bhanks response of peace

[illuminati]

thick twat doesnt even know what vegetable oil is

He is The Vegetable 😀 👍🏻

[Walter Sobchak]

Size 48 coat, bro.

48 EU
38 US

There is a sizing conversion.

[webstar]

500 mg for a year is trt.

I’m sure DNP is just multi vit and synthol is just b12

[Taffin]

100% Correct
Even Dorian said he couldn't cope with more 3 x 76mg

The Lower Back Pump / Was insane & would lock solid
2 a week Was Great for Me - Ridiculously strong & in good condition without really
Trying !!!
Amazing Stuff it Was.

Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy.  I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....

[Van_Bilderass]

Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy.  I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....

People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+×  clinical male dosage.

[joswift]

People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+×  clinical male dosage.

Did you use the French Para yourself?

[illuminati]

Hahaha - you're tougher than me, buddy.  I took 1 ampoule every 5 days for (I think) only 9/10 weeks and I still totally remember the time I was in the gym, a few weeks in at a low bodyfat 225 or so (I'm 6ft), and I could suddenly dip and chin FOREVER .... God I miss that feeling....

Yes it was great .

My Strength level was Ridiculous- Ha I should've gone back to powerlifting 🤷🏻‍♂️
I was all Clean when I was competing in powerlifting ( Silly Me - Young & Daft)
Still won 3x British Champs .

Fcuk when I look back & Think 🤔 Hmm what could've been. 😢😢
🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[illuminati]

People can get way with a lot of shit in many cases. More that 3 Para being impossible is silly. There are all sorts of dosings described in the literature. 1500mg of dbol a day. Women taken 1600mg of Primo week for 6 months.
Rich Gaspari was said to have done 2 Para and 4 Anadrol a day for Mr O preps. True, who the hell knows, but not impossible. Para is was made to be tolerable drug with low androgenic sides even for women.
Nowadays many take 200mg of Trestolone a day. That's 200+×  clinical male dosage.

Ok Mr Expert - How Many a Day did you take ??
And what level of physique completion did you attain ??

Your starting to Piss me off.

[Dave D]

AGAIN I DONT CARE WHOICH FUCKING ONE YOU USE IF YOU ARE IN A PROLONGED CALORIE DEFICIT AND CANT GET OUT OF IT EITHER IS GOING TO WORK AS BOTH ARE PURE FAT AND EXTREMELY CALORIE DENSE AS LONG AS IT IS NOT MOTOR OIL AND COMES OUT OF YOUR PANTRY ANY FUCKING OIL WILL WORK A SCOOP OF FUCKING CRISCO OR A CHUNK OF LARD WILL WORK REGARDLESS IT IS ALL FAT ANY OIL YOU PUT ON A SALAD IS THAT SPECIFIC ENOUGH?

You’re a car guy, would you mistake transmission fluid for motor oil?

If your mechanic kept referring to oil as transmission fluid and when you corrected him he would say you’re wrong, it’s all the same thing, you can use them interchangeably, you wouldn’t say, “you know what you’re right.”

Or we can use 87 octane gasoline and race fuel, they’re the same thing if you need gasoline in a pinch but they’re not the same over an extended period.

[Dave D]

"Hey, Brian, What's your go-to vegetable oil?"

"MCT oil is great however I also use a lot of olive oil in my diet."

"Olive oil is distinct from vegetable oil."



"PICK ANY FUCKING OIL IN YOUR PANTRY THEY ARE ALL CONCENTRATED FATS. YOU GUYS WANT TO ARGUE OVER FRUIT AND VEGETABLE TRT AND CYCLE WHEN IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER."

Lol

A calorie is a calorie after all.

Does Bhanks hang out with TA?

[Van_Bilderass]

Did you use the French Para yourself?

Yes I did. You know what happened? I ended up in the psych ward with severe panic attacks. I was in hell for months. So I know about the psychological effects and they are real. But they don't affect everyone the same plus in my case an antidepressant took away the panic attacks and I could suddenly take tren. You don't think a pro on Nubain and Benzos can't handle tren?

Doesn't change the fact that various drugs can be tolerated at outrageous doses by some. Ok listen to this, what is your explanation for this: my 58 year old training partner sometimes talks about the Negma Para and how he was taking 3 a week with no real sides. Now he can take 75mg at most of the UG stuff, just wrecks him mentally. What happened? Why xan't he take more than one if it's so weak?

Ok Mr Expert - How Many a Day did you take ??
And what level of physique completion did you attain ??

Your starting to Piss me off.

Lol you gotta be kidding me. I'm not saying I'm an expert, all I'm doing is disagreeing with what's "possible." Why be mad, there's room for different opinions.

There are a lot of things some juicers say are "impossible." I remember tommywishbone saying NO ONE takes 10 Anadrols in a day. Many on this forum say it's IMPOSSIBLE to take more that 1 or 2 "real" Anadrols because 1 blew you up with back pumps. When I started out folks told me there's no way you can take more than 3 Sustanon a week, you will "explode." I've seen a couple of dudes take 10 Anadrol, so it's very possible.

I'm not trying to be combative and diss you guys, all I'm saying is that some have an amazing tolerance for drug sides.

Para was a great drug but it wasn't magic. I have pulled up old photoalbums on guys doing old school cycles and now in retrospect they often don't look like anything special, not as I remembered it, some look 100% natural on this fucking Para. I had a Russian friend who took 1 Para a week for 12 weeks along with a few 5mg dbol. He thought the Para was amazing but the fact of the matter was that he looked like fat fuck.

[joswift]

Yes I did. You know what happened? I ended up in the psych ward with severe panic attacks. I was in hell for months. So I know about the psychological effects and they are real. But they don't affect everyone the same plus in my case an antidepressant took away the panic attacks and I could suddenly take tren. You don't think a pro on Nubain and Benzos can't handle tren?

Doesn't change the fact that various drugs can be tolerated at outrageous doses by some. Ok listen to this, what is your explanation for this: my 58 year old training partner sometimes talks about the Negma Para and how he was taking 3 a week with no real sides. Now he can take 75mg at most of the UG stuff, just wrecks him mentally. What happened? Why xan't he take more than one if it's so weak?

Lol you gotta be kidding me. I'm not saying I'm an expert, all I'm doing is disagreeing with what's "possible." Why be mad, there's room for different opinions.

There are a lot of things some juicers say are "impossible." I remember tommywishbone saying NO ONE takes 10 Anadrols in a day. Many on this forum say it's IMPOSSIBLE to take more that 1 or 2 "real" Anadrols because 1 blew you up with back pumps. When I started out folks told me there's no way you can take more than 3 Sustanon a week, you will "explode." I've seen a couple of dudes take 10 Anadrol, so it's very possible.

I'm not trying to be combative and diss you guys, all I'm saying is that some have an amazing tolerance for drug sides.

Para was a great drug but it wasn't magic. I have pulled up old photoalbums on guys doing old school cycles and now in retrospect they often don't look like anything special, not as I remembered it, some look 100% natural on this fucking Para. I had a Russian friend who took 1 Para a week for 12 weeks along with a few 5mg dbol. He thought the Para was amazing but the fact of the matter was that he looked like fat fuck.

so you have actual testimony that you ended up on a psych ward but lots of hearsay evidence from people you know that they were tolerable

Thanks for trying

[Van_Bilderass]

so you have actual testimony that you ended up on a psych ward but lots of hearsay evidence from people you know that they were tolerable

Thanks for trying

Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.

And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.

Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.

Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some 
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.

I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).

Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.

[BB]

I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).

There doesn't seem to be much, if anything on this. In fact, there was a study complaining about the lack of pre 2000's psychological studies on AAS usage. Most of the recent studies mainly concentrate on the testosterones, and a couple of other medically prescribed AAS, very little on even common non-prescribed AAS.

[epic is back]

Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.

And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.

Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.

Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some 
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.

I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).

Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.

if you didnt leave your house for months how the fuck did you train?  home gym?

there are a variety of parkins drugs one can take to help with sides of tren  benzos make things worse cause if you dont taper off correctly there is a rebound and meltodown 

if in doubt just double the dose on tren and eq
\
horsecock veins are worth it bro


team horsecock

[Van_Bilderass]

There doesn't seem to be much, if anything on this. In fact, there was a study complaining about the lack of pre 2000's psychological studies on AAS usage. Most of the recent studies mainly concentrate on the testosterones, and a couple of other medically prescribed AAS, very little on even common non-prescribed AAS.

If there were a lot of complaints of psych issues with Parabolan maybe they just ended up as a comment in some patient's journal. And those are never used as proof of anything in itself. But I'm convinced that it can cause severe issues from personal experience. We have data on psych issues with corticosteroids for example but these are drugs used so much there's no problem in compiling data. As far as I know tren was only released as a human drug by one single drug manufacturer in France. If I'd guess, probably 99 999% of the drug went onto the black market and that led them to discontinue it. Or there simply was not much use for it. Probably both were factors. Many other anabolics disappeared for similar reasons. Like Masteron was a breast cancer drug, but then AI's and SERM's came along.

[epic is back]

tren is possible the only drug the more you use the more result

provided diet is on point

back in the day over at professional muscle  they all said if you need more than 600 test and 400 eq  to compete and win in  bodybuilding that it wasnt the sport for you


they were all liars

[Van_Bilderass]

if you didnt leave your house for months how the fuck did you train?  home gym?

there are a variety of parkins drugs one can take to help with sides of tren  benzos make things worse cause if you dont taper off correctly there is a rebound and meltodown 

if in doubt just double the dose on tren and eq
\
horsecock veins are worth it bro


team horsecock

It was a slight exaggeration. I went on disability. I managed to go down to the corner store and I had a gym a few hundred meters from my home where I managed to go a couple of times a week. Basically what I developed was agoraphobia, fear of spaces and situations where you can't "get away." During this whole thing I got maybe 10 tablets of 2mg Valium which did nothing obviously. Started an antidepressant which took a few months to start working. In retrospect I was way undermedicated compared to how much I was suffering. I would've "needed" generous benzo therapy for awhile. Extended psychic torture leave scars that may never wholly heal. Addiction to benzos would not have been as bad on the whole imo. And I'm not talking year round use but maybe a month or two when it first started.

Clearly some osteoporotic French ladies handled the stuff. Which is why I don't doubt some can handle the stuff in large quantities. I know guys doing 1.5 grams and I think the stuff is legit. A few years ago even I did about a gram. I think the antidepressant I'm on is just that effective in blocking panic anxiety.

[epic is back]

whats the anti depressent  medication called?

[Van_Bilderass]

whats the anti depressent  medication called?

Venlafaxine. It was chosen on a whim, it was new then and when I mentioned reading about it that's what they scripted me. It worked but it took what felt like forever to start working.

[ThisisOverload]

Are you really trying to say there is no difference in tolerability? It's not mere hearsay that tren fucks up sleep in many - but not all. Some get very aggressive in a way that affects their behaviour - I get the doom and gloom and anxiety but no aggression. I wasn't the only one in my group of friends who used the same batch, most handled it relatively well. I could hardly leave my house for months. After I got medicated with the AD I could handle tren. There were sides but it wasn't intolerable. I personally shot up a few guys with the Negma Para and they didn't complain of anything.

And you know very well that these anxiety related sides are still associated with tren - with the current UG stuff. So there is tren in there. It wasn't just with the Negma stuff. It's also known that tren tolerance lowers with age many times. What you could get away with at 20 may not be true at 40.

Another example of interindividual diffrence in sides from a single substance is EQ. Some can't handle it due to debilitating anxiety, even at low dose, a few hundred mg. Then you have many guys who do 1-2 or even 3 grams no problem.

Especially at contest time some competitors use benzodiazapines as well as ambien specifically to be able to handle high doses of drugs. Most smoke weed too. Some 
use painkillers which are somewhat anxiety reducing too.
A few Xanax will override most Tren anxiety IMO.

I wonder if there were many complaints of people going nuts when it was an Rx drug. For example, women with osteoporosis got 1 amp every 10 days for 3 shots then 1 shot a month. If tren often causes severe psychiatric disturbances then it should show even at these low doses (and them being women too).

Supposedly Luke Sandoe said he just couldn't handle tren due to the psych effects. Obviously many of his peers could.
Jordan Peters said he couldn't take even 10mg a day of trestolone due to anxiety. This is a guy who claim to have used at least 6 grams of juice and a ton of tren. At the same time many say trest imparts a calm and happy mood.

I know a lot of guys who handle Tren no problem.

I used to take 600mg a week for months at a time. Just had night sweats and some anxiety.

Didn't use it for a while because it made my hair fall out.

Last time i used it i got 6 weeks in at 400mg and was having panic attacks with insomnia. Could literally feel my heart beating in my chest at night.

Never tried it again.

I can run 800mg a week of Eq easily. Never gotten any bad sides from it.

[Van_Bilderass]

Some experts like Flex Wheeler feel like Parabolan was a very side-effect free drug compared to "tren." Lol
No mention of psych issues or crippling back pumps.

[Van_Bilderass]

I know a lot of guys who handle Tren no problem.

My only gripe with this issue is that some claim what we have today just isn't the same stuff exactly. It's not really real. Based on their past experiences they can't fathom anyone tolerating the doses claimed today. I think there is tren available today and it's identical to Parabolan. I have seen NO expert suggest otherwise and by expert I mean someone an expert on drug chemistry. With underground GH and differnces to pharma GH I have seen all sorts of proposed mechanisms explaining the differing user experiences. But I have seen nothing like that with regard to simple steroid hormones.

Remember, Finaplix was a "real" pharma drug and TONS people took it at high dosages too, certainly more than 225mg per week which was Dorian's supposed absolute max.

I can run 800mg a week of Eq easily. Never gotten any bad sides from it.

EQ is another compound which some claim just isn't the same nowadays. Ric Drasin said they grew like weeds taking 50mg a week Lol. I think it's more like Ric was imagining his massive gains.

[robcguns]

Hahaha, team horsecock has me cracking the fuck up.

[ThisisOverload]

My only gripe with this issue is that some claim what we have today just isn't the same stuff exactly. It's not really real. Based on their past experiences they can't fathom anyone tolerating the doses claimed today. I think there is tren available today and it's identical to Parabolan. I have seen NO expert suggest otherwise and by expert I mean someone an expert on drug chemistry. With underground GH and differnces to pharma GH I have seen all sorts of proposed mechanisms explaining the differing user experiences. But I have seen nothing like that with regard to simple steroid hormones.

Remember, Finaplix was a "real" pharma drug and TONS people took it at high dosages too, certainly more than 225mg per week which was Dorian's supposed absolute max.

EQ is another compound which some claim just isn't the same nowadays. Ric Drasin said they grew like weeds taking 50mg a week Lol. I think it's more like Ric was imagining his massive gains.

I've taken a lot of gear in the last 20 years.

A lot of the UGL stuff i've used feels no different than the HG stuff i used to get from Europe. Hell, i think the Test C my source has is better than the HG Test C i get at the local pharmacy.

Tren is a special drug, you can FEEL when you are on Tren. Nothing else feels like it and changes your body so much.

I've used Tren A, E, Hex and some legit Para. They all seemed similar to me. Tren A seems to hit harder, but not sure you can really measure that.

Most people who make comments about these things probably have very little experience with it. Tren can mess you up bad, but it can also be tolerated very easily. My friend and i used the same source for years. He never had a problem with Tren, while it gave me a lot of anxiety. I do believe everyone handles these things differently.

The drugs today are not any different than they were 20-30 years ago.

That's just what people say to convince people they used 50mg a week and were 250 pounds.

When in fact they are just trying to cover up their drug abuse.