Kratom

[wes]

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[Taffin]

Coach I agree with you on a lot but this simply is not true.

There is only one vendor with the TRUE enhanced and UEI and FST. The UEI and FST will stand for to toe with the strongest opiates - not 99% of the ones you see on the market but this is the original. They didn’t sell it for almost 8 years but brought it back for some of us recently. I only use in lieu of prescription pain meds because they are stronger than Oxy's  if needed and can be tapered easily. Used for a week or so - no issues l.

I have used kratom since before there was a single US vendor (I think mid late 90’s) and went 20 years without so much as a cold. ALOT of health benefits for this herb.

Christ Marvin!  Can you be a bit more specific about what sort you mean there?  I could do with a new hobby this year...

Thanks in advance

[ProudVirgin69]

Coach I agree with you on a lot but this simply is not true.

There is only one vendor with the TRUE enhanced and UEI and FST. The UEI and FST will stand for to toe with the strongest opiates - not 99% of the ones you see on the market but this is the original. They didn’t sell it for almost 8 years but brought it back for some of us recently. I only use in lieu of prescription pain meds because they are stronger than Oxy's  if needed and can be tapered easily. Used for a week or so - no issues l.

I have used kratom since before there was a single US vendor (I think mid late 90’s) and went 20 years without so much as a cold. ALOT of health benefits for this herb.

Wow didn’t know anyone else to like the FST.  I don’t really think it’s Kratom tbh, too powerful.  I feel like it’s a tramadol analogue.

Loved to buy it w COD and blow the FedEx drivers mind

[ThisisOverload]

I feel like it’s a tramadol analogue.

I agree with that.

Tramadol seems consistent with kratom.

Except the sleep part, i can't sleep for shit if i take a Tramadol late in the day.

I've never taken an Oxy, so i can't comment on that.

[Chidoman]

Any particular reason why you wash it down with Clamato?

Also do you only use it pre-workout?

It tastes like shit, tomato juice makes it more pallable, just place it under your tongue and take a big sip of tomato juice and swirl it around that way you don't taste it.

At that amount, which roughly equates to 3-4 grams will boost you up, anything above that will give you the sedative effects everyone is talking about, that's why I only take it as a preworkout 3 times a week.

[beakdoctor]

I find that Red can help with sleep and is similar to a sedative.

White and green are similar in effect but I've always found white to be more intense. In smaller doses it provides a physical pick-me-up in the way that the first coffee of the day provides a mental pick me up.

The green and white are great for eliminating small aches and pains. A little achiness in the morning, knees, lower back, when your legs feel heavy and lack energy. A small dose of white, like 1 or 2 grams, really erases alot of those body aches and the result is you feel better somewhat more energetic. 

But even the white and green will become more of a sedative if you take higher dises, like 5 to 10 grams at a time.

I quit kratom a few years ago and it was a bitch. I started again a few years later because I was having a hard time sleeping and kratom was only thing that worked.  I had to quit again- traveling outside of the country and just didn't want the hassle- and it was alot easier to quit. Ive started and stopped several other times. Each time any withdrawl-like effects are less and less.

If you start using it after awhile it will tank your sex drive and appetite. If you keep your doses low, it shouldn't be difficult quitting but may not help with sleep.

Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly.  Low doses. Take a day off here and there.

Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.

The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.

Don't know what the fuck happened this time.

Just a word of caution.

[ThisisOverload]

Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly.  Low doses. Take a day off here and there.

Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.

The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.

Don't know what the fuck happened this time.

Just a word of caution.

That happened to my friend who took it every day for months.

He said he was sick and felt like shit for like 4-5 days when he stopped.

This is why i only take it on the weekends.

I don't think anything the messes with your brain should be taken daily.

Can i ask how many grams per day you were taking?

[joswift]

I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night

Fuck knows how many grams that is

Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful

Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.

[funk51]

Anyone here use Kratom? Was wondering about this stuff and if any Getbiggers have tried it and their experience with it.

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[ThisisOverload]

I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night

Fuck knows how many grams that is

Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful

Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.

I think a tablespoon is around 4 grams.

Which is a lot.

I won't take more than 2g's at a time.

I find i get a good buzz for about 2 hours and it starts to fade.

The sleep is amazing for me though.

[Cook]

Had to update this post. Been using kratom a while, fairly responsibly.  Low doses. Take a day off here and there.

Well just for the hell of it I decided to quit about 10 days ago. All i can say is it absolutely sucked. Just fucking sucked.

The trend I had experienced was that the several times I had quit over the years each time quitting just got easier.

Don't know what the fuck happened this time.

Just a word of caution.

Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks

[beakdoctor]

Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks

Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.

Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.

Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.

There were a shit load of suggestions most of them sounded like bro science.

So started just a cold turkey quit. But that was extremely uncomfortable: restless but lazy, total malaise, lack of interest in everything etc. So I did a very steep taper over 4 or 5 days. Even that sucked but it was doable.

Its been 11 days now and energy, interest, are just about back to 100% normal.

Fwiw, there was no Need for me to quit. I get a ton of benefits out of it with zero negative side effects. I wanted to take a break for a few days for the hell of it and when it turned out to be worse than I expected I felt it was something I had to do. Like now it was an obligation to prove to myself.

The only relief was coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. And the gym, and really good really loud music. Forcing yourself to get up and move.

I found out that a sleep aide I used had phenibut in it. The label didn't say phenibut it was listed under a chemical name. One of the things i read is that phenibut really intensifies the symptoms of quitting kratom. Idk the science behind it but anecdotally this seemed to be the case with me.

[beakdoctor]

That happened to my friend who took it every day for months.

He said he was sick and felt like shit for like 4-5 days when he stopped.

This is why i only take it on the weekends.

I don't think anything the messes with your brain should be taken daily.

Can i ask how many grams per day you were taking?

Overlord, I would take 1 or 2 grams when I woke up.  Take it with coffee.

About three grams with coffee as a pre workout.

And just before bed anywhere from 3 to 5 grams for sleep.

So 10 grams a day? I didn't use a scale or anything like that just a guesstimate.

I think also where I screwed up was using it on non work out days too. As it is I work out 5 days sometimes 6 days a week.(started getting addicted to exercise about 6 years ago after quitting alcohol) but even on the days i didn't go to the gym I still took it.

Chido man says he uses it only on workout days, which is 3 x a week for him. I doubt he'll ever have any problems with it if he sticks to that schedule.

[ProudVirgin69]

Hey BD couple of questions.What did you do to battle the discomfort?Was there anything that seemed to work?And did you get your energy back after the 10 days? Thanks

I took it everyday for 2 years and had a full blown addiction, I'd go into light withdrawals if I didn't dose every 8 hours or so.  I tapered using capsules .. Went from 30 capsules/day to none over about 6 weeks.  Zero discomfort, just took one less capsule everyday.

[ProudVirgin69]

I took three TABLESPOONS last Saturday night

Fuck knows how many grams that is

Took 2 first, was absolutly battered, couldnt keep my eyeballs still
After an hour it started wearing off a bit so I had another spoonful

Felt a bit sick the day after but all in all a good night.

be careful, too much and you'll vomit. 

[beakdoctor]

I took it everyday for 2 years and had a full blown addiction, I'd go into light withdrawals if I didn't dose every 8 hours or so.  I tapered using capsules .. Went from 30 capsules/day to none over about 6 weeks.  Zero discomfort, just took one less capsule everyday.

Thats probably about the best method Ive heard yet. Simple

[joswift]

be careful, too much and you'll vomit.

Its OK, I have been sick before.....

[ThisisOverload]

Overlord, I would take 1 or 2 grams when I woke up.  Take it with coffee.

About three grams with coffee as a pre workout.

And just before bed anywhere from 3 to 5 grams for sleep.

So 10 grams a day? I didn't use a scale or anything like that just a guesstimate.

I think also where I screwed up was using it on non work out days too. As it is I work out 5 days sometimes 6 days a week.(started getting addicted to exercise about 6 years ago after quitting alcohol) but even on the days i didn't go to the gym I still took it.

Chido man says he uses it only on workout days, which is 3 x a week for him. I doubt he'll ever have any problems with it if he sticks to that schedule.

Thanks for the response.

My friend was taking about 20 grams a day for almost a year.

The most i've taken in a day is 8 grams and it put me on the moon.

2-3 times a month i'll take 2 grams in the evening just to chill out.

Since i travel a lot for work i'll take it to help me sleep, because sleeping in new places is hard for me.

[ThisisOverload]

Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.

Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.

Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.

Benzos reduce withdrawal symptoms.

They help with a lot of drug and alcohol withdrawal symptoms.

But they are a new devil within.

When my co-worked stopped drinking after 10 years of getting drunk every night, he got some valium and it helped with the symptoms, but it can lead you further down the rabbit hole.

[Cook]

Nothing worked really well. I looked online for various advice. There's alot of advice on this toppic on sites like reddit or Quora etc... but the advice is usually comming from some burnout ex junkie or some teenager. A lot of advice is conflicting too.

Some people say gabapentin and/or xanax, ativan can help.

Others say using gaba or benzos is the worst thing you can do.

There were a shit load of suggestions most of them sounded like bro science.

So started just a cold turkey quit. But that was extremely uncomfortable: restless but lazy, total malaise, lack of interest in everything etc. So I did a very steep taper over 4 or 5 days. Even that sucked but it was doable.

Its been 11 days now and energy, interest, are just about back to 100% normal.

Fwiw, there was no Need for me to quit. I get a ton of benefits out of it with zero negative side effects. I wanted to take a break for a few days for the hell of it and when it turned out to be worse than I expected I felt it was something I had to do. Like now it was an obligation to prove to myself.

The only relief was coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. And the gym, and really good really loud music. Forcing yourself to get up and move.

I found out that a sleep aide I used had phenibut in it. The label didn't say phenibut it was listed under a chemical name. One of the things i read is that phenibut really intensifies the symptoms of quitting kratom. Idk the science behind it but anecdotally this seemed to be the case with me.

Thanks Beakdoctor and others.It seems tapering down is the way to go.

[beakdoctor]

Thanks Beakdoctor and others.It seems tapering down is the way to go.

If you're having trouble Id follow ProudVirgin's example.

[ESFitness]

if you have any sorta opiate tolerance you'll likely be super disapointed.

tried it years ago when it first came out. hundreds and hundreds of grams of various strains and suppliers. 20-30g at a time did nothing for me except make me want to puke occasionally. did nothing to help come off opiates.

also heard nonsense about 'you gotta take less to feel it more', and 2-5g did nothing as well.

if you're opiate naive, you may get something out of it... you may get a lot more than you bargained for, as in an actual opiate addiction. seriously, if this stuff really were some 'hidden opiate gem from southeast asia unknown to the rest of the world until now' there would be kratom drug lords and the shit wouldve been all over for decades.

[Cook]

If you're having trouble Id follow ProudVirgin's example.

Yes that is what I’m going to do taper over 5 or 6 weeks.You know I take a teaspoon every morning then drink a huge cup of coffee on my hour long drive to work and honestly I feel great when I get there.Wide awake and energetic. I do the same thing before I train so I don’t know if it’s absolutely necessary to stop I just don’t like the terrible withdrawals I get if I go over 8 hours without any. I have read it is in the coffee family and hell if I go a day without coffee I am not a nice guy to be around either.Anyway thanks for the input all of you guys.

[joswift]

if you have any sorta opiate tolerance you'll likely be super disapointed.

tried it years ago when it first came out. hundreds and hundreds of grams of various strains and suppliers. 20-30g at a time did nothing for me except make me want to puke occasionally. did nothing to help come off opiates.

also heard nonsense about 'you gotta take less to feel it more', and 2-5g did nothing as well.

if you're opiate naive, you may get something out of it... you may get a lot more than you bargained for, as in an actual opiate addiction. seriously, if this stuff really were some 'hidden opiate gem from southeast asia unknown to the rest of the world until now' there would be kratom drug lords and the shit wouldve been all over for decades.

thats no surprise, 6gms of gear a week didnt do anything for you either.

[wes]

I`m not fucking around anymore with anything that I can become addicted to except pussy which I am already a junkie for.

I bought some edibles for the first time ever last month.....felt a buzz for a whole....did some more the next day and it was zilch......I have a very high tolerance so I need to keep my over twenty years clean and sober. intact.....you could say I blew it by taking the edibles but I dont feel that way personally and could give a fuck.