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https://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/17792-md-exclusive-off-season-pro-cycle.html#.Ym3DXS8w1TY
WEEKS 1-4:
1) 1000mg Sustanon blend (twice per week)
2) 600mg nandrolone phenylpropionate (three times per week)
3) 50mg oxymetholone with breakfast and 50mg pre-workout (sublingually)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasted) & 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner)
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 50μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) thyroxine 25μg with breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
9) 0.5mg cabergoline twice per week
WEEKS 5-8:
1) 1000mg testosterone cypionate (twice per week)
2) 600mg Equipoise(boldenone undecyclate - twice per week)
3) 60mg methandienone (20mg with breakfast, 20mg pre-workout, 10mg dinner - every eight hours)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasted) and 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner).
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 100μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) thyroxine 25μg wth breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
WEEKS 9-12:
1) 1000mg testosterone enanthate (twice per week)
2) 600mg trenbolone enanthate (twice per week)
3) 30mg fluoxymesterone (10mg with breakfast and 10mg pre-workout sublingually)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasting) and 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner).
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 100μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) 25mcg T4 with breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
9) 0.5mg cabergoline twice per week
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/Dt_T2.jpg)
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Dr. George uses all that gear and looks like that?? ??? ??? ???
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That guy looks natural.
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I don't know if this is his cycle as he does say it's a "pro cycle".
But I wouldn't be surprised if it was. I've seen other pics of him and he did look a bit more impressive than this one.
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Just the basics. All doctor prescribed.
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Adderall from the maid.
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Fuck! ….. .. I don’t even know what some :-\of that stuff is! :-\
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Fucking insane ...over 4 grams of gear a week, messing with insulin. Just a disaster waiting to happen... What moron came up with this shit???
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wtf!!!!
so pathetic
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Fucking insane ...over 4 grams of gear a week, messing with insulin. Just a disaster waiting to happen... What moron came up with this shit???
A legit Greek Doctor (pathologist) also a steroid "expert". He is actually very knowledge and has a lot of good answers on a wide variety of medical subjects (I watched his youtube stuff for a while) This cycle however is baffling. Maybe it was done for attention.
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https://www.musculardevelopment.com/articles/chemical-enhancement/17792-md-exclusive-off-season-pro-cycle.html#.Ym3DXS8w1TY
WEEKS 1-4:
1) 1000mg Sustanon blend (twice per week)
2) 600mg nandrolone phenylpropionate (three times per week)
3) 50mg oxymetholone with breakfast and 50mg pre-workout (sublingually)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasted) & 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner)
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 50μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) thyroxine 25μg with breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
9) 0.5mg cabergoline twice per week
WEEKS 5-8:
1) 1000mg testosterone cypionate (twice per week)
2) 600mg Equipoise(boldenone undecyclate - twice per week)
3) 60mg methandienone (20mg with breakfast, 20mg pre-workout, 10mg dinner - every eight hours)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasted) and 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner).
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 100μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) thyroxine 25μg wth breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
WEEKS 9-12:
1) 1000mg testosterone enanthate (twice per week)
2) 600mg trenbolone enanthate (twice per week)
3) 30mg fluoxymesterone (10mg with breakfast and 10mg pre-workout sublingually)
4) hGH 4iu AM (fasting) and 4iu PM (post-workout)
5) 5iu fast-acting insulin with breakfast and 5iu fast-acting insulin post-workout (30′ after hGH use and after dinner).
In case IGF-1 is available, then we use 100μg post-workout (instead of insulin)
6) 25mcg T4 with breakfast ED
7) 25mg mesterolone with breakfast and 25mg pre-workout ED
8) 1mg anastrozole EOD
9) 0.5mg cabergoline twice per week
If prescribed, it's just TRT bro.
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Just to clarify...what is the association between that cycle and this man? I could see this being a steroid user, but presumably not someone on a pro level stack:
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/Dr_T4.jpg)
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/Dr_T1.jpg)
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that's not georges cycle.
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Just to clarify...what is the association between that cycle and this man? I could see this being a steroid user, but presumably not someone on a pro level stack:
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/Dr_T4.jpg)
(https://www.musculardevelopment.com/images/Dr_T1.jpg)
that's george. dr fella from greece. he may live here now, havent talked to him in over a year, but he's as knowledgeable as anyone on AAS.
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Fucking insane ...over 4 grams of gear a week, messing with insulin. Just a disaster waiting to happen... What moron came up with this shit???
wtf do you know about any of this?
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strong hair genetics of peace
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that's george. dr fella from greece. he may live here now, havent talked to him in over a year, but he's as knowledgeable as anyone on AAS.
That reminds me of my Greek ex-girlfriend, who I miss. I asked her if I go on gear, if she would come back. She said no, but I'd bet if I did a cycle, she'd notice.
Question:
Is that cycle really so bad for a pro cycle? Basically four grams of gear a week and 8iu of GH per day...how is that excessive?
Didn't Dallas McCarver's autopsy suggest he was on something like 20 grams of gear a week, or something similarly insane? 12-15g, maybe?
Wasn't it Nasser El Sonbaty who popularized taking 10g of testosterone weekly as a base?
Dave Pulcinella told me in an interview that 3g of anabolics per week was on the low end of things.
I just dug up an archive of the interview:
Q: What do you think about drugs in bodybuilding?
A: The drugs are necessary to achieve anything of any significance in this sport. Unfortunate but true. The good lord did not give us the requisite amounts of hormones to do this naturally. It's just that simple. Amounts and dosages continue to escalate, of course. As the sport progresses, so do the drugs amounts. Scary! I remember a guy at a show once telling me he was using three grams a week and that blew my mind. Now that is a low end number.
https://web.archive.org/web/20070608191410/http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/davepulcinellainterview05052007.html
I have no reason to doubt him.
So is 4g of total gear + GH and insulin really so much?
This cycle looked like a lot to me - but it's more like, just a lot of different compounds. That would make it hard to track what gear is causing what side effects...but in terms of total gear used, I'm sure that lots of pros use much more. No?
strong hair genetics of peace
LOL. ;D
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2-4mg plus pharm gh + slin is a reasonable estimate for a pro cycle on the low end
I dont think its real bc the drug choice doesnt make much sense (why switch from sust to cyp to enth, why use halo in the offseason, tren enth isnt v popular) but the total amounts are about right
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Anyone taking a gram of real tren would end up in a psych ward
The old French Parabalon 76mgs in 1.5ml of oil were unbelievable
I never met anyone who could take more than 3 a week
Low back pumps and emotional mess
If those doses are correct its because they are coming from esfitness bathtub
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He's no Bhanky.
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That reminds me of my Greek ex-girlfriend, who I miss. I asked her if I go on gear, if she would come back. She said no, but I'd bet if I did a cycle, she'd notice.
???
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???
What kind of sick reasoning is that?
What is your juicing to do with her coming her back?
And even weirder is, you asking her take on that???
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This is why I try and educate as there is blatantly dangerous false information out there. But all anyone wants to do is argue about how you classify it as if that changes anything.
500mg a week of testosterone split in 2 weekly shots is plenty to induce cocooning effect and put you in an anabolic state no more is needed.
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This is why I try and educate as there is blatantly dangerous false information out there. But all anyone wants to do is argue about how you classify it as if that changes anything.
500mg a week of testosterone split in 2 weekly shots is plenty to induce cocooning effect and put you in an anabolic state no more is needed.
Let's calm down with the drug advice, at least until you win something.
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Let's calm down with the drug advice, at least until you win something.
I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
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I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
I misunderstood your point. I apologize.
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500mg a week of testosterone split in 2 weekly shots is plenty to induce cocooning effect and put you in an anabolic state no more is needed.
can you please elaborate on the cocooning effect? im unfamiliar
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Dr. George uses all that gear and looks like that?? ??? ??? ???
Lmfao!
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I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
Why not just be natty?
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that's george. dr fella from greece. he may live here now, havent talked to him in over a year, but he's as knowledgeable as anyone on AAS.
Dr George? From Greece?
Kinda reminds me of this fella
(http://media.giphy.com/media/WvS3WkUF1ww6s/giphy.gif)
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Why not just be natty?
Bro
He is natty. That's half a gram of bio-identical hormone replacement = totally natural
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Dr George? From Greece?
Kinda reminds me of this fella
(http://media.giphy.com/media/WvS3WkUF1ww6s/giphy.gif)
(https://comb.io/IgFSt0.gif)
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I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
you have shrunk since last year
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(https://comb.io/IgFSt0.gif)
:D
Perfect reply of peace... 8)
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you have shrunk since last year
Most of him, but not his nipples - they're bigger than ever
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Bro
He is natty. That's half a gram of bio-identical hormone replacement = totally natural
Bro...
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I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
What wasting disease do you have?
Restless leg syndrome??
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you have shrunk since last year
I lost weight to get as lean as possible for a classic show. I absolutely have grown my legs this last year. I am also sitting 208 again right now. Meanwhile you look like you never stepped in a gym so piss off
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What wasting disease do you have?
This is the first time I've heard baldness referred to as a wasting disease. ;D
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I lost weight to get as lean as possible for a classic show. I absolutely have grown my legs this last year. I am also sitting 208 again right now. Meanwhile you look like you never stepped in a gym so piss off
Brutal if true
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What wasting disease do you have?
Restless leg syndrome??
You are so fucking dumb it hurts. First off let us talk about vegetable oil. It is pure fat it is about the most calorie dense food you can eat. It is absolutely an efficient way to get out of a catabolic calorie deficit and put the body back into an anabolic surplus. It is also easy to digest. Supplementing with various fats and oils is smart MCT oil is great as is olive oil but any vegetable oil is going to contain a ton of calories in dense easily digestible format. Fats also have unique anabolic properties.
2nd Crohn's is a wasting disease you dumb fuck it causes dehydration weight loss and malnutrition aka fucking wasting you ignorant ass. You think everything is a lie because you have no actual knowledge about diet nutrition training or hormonal support. Meanwhile I am middle aged with a wasting disease various injuries and still put you to shame. Maybe you should stop trying to argue and start fucking listening.
"A chronic inflammation of the digestive tract that leads to abdominal pain, severe diarrhea, fatigue, weight loss and malnutrition."
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Bro
He is natty. That's half a gram of bio-identical hormone replacement = totally natural
500mg is an effective dosage as you get older you need more not less to get the same response your body is less sensitive it responds less. Clinics prescribing half that are just wasting peoples time and money for a placebo effect. If you want the body to behave and react as if it was 25 years old you need 500mg. If you want the body to convert and raise your estrogen ( this is key ) you need 500mg that additional fluid retention and joint lubrication is essential to get any actual positive effects. Do not take the anti estrogen they prescribe save it until the end then drop everything and use it to clean out and recover with the HGH you also saved and any anavar if you could get it prescribed all of these things will prevent a crash while your receptors and digestive track clear out. Then after a few weeks you are ready to go again. Just because you are prescribed by a clinic A,B,C everyday at X,Y,Z dosage doesn't mean you should follow their protocol. Cocoon with the estrogen then drop the estrogen clean out rest and then go again.
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The dude in the photo with the lid … If he’s on anything beyond TRT he has absolute shit muscle genetics.
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The dude in the photo with the lid … If he’s on anything beyond TRT he has absolute shit muscle genetics.
Again, if you have white teeth no one says if you used a whitening toothpaste, you have yellow teeth fucking nonsense if your teeth are white, they are white. You idiots spend all day arguing over nonsense instead of whitening your damn yellow teeth. Most of you don't even workout and want to argue over the proper way to do a rep all day. Just a bunch of slobs trying to tell someone with single digit bodyfat what they should eat and how they should train
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Again, if you have white teeth no one says if you used a whitening toothpaste, you have yellow teeth fucking nonsense if your teeth are white, they are white. You idiots spend all day arguing over nonsense instead of whitening your damn yellow teeth. Most of you don't even workout and want to argue over the proper way to do a rep all day. Just a bunch of slobs trying to tell someone with single digit bodyfat what they should eat and how they should train
B+ for punctuation but C for grammar and usage.
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500mg is an effective dosage as you get older you need more not less to get the same response your body is less sensitive it responds less. Clinics prescribing half that are just wasting peoples time and money for a placebo effect. If you want the body to behave and react as if it was 25 years old you need 500mg. If you want the body to convert and raise your estrogen ( this is key ) you need 500mg that additional fluid retention and joint lubrication is essential to get any actual positive effects. Do not take the anti estrogen they prescribe save it until the end then drop everything and use it to clean out and recover with the HGH you also saved and any anavar if you could get it prescribed all of these things will prevent a crash while your receptors and digestive track clear out. Then after a few weeks you are ready to go again. Just because you are prescribed by a clinic A,B,C everyday at X,Y,Z dosage doesn't mean you should follow their protocol. Cocoon with the estrogen then drop the estrogen clean out rest and then go again.
Not arguing dude - I think you've misunderstood me a little. I fuck with you because you were rude to me for no reason (and your over-reactions are hilarious) But it's all in fun. I wish I could find a Doc to prescribe me that sort of stuff (anavar, FFS?!?)
Right - honesty over - normal service is resumed - what exercise do you recommend to give me nipples as huge as yours? ;D
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bhank
why do waste time on guys who donteven train
or are gays
they live for your reaction
you know that right
one of them
even brought up grammer
who fucking cares
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500mg is an effective dosage as you get older you need more not less to get the same response your body is less sensitive it responds less. Clinics prescribing half that are just wasting peoples time and money for a placebo effect. If you want the body to behave and react as if it was 25 years old you need 500mg. If you want the body to convert and raise your estrogen ( this is key ) you need 500mg that additional fluid retention and joint lubrication is essential to get any actual positive effects. Do not take the anti estrogen they prescribe save it until the end then drop everything and use it to clean out and recover with the HGH you also saved and any anavar if you could get it prescribed all of these things will prevent a crash while your receptors and digestive track clear out. Then after a few weeks you are ready to go again. Just because you are prescribed by a clinic A,B,C everyday at X,Y,Z dosage doesn't mean you should follow their protocol. Cocoon with the estrogen then drop the estrogen clean out rest and then go again.
Interested to hear some recommended dosages on the below please?
HGH HCG CLOMID KISSPEPTIN IGF1 FSH PLASMA TRANSFUSIONS STEM CELL THERAPY Danazol and Anavar
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3200 a week of orals and oils combined
without use of slin or gh
will get you shreded glutes
200 mg a day of tren is gamechanger for those who like me didnt use gh or slin
this is to compete of course
a blast into it
weekly
1000cyp
1000 eq
1200-1400 tren
thats all a person needs to win provided your genetically capable to recieve this
shape is big factor as well more impirtant than any drug
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bhank
why do waste time on guys who donteven train
or are gays
they live for your reaction
you know that right
one of them
even brought up grammer
who fucking cares
C- for grammar and usage.
D for lack of punctuation.
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F is for
Fuck off
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3200 a week of orals and oils combined
without use of slin or gh
will get you shreded glutes
200 mg a day of tren is gamechanger for those who like me didnt use gh or slin
this is to compete of course
a blast into it
weekly
1000cyp
1000 eq
1200-1400 tren
thats all a person needs to win provided your genetically capable to recieve this
shape is big factor as well more impirtant than any drug
Thanks - just quoting this so I can pick it up again at some point [QQ142]
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You don’t even workout dude
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You don’t even workout dude
Neither do you.
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Most of you don't even workout and want to argue over the proper way to do a rep all day. Just a bunch of slobs.
Wanna do a squat-off with Fortress, Whank?
Whatever your top set is for 10, I’ll add 100 pounds and match it, plus perform five additional reps, just to make you whimper in brutal defeat. Oh, and sit in the hole on the last repetition for five seconds.
And I’ll likely not break a sweat.
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Neither do you.
Sure I do
I go about once a month to revive gym
In Stuart
I’m 215 and people think I workout all the time
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Wanna do a squat-off with Fortress, Whank?
Whatever your top set is for 10, I’ll add 100 pounds and match it, plus perform five additional reps, just to make you whimper in brutal defeat. Oh, and sit in the hole on the last repetition for five seconds.
And I’ll likely not break a sweat.
. Can you do 5 sets of 20 with 315?
And not lock out at top and drop it below knee level
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You are so fucking dumb it hurts. First off let us talk about vegetable oil. It is pure fat it is about the most calorie dense food you can eat. It is absolutely an efficient way to get out of a catabolic calorie deficit and put the body back into an anabolic surplus. It is also easy to digest. Supplementing with various fats and oils is smart MCT oil is great as is olive oil but any vegetable oil is going to contain a ton of calories in dense easily digestible format. Fats also have unique anabolic properties.
2nd Crohn's is a wasting disease you dumb fuck it causes dehydration weight loss and malnutrition aka fucking wasting you ignorant ass. You think everything is a lie because you have no actual knowledge about diet nutrition training or hormonal support. Meanwhile I am middle aged with a wasting disease various injuries and still put you to shame. Maybe you should stop trying to argue and start fucking listening.
"A chronic inflammation of the digestive tract that leads to abdominal pain, severe diarrhea, fatigue, weight loss and malnutrition."
So it’s now crohns coupled with anorexia.
Which one is it?
Seems like you can’t even keep up with your ailments.
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. Can you do 5 sets of 20 with 315?
And not lock out at top and drop it below knee level
With 10 minutes between each set, sure. Hahaha Maybe 15 the last one or two.
;D
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Sure I do
I go about once a month to revive gym
In Stuart
I’m 215 and people think I workout all the time
Once a month is training? How often are golfing?
You've built a base over the years so of course you would look like you work out.
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That reminds me of my Greek ex-girlfriend, who I miss. I asked her if I go on gear, if she would come back. She said no, but I'd bet if I did a cycle, she'd notice.
Question:
Is that cycle really so bad for a pro cycle? Basically four grams of gear a week and 8iu of GH per day...how is that excessive?
Didn't Dallas McCarver's autopsy suggest he was on something like 20 grams of gear a week, or something similarly insane? 12-15g, maybe?
Wasn't it Nasser El Sonbaty who popularized taking 10g of testosterone weekly as a base?
Dave Pulcinella told me in an interview that 3g of anabolics per week was on the low end of things.
I just dug up an archive of the interview:
https://web.archive.org/web/20070608191410/http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/davepulcinellainterview05052007.html
I have no reason to doubt him.
So is 4g of total gear + GH and insulin really so much?
This cycle looked like a lot to me - but it's more like, just a lot of different compounds. That would make it hard to track what gear is causing what side effects...but in terms of total gear used, I'm sure that lots of pros use much more. No?
LOL. ;D
because there's always been a bunch of guys on here who've either never used anything more than some dbol, or they were too afraid to use anything more than a gram of test and convinced themselves that 1-2grams is a HUGE amount... they make themselves feel better by saying 'wow that's a MASSIVE amount of drugs, he'll be dead soon, AND he looks like shit' implying they look much better with much less drugs.
it's delusional. 4-6g is where EVERYTHING works, the only limiting factor is eating enough food.
consider guys in the 70s and 80s were using similar amounts. when test was made illegal the price went up. how many bottles of Steris or Schein cyp would you use per week if they were only $12-15?
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I am not giving drug advice. I am advising against all these compounds and recommending simple TRT. I have an actual wasting disease I am middle aged and don't have the best genetics and I am still able to grow on 500mg no more is needed especially for the slobs on getbig most of you don't even train.
In what world is 500 mg even close to trt?
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In what world is 500 mg even close to trt?
Hankinsville, USA - Where the test flows, the maids hook you up with a fat sack, the big cats roam free, and the bitches know their place. Yeehaw!
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because there's always been a bunch of guys on here who've either never used anything more than some dbol, or they were too afraid to use anything more than a gram of test and convinced themselves that 1-2grams is a HUGE amount... they make themselves feel better by saying 'wow that's a MASSIVE amount of drugs, he'll be dead soon, AND he looks like shit' implying they look much better with much less drugs.
it's delusional. 4-6g is where EVERYTHING works, the only limiting factor is eating enough food.
consider guys in the 70s and 80s were using similar amounts. when test was made illegal the price went up. how many bottles of Steris or Schein cyp would you use per week if they were only $12-15?
why did it never work for you?
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In what world is 500 mg even close to trt?
In the real world that is an effective anti aging dosage anything less is just bullshit placebo
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In the real world that is an effective anti aging dosage anything less is just bullshit placebo
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You are so fucking dumb it hurts. First off let us talk about vegetable oil. It is pure fat it is about the most calorie dense food you can eat. It is absolutely an efficient way to get out of a catabolic calorie deficit and put the body back into an anabolic surplus. It is also easy to digest. Supplementing with various fats and oils is smart MCT oil is great as is olive oil but any vegetable oil is going to contain a ton of calories in dense easily digestible format. Fats also have unique anabolic properties.
2nd Crohn's is a wasting disease you dumb fuck it causes dehydration weight loss and malnutrition aka fucking wasting you ignorant ass. You think everything is a lie because you have no actual knowledge about diet nutrition training or hormonal support. Meanwhile I am middle aged with a wasting disease various injuries and still put you to shame. Maybe you should stop trying to argue and start fucking listening.
"A chronic inflammation of the digestive tract that leads to abdominal pain, severe diarrhea, fatigue, weight loss and malnutrition."
(https://images.heb.com/is/image/HEBGrocery/001077140)
Bhanky,
What is your go-to vegetable oil?
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(https://images.heb.com/is/image/HEBGrocery/001077140)
Bhanky,
What is your go-to vegetable oil?
MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet
https://www.oliviadaolive.com/olive-oil-for-bodybuilders-benefits/#:~:text=What%20are%20Benefits%20of%20Olive%20Oil%20for%20Bodybuilding%3F,Increases%20sensitivity%20to%20insulin.%20...%20More%20items...%20
https://www.forbes.com/health/body/what-is-mct-oil/
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/mct-oil-is-it-the-ultimate-way-to-burn-fat.html
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Have you tried castor oil mixed with grass clippings?
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MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet
https://www.oliviadaolive.com/olive-oil-for-bodybuilders-benefits/#:~:text=What%20are%20Benefits%20of%20Olive%20Oil%20for%20Bodybuilding%3F,Increases%20sensitivity%20to%20insulin.%20...%20More%20items...%20
https://www.forbes.com/health/body/what-is-mct-oil/
https://www.bodybuilding.com/content/mct-oil-is-it-the-ultimate-way-to-burn-fat.html
Ok.
The term "vegetable oil" usually refers to oils other than olive oil.
"Vegetable oil" would be soybean, corn, flaxseed, etc.
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(http://www.tomonagura.com/_Media/sperm-oil-1a_med_hr.jpeg).
Don't get your hopes up too much Brian, it's just whale oil, but it could be your new ticket to size and strength. Ever though we don't see them much, whales are huge.
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In the real world that is an effective anti aging dosage anything less is just bullshit placebo
500 mg is not trt..
So you think you can go see any endo and they will prescribe 500 mg of test?
With a statement like that. You prove your body is all drugs.. if 500 mg is trt .. you are clearly doing cycles of 1200-2000 mg a week of test. You have posted on other boards your cycle.
in the real world.. you mean at Bev's Powerhouse?
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Ok.
The term "vegetable oil" usually refers to oils other than olive oil.
"Vegetable oil" would be soybean, corn, flaxseed, etc.
Flaxseed oil is also good but the concept doesn't change all oils are extremely calorie dense foods and therefore a very efficient way to increase calories
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why did it never work for you?
Sweet Spot Of Peace
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Ok.
The term "vegetable oil" usually refers to oils other than olive oil.
"Vegetable oil" would be soybean, corn, flaxseed, etc.
thick twat doesnt even know what vegetable oil is
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You don’t even workout dude
Brutal not true
So it’s now crohns coupled with anorexia.
Which one is it?
Crohnorexia...?
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thick twat doesnt even know what vegetable oil is
Again simply because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is wrong. Pick any fucking oil in your pantry they are all concentrated fats. You guys want to argue over fruit and vegetable TRT and cycle when it doesn't fucking matter how you classify it 500mg is 500mg and a cup of oil from your pantry is pure fat I don't give a fuck which oil you use. A tomato is a tomato whether you call it a fruit or a vegetable whether it is 5 mini tomatoes or 2 large tomotoes a pound is a fucking pound. Whether it came from your garden or you stole it from your neighbor call it a fruit or a vegetable a pound of tomatoes is a pound of tomatoes.
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Again simply because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is wrong. Pick any fucking oil in your pantry they are all concentrated fats. You guys want to argue over fruit and vegetable TRT and cycle when it doesn't fucking matter how you classify it 500mg is 500mg and a cup of oil from your pantry is pure fat I don't give a fuck which oil you use. A tomato is a tomato whether you call it a fruit or a vegetable whether it is 5 mini tomatoes or 2 large tomotoes a pound is a fucking pound. Whether it came from your garden or you stole it from your neighbor a pound of tomatoes is a pound of tomatoes.
And 185 lbs of your shitty physique is still 185 lbs of your shitty physique.
To be properly stage ready you would weigh 175 lbs, at most.
All drugs and bullshit
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And 185 lbs of your shitty physique is still 185 lbs of your shitty physique.
To be properly stage ready you would weigh 175 lbs, at most.
All drugs and bullshit
You don't even workout just stop it We all know damn well I destroy you. You literally come on here just to start your gay fetish talk with other men
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You don't even workout just stop it We all know damn well I destroy you. You literally come on here just to start your gay fetish talk with other men
and you picked up on it?
I never noticed
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Again simply because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is wrong. Pick any fucking oil in your pantry they are all concentrated fats. You guys want to argue over fruit and vegetable TRT and cycle when it doesn't fucking matter how you classify it 500mg is 500mg and a cup of oil from your pantry is pure fat I don't give a fuck which oil you use. A tomato is a tomato whether you call it a fruit or a vegetable whether it is 5 mini tomatoes or 2 large tomotoes a pound is a fucking pound. Whether it came from your garden or you stole it from your neighbor call it a fruit or a vegetable a pound of tomatoes is a pound of tomatoes.
says the man who shits blood
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Ok.
The term "vegetable oil" usually refers to oils other than olive oil.
"Vegetable oil" would be soybean, corn, flaxseed, etc.
He has to be trolling. No one so worldly and well read would ever confuse vegetable oil with olive oil. Although they are similar, they are two distinctively different items.
It would be like referring to Oreos as being the same as the store brand of cookie.
Or like saying bitcoin and dogecoin are the same type of digital currency.
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Again simply because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is wrong. Pick any fucking oil in your pantry they are all concentrated fats. You guys want to argue over fruit and vegetable TRT and cycle when it doesn't fucking matter how you classify it 500mg is 500mg and a cup of oil from your pantry is pure fat I don't give a fuck which oil you use. A tomato is a tomato whether you call it a fruit or a vegetable whether it is 5 mini tomatoes or 2 large tomotoes a pound is a fucking pound. Whether it came from your garden or you stole it from your neighbor call it a fruit or a vegetable a pound of tomatoes is a pound of tomatoes.
500 mg of test doesn't classify as TRT. You can play the scenario any way you like in your head but no doctor or any publication suggest 500 mg as a trt doses.
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He has to be trolling. No one so worldly and well read would ever confuse vegetable oil with olive oil. Although they are similar, they are two distinctively different items.
It would be like referring to Oreos as being the same as the store brand of cookie.
Or like saying bitcoin and dogecoin are the same type of digital currency.
AGAIN I DONT CARE WHOICH FUCKING ONE YOU USE IF YOU ARE IN A PROLONGED CALORIE DEFICIT AND CANT GET OUT OF IT EITHER IS GOING TO WORK AS BOTH ARE PURE FAT AND EXTREMELY CALORIE DENSE AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MOTOR OIL AND COMES OUT OF YOUR PANTRY ANY FUCKING OIL WILL WORK A SCOOP OF FUCKING CRISCO OR A CHUNK OF LARD WILL WORK REGARDLESS IT IS ALL FAT ANY OIL YOU PUT ON A SALAD IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH????
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500 mg of test doesn't classify as TRT. You can play the scenario any way you like in your head but no doctor or any publication suggest 500 mg as a trt doses.
Whether you take 4 50mg baby aspirin or 2 200mg regular aspirin whether you got it from CVS or Stole it out of your friend's medicine cabinet 200mg of aspirin is 200 mg of aspirin I don't give a fuck how you classify it break it down or judge it 200mg is 200mg you dumb fuck keep arguing over the irrelevant like a fucking moron no one cares how the fuck you classify a damn thing
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Whether you take 4 50mg baby aspirin or 2 200mg regular aspirin whether you got it from CVS or Stole it out of your friend's medicine cabinet 200mg of aspirin is 200 mg of aspirin I don't give a fuck how you classify it break it down or judge it 200mg is 200mg you dumb fuck keep arguing over the irrelevant like a fucking moron no one cares how the fuck you classify a damn thing
(https://c.tenor.com/2dypBiacgj8AAAAC/confusion-maths.gif)
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Don't get your hopes up too much Brian, it's just whale oil, but it could be your new ticket to size and strength. Ever though we don't see them much, whales are huge.
I guess you don't click on the Kwon threads ;D
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"Hey, Brian, What's your go-to vegetable oil?"
"MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet."
"Olive oil is distinct from vegetable oil."
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/937/655/73c.jpg)
"PICK ANY FUCKING OIL IN YOUR PANTRY THEY ARE ALL CONCENTRATED FATS. YOU GUYS WANT TO ARGUE OVER FRUIT AND VEGETABLE TRT AND CYCLE WHEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER."
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DigitalGreatCornsnake-size_restricted.gif)
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You don't even workout just stop it We all know damn well I destroy you. You literally come on here just to start your gay fetish talk with other men
I told you that if you were stage ready you would be under 180 lbs.
Even on 2-3 grams a week you still couldn’t break 175 lbs cut and dry.
And you’re broke bald and stupid - the only thing that you beat is small women. The only thing getting destroyed in this thread is you and your well worn out anus.
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"Hey, Brian, What's your go-to vegetable oil?"
"MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet."
"Olive oil is distinct from vegetable oil."
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/937/655/73c.jpg)
"PICK ANY FUCKING OIL IN YOUR PANTRY THEY ARE ALL CONCENTRATED FATS. YOU GUYS WANT TO ARGUE OVER FRUIT AND VEGETABLE TRT AND CYCLE WHEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER."
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DigitalGreatCornsnake-size_restricted.gif)
It's all liquid fat any liquid fat you would prefer hell you can use animal based fat it doesn't matter all will work
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I told you that if you were stage ready you would be under 180 lbs.
Even on 2-3 grams a week you still couldn’t break 175 lbs cut and dry.
And you’re broke bald and stupid - the only thing that you beat is small women. The only thing getting destroyed in this thread is you and your well worn out anus.
Except I looked like skelator with no fat and bone dry at 195lbs. I am also 210lbs this very moment and my home is a personal waterfront resort. But glad to see you are back to talking dirty to men online you homo
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Bhank: “I’m 100% drug free, except for the 3 grams of bodybuilding drugs I take a week for my self-diagnosed wasting disease.
And I never assaulted was convicted of assaulting any women.
And I have a full head of hair.
And I’m 5’-11.
Just ask my Mommy”
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Except I looked like skelator with no fat and bone dry at 195lbs. I am also 210lbs this very moment and my home is a personal waterfront resort. But glad to see you are back to talking dirty to men online you homo
You didn’t look like Skelator, you looked like a skeleton.
You were 185 lbs and your body was shutting down because of the drugs you were taking.
You couldn’t have placed top ten in a Women’s Fitness show.
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3-4 grams of combined AAS with some GH and Slin is a pretty normal amount for guys who take it seriously.
I've known dozens of guys who have gone over 5 grams a week for extended amounts of time.
I would never recommend using more than a gram a week for the normal lifter, but if you compete at a high level you absolutely are taking at least 3-4 grams a week, with all the other goodies.
His Slin dosage seems quite a bit low to me.
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Again simply because you are ignorant doesn't mean it is wrong. Pick any fucking oil in your pantry they are all concentrated fats. You guys want to argue over fruit and vegetable TRT and cycle when it doesn't fucking matter how you classify it 500mg is 500mg and a cup of oil from your pantry is pure fat I don't give a fuck which oil you use. A tomato is a tomato whether you call it a fruit or a vegetable whether it is 5 mini tomatoes or 2 large tomotoes a pound is a fucking pound. Whether it came from your garden or you stole it from your neighbor call it a fruit or a vegetable a pound of tomatoes is a pound of tomatoes.
You are one fucked up dude hanky.
Not all of us steal from our neighbors.
We know you do.
Because you are a piece of shit.
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AGAIN I DONT CARE WHOICH FUCKING ONE YOU USE IF YOU ARE IN A PROLONGED CALORIE DEFICIT AND CANT GET OUT OF IT EITHER IS GOING TO WORK AS BOTH ARE PURE FAT AND EXTREMELY CALORIE DENSE AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MOTOR OIL AND COMES OUT OF YOUR PANTRY ANY FUCKING OIL WILL WORK A SCOOP OF FUCKING CRISCO OR A CHUNK OF LARD WILL WORK REGARDLESS IT IS ALL FAT ANY OIL YOU PUT ON A SALAD IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH????
(https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/234/23465.gif)
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Bhank: “I’m 100% drug free, except for the 3 grams of bodybuilding drugs I take a week for my self-diagnosed wasting disease.
And I never assaulted was convicted of assaulting any women.
And I have a full head of hair.
And I’m 5’-11.
Just ask my Mommy”
Size 48 coat, bro.
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He's obviously angry and having an amphetamine fit from too much Adderall.
We might need to have a welfare check done on his wife and new kids.
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(http://www.tomonagura.com/_Media/sperm-oil-1a_med_hr.jpeg).
Don't get your hopes up too much Brian, it's just whale oil, but it could be your new ticket to size and strength. Ever though we don't see them much, whales are huge.
Many posters on here would live inside that bottle if they could
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Anyone taking a gram of real tren would end up in a psych ward
The old French Parabalon 76mgs in 1.5ml of oil were unbelievable
I never met anyone who could take more than 3 a week
Low back pumps and emotional mess
If those doses are correct its because they are coming from esfitness bathtub
100% Correct
Even Dorian said he couldn't cope with more 3 x 76mg
The Lower Back Pump / Was insane & would lock solid
2 a week Was Great for Me - Ridiculously strong & in good condition without really
Trying !!!
Amazing Stuff it Was.
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thick twat doesnt even know what vegetable oil is
He is The Vegetable 😀 👍🏻
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Size 48 coat, bro.
48 EU
38 US
There is a sizing conversion.
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500 mg for a year is trt.
I’m sure DNP is just multi vit and synthol is just b12
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100% Correct
Even Dorian said he couldn't cope with more 3 x 76mg
The Lower Back Pump / Was insane & would lock solid
2 a week Was Great for Me - Ridiculously strong & in good condition without really
Trying !!!
Amazing Stuff it Was.
Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy. I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....
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Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy. I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....
People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+× clinical male dosage.
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People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+× clinical male dosage.
Did you use the French Para yourself?
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Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy. I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....
Yes it was great .
My Strength level was Ridiculous- Ha I should've gone back to powerlifting 🤷🏻♂️
I was all Clean when I was competing in powerlifting ( Silly Me - Young & Daft)
Still won 3x British Champs .
Fcuk when I look back & Think 🤔 Hmm what could've been. 😢😢
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
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People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+× clinical male dosage.
Ok Mr Expert - How Many a Day did you take ??
And what level of physique completion did you attain ??
Your starting to Piss me off.
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AGAIN I DONT CARE WHOICH FUCKING ONE YOU USE IF YOU ARE IN A PROLONGED CALORIE DEFICIT AND CANT GET OUT OF IT EITHER IS GOING TO WORK AS BOTH ARE PURE FAT AND EXTREMELY CALORIE DENSE AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MOTOR OIL AND COMES OUT OF YOUR PANTRY ANY FUCKING OIL WILL WORK A SCOOP OF FUCKING CRISCO OR A CHUNK OF LARD WILL WORK REGARDLESS IT IS ALL FAT ANY OIL YOU PUT ON A SALAD IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH????
You’re a car guy, would you mistake transmission fluid for motor oil?
If your mechanic kept referring to oil as transmission fluid and when you corrected him he would say you’re wrong, it’s all the same thing, you can use them interchangeably, you wouldn’t say, “you know what you’re right.”
Or we can use 87 octane gasoline and race fuel, they’re the same thing if you need gasoline in a pinch but they’re not the same over an extended period.
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"Hey, Brian, What's your go-to vegetable oil?"
"MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet."
"Olive oil is distinct from vegetable oil."
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/937/655/73c.jpg)
"PICK ANY FUCKING OIL IN YOUR PANTRY THEY ARE ALL CONCENTRATED FATS. YOU GUYS WANT TO ARGUE OVER FRUIT AND VEGETABLE TRT AND CYCLE WHEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER."
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DigitalGreatCornsnake-size_restricted.gif)
Lol
A calorie is a calorie after all.
Does Bhanks hang out with TA?
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Did you use the French Para yourself?
Yes I did. You know what happened? I ended up in the psych ward with severe panic attacks. I was in hell for months. So I know about the psychological effects and they are real. But they don't affect everyone the same plus in my case an antidepressant took away the panic attacks and I could suddenly take tren. You don't think a pro on Nubain and Benzos can't handle tren?
Doesn't change the fact that various drugs can be tolerated at outrageous doses by some. Ok listen to this, what is your explanation for this: my 58 year old training partner sometimes talks about the Negma Para and how he was taking 3 a week with no real sides. Now he can take 75mg at most of the UG stuff, just wrecks him mentally. What happened? Why xan't he take more than one if it's so weak?
Ok Mr Expert - How Many a Day did you take ??
And what level of physique completion did you attain ??
Your starting to Piss me off.
Lol you gotta be kidding me. I'm not saying I'm an expert, all I'm doing is disagreeing with what's "possible." Why be mad, there's room for different opinions.
There are a lot of things some juicers say are "impossible." I remember tommywishbone saying NO ONE takes 10 Anadrols in a day. Many on this forum say it's IMPOSSIBLE to take more that 1 or 2 "real" Anadrols because 1 blew you up with back pumps. When I started out folks told me there's no way you can take more than 3 Sustanon a week, you will "explode." I've seen a couple of dudes take 10 Anadrol, so it's very possible.
I'm not trying to be combative and diss you guys, all I'm saying is that some have an amazing tolerance for drug sides.
Para was a great drug but it wasn't magic. I have pulled up old photoalbums on guys doing old school cycles and now in retrospect they often don't look like anything special, not as I remembered it, some look 100% natural on this fucking Para. I had a Russian friend who took 1 Para a week for 12 weeks along with a few 5mg dbol. He thought the Para was amazing but the fact of the matter was that he looked like fat fuck.
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Yes I did. You know what happened? I ended up in the psych ward with severe panic attacks. I was in hell for months. So I know about the psychological effects and they are real. But they don't affect everyone the same plus in my case an antidepressant took away the panic attacks and I could suddenly take tren. You don't think a pro on Nubain and Benzos can't handle tren?
Doesn't change the fact that various drugs can be tolerated at outrageous doses by some. Ok listen to this, what is your explanation for this: my 58 year old training partner sometimes talks about the Negma Para and how he was taking 3 a week with no real sides. Now he can take 75mg at most of the UG stuff, just wrecks him mentally. What happened? Why xan't he take more than one if it's so weak?
Lol you gotta be kidding me. I'm not saying I'm an expert, all I'm doing is disagreeing with what's "possible." Why be mad, there's room for different opinions.
There are a lot of things some juicers say are "impossible." I remember tommywishbone saying NO ONE takes 10 Anadrols in a day. Many on this forum say it's IMPOSSIBLE to take more that 1 or 2 "real" Anadrols because 1 blew you up with back pumps. When I started out folks told me there's no way you can take more than 3 Sustanon a week, you will "explode." I've seen a couple of dudes take 10 Anadrol, so it's very possible.
I'm not trying to be combative and diss you guys, all I'm saying is that some have an amazing tolerance for drug sides.
Para was a great drug but it wasn't magic. I have pulled up old photoalbums on guys doing old school cycles and now in retrospect they often don't look like anything special, not as I remembered it, some look 100% natural on this fucking Para. I had a Russian friend who took 1 Para a week for 12 weeks along with a few 5mg dbol. He thought the Para was amazing but the fact of the matter was that he looked like fat fuck.
so you have actual testimony that you ended up on a psych ward but lots of hearsay evidence from people you know that they were tolerable
Thanks for trying
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so you have actual testimony that you ended up on a psych ward but lots of hearsay evidence from people you know that they were tolerable
Thanks for trying
Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.
And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.
Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.
Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.
I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).
Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.
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I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).
There doesn't seem to be much, if anything on this. In fact, there was a study complaining about the lack of pre 2000's psychological studies on AAS usage. Most of the recent studies mainly concentrate on the testosterones, and a couple of other medically prescribed AAS, very little on even common non-prescribed AAS.
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Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.
And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.
Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.
Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.
I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).
Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.
if you didnt leave your house for months how the fuck did you train? home gym?
there are a variety of parkins drugs one can take to help with sides of tren benzos make things worse cause if you dont taper off correctly there is a rebound and meltodown
if in doubt just double the dose on tren and eq
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horsecock veins are worth it bro
team horsecock
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There doesn't seem to be much, if anything on this. In fact, there was a study complaining about the lack of pre 2000's psychological studies on AAS usage. Most of the recent studies mainly concentrate on the testosterones, and a couple of other medically prescribed AAS, very little on even common non-prescribed AAS.
If there were a lot of complaints of psych issues with Parabolan maybe they just ended up as a comment in some patient's journal. And those are never used as proof of anything in itself. But I'm convinced that it can cause severe issues from personal experience. We have data on psych issues with corticosteroids for example but these are drugs used so much there's no problem in compiling data. As far as I know tren was only released as a human drug by one single drug manufacturer in France. If I'd guess, probably 99 999% of the drug went onto the black market and that led them to discontinue it. Or there simply was not much use for it. Probably both were factors. Many other anabolics disappeared for similar reasons. Like Masteron was a breast cancer drug, but then AI's and SERM's came along.
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tren is possible the only drug the more you use the more result
provided diet is on point
back in the day over at professional muscle they all said if you need more than 600 test and 400 eq to compete and win in bodybuilding that it wasnt the sport for you
they were all liars
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if you didnt leave your house for months how the fuck did you train? home gym?
there are a variety of parkins drugs one can take to help with sides of tren benzos make things worse cause if you dont taper off correctly there is a rebound and meltodown
if in doubt just double the dose on tren and eq
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horsecock veins are worth it bro
team horsecock
It was a slight exaggeration. I went on disability. I managed to go down to the corner store and I had a gym a few hundred meters from my home where I managed to go a couple of times a week. Basically what I developed was agoraphobia, fear of spaces and situations where you can't "get away." During this whole thing I got maybe 10 tablets of 2mg Valium which did nothing obviously. Started an antidepressant which took a few months to start working. In retrospect I was way undermedicated compared to how much I was suffering. I would've "needed" generous benzo therapy for awhile. Extended psychic torture leave scars that may never wholly heal. Addiction to benzos would not have been as bad on the whole imo. And I'm not talking year round use but maybe a month or two when it first started.
Clearly some osteoporotic French ladies handled the stuff. Which is why I don't doubt some can handle the stuff in large quantities. I know guys doing 1.5 grams and I think the stuff is legit. A few years ago even I did about a gram. I think the antidepressant I'm on is just that effective in blocking panic anxiety.
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whats the anti depressent medication called?
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whats the anti depressent medication called?
Venlafaxine. It was chosen on a whim, it was new then and when I mentioned reading about it that's what they scripted me. It worked but it took what felt like forever to start working.
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Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.
And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.
Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.
Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.
I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).
Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.
I know a lot of guys who handle Tren no problem.
I used to take 600mg a week for months at a time. Just had night sweats and some anxiety.
Didn't use it for a while because it made my hair fall out.
Last time i used it i got 6 weeks in at 400mg and was having panic attacks with insomnia. Could literally feel my heart beating in my chest at night.
Never tried it again.
I can run 800mg a week of Eq easily. Never gotten any bad sides from it.
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Some experts like Flex Wheeler feel like Parabolan was a very side-effect free drug compared to "tren." Lol
No mention of psych issues or crippling back pumps.
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I know a lot of guys who handle Tren no problem.
My only gripe with this issue is that some claim what we have today just isn't the same stuff exactly. It's not really real. Based on their past experiences they can't fathom anyone tolerating the doses claimed today. I think there is tren available today and it's identical to Parabolan. I have seen NO expert suggest otherwise and by expert I mean someone an expert on drug chemistry. With underground GH and differnces to pharma GH I have seen all sorts of proposed mechanisms explaining the differing user experiences. But I have seen nothing like that with regard to simple steroid hormones.
Remember, Finaplix was a "real" pharma drug and TONS people took it at high dosages too, certainly more than 225mg per week which was Dorian's supposed absolute max.
I can run 800mg a week of Eq easily. Never gotten any bad sides from it.
EQ is another compound which some claim just isn't the same nowadays. Ric Drasin said they grew like weeds taking 50mg a week Lol. I think it's more like Ric was imagining his massive gains.
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Hahaha, team horsecock has me cracking the fuck up.
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My only gripe with this issue is that some claim what we have today just isn't the same stuff exactly. It's not really real. Based on their past experiences they can't fathom anyone tolerating the doses claimed today. I think there is tren available today and it's identical to Parabolan. I have seen NO expert suggest otherwise and by expert I mean someone an expert on drug chemistry. With underground GH and differnces to pharma GH I have seen all sorts of proposed mechanisms explaining the differing user experiences. But I have seen nothing like that with regard to simple steroid hormones.
Remember, Finaplix was a "real" pharma drug and TONS people took it at high dosages too, certainly more than 225mg per week which was Dorian's supposed absolute max.
EQ is another compound which some claim just isn't the same nowadays. Ric Drasin said they grew like weeds taking 50mg a week Lol. I think it's more like Ric was imagining his massive gains.
I've taken a lot of gear in the last 20 years.
A lot of the UGL stuff i've used feels no different than the HG stuff i used to get from Europe. Hell, i think the Test C my source has is better than the HG Test C i get at the local pharmacy.
Tren is a special drug, you can FEEL when you are on Tren. Nothing else feels like it and changes your body so much.
I've used Tren A, E, Hex and some legit Para. They all seemed similar to me. Tren A seems to hit harder, but not sure you can really measure that.
Most people who make comments about these things probably have very little experience with it. Tren can mess you up bad, but it can also be tolerated very easily. My friend and i used the same source for years. He never had a problem with Tren, while it gave me a lot of anxiety. I do believe everyone handles these things differently.
The drugs today are not any different than they were 20-30 years ago.
That's just what people say to convince people they used 50mg a week and were 250 pounds. ;D
When in fact they are just trying to cover up their drug abuse.
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Hahaha, team horsecock has me cracking the fuck up.
I used to think Epic was a douche. Still do actually but he's kinda fucking funny sometimes.
Team Horse Balls.
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Some experts like Flex Wheeler feel like Parabolan was a very side-effect free drug compared to "tren." Lol
No mention of psych issues or crippling back pumps.
From a guy who has had a kidney transplant and lost a limb I wouldnt put too much weight in his advice.
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From a guy who has had a kidney transplant and lost a limb I wouldnt put too much weight in his advice.
Yeah everything he says there is wrong. Titus had an opinion on tren as well when he wrote as Undercover Pro on bb.com. Said the pellet tren wasn't tren. There was only one tren, Parabolan. Of course, nowadays almost no competitive bb preps without whatever is called tren nowadays. Whether it's the same as the old Para, "tren" is the number one drug without a doubt. I mean perhaps besides testosterone.
Jordan Peters says you guys in the UK have better consistency and quality of UG drugs than the Americans for example. Says real Primo is much easier and cheaper to source there. I'd be curious to know how you responded to any supposedly quality Tren Hex over there. Whether it feels "too strong" as you're older or the opposite because it's just crap quality nowadays compared to the old Para.
Many of the pros of the 90s say they had it better because their drugs were mostly pharma and today you don't know what you're getting. Milos says this for example. I would say yes and no. Due to being unregulated you risk unserious players selling crap but at the same time there is much more total hormones on the market, greater selection of whatever you wish - I mean if you take the time to attempt to source the best stuff and have some luck. In the 90s you used what the dealer happened to have on hand. All you have to do is look at the difference in bodies from say Milos' first pro shows compared to today. There is obviously no lack of "real" steroids, tren or whatever.