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Anyone here use Kratom? Was wondering about this stuff and if any Getbiggers have tried it and their experience with it.
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its OK... different blends for different effects
Just got some Green Malay, not tried it yet, will let you know
last lot I had just felt warm and relaxed, not sure what that was , someone gave it me,
https://www.kraatje.eu/contents/en-us/d23_Kratom_Kopen_Kaufen.html
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Very mild opiate-like feel. Makes me sweat for some reason.
It's simply not that good as far as drugs go.
I didn't find it addictive but many others regret they ever tried it.
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I took some after aback injury and too Red Fibre Kratom a few times and it made my scalp tingle like a pre workout. Maybe some energy but I can’t be sure because I was fucked up from being hospitalized. Never thought about taking it again.
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I take it sometimes to relax and get good sleep.
It's not that great.
I've heard if you take a lot of it at once it will be more intense.
Haven't tried that yet.
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Interesting stuff guys, I didn't know there are different strains, I got to look into it more.
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Interesting stuff guys, I didn't know there are different strains, I got to look into it more.
Yeah it's all online.
Green gives you energy.
White is better for pain relief.
Red is good for sleep.
There are like a dozen kinds.
I never noticed much of a difference between them, but the red does make me very tired.
I buy a bag of White Maeng Da every few months. Seems to help me relax and chill out. I might take it once every 1-2 weeks. When i travel for work and stay in hotels i'll take it because i have problems sleeping in new places.
Some people claim you can get withdrawals from Kratom. I can tell you if you take a lot over the period of a few days it will string you out a bit. Give you scalp and nose itches like opiates do.
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I find that Red can help with sleep and is similar to a sedative.
White and green are similar in effect but I've always found white to be more intense. In smaller doses it provides a physical pick-me-up in the way that the first coffee of the day provides a mental pick me up.
The green and white are great for eliminating small aches and pains. A little achiness in the morning, knees, lower back, when your legs feel heavy and lack energy. A small dose of white, like 1 or 2 grams, really erases alot of those body aches and the result is you feel better somewhat more energetic.
But even the white and green will become more of a sedative if you take higher dises, like 5 to 10 grams at a time.
I quit kratom a few years ago and it was a bitch. I started again a few years later because I was having a hard time sleeping and kratom was only thing that worked. I had to quit again- traveling outside of the country and just didn't want the hassle- and it was alot easier to quit. Ive started and stopped several other times. Each time any withdrawl-like effects are less and less.
If you start using it after awhile it will tank your sex drive and appetite. If you keep your doses low, it shouldn't be difficult quitting but may not help with sleep.
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I find that Red can help with sleep and is similar to a sedative.
White and green are similar in effect but I've always found white to be more intense. In smaller doses it provides a physical pick-me-up in the way that the first coffee of the day provides a mental pick me up.
The green and white are great for eliminating small aches and pains. A little achiness in the morning, knees, lower back, when your legs feel heavy and lack energy. A small dose of white, like 1 or 2 grams, really erases alot of those body aches and the result is you feel better somewhat more energetic.
But even the white and green will become more of a sedative if you take higher dises, like 5 to 10 grams at a time.
I quit kratom a few years ago and it was a bitch. I started again a few years later because I was having a hard time sleeping and kratom was only thing that worked. I had to quit again- traveling outside of the country and just didn't want the hassle- and it was alot easier to quit. Ive started and stopped several other times. Each time any withdrawl-like effects are less and less.
If you start using it after awhile it will tank your sex drive and appetite. If you keep your doses low, it shouldn't be difficult quitting but may not help with sleep.
Thanks for the insight, I was actually looking for something to replace coffee/caffeine, also wouldn't mind something to help with little aches and pain we get from training. Would there be a strand you recommend pre workout?
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Thanks for the insight, I was actually looking for something to replace coffee/caffeine, also wouldn't mind something to help with little aches and pain we get from training. Would there be a strand you recommend pre workout?
The Nubain strain is great for aches and pains but seriously the stuff is crap
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Thanks for the insight, I was actually looking for something to replace coffee/caffeine, also wouldn't mind something to help with little aches and pain we get from training. Would there be a strand you recommend pre workout?
It's kind of hit and miss. Different vendors, dozens of strains, I can't recommend any particular brand and the different regions have differences too(thai, Indonesia, malaw, borneo) generally speaking Ive found the white ones best for working out as long as you keep the dose small.
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Anyone here use Kratom? Was wondering about this stuff and if any Getbiggers have tried it and their experience with it.
My old training partner, an IFBB pro used it and it caused him some problems with arrhythmia’s long after he stopped it. I’ve never used it but after his experience I never would
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My old training partner, an IFBB pro used it and it caused him some problems with arrhythmia’s long agree he stopped it. I’ve never used it but after his experience I never would
Interesting. I've never heard of this happening before.
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Disliked it at first and years later I tried it again and now I like it.
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My old training partner, an IFBB pro used it and it caused him some problems with arrhythmia’s long after he stopped it. I’ve never used it but after his experience I never would
My Kratom-loving friend said this, when I showed him your post:
"So he had arythmias LONG AFTER taking Kratom, while he was taking PED's? I'm sure it couldn't have been the PED's."
I never mentioned PED's to him, lol. He assumed...because this is a bodybuilding board!
Hm. Coach - Kratom is a stimulant, but I don't think it would cause arythmias AFTER using it?
I've never heard of that, anyway. So I don't know.
As for the OP - I was doing a 25g pack about every two weeks for a while.
I stopped because I didn't want that to increase. Especially during lockdown.
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I have some but never got much out of it
there are better things out there (edibles, delta-8, etc)
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I have some but never got much out of it
there are better things out there (edibles, delta-8, etc)
Whats delta 8? More weed?
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Whats delta 8? More weed?
A variant of THC. Legal in most states but very mild.
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A heaping teaspoon of super green maeng da, toss it and wash it down with clamato juice 20 mins before working out will give you clean energy and motivation to get shit done, that's how I take it and so far. so good then sip on a strong cup of coffee on my way to the gym.
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Whats delta 8? More weed?
Paging Doctor bhank...
;D
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My Kratom-loving friend said this, when I showed him your post:
"So he had arythmias LONG AFTER taking Kratom, while he was taking PED's? I'm sure it couldn't have been the PED's."
I never mentioned PED's to him, lol. He assumed...because this is a bodybuilding board!
Hm. Coach - Kratom is a stimulant, but I don't think it would cause arythmias AFTER using it?
I've never heard of that, anyway. So I don't know.
As for the OP - I was doing a 25g pack about every two weeks for a while.
I stopped because I didn't want that to increase. Especially during lockdown.
I’d also look to peds first. IFBB pro, lots of drugs.
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I’d also look to peds first. IFBB pro, lots of drugs.
He's been retired for years. Still in great shape, still trains hard. 200grms test per week and that's it. Didn't have any cardiac issues before the Kratom, started having arrhythmia's during, didn't think much of it, continued taking it. Stopped it, still had problems months after discontinuing. He's fine now but not worth it IMO. He's 46 now
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A heaping teaspoon of super green maeng da, toss it and wash it down with clamato juice 20 mins before working out will give you clean energy and motivation to get shit done, that's how I take it and so far. so good then sip on a strong cup of coffee on my way to the gym.
Any particular reason why you wash it down with Clamato?
Also do you only use it pre-workout?
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My old training partner, an IFBB pro used it and it caused him some problems with arrhythmia’s long after he stopped it. I’ve never used it but after his experience I never would
Coach I agree with you on a lot but this simply is not true.
There is only one vendor with the TRUE enhanced and UEI and FST. The UEI and FST will stand for to toe with the strongest opiates - not 99% of the ones you see on the market but this is the original. They didn’t sell it for almost 8 years but brought it back for some of us recently. I only use in lieu of prescription pain meds because they are stronger than Oxy's if needed and can be tapered easily. Used for a week or so - no issues l.
I have used kratom since before there was a single US vendor (I think mid late 90’s) and went 20 years without so much as a cold. ALOT of health benefits for this herb.
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Brutal if true...
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DON`T DO DRUGS KIDS
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Coach I agree with you on a lot but this simply is not true.
There is only one vendor with the TRUE enhanced and UEI and FST. The UEI and FST will stand for to toe with the strongest opiates - not 99% of the ones you see on the market but this is the original. They didn’t sell it for almost 8 years but brought it back for some of us recently. I only use in lieu of prescription pain meds because they are stronger than Oxy's if needed and can be tapered easily. Used for a week or so - no issues l.
I have used kratom since before there was a single US vendor (I think mid late 90’s) and went 20 years without so much as a cold. ALOT of health benefits for this herb.
Christ Marvin! Can you be a bit more specific about what sort you mean there? I could do with a new hobby this year...
Thanks in advance
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Coach I agree with you on a lot but this simply is not true.
There is only one vendor with the TRUE enhanced and UEI and FST. The UEI and FST will stand for to toe with the strongest opiates - not 99% of the ones you see on the market but this is the original. They didn’t sell it for almost 8 years but brought it back for some of us recently. I only use in lieu of prescription pain meds because they are stronger than Oxy's if needed and can be tapered easily. Used for a week or so - no issues l.
I have used kratom since before there was a single US vendor (I think mid late 90’s) and went 20 years without so much as a cold. ALOT of health benefits for this herb.
Wow didn’t know anyone else to like the FST. I don’t really think it’s Kratom tbh, too powerful. I feel like it’s a tramadol analogue.
Loved to buy it w COD and blow the FedEx drivers mind ;D
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I feel like it’s a tramadol analogue.
I agree with that.
Tramadol seems consistent with kratom.
Except the sleep part, i can't sleep for shit if i take a Tramadol late in the day.
I've never taken an Oxy, so i can't comment on that.
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Any particular reason why you wash it down with Clamato?
Also do you only use it pre-workout?
It tastes like shit, tomato juice makes it more pallable, just place it under your tongue and take a big sip of tomato juice and swirl it around that way you don't taste it.
At that amount, which roughly equates to 3-4 grams will boost you up, anything above that will give you the sedative effects everyone is talking about, that's why I only take it as a preworkout 3 times a week.
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I find that Red can help with sleep and is similar to a sedative.
White and green are similar in effect but I've always found white to be more intense. In smaller doses it provides a physical pick-me-up in the way that the first coffee of the day provides a mental pick me up.
The green and white are great for eliminating small aches and pains. A little achiness in the morning, knees, lower back, when your legs feel heavy and lack energy. A small dose of white, like 1 or 2 grams, really erases alot of those body aches and the result is you feel better somewhat more energetic.
But even the white and green will become more of a sedative if you take higher dises, like 5 to 10 grams at a time.
I quit kratom a few years ago and it was a bitch. I started again a few years later because I was having a hard time sleeping and kratom was only thing that worked. I had to quit again- traveling outside of the country and just didn't want the hassle- and it was alot easier to quit. Ive started and stopped several other times. Each time any withdrawl-like effects are less and less.
If you start using it after awhile it will tank your sex drive and appetite. If you keep your doses low, it shouldn't be difficult quitting but may not help with sleep.
Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly. Low doses. Take a day off here and there.
Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.
The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.
Don't know what the fuck happened this time.
Just a word of caution.
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Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly. Low doses. Take a day off here and there.
Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.
The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.
Don't know what the fuck happened this time.
Just a word of caution.
That happened to my friend who took it every day for months.
He said he was sick and felt like shit for like 4-5 days when he stopped.
This is why i only take it on the weekends.
I don't think anything the messes with your brain should be taken daily.
Can i ask how many grams per day you were taking?
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I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night
Fuck knows how many grams that is
Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful
Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.
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Anyone here use Kratom? Was wondering about this stuff and if any Getbiggers have tried it and their experience with it.
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I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night
Fuck knows how many grams that is
Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful
Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.
I think a tablespoon is around 4 grams.
Which is a lot.
I won't take more than 2g's at a time.
I find i get a good buzz for about 2 hours and it starts to fade.
The sleep is amazing for me though.
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Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly. Low doses. Take a day off here and there.
Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.
The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.
Don't know what the fuck happened this time.
Just a word of caution.
Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks
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Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks
Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.
Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.
Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.
There were a shit load of suggestions most of them sounded like bro science.
So started just a cold turkey quit. But that was extremely uncomfortable: restless but lazy, total malaise, lack of interest in everything etc. So I did a very steep taper over 4 or 5 days. Even that sucked but it was doable.
Its been 11 days now and energy, interest, are just about back to 100% normal.
Fwiw, there was no Need for me to quit. I get a ton of benefits out of it with zero negative side effects. I wanted to take a break for a few days for the hell of it and when it turned out to be worse than I expected I felt it was something I had to do. Like now it was an obligation to prove to myself.
The only relief was coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. And the gym, and really good really loud music. Forcing yourself to get up and move.
I found out that a sleep aide I used had phenibut in it. The label didn't say phenibut it was listed under a chemical name. One of the things i read is that phenibut really intensifies the symptoms of quitting kratom. Idk the science behind it but anecdotally this seemed to be the case with me.
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That happened to my friend who took it every day for months.
He said he was sick and felt like shit for like 4-5 days when he stopped.
This is why i only take it on the weekends.
I don't think anything the messes with your brain should be taken daily.
Can i ask how many grams per day you were taking?
Overlord, I would take 1 or 2 grams when I woke up. Take it with coffee.
About three grams with coffee as a pre workout.
And just before bed anywhere from 3 to 5 grams for sleep.
So 10 grams a day? I didn't use a scale or anything like that just a guesstimate.
I think also where I screwed up was using it on non work out days too. As it is I work out 5 days sometimes 6 days a week.(started getting addicted to exercise about 6 years ago after quitting alcohol) but even on the days i didn't go to the gym I still took it.
Chido man says he uses it only on workout days, which is 3 x a week for him. I doubt he'll ever have any problems with it if he sticks to that schedule.
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Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks
I took it everyday for 2 years and had a full blown addiction, I'd go into light withdrawals if I didn't dose every 8 hours or so. I tapered using capsules .. Went from 30 capsules/day to none over about 6 weeks. Zero discomfort, just took one less capsule everyday.
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I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night
Fuck knows how many grams that is
Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful
Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.
be careful, too much and you'll vomit.
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I took it everyday for 2 years and had a full blown addiction, I'd go into light withdrawals if I didn't dose every 8 hours or so. I tapered using capsules .. Went from 30 capsules/day to none over about 6 weeks. Zero discomfort, just took one less capsule everyday.
Thats probably about the best method Ive heard yet. Simple
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be careful, too much and you'll vomit.
Its OK, I have been sick before.....
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Overlord, I would take 1 or 2 grams when I woke up. Take it with coffee.
About three grams with coffee as a pre workout.
And just before bed anywhere from 3 to 5 grams for sleep.
So 10 grams a day? I didn't use a scale or anything like that just a guesstimate.
I think also where I screwed up was using it on non work out days too. As it is I work out 5 days sometimes 6 days a week.(started getting addicted to exercise about 6 years ago after quitting alcohol) but even on the days i didn't go to the gym I still took it.
Chido man says he uses it only on workout days, which is 3 x a week for him. I doubt he'll ever have any problems with it if he sticks to that schedule.
Thanks for the response.
My friend was taking about 20 grams a day for almost a year.
The most i've taken in a day is 8 grams and it put me on the moon.
2-3 times a month i'll take 2 grams in the evening just to chill out.
Since i travel a lot for work i'll take it to help me sleep, because sleeping in new places is hard for me.
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Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.
Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.
Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.
Benzos reduce withdrawal symptoms.
They help with a lot of drug and alcohol withdrawal symptoms.
But they are a new devil within.
When my co-worked stopped drinking after 10 years of getting drunk every night, he got some valium and it helped with the symptoms, but it can lead you further down the rabbit hole.
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Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.
Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.
Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.
There were a shit load of suggestions most of them sounded like bro science.
So started just a cold turkey quit. But that was extremely uncomfortable: restless but lazy, total malaise, lack of interest in everything etc. So I did a very steep taper over 4 or 5 days. Even that sucked but it was doable.
Its been 11 days now and energy, interest, are just about back to 100% normal.
Fwiw, there was no Need for me to quit. I get a ton of benefits out of it with zero negative side effects. I wanted to take a break for a few days for the hell of it and when it turned out to be worse than I expected I felt it was something I had to do. Like now it was an obligation to prove to myself.
The only relief was coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. And the gym, and really good really loud music. Forcing yourself to get up and move.
I found out that a sleep aide I used had phenibut in it. The label didn't say phenibut it was listed under a chemical name. One of the things i read is that phenibut really intensifies the symptoms of quitting kratom. Idk the science behind it but anecdotally this seemed to be the case with me.
Thanks Beakdoctor and others.It seems tapering down is the way to go.
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Thanks Beakdoctor and others.It seems tapering down is the way to go.
If you're having trouble Id follow ProudVirgin's example.
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if you have any sorta opiate tolerance you'll likely be super disapointed.
tried it years ago when it first came out. hundreds and hundreds of grams of various strains and suppliers. 20-30g at a time did nothing for me except make me want to puke occasionally. did nothing to help come off opiates.
also heard nonsense about 'you gotta take less to feel it more', and 2-5g did nothing as well.
if you're opiate naive, you may get something out of it... you may get a lot more than you bargained for, as in an actual opiate addiction. seriously, if this stuff really were some 'hidden opiate gem from southeast asia unknown to the rest of the world until now' there would be kratom drug lords and the shit wouldve been all over for decades.
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If you're having trouble Id follow ProudVirgin's example.
Yes that is what I’m going to do taper over 5 or 6 weeks.You know I take a teaspoon every morning then drink a huge cup of coffee on my hour long drive to work and honestly I feel great when I get there.Wide awake and energetic. I do the same thing before I train so I don’t know if it’s absolutely necessary to stop I just don’t like the terrible withdrawals I get if I go over 8 hours without any. I have read it is in the coffee family and hell if I go a day without coffee I am not a nice guy to be around either.Anyway thanks for the input all of you guys.
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if you have any sorta opiate tolerance you'll likely be super disapointed.
tried it years ago when it first came out. hundreds and hundreds of grams of various strains and suppliers. 20-30g at a time did nothing for me except make me want to puke occasionally. did nothing to help come off opiates.
also heard nonsense about 'you gotta take less to feel it more', and 2-5g did nothing as well.
if you're opiate naive, you may get something out of it... you may get a lot more than you bargained for, as in an actual opiate addiction. seriously, if this stuff really were some 'hidden opiate gem from southeast asia unknown to the rest of the world until now' there would be kratom drug lords and the shit wouldve been all over for decades.
thats no surprise, 6gms of gear a week didnt do anything for you either.
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I`m not fucking around anymore with anything that I can become addicted to except pussy which I am already a junkie for.
I bought some edibles for the first time ever last month.....felt a buzz for a whole....did some more the next day and it was zilch......I have a very high tolerance so I need to keep my over twenty years clean and sober. intact.....you could say I blew it by taking the edibles but I dont feel that way personally and could give a fuck.
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He's been retired for years. Still in great shape, still trains hard. 200grms test per week and that's it. Didn't have any cardiac issues before the Kratom, started having arrhythmia's during, didn't think much of it, continued taking it. Stopped it, still had problems months after discontinuing. He's fine now but not worth it IMO. He's 46 now
200 grams of test per week? He must be on the Dallas McCarver death cycle. Unless that was a massive typo, that may have been the cause of his arrhythmias. ;D
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Regarding being opiate naive and really feeling Kratom. I've
never really been hooked to pain killers 10 or 20 codeine a couple of times a year; or 20 Tramadol once. Something approximating that yearly for a decade.Those get me high, especially the tramadol even at like just 100mg. Kratom was barely perceptible. I gave a little to a friend for sleep and he said he could'nt feel it but felt he slept extra well.
The a couole of weeks back he takes his dose 2 hours before going to bed, texts me: "bro I'm really fucked up, can't walk straight, absolutely could not drive in this state."
Another friend has eaten 10 tabs of Codein for over a decade and he thinks tramadol is shit. I barely notice codeine but tramadol is very nice. Actually someone just gave me 50 × 200mg Tramadol. One tab just before working out and the effect carries over into the next day.
Which type of person can be considered opiate naive?
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Yes that is what I’m going to do taper over 5 or 6 weeks.You know I take a teaspoon every morning then drink a huge cup of coffee on my hour long drive to work and honestly I feel great when I get there.Wide awake and energetic. I do the same thing before I train so I don’t know if it’s absolutely necessary to stop I just don’t like the terrible withdrawals I get if I go over 8 hours without any. I have read it is in the coffee family and hell if I go a day without coffee I am not a nice guy to be around either.Anyway thanks for the input all of you guys.
Capsules are more expensive but are worth it for ease & accuracy of taper. Good luck, you can do this👍
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Capsules are more expensive but are worth it for ease & accuracy of taper. Good luck, you can do this👍
thank you sir
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Regarding being opiate naive and really feeling Kratom. I've
never really been hooked to pain killers 10 or 20 codeine a couple of times a year; or 20 Tramadol once. Something approximating that yearly for a decade.Those get me high, especially the tramadol even at like just 100mg. Kratom was barely perceptible. I gave a little to a friend for sleep and he said he could'nt feel it but felt he slept extra well.
The a couole of weeks back he takes his dose 2 hours before going to bed, texts me: "bro I'm really fucked up, can't walk straight, absolutely could not drive in this state."
Another friend has eaten 10 tabs of Codein for over a decade and he thinks tramadol is shit. I barely notice codeine but tramadol is very nice. Actually someone just gave me 50 × 200mg Tramadol. One tab just before working out and the effect carries over into the next day.
Which type of person can be considered opiate naive?
someone without a tolerance.
i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.
tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.
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someone without a tolerance.
i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.
tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.
Kratom was actually classed as a narcotic for the first time here in Sweden after some assholes were ordering in India and and mixing it in with Kratom and aa bunch of people went to rehab. Then strangely Tramadol pharma pills were taken off the scheduled list again, only the UG powder was narcotic. And the Kratom was banned still as well, of course
I noticed that Tramadol had instant and impressive antidepressant effect and stopping even after less than a week made me very anxious and depressed.
I know my friend claims he doesn't even feel the withdrawal from codeine. At the same time he is deathly afraid of losing his script. It does nothing but he has to have it. I just wonder how come he can't feel the tramadol at all, since in my mind it's many times "stronger" and different to codeine, antidepressant effect and cergain type of buzzing feeling. Didn't much feel codeine when i was really naive, same if I took it now.
And oh yeah, another friend claims a doc in Denmark wrote him scripts for tramadol for depression specifically. Most docs wouldn't even if he thought there likely was justification for it.
Tramadol makes me really anorgasmic. They have actually trialled it in premature ejaculators :D
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someone without a tolerance.
i doubt the friend who takes the codeine for a decade even feels it, it just keeps him from getting sick.
tramadol works on different areas of the brain as well.. so it's also considered an SSRI/SNRI and can be super addictive. you end up dealing with not just opiate withdrawal, but also ssri withdrawl at the same time. not fun. tramadol is what sent me to morphine/heroin.
I have been taking citalopram for depressioin for the last 18 months
I made the mistake of taking tramadol alongside it when I tweaked my back
I was only taking 150mgs tramadol a day for three days
Fucks sake I thought I was going to explode , my anxiety levels went through the roof.
Seratonine syndrome apparently
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Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom
The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.
Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.
The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html
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Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom
The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.
Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.
The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html
none of which kill you
article may also be inaccurate
Research indicates that kratom use may be on the rise. One study found that during a 7-year-period—from 2011-2017—individuals made 1,800 calls to poison control centers regarding adverse effects of kratom.2 Nearly two-thirds of the calls came in 2016 and 2017.2
Overdose and death. Kratom has been linked to a very small number of deaths and is therefore extremely unlikely. One report found 11 deaths over a 7-year period associated with kratom use. Kratom, alone, was connected to two of those deaths.
https://americanaddictioncenters.org/kratom/dangers
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none of which kill you
article may also be inaccuratehttps://americanaddictioncenters.org/kratom/dangers
He died, but it would have been worse had he not been COVID vaccinated.
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Dad collapsed at dinner table before dying. Family’s lawsuit blames supplement Kratom
The Gordon County Medical Examiner ruled McPherson died from “acute mitragynine (kratom) toxicity,” according to a new wrongful death lawsuit filed in Gwinnett County by the family.
Kratom, often sold as a dietary or herbal supplement, is becoming increasingly popular in the U.S. and was responsible for the deaths of 91 people from July 2016 to December 2017, according to a report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in 2019.
The FDA says it can expose those who consume it to “risks of addiction, abuse and dependence,” and warns against using it after receiving “concerning reports” regarding its safety.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-collapsed-dinner-table-dying-183707331.html
Scapegoat. Family needs someone to file suit against/blame.
Saying kratom killed someone is about as ridiculous as calling creatine the same thing as steroids. It's just people who don't know wtf they are talking about.
I saw a few weeks ago a kid took his own life. Parents found a journal he was keeping and one of the last entries was a "to do" list. 1. On the list was 'quit taking kratom' so family is blaming his suicide on kratom.
I suppose anything could be spiked but then it wouldn't be the kratom it would be whatever it was spiked with.
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Coming off Kratom, although different in effect than coffee, was quite similar.
Most people can be a bit moody and that’s it.
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Had some good experiences, gives u a mild euphoric effect, mild pain killer, and sleep better too. Take it a few times a week at night to relax. I use the ultra enhanced maeng da from Kratom krates
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I have been taking citalopram for depressioin for the last 18 months
I made the mistake of taking tramadol alongside it when I tweaked my back
I was only taking 150mgs tramadol a day for three days
Fucks sake I thought I was going to explode , my anxiety levels went through the roof.
Seratonine syndrome apparently
your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag
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Kratom had two bad sides. Nausea, stomach upset and drastically reduced appetite. IME.
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Kratom had two bad sides. Nausea, stomach upset and drastically reduced appetite. IME.
I had reduced appetite and reduced sex drive. Pretty drastic too for both.
I only experienced nausea only when I took the capsules. Never when I took powder and just washed it down.
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your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag
The Falcon is soaring tonight folks!
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your back hurts because u dont train legs with consistency nimrod i guess baby boomers fix everything with shots and pills u lazy fag
You're a disgusting fatbody. Calling someone else lazy?
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You're a disgusting fatbody. Calling someone else lazy?
He must have made pit stop at Sherwin Williams. ;D
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He must have made pit stop at Sherwin Williams. ;D
Oh boy Falcon has been huffing the paint again?