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https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/over-half-the-deaths-seen-by-this
very similar to what the local guy here told me that i went to school with.
huge increase in 'unexpected's' and 'suddens"
Summary
Fifteen embalmers are all seeing odd fatal clotting in people that first started in 2021. As many as 65% of cases are affected. Just like the DMED data, this evidence is being totally ignored by the mainstream press and medical community as well as the CDC and other HHS agencies. The only explanation that fits all the facts is that the vaccines are killing Americans in massive numbers and should be immediately halted.
i personally know 3 vax deaths, and zero covid deaths
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Dr. Roger Hodkinson [watch him on Rumble] has stated that there has been a 40% increase in deaths among people aged 20-40, according to life insurance companies, based on payouts.
They have no reason to lie about that data.
Incidentally, I found out one of the most recent three Covid deaths in my city - she was just under 30, but has a LOT of comorbidities.
So she wasn't a Covid death - but rather...a "Covid death", as usual.
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Deaths among Americans aged 40-64 are up 40% according to the CEO of a life insurance company in Indiana:
https://www.reddit.com/r/banned4life/comments/rv332l/oneamerica_life_insurance_ceo_scott_davison/
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No mainstream media coverage? ???
https://thecovidworld.com/insurance-company-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-in-the-us-among-people-ages-18-64/
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One friend of mine who had to get vaxxed because of work, is now complaining about numb legs. He sits with us, when he stands up he is like fucked up legs wise. As a friend I tell him the vaxx is no big deal, it happens just because of the cold weather and his weird sitting position. Soon, I have to tell him wassup
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One friend of mine who had to get vaxxed because of work, is now complaining about numb legs. He sits with us, when he stands up he is like fucked up legs wise. As a friend I tell him the vaxx is no big deal, it happens just because of the cold weather and his weird sitting position. Soon, I have to tell him wassup
Do you think it was caused by the vaccine?
The story I linked to above was covered by no mainstream news networks as far as I know, except for this FOX News affiliate in Spokane:
https://www.fox28spokane.com/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/
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Do you think it was caused by the vaccine?
The story I linked to above was covered by no mainstream news networks as far as I know, except for this FOX News affiliate in Spokane:
https://www.fox28spokane.com/indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-among-people-ages-18-64/
This guy never complained about his legs being numb. After 2 days of being vaccinated he does. There's nothing new to his situation but the vaccine. My friend, went from a cardio behemoth to a numb legs guys in a matter of days.
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One friend of mine who had to get vaxxed because of work, is now complaining about numb legs. He sits with us, when he stands up he is like fucked up legs wise. As a friend I tell him the vaxx is no big deal, it happens just because of the cold weather and his weird sitting position. Soon, I have to tell him wassup
Maybe more sciatica/pinched nerves than blood clot
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Maybe more sciatica/pinched nerves than blood clot
It is whatever it is. To me it's tied to the vaxx. My friend, was coerced to get jabbed and is now living all fine, walking just about fine, just like any late 20's is supposed to but he is complaing about legs being numb everytime he stands.
I see him shaking them legs, complaing about a cold we don't even know existence of. I just hope it's not going to get worse.
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No mainstream media coverage? ???
https://thecovidworld.com/insurance-company-ceo-says-deaths-are-up-40-in-the-us-among-people-ages-18-64/
Imagine that deaths of that cohort were up 40% because of a novel coronavirus – that would be news. There’s nothing sexy about an unexplained uptick in deaths, so it remains buried. There are so many stories yet to be written about the last 30 months.
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My message is just the evidence of something that happened, that I witnessed. It just the aches of something that used to burn well and it doesn't. I wrote it for the fuck sake of someone that's functional and is considering the jab.
You want the message to reach to the people. In these days, you can do everything it sounds good, and only a few people will say in their most excellent manner, that they got the message. Nobody is willing to come forward.
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This guy never complained about his legs being numb. After 2 days of being vaccinated he does. There's nothing new to his situation but the vaccine. My friend, went from a cardio behemoth to a numb legs guys in a matter of days.
Could be related to a variety of factors. The World has endured two years of nonsense, that stress alone could be attributed to the uptick in deaths. Who knows, China still hasn’t been held accountable and never will be.
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this has to be the worst thread of misinformation and lies yet.
do a google search on Steve Kirsch: the guy spreads lies misinformation and false data (and huge statistical errors) about covid vaccines.
unreal.
the vaccines aren't killing massive numbers at all. deaths are extremely rare. like really really rare.
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this has to be the worst thread of misinformation and lies yet.
do a google search on Steve Kirsch: the guy spreads lies misinformation and false data (and huge statistical errors) about covid vaccines.
unreal.
the vaccines aren't killing massive numbers at all. deaths are extremely rare. like really really rare.
And what about Scott Davidson, the president and CEO of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica, who said that the death rate in Indiana is up by 40% from pre-pandemic levels, among people aged 40-64?:
https://rumble.com/vs43i3-scott-davidson-ceo-of-oneamerica-insurance-shares-the-data-on-death-rates-i.html
Is he wrong too?
Just so I understand you - if Steve Kirsch quotes Einstein, would Steve be wrong, even if he's quoting Einstein, who is obviously right?
That's why I went directly to the primary source, Hulkster. So you can't use smears to refute it - since that's your style: all ad hominem and no trousers.
CEO Scott Davidson made his statement during an online news conference that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.
How about this one, Hulkster - why does a woman who never fainted in her entire life, suddenly faint? You don't just become a fainter later in life doing something you've done hundreds of times before under identical conditions. So what changed?:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZvUU11AtDg/
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Brutal if true
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Brutal if true
No.
Deadly if true.
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this has to be the worst thread of misinformation and lies yet.
do a google search on Steve Kirsch: the guy spreads lies misinformation and false data (and huge statistical errors) about covid vaccines.
unreal.
the vaccines aren't killing massive numbers at all. deaths are extremely rare. like really really rare.
"a google search'
lol
what a moron
you mean the censoring propaganda machine for the left that censors and defames anyone who's thoughts rival theirs?? that google?
ok prime, ill get right on that
i may as well got read everything by facebook 'fact-checckers too, aay?
lol
lol
ha ha ha ha
google ::)
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this has to be the worst thread of misinformation and lies yet.
do a google search on Steve Kirsch: the guy spreads lies misinformation and false data (and huge statistical errors) about covid vaccines.
unreal.
the vaccines aren't killing massive numbers at all. deaths are extremely rare. like really really rare.
All deaths today are caused by the vaccines.
Be it in Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan etc
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"a google search'
lol
what a moron
you mean the censoring propaganda machine for the left that censors and defames anyone who's thoughts rival theirs?? that google?
ok prime, ill get right on that
i may as well got read everything by facebook 'fact-checckers too, aay?
lol
lol
ha ha ha ha
google ::)
classic antivaxxer/covid denier logic:
when presented with facts that debunk their lies and misinformation, choose to ignore the facts. continue to spread lies and misinformation.
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And what about Scott Davidson, the president and CEO of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica, who said that the death rate in Indiana is up by 40% from pre-pandemic levels, among people aged 40-64?:
https://rumble.com/vs43i3-scott-davidson-ceo-of-oneamerica-insurance-shares-the-data-on-death-rates-i.html
Is he wrong too?
Just so I understand you - if Steve Kirsch quotes Einstein, would Steve be wrong, even if he's quoting Einstein, who is obviously right?
That's why I went directly to the primary source, Hulkster. So you can't use smears to refute it - since that's your style: all ad hominem and no trousers.
CEO Scott Davidson made his statement during an online news conference that was organized by the Indiana Chamber of Commerce.
How about this one, Hulkster - why does a woman who never fainted in her entire life, suddenly faint? You don't just become a fainter later in life doing something you've done hundreds of times before under identical conditions. So what changed?:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CZvUU11AtDg/
actually yes he is. very wrong in fact:
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-supreme-court-entertainment-business-health-fad50abe43bfbb0fe0f4c9c052397601
Even as millions of people got vaccinated against COVID-19 in 2021, reports of death after vaccination remain extremely rare, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. One blog post circulating widely online this month claims that a rise in deaths in the third quarter of 2021, about six months after COVID-19 vaccines became widely available, “offers further evidence that something is very wrong with these vaccines.” Other posts misrepresented comments made by Scott Davison, the CEO of the Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica. Davison said in a press conference in late December that his firm saw a 40% rise in death rates among working-age individuals insured under its group life policy in the third quarter of 2021. Some posts used that statistic to falsely imply vaccines were to blame. But 65% of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to the AP, citing CDC data. “Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care and individuals who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies,” Davison said. Catherine Theroux, a spokesperson for the insurance industry-funded research group LIMRA, said the firm doesn’t have concrete data through the end of 2021, but CDC data indicates the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus likely contributed to the increase in deaths.
keep spouting the lies and misinformation.
I will show you how all of it is wrong.
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Hulkster 2024 - No homo. ;D
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https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245101
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https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/over-half-the-deaths-seen-by-this
very similar to what the local guy here told me that i went to school with.
huge increase in 'unexpected's' and 'suddens"
Summary
Fifteen embalmers are all seeing odd fatal clotting in people that first started in 2021. As many as 65% of cases are affected. Just like the DMED data, this evidence is being totally ignored by the mainstream press and medical community as well as the CDC and other HHS agencies. The only explanation that fits all the facts is that the vaccines are killing Americans in massive numbers and should be immediately halted.
i personally know 3 vax deaths, and zero covid deaths
Look at the deaths of players in 2021 compared to other years after the vax
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
I’m pro vax and believe it helps more people than it hurts but to pretend myocarditis in athletes especially young men isn’t a thing is criminal
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Although I don't like the need for ominous music in videos [I think that's there to brainwash those watching them], but I thought snippets of this video that I saw were very good:
https://rumble.com/vtohrt-cabal-19-ep3-klaus-schwab-and-the-truth-about-covid-by-top-experts-war-pigs.html
Lots of sources of information, and references to other good material to watch, on this topic. I haven't looked into Planet Lockdown yet [possibly a content channel, or possibly a documentary about our current situation - so I will be looking into it now, after seeing it mentioned in the video above].
Rumble is going to displace YouTube, if YouTube continues to censor to the extent that they do.
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Look at the deaths of players in 2021 compared to other years after the vax
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
I’m pro vax and believe it helps more people than it hurts but to pretend myocarditis in athletes especially young men isn’t a thing is criminal
Basically, you don't want to be in a half marathon (about the distance a professional soccer player covers during a game) after taking a shot of that arrhythmia-causing bullshit in a syringe if you are healthy.
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covid vaccines both deadly and corrupt
Merk killed over 60,000 people with Viox. Pfizer paid a $1.3 billion fine for Bextra. Pfizer has been repeatedly fined for bribery. These are not pharmaceutical companies, they are criminal drug cartels. There is no line between the boards of these cartels and our regulatory agencies. There are about a half dozen people at NIAID who are getting $150K/year royalties from Moderna, there may be ACIP members as well...I don't recall. NIAID owns 50% of the royalties for the Moderna mRNA shot. I could do this all day and still not scratch the surface. And people actually trust the racket to do what is in their best interest, fucking insane to the maximum. The virus was obviously made for the "cure". The treatment is part of the final solution. Look at what is happening in Israel, case counts at all time highs. There was a day a few weeks ago that Israel had more cases in one day then they had in the sum of 2021. Daily COVID deaths in Israel - all time highs. Israel is maybe the most vaxxed and boosted country on Earth.
Here is a quick summary of some pharma cartel fines. I wonder if the true believers understand who they are trusting their health to. You'd be just as well off letting a child molester babysit your little kids.
https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma
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actually yes he is. very wrong in fact:
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-supreme-court-entertainment-business-health-fad50abe43bfbb0fe0f4c9c052397601
keep spouting the lies and misinformation.
I will show you how all of it is wrong.
From your quoted blurb:
But 65% of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to the AP, citing CDC data. “Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care and individuals who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies,” Davison said. Catherine Theroux, a spokesperson for the insurance industry-funded research group LIMRA, said the firm doesn’t have concrete data through the end of 2021, but CDC data indicates the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus likely contributed to the increase in deaths.
As you can see from the third image attached below, there are 42,550,000 Americans aged 15-24.
IN TOTAL, there have been 3,500 Covid deaths between Americans aged 15-29, *since the pandemic started*. If other sources say 3,700 or 4,000 - post them, and I'll recalculate these figures, based on the data that goes most AGAINST my view of this pandemic [just to show you that Covid alone is not enough to account for 100% of the increase in all-cause mortality that we are currently seeing].
See the first image attached below, from the CDC [link below]: it states that in the 15-24 age group, the death rate in 2020 went up to 84.2 per 100,000 population, from 69.7 deaths per 100,000 in 2019.
That's 14.5 additional deaths per 100,000 people in the 15-24 category. That means that out of 42,550,000 Americans aged 14-25, with 14.5 additional deaths per 100K of that 42.55M population, that means the USA had 6,169.75 additional/excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019.
Now Hulkster - since there have only been 3,500 Covid deaths among Americans aged 15-24 IN TOTAL, we can assume 1,750 happened in 2020 [but if you have the 2020 age mortality data for C-19, please share it]. Heck, even IF all 3,500 deaths happened in 2020, how does that explain the additional 2,669.75 deaths??
And the reason why I used the 15-24 age demographic is because I don't see any evidence of "Long Covid", and children barely die of Covid anyway...so it seems really strange to me that they would be dying of "Long Covid" when the actual virus rarely kills them.
One last point, Hulkster - how do you know those deaths are "Long Covid"??
The reason why I rule Long Covid out is because I have yet to see ANY evidence about it, confirmed in the literature.
Your point about deaths caused by people avoiding other treatments makes sense though. But that's my point - look at all the problems are being caused by everyone living in fear over Covid?!
REFS:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db427.htm#section_3
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm#section_3
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hulkster [/b]link=topic=677187.msg9729193#msg9729193 date=1644481728]
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-us-supreme-court-entertainment-business-health-fad50abe43bfbb0fe0f4c9c052397601
keep spouting the lies and misinformation.
I will show you how all of it is wrong.
the white-knight for big-gov and fda.
the globalist fighter/hero!!
what a moron!!! lol
"i will show you" ::)
ha ha ha ha hah lol lol lol ha ha ha ha hah lol lol lol
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From Hulkster's quoted blurb:
But 65% of the excess deaths in the U.S. in the third quarter of 2021 were caused by COVID-19, Davison said in a statement to the AP, citing CDC data. “Based on the data and our analysis, we believe that a significant portion of the remaining excess deaths are driven by deferred medical care and individuals who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies,” Davison said. Catherine Theroux, a spokesperson for the insurance industry-funded research group LIMRA, said the firm doesn’t have concrete data through the end of 2021, but CDC data indicates the highly contagious delta variant of the coronavirus likely contributed to the increase in deaths.
There have been 203,870 Covid deaths in total, among Americans aged 40-64 [see previous attachment].
There were 577,270 deaths of Americans aged 40-64 in 2017.
In Canada, Covid deaths were almost exactly the same in both 2020 and 2021. Just slightly higher in 2020. So let's just say the same is true for the USA - and let's just say that 103,870 of those 203,870 Covid deaths happened in 2020.
Ok, so 577,270 deaths in the 40-64 age group would be normal - but now with Covid, we have to add 103,870.
So the new total is 681,140 deaths, which should have been closer to 577,270 [which is what the 40-64 total American deaths were in 2017, a pretty average year, amongst recent years].
Well, Hulkster - here's the thing:
That's only an increase of 17.99%, that we can attribute directly to Covid [call it 18%].
So what about the other 22%, Hulkster?
Are you saying all of those deaths were from postponing getting medical treatment due to Covid [which I could believe], or due to "Long Covid"? Based on what evidence?
Other than speculation, what are you claiming as actual empirical evidence for "Long Covid"?
Lastly, the increased deaths among younger people is really the most telling to me, that something else is going on here...
Children are NOT dying at Covid at high rates AT ALL. Among children who die, 61% are SEVERELY obese! So...seeing the death rate go up in younger groups...I have NO reason to believe that's from Covid.
It could be the vaccine.
But it also could be not getting healthcare due to the current situation - as your quoted blurb stated.
It could also be drug overdose deaths...suicides...many different things.
Once that data comes in, I will do a more extensive mathematical analysis on these excess deaths. "Long Covid" is just a copout, IMO.
I heard that the UN did not release the overall excess mortality data for 2021 yet, for some reason...I wonder why?
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vax is greatly outperforming any in history when it comes to killing
https://vaersanalysis.info/2022/02/04/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-01-28-2022/
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i would guess the real number to much greater
this is only the 'reported'
jab-up retards, jab-up
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the white-knight for big-gov and fda.
the globalist fighter/hero!!
what a moron!!! lol
"i will show you" ::)
ha ha ha ha hah lol lol lol ha ha ha ha hah lol lol lol
My favourite part is when he said that the excess deaths not explained by Covid deaths could be explained by "Long Covid" deaths - hahahahahahaha!!!
Please.
EVERYTHING is classified as Covid as it is - if people "who recover from COVID but later die from the toll COVID has taken on their bodies" was the issue here - those deaths WOULD be classified as Covid deaths!
How can you die of Covid, after beating it and having antibodies from it?! I don't even get what this person is trying to say? If someone dies of Covid, in a slow and drawn out way, that IS classified as a Covid death.
But that's the thing - Covid deaths alone DO NOT explain the excess deaths. I don't know exactly what IS causing these deaths - but I'd say it is a combination of additional drug overdoses caused by lockdowns, suicides [which went up by 16% in Japan in 2020], and deferred medical care [biopsies/cancer screenings, other], and people who were scared of going to the hospital during the pandemic, and stayed home while having a heart attack, and eventually died.
I don't think "Long Covid" [which, need I remind Hulkster, there is NO evidence for] is the cause of these excess deaths.
So why is mortality up 40% in the 40-64 age range?
It sure as hell isn't Covid. So what is it?
In any case, it's just starting. Maybe this is the "next" pandemic that Bill Gates was smirking about, in that interview where he was sitting with his manly ex-wife? Does Bill know something we don't? ???
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safe and effective
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Basically, you don't want to be in a half marathon (about the distance a professional soccer player covers during a game) after taking a shot of that arrhythmia-causing bullshit in a syringe if you are healthy.
Yup, that’s the “data/science” like it or not
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If the truth ever goes mainstream there are going to be a lot of pissed off sheeple.
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Everyone I personally know who has gotten the Clotshot and a booster or two is now experiencing issues. They range from fainting spells, shortness of breath, chronic neck pains, rashes and even hearing loss in one ear. I've known these people for years. Never saw anything like this happen to so many simultaneously.
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Everyone I personally know who has gotten the Clotshot and a booster or two is now experiencing issues. They range from fainting spells, shortness of breath, chronic neck pains, rashes and even hearing loss in one ear. I've known these people for years. Never saw anything like this happen to so many simultaneously.
Wow! That’s interesting.
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https://greatmountainpublishing.com/2022/02/08/life-insurance-company-refuses-to-pay-out-life-insurance-policy-because-death-was-from-experimental-covid-19-vaccine/
even those that comply are getting porked in the behind
Life Insurance Company Refuses to Pay Out Life Insurance Policy Because Death Was From Experimental COVID-19 Vaccine
did someone say "porked in the behind"??
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LOL
Nice try.
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Everyone I personally know who has gotten the Clotshot and a booster or two is now experiencing issues. They range from fainting spells, shortness of breath, chronic neck pains, rashes and even hearing loss in one ear. I've known these people for years. Never saw anything like this happen to so many simultaneously.
Same here.
One had to go to the hospital (heartproblems) and another had his arm paralyzed and almost lost sight (everything was a fog) for 2 weeks after taking the vaccine (Moderna and Pfizer)
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If the truth ever goes mainstream there are going to be a lot of pissed off sheeple.
99% of all Medical Doctors were fooled but you “figured it out” by reading your Twitter Feed.
That’s interesting.
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LOL
Nice try.
;)
"Fact checkers say"
;D
https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/
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99% of all Medical Doctors were fooled but you “figured it out” by reading your Twitter Feed.
That’s interesting.
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Anyone questioning the "science" normally gets the " so you know more than the doctors and scientists?"
Let me give you an example
in 2019 I was diagnosed with kidney stones that I was told required surgery, I had researched myself and argued that lithotripsy could get rid of the stones but was told I was wrong and had to have surgery.
I almost died.
I then saw another consultant who told me I had to have surgery, I made my argument again initially to no avail, eventually he agreed to perform the non evasive method against his professional judgement
the treatment worked after 5 treatments even though he told me it could take around 16
Moral of the story is
Either your argument is valid or it isnt
It makes no difference who the source is
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Anyone questioning the "science" normally gets the " so you know more than the doctors and scientists?"
Let me give you an example
in 2019 I was diagnosed with kidney stones that I was told required surgery, I had researched myself and argued that lithotripsy could get rid of the stones but was told I was wrong and had to have surgery.
I almost died.
I then saw another consultant who told me I had to have surgery, I made my argument again initially to no avail, eventually he agreed to perform the non evasive method against his professional judgement
the treatment worked after 5 treatments even though he told me it could take around 16
Moral of the story is
Either your argument is valid or it isnt
It makes no difference who the source is
Fair enough.
Kidney stones are challenging to treat and can be life threatening. But 99% of all Doctors in the world weren’t telling you to get surgery.
When you did research did you take the advice of non medically trained twitter posters or did you take the opinions of other Doctors?
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Anyone questioning the "science" normally gets the " so you know more than the doctors and scientists?"
Let me give you an example
in 2019 I was diagnosed with kidney stones that I was told required surgery, I had researched myself and argued that lithotripsy could get rid of the stones but was told I was wrong and had to have surgery.
I almost died.
I then saw another consultant who told me I had to have surgery, I made my argument again initially to no avail, eventually he agreed to perform the non evasive method against his professional judgement
the treatment worked after 5 treatments even though he told me it could take around 16
Moral of the story is
Either your argument is valid or it isnt
It makes no difference who the source is
I’ve got stones also. Haven’t had an issue with them for about six years. Shit can hit at anytime.
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When you did research did you take the advice of non medically trained twitter posters or did you take the opinions of other Doctors?
I would like to hear the opinion of a German doctor ,in 1940, about Jews.
It is impossibel to be a doctor and against the vaccination. You will loose your Job 100%.
Bring arguments, not smart people who know it better.
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I would like to hear the opinion of a German doctor ,in 1940, about Jews.
It is impossibel to be a doctor and against the vaccination. You will loose your Job 100%.
Bring arguments, not smart people who know it better.
10,000,000 Medical Doctors worldwide ALL would have lost their job if they didn’t endorse the vaccine?
Seems legit.
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Wow! That’s interesting.
Eat shit you fucking twat, Howard, lol
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Fair enough.
Kidney stones are challenging to treat and can be life threatening. But 99% of all Doctors in the world weren’t telling you to get surgery.
When you did research did you take the advice of non medically trained twitter posters or did you take the opinions of other Doctors?
99% - hahahahahaha
As in 99% of JOAK'S post are bullshit, lol.
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I’ve got stones also. Haven’t had an issue with them for about six years. Shit can hit at anytime.
Everyone on planet earth has kidney stones. It's when they start moving that it is a problem. Often triggered by the acidity of urine dropping below 6.
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10,000,000 Medical Doctors worldwide
That is just your guessing.
Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:
"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"
The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.
^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..
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That is just your guessing.
Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:
"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"
The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.
^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..
This rogue doctor must be a quack.
When have the media or government ever lied to the public?
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"matt like" post reported
you vax-clowns are a joke, my great natural immunity kills your clot-shot.
in 3 dirty gym at different times of the week, never needed the mask, etc
i did get the flu once, after getting the flu-vax of course
never took the jab again, never got the flu again
Denial of Natural Immunity in Vaccine Mandates Unprecedented
https://www.theepochtimes.com/denial-of-natural-immunity-in-vaccine-mandates-unprecedented_4272075.html?utm_source=healthnoe&utm_campaign=health-2022-02-12&utm_medium=email&est=MkhPHAN%2BGT3x80EUxWpLthfvJpnGjlo4LcV6%2FpvgXNt%2BYHXcDZ4BRUEwe3aVOA%3D%3D
COVID-19 injection mandates raise glaring questions, with a key one revolving around natural immunity. Your immune system is designed to work in response to exposure to an infectious agent. Your adaptive immune system, specifically, generates antibodies that are used to fight pathogens that your body has previously encountered.
If you’ve had COVID-19, the research is strong that you’re well protected against reinfection. New data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention even show that prior COVID-19 infection, i.e., natural immunity, is more protective than COVID-19 injections.
However, people with natural immunity continue to be discriminated against and are still expected to get double- or triple-jabbed in order to comply with vaccine mandates — an unprecedented move in history.
‘Unprecedented’ Denial of Natural Immunity
The U.S. Supreme Court recently upheld a vaccine mandate at the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Service (CMS), which is part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The mandate affects 10.4 million health care workers employed at 76,000 medical facilities, making no exceptions for those who have natural immunity to COVID-19 due to prior infection.
Speaking with The Epoch Times, Dr. Scott Atlas, a former White House COVID-19 Task Force adviser, called the SCOTUS ruling “another denial of scientific fact,” adding:
“Our continued denial of superior protection in recovered individuals, with or without vaccination, compared to vaccinated individuals who’ve never had the infection … the denial of that is simply unprecedented in modern history. Proven fact and decades of fundamental immunology are somehow denied. If we are a society where the leaders repeatedly deny the fact, I’m very concerned about the future of such a society.”
While upholding the vaccine mandate for medical facilities that accept Medicare or Medicaid payments, SCOTUS blocked a White House mandate that would have required private companies with 100 or more employees to ensure staff have gotten a COVID-19 injection or were tested regularly for COVID-19 — or face steep fines.
The Labor Department’s Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) was supposed to be in charge of enforcing the rule, which would have affected more than 80 million U.S. workers. Of their decision, the court noted:
“Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly. Requiring the vaccination of 84 million Americans, selected simply because they work for employers with more than 100 employees, certainly falls in the latter category.”
Despite the private business vaccine mandate being struck down, the White House urged states and businesses to voluntarily enact sweeping vaccine mandates, again ignoring the fact that many people are already naturally immune.
World No. 1 tennis player Novak Djokovic is a prime example — despite previously having COVID-19, and therefore having acquired natural immunity, he was barred from playing at the Australian Open because he didn’t get the COVID-19 injection.
Natural COVID-19 Immunity Superior to Shot-Derived Immunity
Data from New York and California health officials, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, show that people who had previously had COVID-19 were far better protected against COVID-19 infection with the Delta variant than people who had been jabbed. The report states:
“By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.
During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These results demonstrate that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalization, and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection and related hospitalization.
Importantly, infection-derived protection was higher after the Delta variant became predominant, a time when vaccine-induced immunity for many persons declined because of immune evasion and immunologic waning.”
In another study, researchers reviewed studies published in PubMed and found that the risk of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 decreased by 80.5% to 100% among people who had previously had COVID-19. Additional research cited in their review found:
Among 9,119 people who had previously had COVID-19, only 0.7% became reinfected.
At the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio, the incidence rate of COVID-19 among those who had not previously been infected was 4.3 per 100 people; the COVID-19 incidence rate among those who had previously been infected was zero per 100 people.
The frequency of hospitalization due to a repeated COVID-19 infection was five per14,840 people, or .03%, according to an Austrian study; the frequency of death due to a repeated infection was one per 14,840 people, or .01%.
Given these findings, the researchers concluded that previous infection status should be documented and recovered patients counseled on their risk for reinfection. They stated:
“Given the evidence of immunity from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, however, policy makers should consider recovery from previous SARS-CoV-2 infection equal to immunity from vaccination for purposes related to entry to public events, businesses, and the workplace, or travel requirements.”
It’s Rare to Get Reinfected by SARS-CoV-2
In a letter to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Roberto Bertollini of the Ministry of Public Health in Doha, Qatar, and colleagues estimated the efficacy of natural immunity against reinfection by comparing data in the national cohort.
They found that immunity acquired from previous infection was 92.3% effective against reinfection with the beta variant and 97.6% effective against reinfection with the alpha variant. Protection persisted even one year after the primary infection.
Researchers from Ireland also conducted a systematic review including 615,777 people who had recovered from COVID-19, with a maximum duration of follow-up of more than 10 months. “Reinfection was an uncommon event,” they noted, “… with no study reporting an increase in the risk of reinfection over time.” The absolute reinfection rate ranged from zero percent to 1.1%, while the median reinfection rate was just 0.27%.15,16,17
Another study revealed similarly reassuring results. It followed 43,044 SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positive people for up to 35 weeks, and only 0.7% were reinfected. When genome sequencing was applied to estimate population-level risk of reinfection, the risk was estimated at 0.1%.
Again, there was no indication of waning immunity over seven months of follow-up, with the researchers concluding, “Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months.”
Another study from Israel also had researchers questioning “the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals,” after their analysis showed similar risks of reinfection among those with vaccine-induced or natural immunity. Specifically, vaccination had an overall estimated efficacy of preventing reinfection of 92.8%, compared to 94.8% for natural immunity acquired via prior infection.
Evidence from Washington University School of Medicine also shows long-lasting immunity to COVID-19 exists in those who’ve recovered from the natural infection. At both seven months and 11 months after infection, most of the participants had bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) that secreted antibodies specific for the spike protein encoded by SARS-CoV-2.
The BMPCs were found in amounts similar to those found in people who had been vaccinated against tetanus or diphtheria, which are considered to provide long-lasting immunity. “Overall, our data provide strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans robustly establishes the two arms of humoral immune memory: long-lived BMPCs and memory B cells,” the researchers noted.
This is among the best available evidence of long-lasting immunity, because this immunological memory is a distinct part of the immune system that’s essential to long-term protection, beyond the initial immune response to the virus.
Getting the Shot May Be Worse After Prior Infection
If you’ve had COVID-19, getting injected may pose an even greater risk, to the extent that Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, Ph.D., a cardiac surgeon and patient advocate, has repeatedly warned the FDA that “clear and present danger” exists for those who have had COVID-19 and subsequently get the injection.
At issue are viral antigens that remain in your body after you are naturally infected. The immune response reactivated by the COVID-19 injection can trigger inflammation in tissues where the viral antigens are present. The inner lining of blood vessels, the lungs and the brain may be particularly at risk of such inflammation and damage.25 Writing in Lancet Infectious Diseases, researchers also explained:
“Some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, one study found that previous COVID-19 was associated with increased adverse events following vaccination with the Comirnaty BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech). In addition, there are rare reports of serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination.”
As it stands, the U.S. CDC continues to push universal injections, despite past infection status, and natural immunity is not considered adequate to enter the growing number of venues requiring vaccine passports. This isn’t the case in Switzerland, where residents who have had COVID-19 in the past 12 months are considered to be equally as protected as those who’ve been injected.
The end-goal of vaccine passports, though, isn’t to simply track one shot. Your entire identity, including your medical history, finances, sexual orientation and much more, could soon be stored in a mobile app that’s increasingly required to partake in society. While some might call this convenience, others would call it oppression.
You can fight back against vaccine mandates and their related vaccine passports by not supporting establishments that require proof of a shot or a negative test, and avoiding all digital identities and vaccine ID passports offered as a means of increasing “access” or “convenience.”
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Natural COVID-19 Immunity Superior to Shot-Derived Immunity
Data from New York and California health officials, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, show that people who had previously had COVID-19 were far better protected against COVID-19 infection with the Delta variant than people who had been jabbed. The report states:
“By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.
i wonder if the libs who say to "trust the science" trust these cdc findings??? ^^^^^^^^^^
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The fact that government agencies and the medical establishment is resorting to censorship to control discussion of the issue, in and of itself, tells you there is a major problem with the vaccines.
Any good product sells itself. Any product that does not sell itself is, by definition, a bad product. That they have to coerce people into taking them makes clear they are bad for you. This is just basic horse sense.
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We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.
That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.
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We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.
That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.
To be fair I'm not sure how the CDC or medical establishment could get the fat lazy public to stop stuffing their face with donuts. I think some of this is due to the politically correct fat acceptance movement.
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That is just your guessing.
Dr. Angelique Coetzee, South African doctor about omnicron:
"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home,"
The european union pressured her to this:
I have been asked to refrain from making such statements and to say that it is a serious illness. I declined.
^^ what do you say about this? This is just one example i am sure there are more..
JOAK always resorts to big round fictitious numbers. I say 1,000,000,000 doctors say JOAK is a twat. How can anyone argue with that ;D
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We all know the biggest risk factor for the virus itself (not the vaccines) is obesity. Obesity is an even bigger risk factor than old age. Nearly all people who have died of the virus itself have been obese and/or old. Corona-chan hates fatties.
That the CDC and medical establishment has not been pushing people to work out, loose the weight, and get into shape makes abundantly clear that nothing is on the up and up with this covid-19 business.
And it's not like all fat people died or even morbidly obese died or anything close. Same with old people. Even then it is still a very very small percentage of them, even of the ones who get it. They could have easily focused on the most at risk populations, but instead they went full batshit crazy closing schools and masking kids.
This was always the Big Lie.
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I think some of this is due to the politically correct fat acceptance movement.
No doubt. But they should still be challenging this fat acceptance movement. However, they do not because they, along with all of our other public institutions, are now completely infested with "woke SJW" employees. This will institutionally neutralize them such that they are no longer capable of doing anything useful, whatsoever.
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I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all. Me and three other family members tested positive for COVID this past week, using home tests. There is no requirement for an individual to report a positive test. Doctors are required to though. In fact, it isn't exactly clear where to report it if you wanted to.
Answer me this, since made available last January, how many positive home test never got reported....hmmm, there is no way to know. Chances are quite a few. This suggests there are many more cases of COVID than we know about.
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I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all. Me and three other family members tested positive for COVID this past week, using home tests. There is no requirement for an individual to report a positive test. Doctors are required to though. In fact, it isn't exactly clear where to report it if you wanted to.
Answer me this, since made available last January, how many positive home test never got reported....hmmm, there is no way to know. Chances are quite a few. This suggests there are many more cases of COVID than we know about.
So, how reliable is the test? How can it distinguish between the flu or any other crap? Home tests, PCR - all a scam to keep the thing alive and running.
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I love all these stats as if they are the be all end all.
says the c-unt who cuts/pastes from every libtard site like its gospel ::)
go back to dick-sukking
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Another friend died post-jab. New total:
People I know:
Dead from RONA = 0
Dead from Vax = 4
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Consider how Pfizer and Moderna want until 2076 to release all of the data surrounding the drug trials for the covid-19 shots. If this is not a clear indicator that fraud was committed during those trials, I don't know what is.
Everything about these covid-19 vaccines smells like a rat.
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In a court of law, if a witness is caught lying on the stand, it is up to the jurors to decide if anything that witness has said is the truth or if everything that witness has said is a lie.
The government and its agencies and medical experts have lied many times. They lied about the food pyramid. They lied about the value of high carbohydrate diets. They lied about Thimerosal used in vaccines and other medical products such as contact lense solutions. They lied about the infamous Framingham Study. They lied about the reasons for the Vietnam War and fabricated the "incident" that was used as justification for that war. Given their pattern of lying and obfuscation, is it not reasonable to assume everything they have said about covid-19 and the vaccines are lies as well? As a private citizen and tax payers, you are a "juror" in a case where the main witness has a 50+ year history of telling lies. Is it not reasonable to assume that the witness in question is lying about these matters as well?
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Q: How can you tell if a politician or a medical expert is lying?
A: Their lips are moving.
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In a court of law, if a witness is caught lying on the stand, it is up to the jurors to decide if anything that witness has said is the truth or if everything that witness has said is a lie.
The government and its agencies and medical experts have lied many times. They lied about the food pyramid. They lied about the value of high carbohydrate diets. They lied about Thimerosal used in vaccines and other medical products such as contact lense solutions. They lied about the infamous Framingham Study. They lied about the reasons for the Vietnam War and fabricated the "incident" that was used as justification for that war. Given their pattern of lying and obfuscation, is it not reasonable to assume everything they have said about covid-19 and the vaccines are lies as well? As a private citizen and tax payers, you are a "juror" in a case where the main witness has a 50+ year history of telling lies. Is it not reasonable to assume that the witness in question is lying about these matters as well?
Same thing when a guy marries a woman with a promiscious past and thinks she's a changed woman now that she's with him lol.
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stuff is coming out
this cluster is going to go down as one of the biggest crimes in history, with lots of dead-vaxxed folks
and the dummies who support this, you got something wrong with you
you want to take it fine, leave others alone, its not affecting your health
the fat obese-kunts who are dying from this are the ones who should have been harrassed, not healthy folks who dont need it.
theyve been pushing our healthcare costs thru the roof for decades
not healthy people (dip shits)
very bizarre NO-IQ activity on the marxist commie-left
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The matter of vaccines in general, not just the covid-19 ones, is not a scientific or medical issue. It is purely a LEGAL issue. Vaccines are the only product manufactured and sold in the United States where the manufacturers enjoy complete immunity from product liability. That means you cannot sue the manufacturer if you are injured by a vaccine. The manufacturers of no other product, including medical ones (remember Vioxx???) enjoy such indemnity from liability. This means by the standards of tort law that as been established over the past 100 years, that vaccines cannot be considered "safe" by any legal standard.
You would drive a car or fly on a plane if the manufacturer was not responsible for product liability if you were killed or injured in an accident? Same for any other medical compound such as Vioxx or high blood pressure meds. Is it not an irrational act to inject yourself with compounds of whom the manufacturers have no liability whatsoever?
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The matter of vaccines in general, not just the covid-19 ones, is not a scientific or medical issue. It is purely a LEGAL issue. Vaccines are the only product manufactured and sold in the United States where the manufacturers enjoy complete immunity from product liability. That means you cannot sue the manufacturer if you are injured by a vaccine. The manufacturers of no other product, including medical ones (remember Vioxx???) enjoy such indemnity from liability. This means by the standards of tort law that as been established over the past 100 years, that vaccines cannot be considered "safe" by any legal standard.
You would drive a car or fly on a plane if the manufacturer was not responsible for product liability if you were killed or injured in an accident? Same for any other medical compound such as Vioxx or high blood pressure meds. Is it not an irrational act to inject yourself with compounds of whom the manufacturers have no liability whatsoever?
Why do you suppose vaccines enjoy indemnity from liability? Specially when it means state governments are liable. There are potentially 51 different sets of rules regarding vaccine liability in the United States. Could it be that no company would manufacture them if there was the risk of being sued?
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The matter of vaccines in general, not just the covid-19 ones, is not a scientific or medical issue. It is purely a LEGAL issue. Vaccines are the only product manufactured and sold in the United States where the manufacturers enjoy complete immunity from product liability. That means you cannot sue the manufacturer if you are injured by a vaccine. The manufacturers of no other product, including medical ones (remember Vioxx???) enjoy such indemnity from liability. This means by the standards of tort law that as been established over the past 100 years, that vaccines cannot be considered "safe" by any legal standard.
You would drive a car or fly on a plane if the manufacturer was not responsible for product liability if you were killed or injured in an accident? Same for any other medical compound such as Vioxx or high blood pressure meds. Is it not an irrational act to inject yourself with compounds of whom the manufacturers have no liability whatsoever?
Great point.
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Why do you suppose vaccines enjoy indemnity from liability? Specially when it means state governments are liable. There are potentially 51 different sets of rules regarding vaccine liability in the United States. Could it be that no company would manufacture them if there was the risk of being sued?
Two laws indemnify vaccine manufacturers from liability:
1) The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986
2) The PREP Act of 2005
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The matter of vaccines in general, not just the covid-19 ones, is not a scientific or medical issue. It is purely a LEGAL issue. Vaccines are the only product manufactured and sold in the United States where the manufacturers enjoy complete immunity from product liability. That means you cannot sue the manufacturer if you are injured by a vaccine. The manufacturers of no other product, including medical ones (remember Vioxx???) enjoy such indemnity from liability. This means by the standards of tort law that as been established over the past 100 years, that vaccines cannot be considered "safe" by any legal standard.
You would drive a car or fly on a plane if the manufacturer was not responsible for product liability if you were killed or injured in an accident? Same for any other medical compound such as Vioxx or high blood pressure meds. Is it not an irrational act to inject yourself with compounds of whom the manufacturers have no liability whatsoever?
Exactly.
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Two laws indemnify vaccine manufacturers from liability:
1) The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986
2) The PREP Act of 2005
You neglected to mention 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 which went into effect in 1988 which also protects vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits.
Then there is the VICP which also went into effect at about the same time. It has paid out approximately $4.5 billion in claims since it concept.
Unless an extension is granted the exemption that Moderna and Pfizer currently enjoy ends in 2024.
In 2005 the PREP Act created the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) which has paid out very little in damages since it's concept.
Suing a drug manufacturer is very difficult because winning a lawsuit is often about the side that can afford the best legal team. The Stackler family sort of got off the hook. In exchange for $4.3 billion and forfeiting ownership of Purdue Pharma and its hundreds of associates, as well as their remaining empire of companies and trusts. they are released from future liability claims. The Stacklers made an estimated $10 billion off OxyContin.
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You neglected to mention 42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 which went into effect in 1988 which also protects vaccine manufacturers from lawsuits.
Then there is the VICP which also went into effect at about the same time. It has paid out approximately $4.5 billion in claims since it concept.
Unless an extension is granted the exemption that Moderna and Pfizer currently enjoy ends in 2024.
In 2005 the PREP Act created the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP) which has paid out very little in damages since it's concept.
Suing a drug manufacturer is very difficult because winning a lawsuit is often about the side that can afford the best legal team. The Stackler family sort of got off the hook. In exchange for $4.3 billion and forfeiting ownership of Purdue Pharma and its hundreds of associates, as well as their remaining empire of companies and trusts. they are released from future liability claims. The Stacklers made an estimated $10 billion off OxyContin.
The actions against the Jewish Sackler family is the strongest example of anti-Semitism since Hitler, IMO.
One of the family members fled to Switzerland because of it.
What I mean is: this was the biggest example of a mob of frenzied people out to basically get revenge for the acts of a group of Jews [in this case, a Jewish family].
Was this revenge/pogrom justified? Well...in 1996 when Oxycontin first came out, the company used the paper of one doctor stating that the drugs were not addictive in order to sell them. That was BULLSHIT, and yet, decades later, here we have literally tens of thousands dead because of this HIGHLY ADDICTIVE product, and many more addicted. I don't have ANY problem with Big Pharma SELLING drugs...what I have a problem with is when ANYONE - be it Big Pharma, or some guy on a chopper on a street corner - PUSHES drugs. THAT is what the Sackler family did.
To that extent...I am ok with people taking revenge.
As for your point regarding the Sackler family being immune to further legal action. Ah, Prime - they were ALREADY immune from legal action before. How'd that work for them?
Immunity is relative.
As I said, this comes down to drug SELLING versus drug PUSHING. The Sacklers did both - but only the latter do I find deplorable.
As for the current vaccine manufacturers having legal immunity...hahaha...wait until we get an honest count of the bodies that these vaccines have stacked up...I can ASSURE YOU, Big Pharma will NOT have immunity by then. Sadly, the political front men will probably be the ones to go to jail, as opposed to pharmaceutical company executives. Personally, I'd love to see Bill Gates be tried, for his role in this.
During the global financial collapse, no one went to jail - but this fraud was WAY bigger than this. Heck - Prime: you STILL believe Covid is a serious disease! LOL! You are STILL playing pandemic. Unreal!
But once again, remember: immunity is RELATIVE.