spreading the virus

you cant have it both ways, do vaccines work or not?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 21, 2022, 09:08:46 AM
primes pretty brain-damaged
not sure how folks like him get through life
they do find their way to dick sucking ok though

It's not his fault boomers and boomers alike like him were born with the mainstream saugage in their mouths
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Dave D on January 21, 2022, 10:00:46 AM
Internet trolls are generally pathetic losers who have no life. The attention they get on the Internet validates them.

Let’s not bring Shizzo into this.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 21, 2022, 11:24:55 AM
simply not true

If vaccines work then vaccinated people would spread more virus as they dont get symptoms
an unvaccinated person would get symptoms and as such no go out spreading the virus

you cant have it both ways, do vaccines work or not?

The best they can offer at this point is the non falsifiable argument that they kinda work for a few months keeping you from getting sicker than you otherwise would’ve gotten.

In reality, they’re clearly useless:


France reports nearly half a million new cases, a record increase; Italy records 228,179 daily infections – as it happened | Coronavirus | The Guardian


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/jan/18/coronavirus-news-live-poland-enters-fifth-covid-wave-australia-reports-record-daily-death-toll
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Thin Lizzy on January 21, 2022, 11:30:47 AM
Much like Moderna’s stock price the narrative has completely collapsed. If you didn’t want it, you were supposed to get it anyway to protect others. With record infections that’s obviously not the case.

But what about burdening the health care system? Healthy people weren’t stressing the system with the more virulent strain. So, why would this be the case with the milder one?


Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Skylge on January 21, 2022, 11:36:39 AM
yup like johnny rotten once said:  ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
total buffoonery from day 1
watching the sheep has been comical though
now many are getting buyers remorse
especially those killed by the vaccine (family members at least, dead dont know hey are dead)
i knew 2 personally


Funny you uploaded the Czech Republic photo, this Czech singer thought getting Covid on purpose was a bright idea:

jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/article-694194 (http://jpost.com/health-and-wellness/coronavirus/article-694194)

(https://assets-jpcust.jwpsrv.com/thumbnails/gw5jnzd7-720.jpg)

The folk singing Einstein choked to death in 10 minutes hahaha

 ;D

China: 1
Czech Republic: zero.

Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: ThisisOverload on January 21, 2022, 11:38:16 AM
I've been considering raising ducks, chickens, and goats, including breeds for meat. I think I could kill a chicken. Probably a duck. I'm really having my doubts about a goat tho. Like, by hand. No firearm. Idk if I've got it in me.

I grew up on a farm.

At first it's hard to kill an animal with your hands, but after you do it a few times it's no big deal.

Part of growing up was all children had to start killing the chickens, hogs and deer. The cows were done at the slaughter house down the road. Chickens you just wring the neck, it's easier than trying to cut the head off. Larger animals we shot in the head with a rifle.

When i was 8 years old i shot a deer and broke its spine, but it was still alive and couldn't really move. My grandfather made me go step on its head and cut its throat. To teach me to shoot better. I could have just shot it in the head, but he wasn't going to let me get away easy.

I remember that moment and feeling still today, 36 years later.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: AbrahamG on January 21, 2022, 06:25:04 PM
I accidentally killed a rabbit once as a child.  My grandma made me dispose of it.  I was sobbing like a pussy.  Have not killed anything since save for insects.
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: thebrink on January 21, 2022, 06:32:37 PM
I grew up on a farm.

At first it's hard to kill an animal with your hands, but after you do it a few times it's no big deal.

Part of growing up was all children had to start killing the chickens, hogs and deer. The cows were done at the slaughter house down the road. Chickens you just wring the neck, it's easier than trying to cut the head off. Larger animals we shot in the head with a rifle.

When i was 8 years old i shot a deer and broke its spine, but it was still alive and couldn't really move. My grandfather made me go step on its head and cut its throat. To teach me to shoot better. I could have just shot it in the head, but he wasn't going to let me get away easy.

I remember that moment and feeling still today, 36 years later.

Yeah? You ever kill a cow with your bare hands?
Title: Re: What's the point of vaccines if you can still get infected
Post by: Never1AShow on January 21, 2022, 06:34:25 PM
I thought about running over his head. Truck is about 4.5 ton. Also have a hammer on board. Both options were too confronting for my vagina, so I just kept driving.


This is why I come here.  It never occurred to me that there are people who kill kangaroos to put them out of their misery (rightfully).  But don't be so hard on yourself, these actions would have done more damage to your psyche long term anyway.  He'll probably still live a long life and probably just need to use a CPAP machine to sleep.