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there are no gains to be had by one exercise over another just new angles
Dorian was all drugs
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there are no gains to be had by one exercise over another just new angles
Dorian was all drugs
A good way to build legs is by compound movements like bicep curls. This will help your chest as well.
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Biggest back ever
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there are no gains to be had by one exercise over another just new angles
Dorian was all drugs
yes because 1-arm tricep kick-backs build giant mass & power like close-grip bench, jm press and floor-presses. ::)
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Yates rows for a big snap
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yes because 1-arm tricep kick-backs build giant mass & power like close-grip bench, jm press and floor-presses. ::)
I've seen about 100x more bodybuilders do tricep kickbacks than jm press or floor presses
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I've seen about 100x more bodybuilders do tricep kickbacks than jm press or floor presses
proud of ya. they dont do jack-shit for size/strength. ::)
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proud of ya. they dont do jack-shit for size/strength. ::)
to think, all this time the pro bbers were leaving gains on the table
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to think, all this time the pro bbers were leaving gains on the table
Believe it or not, after the 1994 Mr Olympia, Chris Cormier admitted that his triceps were not on par with Kevin Levrone. He said that he was going to start incorporating the Reverse Grip Bench Press to build up his arm mass. I do know that the Barbarian Brothers and Anthony Clark trained at the same gym as Cormier. But I never actually saw pics or video or Cormier doing Reverse Grip Bench Presses.
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Biggest back ever
Brutal if true.
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A good way to build legs is by compound movements like bicep curls. This will help your chest as well.
x2 the body "grows as a whole", got to have a big squat to get big arms.
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x2 the body "grows as a whole", got to have a big squat to get big arms.
No.
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No.
Think the general perception and thinking is that if you teach people to squat, they’ll build a foundation since they will have mastered the squat to move onto other exercises that require form.
There was a book in the 80s or 90s called Squat for Big Arms. Basically build a foundation (squat) and stimulating one muscles stimulated others to grow as well.
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A good way to build legs is by compound movements like bicep curls. This will help your chest as well.
Yes, bicep curls builds massive quads and pecs. Tom Platz did preacher curls for his pecs.
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yes because 1-arm tricep kick-backs build giant mass & power like close-grip bench, jm press and floor-presses. ::)
please explain how your tricep knows the difference between a tricep kick back and a close grip bench press...
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Think the general perception and thinking is that if you teach people to squat, they’ll build a foundation since they will have mastered the squat to move onto other exercises that require form.
There was a book in the 80s or 90s called Squat for Big Arms. Basically build a foundation (squat) and stimulating one muscles stimulated others to grow as well.
There are plenty of guys with big arms and no legs. Very common.
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The difference between a tricep kickback and a close grip bench for the tricep muscles is the amount of weight used.
Of course the close grip also hits the pecs, delts and activates the lats because it is a compound movement.
Now, do you need big weights to produce hypertrophy in the triceps (or any muscle)?
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please explain how your tricep knows the difference between a tricep kick back and a close grip bench press...
I will explain this. Kickbacks don’t provide much stretch on the tricep. It’s a short contraction movement.
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I will explain this. Kickbacks don’t provide much stretch on the tricep. It’s a short contraction movement.
The elbow bends to 90 degrees on a kickback.
How much more flexion do you need?
Extreme elbow flexion can cause joint issues as with lying tricep extensions.
A lying tricep extension (skull crusher) is the same movement except lying down and with more weight.
Do you need heavy weights to develop the tricep?
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The elbow bends to 90 degrees on a kickback.
How much more flexion do you need?
Extreme elbow flexion can cause joint issues.
The long head of the tricep doesn’t get stretched on kickbacks. Skull crushers and overhead extensions are needed to stretch the long head.
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The difference between a tricep kickback and a close grip bench for the tricep muscles is the amount of weight used.
Of course the close grip also hits the pecs, delts and activates the lats because it is a compound movement.
Now, do you need big weights to produce hypertrophy in the triceps (or any muscle)?
muscles dont know weight, they only know intensity.
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There are plenty of guys with big arms and no legs. Very common.
Yeah of course. My training partner had 21 inch arms and legs that couldn’t grow under any type of stress it seemed. The principle is that a foundation is built with squats, deadlifts, etc. No direct stimulation for arm development is needed in theory if you are focusing on the large muscle compound movements.
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The long head of the tricep doesn’t get a stretched on kickbacks. Skull crushers and overhead extensions are needed to stretch the long head.
So, if you just do skull crushers will your triceps be completely developed maximally in all respects or does it concentrate on the long head?
Should you do kickbacks to concentrate on the lateral head?
https://www.anabolicaliens.com/blog/tricep-dumbbell-kickback
"While the tricep kickback works all three heads of the muscle, it especially targets the lateral head of the triceps."
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So, if you just do skull crushers will your triceps be completely developed maximally in all respects or does it concentrate on the long head?
Should you do kickbacks to concentrate on the lateral head?
https://www.anabolicaliens.com/blog/tricep-dumbbell-kickback
"While the tricep kickback works all three heads of the muscle, it especially targets the lateral head of the triceps."
IronNat
On kickbacks, your elbow is next to your hip
On overhead extensions, your elbow is overhead
The shoulder is in a totally different position. And the long head crosses the shoulder joint.
They are not the same movements
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Yeah of course. My training partner had 21 inch arms and legs that couldn’t grow under any type of stress it seemed. The principle is that a foundation is built with squats, deadlifts, etc. No direct stimulation for arm development is needed in theory if you are focusing on the large muscle compound movements.
So, you don't need to do squats, deadlifts or lower body work to get big arms? The theory of it being necessary sounds logical but falls flat.
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IronNat
On kickbacks, your elbow is next to your hip
On overhead extensions, your elbow area overhead
The shoulder is in a totally different position. And the long head crosses the shoulder joint.
They are not the same movements
I've been training for over 40 years. I know all of what you are saying.
The tricep kickback concentrates on the lateral head. Overhead pressing/extensions concentrate on the long head.
Both movements hit all three heads somewhat.
The tricep kickback is considered a finishing movement for the triceps. You would do it last after heavy pressing.
It is similar to doing tricep pushdowns for the lateral head. You should do them last as a finisher.
To say kickbacks do not develop the tricep is incorrect.
They were commonly done by old time bodybuilders and they worked.
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So, you don't need to do squats, deadlifts or lower body work to get big arms? The theory of it being necessary sounds logical but falls flat.
Correct and you don’t need curls or pushdowns to get big arms.
I think it’s a good principle to teach, especially for beginners that go into it with training arms and neglecting the hard movements.
I guess it could come down to if you had to pick only 3 exercises to perform what would they be.
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I've been training for over 40 years. I know all of what you are saying.
The tricep kickback concentrates on the lateral head. Overhead pressing/extensions concentrate on the long head.
Both movements hit all three heads somewhat.
The tricep kickback is considered a finishing movement for the triceps. You would do it last after heavy pressing.
It is similar to doing tricep pushdowns for the lateral head. You should do them last as a finisher.
To say kickbacks do not develop the tricep is incorrect.
They were commonly done by old time bodybuilders and they worked.
You simply don’t fully understand the long head of the tricep.
“The long head sits on the other side of the horseshoe and runs up the entire arm. In fact, it gets the name “long head” because the long head triceps origin is actually located on the infraglenoid tubercle of the scapula. This means the long head crosses the elbow joint and the shoulder joint, meaning the triceps muscle is actually bi-articular (a muscle that crosses two joints). And again, along with the other two heads, the long head triceps insertion is at the olecranon process of ulna”
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You simply don’t fully understand the long head of the tricep.
“The long head sits on the other side of the horseshoe and runs up the entire arm. In fact, it gets the name “long head” because the long head triceps origin is actually located on the infraglenoid tubercle of the scapula. This means the long head crosses the elbow joint and the shoulder joint, meaning the triceps muscle is actually bi-articular (a muscle that crosses two joints). And again, along with the other two heads, the long head triceps insertion is at the olecranon process of ulna”
I understand how the heads of the tricep work.
We are misunderstanding each other and are not in disagreement.
But to say tricep kickbacks do not build the triceps is incorrect.
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Correct and you don’t need curls or pushdowns to get big arms.
I think it’s a good principle to teach, especially for beginners that go into it with training arms and neglecting the hard movements.
I guess it could come down to if you had to pick only 3 exercises to perform what would they be.
I think you misunderstood what I wrote.
I meant "you do not need to squat or deadlift or do leg work to have big arms".
To this statement you agreed.
Guys with good arms who never train legs are common because most people hate to train legs.
Your arms will naturally get bigger if you squat and deadlift because you will increase your bodyweight. Even so your arm development, shape, peak is genetic.
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I understand how the heads of the tricep work.
We are misunderstanding each other and are not in disagreement.
But to say tricep kickbacks do not build the triceps is incorrect.
Understood. 👍
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So have we figured out if leg extensions will build large triceps?
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So have we figured out if leg extensions will build large triceps?
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the tricep straightens your arm, straighten your arm against resistance and the triceps will respond with growth
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You need to find an excercise that fully works the muscle through its range of motion and stick with it
I remember seeing a Dallas McCarver tricep video and he must have done 7 or 8 different exercises and every single one was a variation of straightening his arm
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the tricep straightens your arm, straighten your arm against resistance and the triceps will respond with growth
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You need to find an excercise that fully works the muscle through its range of motion and stick with it
I remember seeing a Dallas McCarver tricep video and he must have done 7 or 8 different exercises and every single one was a variation of straightening his arm
Yep, same with biceps. People will do 10 different exercises to do the same thing.
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muscles dont know weight, they only know intensity.
Only when your workouts over emphasize muscle confusion. Once you concentrate on building up your muscle memory then your muscles can know many different things.
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Yep, same with biceps. People will do 10 different exercises to do the same thing.
Triceps I do rope extensions and dips on a machine but do them in such a way as it involves my chest as well
Thats all I ever do
Biceps machine preacher curls and standing i arm curls on the overhead cable crossover
I just do as many sets as I need to tire the muscle out
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To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.
When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.
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Just to confirm, at the beginning of this thread, David D was joking when he said that bicep curls build the quads.
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To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.
When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.
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yes because 1-arm tricep kick-backs build giant mass & power like close-grip bench, jm press and floor-presses. ::)
exactly why would it not it woul hit back n tris
Instead of chest and tris
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To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.
When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.
Squats and deadlifts have to be the two most overrated exercises for muscle building.
A lot of it is natty cope, like the 20 rep breathing squats to spike your hormones lol.
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this thread means nothing at the end of the day youre still the same as long as u got off your ass and spent all your energy on working or liftin weights your body reacts in a fatigued or hungry way.... Thats it , no gains , no 40 pound increase on rows month to month or yearly even
I can do yates rows for ten years straight i will not gain a 100pounds of row strength maybe 👍😂
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Just to confirm, at the beginning of this thread, David D was joking when he said that bicep curls build the quads.
To build muscle:
Squats help build leg and calf muscles and also create an anabolic environment that promotes body-wide muscle building.
When done properly, they trigger the release of testosterone and human growth hormone – needed for muscle growth.
this thread means nothing at the end of the day youre still the same as long as u got off your ass and spent all your energy on working or liftin weights your body reacts in a fatigued or hungry way.... Thats it , no gains , no 40 pound increase on rows month to month or yearly even
I can do yates rows for ten years straight i will not gain a 100pounds of row strength maybe 👍😂
Was I?
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there are no gains to be had by one exercise over another just new angles
Dorian was all drugs
this, hard to build a thick dense back without some sort of enhancment