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hulkster, speak on this ;)
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Brutal language barrier.
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wide bloated waist ;D
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Boring...this is getting dull. No contest.
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moster calves. respectfully, nico, this is not to be a dorian -ronnie thread. im just teasing hulkster and well...where is the giant waist?
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That pic of ronnie comprehensively takes care of dorian.
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Delta, no offense man ;D. I saw a challenge, I thought I can take this up in no time. Agreed, the Ronnie vs Dorian threads are getting old. The fact is that bodybuilding has progressed and the champions of yesterday cannot compete effectively with the champs of today. Ronnie is better than Dorian. He is better than Haney, although Haney was incredibly aesthetic. In ten or twenty years, there will likely be a freak that is 320 pounds ripped with tight abs and a bigger back than Coleman and Yates ever dreamed of having. Then, we will have the "Was Ronnie better than _____?" It is the inevitability of the sport. People are now trying to compare Lebron to Jordan, but the kid is still green around the ears. We shall see.
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That pic of ronnie comprehensively takes care of dorian.
That pic takes care of everybody!
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I think Thin Lizzy might be right. :o
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The glute/ham separation is so sharp it looks like you would cut your tongue if you tried to lick it :o
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Delta, no offense man ;D. I saw a challenge, I thought I can take this up in no time. Agreed, the Ronnie vs Dorian threads are getting old. The fact is that bodybuilding has progressed and the champions of yesterday cannot compete effectively with the champs of today. Ronnie is better than Dorian. He is better than Haney, although Haney was incredibly aesthetic. In ten or twenty years, there will likely be a freak that is 320 pounds ripped with tight abs and a bigger back than Coleman and Yates ever dreamed of having. Then, we will have the "Was Ronnie better than _____?" It is the inevitability of the sport. People are now trying to compare Lebron to Jordan, but the kid is still green around the ears. We shall see.
understood and i want to see this 320 mr o.
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Ronnie's ass extends halfway down to his knees. Disgusting.
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Brutal language barrier.
LOL...that was funny ;D!!
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The glute/ham separation is so sharp it looks like you would cut your tongue if you tried to lick it :o
very nice, Lucius. ::) ;D
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very nice, Lucius. ::) ;D
It's true though ;D
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It's true though ;D
whoooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh
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whoooooooooossssshhhhhhhhhh
whoooooooooossssshhhhhhh hhh ....what does that mean?
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LOL, as you can see its not hard to own Dorian when you look like the pre-gut Ronnie.
Yates looked good in the relaxed back pose, great in the "christmas tree pose" but sub-par in the back double bi.
This is why Yates back is nowhere near as good as everyone says it is:
everyone forgets that his back double bi was not so great.
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/976994047.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p96.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/pics/olympia/1997/mro-p99.jpg)
dorian had the widest waist of any mr. olympia in history..
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Dorian is as hard and as shapeless as a stone ;D
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the judges will not look at dorian's waist relaxed... remember that! judges only see competitors on stage while flexing and showin off their respected poses. If he can flex his big ass belly into a diameter size of a coffee straw, then that's how judges will see it.
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lol subpar , the pics you posted were from 1997 no where near his best , but you are infamous for that .
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Here is Yates going toe to toe with Haney and for you to say his back double bicep shot is subpar is nonsense , Dorian has a much better lowerback than Lee and comparable width & thickness , if you notice Yates doesn't really raise his arms up when doing this pose , he keeps his fists about eye level , I think it would be more effective if he rasied them higher , but he is more than holding his own with the legend .
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For A bodybuilder who supposedly (according to a few) has the "worlds greatest back", yes, its sub-par.
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I like how hulkster always says "pre gut ronnie" but then goes on to post pics of post tear Dorian..Kinda a double standard, don't ya think?
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Here is Yates going toe to toe with Haney and for you to say his back double bicep shot is subpar is nonsense , Dorian has a much better lowerback than Lee and comparable width & thickness , if you notice Yates doesn't really raise his arms up when doing this pose , he keeps his fists about eye level , I think it would be more effective if he rasied them higher , but he is more than holding his own with the legend .
realize that's a lighter Yates . . . but i have new respect for Haney's back now.
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Ronnies Back is the best ever, but in the Lat (minus traps and erectors) dept. Haney Owns everyone....
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here are pics... thanks IRONAGE.US ::)
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Umm . . Haney's traps don't look too shabby there, or even next to Yates, who had some monster traps.
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ND, LH shits all over Yates. His lats start at his ass literally. They flare better than Yates and he has better thickness. I give you the lower back, but the rest is no contest.
BTW, the guest posing pic of Yates is "in excellent lighting." No shit sherlock. Put a 286 pound shredded Ronnie in similar lighting and he would massacre Yates. You are so self-contradictory that is getting laughable. Ronnie crushes Yates and only you and few fellow blind mice continue to disagree. You bitch about the lighting in a pro show (1999 English), but post one pic of Yates in excellent lighting that is flattering. BTW, Ronnie not only crushes him in the upper body, his hams, thighs and glutes are far superior. Yates has him in calves.....BFD.
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ND, LH shits all over Yates. His lats start at his ass literally. They flare better than Yates and he has better thickness. I give you the lower back, but the rest is no contest.
BTW, the guest posing pic of Yates is "in excellent lighting." No shit sherlock. Put a 286 pound shredded Ronnie in similar lighting and he would massacre Yates. You are so self-contradictory that is getting laughable. Ronnie crushes Yates and only you and few fellow blind mice continue to disagree. You bitch about the lighting in a pro show (1999 English), but post one pic of Yates in excellent lighting that is flattering. BTW, Ronnie not only crushes him in the upper body, his hams, thighs and glutes are far superior. Yates has him in calves.....BFD.
First of all Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round in this contest , a feat I might add no one was able to do up until that point , and I never said Yates was better in this contest , I said he was holding is own against one of the best Mr Olympias , Yates lats insert near his waist was well , so whats your point?
And put a 286lb Ronnie is great lighting and he would massacre a 255lbs Dorian Yates lmfao wow that was moron statement of the month , thats like saying " put a 269lbs Dorian against a 230lb Ronnie and Dorian would massacre him " ::) whats a moronic statement , the great lighting would highlite Ronnie's pregnant gut really well , and Ronnie at 287lbs is NO WHERE near as dry as Dorian in that picture , and once again you're like Hulkster , you think bigger equates better , it doesn't , Ronnie looked so much better at 250lbs than he ever did at 287lbs , so keep fantasizing that a 287lb Ronnie was eatting your banana !! ;)
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Coleman at 2003 in his condition (screw the gut, his chest was over 60 inches easy) would have destroyed Yates in any condition. Haney, too, would have massacred him. Yates started a new trend with big guts and big everything else. So Coleman has carried this forward. Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates. His conditioning in the Mr. Olympia's was anything but awe inspiring. Often, he came in looking fat or bloated. His back is undeniably great, but his arms, waist, thighs, and hams were not in Coleman's league. In fact, if his back were average, he would have placed fourth at best in his run of Mr. Olympia's. Nothing about the dude from the front is impressive. Look at the relaxed pic I showed; it looks like shit. And yes, why the hell not put a 286 pound Coleman against Yates. You put a 240 pound young Coleman against Yates in your back double bi pic. What is stupid about this statement. You are the quintessential idiot. I used to respect your posts, but now I see you have no more sense than GMCtruck or Swallowmyload or whatever the hell his name is. This back shits on Yates.
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And this pose also. Look at the arms and thickness. That is sick.
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Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates.
and don't forget he drools (cums?) all over Zane and Revees too.
doesn't make any sense.
Then again, neither does saying Dorian has better overall arms than Ronnie ;)
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I like how hulkster always says "pre gut ronnie" but then goes on to post pics of post tear Dorian..Kinda a double standard, don't ya think?
no, because ND and the Yates followers have claimed many times that the 1995 version of Yates was his best ever (I believe even Dorian stated this).
So, post tear it is.
Makes it easier for Ronnie (the guy with arguably the best biceps ever) to smoke him.
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and once again you're like Hulkster , you think bigger equates better , it doesn't , Ronnie looked so much better at 250lbs than he ever did at 287lbs , so keep fantasizing that a 287lb Ronnie was eatting your banana !!
when did I ever say that? I was never a fan of the 287 pound Ronnie.
I think he set some standards for bodyparts at that weight:
eg. arms:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo28.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=50084.0;id=51597;image)
and back width (his rear lat spread in 2003 was far and above the greatest ever).
But, his obliques hung over his trunks at that show.
the 250 pound Ronnie was better overall.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67923.0;attach=75371;image)
Are you sure this dorian pic isn't morphed with respect to the biceps?
Look at his right one - it is completely horizontal on top - looks fishy.
That is the FIRST time I have ever been able to see Dorian's biceps decently in a back double biceps shot.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67923.0;attach=75372;image)
compare the top pic to this one something is fishy.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Yates08.jpg)
every dorian shot shows invisible biceps, except that top one...
hmmmmm....
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Coleman at 2003 in his condition (screw the gut, his chest was over 60 inches easy) would have destroyed Yates in any condition. Haney, too, would have massacred him. Yates started a new trend with big guts and big everything else. So Coleman has carried this forward. Why is it that you hate Coleman and drool over Yates. His conditioning in the Mr. Olympia's was anything but awe inspiring. Often, he came in looking fat or bloated. His back is undeniably great, but his arms, waist, thighs, and hams were not in Coleman's league. In fact, if his back were average, he would have placed fourth at best in his run of Mr. Olympia's. Nothing about the dude from the front is impressive. Look at the relaxed pic I showed; it looks like shit. And yes, why the hell not put a 286 pound Coleman against Yates. You put a 240 pound young Coleman against Yates in your back double bi pic. What is stupid about this statement. You are the quintessential idiot. I used to respect your posts, but now I see you have no more sense than GMCtruck or Swallowmyload or whatever the hell his name is. This back shits on Yates.
Again you keep going on about 2003 Ronnie , he was amazing huge , very muscular , his conditioning in 2003 was soft especially compared to 1998 Ronnie , and his balance & proportion were at an all time low , his gut was the largest of ANY Mr Olympia winner , his muscle separtion was way off , you're obsessed with quantity and could care less about quality your opinion would have more validity if you picked a 1998/99 Ronnie or 2001 ASC , but you fall flat on your face thinking 2003 Ronnie is better than any of those shapes , nevermind Dorian's best.
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Dorian's bi's were clearly photoshopped in those pics ::)
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This pic is not photoshopped , I scaned this pic from I believe Ironman magazine's coverage .
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This pic is not photoshopped , I scaned this pic from I believe Ironman magazine's coverage .
You lost some credibility after you posted that morphed picture of Yates's lat spread and claimed you scanned it ::)
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You lost some credibility after you posted that morphed picture of Yates's lat spread and claimed you scanned it ::)
I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it , I NEVER posted that pic ;) someone else did and I looked qucik and thought it was mine , so nice try and I'll wait for your apology. :P
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I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it , I NEVER posted that pic ;) someone else did and I looked qucik and thought it was mine , so nice try and I'll wait for your apology. :P
I'll die before I apologize to you ;D
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I'll die before I apologize to you ;D
lol Hulkster was actually quilty of posting photoshopped pics :-X
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lol Hulkster was actually quilty of posting photoshopped pics :-X
name one.
ronnie is so good at times that he doesn't NEED to be photoshopped.
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The really funny thing is that some of you actually believe that athetes from 3 different eras can be equally compared.
Haney and Dorian v. '92 were pre insulin/GH explosion. No, I'm not so naive that I believe Haney didn't use GH, but not in the amounts used from '93 on.
While my opinion may be unsubstantiated, but I am sure that Ronnie (with Chad's help) made a similar chemical quantum leap in '98-'00.
Let's put our cocks away and compare apples to apples.
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Here is Yates going toe to toe with Haney and for you to say his back double bicep shot is subpar is nonsense , Dorian has a much better lowerback than Lee and comparable width & thickness , if you notice Yates doesn't really raise his arms up when doing this pose , he keeps his fists about eye level , I think it would be more effective if he rasied them higher , but he is more than holding his own with the legend .
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67923.0;attach=75372;image)
I just don't like Dorian's symmetry. The right deltoids and biceps have more development and peak from his respective left, and the spinal erectors are weird shaped. Haney is owning him here (which you didn't refute) but I don't think you chose a good pic to support your argument.
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I don't think Yates will be remebered as a legend by his on-stage posing, but by his training, hard work, desire and determination, THAT is what separated him rom the field
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67923.0;attach=75372;image)
I just don't like Dorian's symmetry. The right deltoids and biceps have more development and peak from his respective left, and the spinal erectors are weird shaped. Haney is owning him here (which you didn't refute) but I don't think you chose a good pic to support your argument.
actually, its pretty hard to support the argument that Dorian had an outstanding back double biceps. It was not nearly as good as his rear lat spread, and far below Coleman's, Flex's, Robby Robinson's and even Arnold's for that matter. It was not as good as Albert Beckles was, not as good as Samir's.
Which is fine - not everyone has a rear double biceps pose that is better than those listed above.
but it does prove one thing: no way in hell can Yates have the "greatest back of all time" -
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And this pose also. Look at the arms and thickness. That is sick.
Yes, one of the thickest and widest ever, no question, BUT...he lacks the incredible seperation he exhibted when he won the ASC at a slightly lighter body wt.
Howard
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Yes, one of the thickest and widest ever, no question, BUT...he lacks the incredible seperation he exhibted when he won the ASC at a slightly lighter body wt.
Howard
Post your pic. I'll bet Ronnie's bigger than you ;D
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2003 ronnie = 10 lbs of shit in a 5lb bag
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Yes, one of the thickest and widest ever, no question, BUT...he lacks the incredible seperation he exhibted when he won the ASC at a slightly lighter body wt.
Howard
to be fair, Ronnie was not nearly done flexing in that 2003 shot.
here is a shot were he was flexing fully, and his separation is much better:
(http://www.geocities.com/ronniecolemantr/image/Ronnie_Coleman_23.jpg)
but yes, it was not as good as it was at the Arnold Classic:
(http://www.dennis-james.com/Gallery/01ac/images/full/djames_AC02e.jpg)
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Hulkster, on retrospect I agree. Still Coleman in 2003 would have absolutely, resolutely destroyed Dorian in any of his contests. Dorian never would have been able to touch him from the front except abs/thighs and that is debateable with the one armed man. Turn them around and Coleman's width and thickness would have crapped on Yates. Coleman's glutes are frickin striated; Yates never had that. You can clearly see the cords that comprise his hamstrings; Yates never could show this detail. Coleman had arms that absolutely crushed Yates. His shoulders are as big or bigger with better shape. Thighs....hahahha....ple ase. ND, you need a new boy to drool over. Coleman massacres him. In fact, if Haney would have never retired, Yates may have never won a Sandow. In 1993, I can see him winning the gold, but every other year was a no go.
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Ronnie's ass extends halfway down to his knees. Disgusting.
yeah well look how huuuuuuuuuge ronnies calves are. ;D
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Dorian's bi's were clearly photoshopped in those pics ::)
the pic is not shopped. dont know why but at the lighter weights, his arms didnt seem so "small", but later on...... ;D
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It's a shame that Haney is kind of the 'forgotten' Mr O.
Wins 8 Sandows and I'd have to agree could probably have gone on winning more for a while after if he had chosen to.
But I like Haney, Yates and Coleman equally really - they all have some incredible bodyparts and managed to bring everything together when it counted.
If Haney had kept on competing for another few years I would speculate that he would have beaten Yates (notwithstanding the fact that he was of course the incumbent).
But I think that in the next era even if Yates had managed to stay injury free (particularly with respect to the bicep tear) I don't think he (Yates) could have kept Coleman from the Sandow.
For me Haney and Coleman although very very different both have some of the same elements with regard to symmetry and their overall lines. Even with Coleman as massive as he is I think he is still incredibly symmetrical.
Yates on the other hand didn't quite have that quality (have not explained myself well at all) but in his day was very impressive and seemed to usher in a new age of bb monsters.
Anyhoo...
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Hulkster, on retrospect I agree. Still Coleman in 2003 would have absolutely, resolutely destroyed Dorian in any of his contests. Dorian never would have been able to touch him from the front except abs/thighs and that is debateable with the one armed man. Turn them around and Coleman's width and thickness would have crapped on Yates. Coleman's glutes are frickin striated; Yates never had that. You can clearly see the cords that comprise his hamstrings; Yates never could show this detail. Coleman had arms that absolutely crushed Yates. His shoulders are as big or bigger with better shape. Thighs....hahahha....ple ase. ND, you need a new boy to drool over. Coleman massacres him. In fact, if Haney would have never retired, Yates may have never won a Sandow. In 1993, I can see him winning the gold, but every other year was a no go.
You're wrong about Yates having stiated glutes , check out the pic , and again you fall flat on your face trying to argue 2003 Coleman could beat a much more ripped Yates by virtue of pure size , Dorian would beat Ronnie in the front latspread , and ab-thigh , from the side Yates would have the side tri and chest , and Yates was no slouch on the hamstrings either .
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In fact, if Haney would have never retired, Yates may have never won a Sandow.
that was by far the dumbest statement of this thread.
Yates beat Haney in the muscularity round in 91, yet haney won because he was a better poser.
haney retired to save embarrasment of being beat after winning 8 sandows.
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You're wrong about Yates having stiated glutes , check out the pic , and again you fall flat on your face trying to argue 2003 Coleman could beat a much more ripped Yates by virtue of pure size , Dorian would beat Ronnie in the front latspread , and ab-thigh , from the side Yates would have the side tri and chest , and Yates was no slouch on the hamstrings either .
Coleman would win all of those poses except for side triceps.
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everyone needs to stop the bickering(though it is funny as hell to see hulkster and nd going at it).
haney, yates, coleman22 mr. o's between them and they all had "IT". if you have to ask what "it" is, then you dont know.
lance armstrong had/ has "it".
3 eras, 3 of the best ever. and it seems each one stepped up and improved on the man before him.
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ND - you are missing the point.
sure, Yates had SOME detail in his hams and glutes.
but 2003 Ronnie had this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc210.jpg)
so your boy Yates would have been crushed in that department.
And, 2003 Ronnie's side chest destroys any incarnation of a Yates side chest:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo9.jpg)
check out the quad detail - it would have been no contest.
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He also had this lol
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ND - you are missing the point.
sure, Yates had SOME detail in his hams and glutes.
but 2003 Ronnie had this:
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/coleman/rc210.jpg)
so your boy Yates would have been crushed in that department.
And, 2003 Ronnie's side chest destroys any incarnation of a Yates side chest:
(http://www.ronniecoleman.net/6xo9.jpg)
check out the quad detail - it would have been no contest.
His legs have innumerable details in that side chest :o
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ND, you are funny. The only pics of Coleman you can criticize are when he is not posing. Who gives a rat's ass. That is not judged. When he flexes his abs and hits his shots, it is game over. In the other thread, you had the audacity to state that if Dorian wouldn't have gotten injured Coleman wouldn't have won. What crack have you been smoking. Only way Dorian beat Ronnie from 1998 on was if the judges were paid off by the mafia. Yates looked really good one time (1993). After his tear, I could care less about his conditioning, he was not the ideal bodybuilder. Moreover, by 2003, Ron was 20 pounds heavier easily and twice as thick. If you would open your eyes, it was really no contest. Everything you criticize Ronnie about, I can criticize Dorian double. Dorian's waist was wider, his arms sucked and his legs were like toothpicks compared to Coleman. His calves are undoubtedly great, but comparing the two....really....you must like smoking that weed. ;D Here's a thought, if Haney wouldn't have retired, Yates would have probably never become Mr. Olympia.
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The only pics of Coleman you can criticize are when he is not posing.
ironage desparation.
ND knows that he is almost the only one left who does not think that Ronnie would destroy Yates. He has to grasp for what little straws are still available.
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ND, you are funny. The only pics of Coleman you can criticize are when he is not posing. Who gives a rat's ass. That is not judged. When he flexes his abs and hits his shots, it is game over. In the other thread, you had the audacity to state that if Dorian wouldn't have gotten injured Coleman wouldn't have won. What crack have you been smoking. Only way Dorian beat Ronnie from 1998 on was if the judges were paid off by the mafia. Yates looked really good one time (1993). After his tear, I could care less about his conditioning, he was not the ideal bodybuilder. Moreover, by 2003, Ron was 20 pounds heavier easily and twice as thick. If you would open your eyes, it was really no contest. Everything you criticize Ronnie about, I can criticize Dorian double. Dorian's waist was wider, his arms sucked and his legs were like toothpicks compared to Coleman. His calves are undoubtedly great, but comparing the two....really....you must like smoking that weed. ;D Here's a thought, if Haney wouldn't have retired, Yates would have probably never become Mr. Olympia.
Again you assume because Coleman is bigger he is better , he isn't , period , if Haney and Yates met again in 92 I think Haney would have beat him , and I think the judges would have went with Yates , and if Yates was healthy & didn't tear any muscles , Ronnie Coleman would have NEVER beat him , thats very safe to assume , Ronnie 98 just narrowly beat a less than stella Flex and he was about 245lbs , Yates would have been at least 10lbs heavier and an 1" shorter , now you can say I'm claiming bigger is better , in this case it applies because in 2003 Ronnie was much bigger but his phsyique couldn't stand the extra weight in terms of conditioning ( especially compared to 1998 ) and his balance & proportion is at its all time worse , Ronnie would have never beat Yates .
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Again you assume because Coleman is bigger he is better , he isn't , period , if Haney and Yates met again in 92 I think Haney would have beat him , and I think the judges would have went with Yates , and if Yates was healthy & didn't tear any muscles , Ronnie Coleman would have NEVER beat him , thats very safe to assume , Ronnie 98 just narrowly beat a less than stella Flex and he was about 245lbs , Yates would have been at least 10lbs heavier and an 1" shorter , now you can say I'm claiming bigger is better , in this case it applies because in 2003 Ronnie was much bigger but his phsyique couldn't stand the extra weight in terms of conditioning ( especially compared to 1998 ) and his balance & proportion is at its all time worse , Ronnie would have never beat Yates .
I think Dorian would have eventually beaten Lee, but I don't think a bloated, desperate Dorian should have beaten 98 Ronnie. His body was a Greek tragedy at that point.
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Again you assume because Coleman is bigger he is better , he isn't , period , if Haney and Yates met again in 92 I think Haney would have beat him , and I think the judges would have went with Yates , and if Yates was healthy & didn't tear any muscles , Ronnie Coleman would have NEVER beat him , thats very safe to assume , Ronnie 98 just narrowly beat a less than stella Flex and he was about 245lbs , Yates would have been at least 10lbs heavier and an 1" shorter , now you can say I'm claiming bigger is better , in this case it applies because in 2003 Ronnie was much bigger but his phsyique couldn't stand the extra weight in terms of conditioning ( especially compared to 1998 ) and his balance & proportion is at its all time worse , Ronnie would have never beat Yates .
Bullshit, in 1998 if the judging were not fixed, Yates would have gotten his misshapen disaster of a body handed to him. You cannot even deny it. As much as you want to, everybody with eyes knows your boy was going downhill fast. BTW, he did rip his bicep so what if's are a moot point. Until this year, and we will see how Ronnie's arm is on game day (if screwed up, give it to a very good Jay), Ronnie has been injury free. Your boy won three Sandow's with one arm. That is a travesty. BTW, it is hilarious seeing you bring in the weight card when that is what you have been preaching is wrong with my reasoning that Coleman of now is better. You contradict yourself constantly. Ronnie absolutely crushes Yates from the front and back. Side tri's I agree go to Yates. Front lat spread, you are on drugs. You need thighs and arms too. Yates lats may flare a little more (debateable), but Ronnie has everything except calves over Yates. Give it up ND.
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ironage desparation.
ND knows that he is almost the only one left who does not think that Ronnie would destroy Yates. He has to grasp for what little straws are still available.
it does not matter if coleman is posing (hiding his obvious flaws) or not.
a mr. olympia with a 40" waist? ...........please
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it does not matter if coleman is posing (hiding his obvious flaws) or not.
a mr. olympia with a 40" waist? ...........please
Ever heard of Dorian in 1997? ::)
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Ever heard of Dorian in 1997? ::)
Ever heard of Coleman in 2000 - 2005 ?
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Ever heard of Coleman in 2000 - 2005 ?
I doubt his waist was 40 inches. He's not Cutler or Gunter. ;D
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ND, you keeping saying that other people are saying that Coleman would have beat Yates because ronnie was bigger.
If you actually read what we are saying, size is nothing.
You will note that Ronnie at his best was about 10 pounds LESS than Dorian at his best.
Dorian would be bigger.
but that is the problem: bigger is not better.
Coleman (even though he would weigh slightly less than Yates) would have:
-better arms.
-better quads
-better glutes/hams
-better chest
-better back double bi
-better looking lats due to a much better taper
-better vascularity
-more striations
-better muscle shape, esp. thighs, arms, delts...
ronnie was 247 at the AC, Dorian was 257 in 1993.
Dorian would technically be bigger.
Ronnie would be worlds better for the reasons that I mentioned above.
Size is irrelevant when the difference is only 10 pounds.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/rc104.jpg)
its muscle quality, taper and shape that really counts.
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Bullshit, in 1998 if the judging were not fixed, Yates would have gotten his misshapen disaster of a body handed to him. You cannot even deny it. As much as you want to, everybody with eyes knows your boy was going downhill fast. BTW, he did rip his bicep so what if's are a moot point. Until this year, and we will see how Ronnie's arm is on game day (if screwed up, give it to a very good Jay), Ronnie has been injury free. Your boy won three Sandow's with one arm. That is a travesty. BTW, it is hilarious seeing you bring in the weight card when that is what you have been preaching is wrong with my reasoning that Coleman of now is better. You contradict yourself constantly. Ronnie absolutely crushes Yates from the front and back. Side tri's I agree go to Yates. Front lat spread, you are on drugs. You need thighs and arms too. Yates lats may flare a little more (debateable), but Ronnie has everything except calves over Yates. Give it up ND.
If Yates stood injury free he would have beat Ronnie , again ;) what changed for Ronnie in 98? he was the same weight in 96 and 97 in 98 he cam n with amazing conditioning , big deal Yates always had amazing conditioning even at his worse , use your head , he just barely beat Flex in 98 by just 3 points , one of the closest Mr Olympia contests ever , Dorian in 93 domianted the feild , no one was even close , and I think Flex was sharper at the 93 Olympia than he was in 98 , So Dorian would have no problem running over Ronnie , it would be just another day at the office , and for all the Ronnie fans who counter with Yates won with one bicep , Ronnie has won 8 Olympia with two missing calves !! and a torn bicep can be hidden , weak calves can't .
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If Yates stood injury free he would have beat Ronnie , again ;) what changed for Ronnie in 98? he was the same weight in 96 and 97 in 98 he cam n with amazing conditioning , big deal Yates always had amazing conditioning even at his worse , use your head , he just barely beat Flex in 98 by just 3 points , one of the closest Mr Olympia contests ever , Dorian in 93 domianted the feild , no one was even close , and I think Flex was sharper at the 93 Olympia than he was in 98 , So Dorian would have no problem running over Ronnie , it would be just another day at the office , and for all the Ronnie fans who counter with Yates won with one bicep , Ronnie has won 8 Olympia with two missing calves !! and a torn bicep can be hidden , weak calves can't .
His calves aren't missing. They are actually quite large. Dorian was a bloody train wreck at the end of his career. He looked like the bloated and water-logged corpse of popular actor John Goodman.
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Dorian by the end was appaling and an absolute disgrace of a bber. Torn muscles everywhere, a ever increasing gut and torso yet his arms remained the same size thus even looked worse than they did at the start of his career. I bet the weiders asked him to retire because even they couldnt face awarding him another title when there were several superior men standing on stage.
Sad.
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ND, you keeping saying that other people are saying that Coleman would have beat Yates because ronnie was bigger.
If you actually read what we are saying, size is nothing.
You will note that Ronnie at his best was about 10 pounds LESS than Dorian at his best.
Dorian would be bigger.
but that is the problem: bigger is not better.
Coleman (even though he would weigh slightly less than Yates) would have:
-better arms.
-better quads
-better glutes/hams
-better chest
-better back double bi
-better looking lats due to a much better taper
-better vascularity
-more striations
-better muscle shape, esp. thighs, arms, delts...
ronnie was 247 at the AC, Dorian was 257 in 1993.
Dorian would technically be bigger.
Ronnie would be worlds better for the reasons that I mentioned above.
Size is irrelevant when the difference is only 10 pounds.
its muscle quality, taper and shape that really counts.
Its quality NOT quantity , but Dorian would have 10 pounds more of quality muscle couple that with being about one inch shorter and that makes a difference
And you can pick out better parts , or better shape and I can counter , but the bottom line is who would look best in the mandatories and Yates' would have an egde in most of them !! and you wouldn't thus we gain no ground !! ???
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Dorian by the end was appaling and an absolute disgrace of a bber. Torn muscles everywhere, a ever increasing gut and torso yet his arms remained the same size thus even looked worse than they did at the start of his career. I bet the weiders asked him to retire because even they couldnt face awarding him another title when there were several superior men standing on stage.
Sad.
How ironic Yates & Coleman started off great and ended up not so great !!
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Its quality NOT quantity , but Dorian would have 10 pounds more of quality muscle couple that with being about one inch shorter and that makes a difference
And you can pick out better parts , or better shape and I can counter , but the bottom line is who would look best in the mandatories and Yates' would have an egde in most of them !! and you wouldn't thus we gain no ground !! ???
Ronnie would win 5 out of 7 mandatories.
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Ronnie would win 5 out of 7 mandatories.
actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).
Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.
not even close
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actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).
Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.
not even close
That looks right to me. He would definitely dominate.
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actually, 6 out of 8 (most muscular is a mandatory pose).
Ronnie would lose the side tri and ab and thigh, and thats it.
not even close
Side tri , side chest , front & rear latspreads and Ronnie most muscluar at the ASC wasn't that spectatcular , so give that to Yates , and ab-thigh 6 out of 8 for Yates and the other two are gifts , from me to you .
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Side tri , side chest , front & rear latspreads and Ronnie most muscluar at the ASC wasn't that spectatcular , so give that to Yates , and ab-thigh 6 out of 8 for Yates and the other two are gifts , from me to you .
Ronnie would take side chest, front and rear latspreads, most muscular, front and rear double biceps. That's 6 out of 8, at his best.
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Ronnie would take side chest, front and rear latspreads, most muscular, front and rear double biceps. That's 6 out of 8, at his best.
Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .
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Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .
No, Ronnie wins 6 out of 8.
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Ronnie's cant even do a proper sidechest and his delts tend to dominate that pose , same thing with the front latspread , he can't do it and looks odd trying to pull it off , his rear latspread looks good but Yates' is better , front & rear double biceps I'm torn on , you think Ronnie should win just based on better biceps I don't , I say the front double bicep in 93 Yates' was pre-tear and his biceps looked great and he has better balance & porportion on both the back & front shots , but yell give Ronnie both of these shots , mostmuscular a 245lb Ronnie or a 257lbs Dorian !! you do the math .
Size isnt every thing ND. Once again blatant hypocrisy. Cutler outweights dexter jackson by a good 40lbs but is his most muscular better?
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Size isnt every thing ND. Once again blatant hypocrisy. Cutler outweights dexter jackson by a good 40lbs but is his most muscular better?
That depends on who you ask , some prefer Dex & others Jay .
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ND you are completely retarded if you think that Yates most muscular beats Ronnie's at the AC:
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/Arnold.05_LG.jpg)
granted, this is a mm variation, but its quality destroys anything that Yates ever presented.
the only reason why you say that his mm at the AC wasn't great is because there are no good shot of it.
I have the flex coverage of the AC where Ronnie won, but I do not have a scanner. On the opening page it shows Kamali and Ronnie doing a most muscular.
You have to see it to believe how good Ronnie looks in it.
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front double bi to yates?
side chest to yates?
rear double bi to Yates?
ND you have lost your mind.
See, everyone can see that Ronnie (had) amazing quality in his pre-gut best..
You seem to be the only one who can see it with Yates.
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front double bi to yates?
side chest to yates?
rear double bi to Yates?
ND you have lost your mind.
See, everyone can see that Ronnie (had) amazing quality in his pre-gut best..
You seem to be the only one who can see it with Yates.
Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !! >:(
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Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !! >:(
Great job showing a non-contest picture. ::)
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that is not to say dorian did not have great quality, but when you stand next to THIS:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
when you look like THIS:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
there is NO WAY that you are going to win. two totally different classes of bodybuilders.
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Have you lost your mind? Ronnie had a gut at his best !! >:(
and Yates didn't? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/diablo86/93%20olympia/dorian_yates_shawn_ray_flex_wheeler.jpg)
your desperation is sad.
Admit it ND- Ronnie would crush dorian if they competed at their bests. two different classes - one has much more quality than the other.
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that is not to say dorian did not have great quality, but when you stand next to THIS:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/dungeon1986/99%20grand%20prix/more%20pics/1999BritishGrandPrix_0070.jpg)
when you look like THIS:
(http://digilander.libero.it/mrolympia2/dy26.jpg)
there is NO WAY that you are going to win. two totally different classes of bodybuilders.
Dorian's arms look like someone got a mannequin from the clothing store, hollowed out its arms, and starting shovelling shit down them :-\
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ND, you are a Greek travesty. Despite incontrovertible evidence, you persist in your delusions. If I were a psychiatrist, I would be prescibing Geodon or Haldol to you. Any person without bias can clearly see that Yate's looked like crap after 1994. He may have been hard, but nowhere near the condition of his famous B&W film photos, which a respected member on the board clearly informs that digitized colored photos into B&W are not equal. Moreover, his symmetry was appalling. From the front Nasser destroyed him. If Nasser had a back equal to Levrone's, he would have won. Coleman was largely overlooked until late 1997. That is a fact. If the judges were not biased (hardly the case in the IFBB but stay with me), Ronnie would have won easily. Yates looked like shit. He looked good one year, maybe decent in 1995 but he still had that torn bicep. The other years were a joke. If Haney were around, he would have won. Yates may have taken him in 1993, but who is to say Haney wouldn't have gotten jacked on the gear and come in 10 pounds heavier also. Every statement you make is regurgitated. Your points are asinine. How a respected poster became a sandbox to tout a very average Mr. Olympia after 1993 is beyond me and many others. As far as overlooking an athlete, I can point out our current Branch Warren. Yes he has gotten better, but not so much that he has appeared out of the blue this year. When he first became a pro, many a scribe wondered how this guy placed so low. If you can honestly state that nobody ever got screwed in an IFBB pro show, I got some beach property in Nevada I want to sell you.
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ND you are completely retarded if you think that Yates most muscular beats Ronnie's at the AC:
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granted, this is a mm variation, but its quality destroys anything that Yates ever presented.
the only reason why you say that his mm at the AC wasn't great is because there are no good shot of it.
I have the flex coverage of the AC where Ronnie won, but I do not have a scanner. On the opening page it shows Kamali and Ronnie doing a most muscular.
You have to see it to believe how good Ronnie looks in it.
You know what you have a point its much better than the other one , he does look great in this shot , he isn't dwarfing Dennis but his conditioning is just sick , but look how his biceps just dominate this pose , it really makes hise chest & delts look small .
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Great job showing a non-contest picture. ::)
Thats from the 2001 ACS !! :o
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Thats from the 2001 ACS !! :o
Yeah, I'm sure he competed against Vickie Gates ::)
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ND, you are a Greek travesty. Despite incontrovertible evidence, you persist in your delusions. If I were a psychiatrist, I would be prescibing Geodon or Haldol to you. Any person without bias can clearly see that Yate's looked like crap after 1994. He may have been hard, but nowhere near the condition of his famous B&W film photos, which a respected member on the board clearly informs that digitized colored photos into B&W are not equal. Moreover, his symmetry was appalling. From the front Nasser destroyed him. If Nasser had a back equal to Levrone's, he would have won. Coleman was largely overlooked until late 1997. That is a fact. If the judges were not biased (hardly the case in the IFBB but stay with me), Ronnie would have won easily. Yates looked like shit. He looked good one year, maybe decent in 1995 but he still had that torn bicep. The other years were a joke. If Haney were around, he would have won. Yates may have taken him in 1993, but who is to say Haney wouldn't have gotten jacked on the gear and come in 10 pounds heavier also. Every statement you make is regurgitated. Your points are asinine. How a respected poster became a sandbox to tout a very average Mr. Olympia after 1993 is beyond me and many others. As far as overlooking an athlete, I can point out our current Branch Warren. Yes he has gotten better, but not so much that he has appeared out of the blue this year. When he first became a pro, many a scribe wondered how this guy placed so low. If you can honestly state that nobody ever got screwed in an IFBB pro show, I got some beach property in Nevada I want to sell you.
You tend to get to emotional when posting , seriously , and " incontrovertible evidence " is nothing more than your opinion , which at the end of the day is worth about just as much as mine , maybe Ronnie would make Dorian look like an amatuer , and maybe Dorian would put Ronnie in his place again , who knows? at the end of the day its just spectulation on an internet message board , don't get to envloved lol
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BUT GETBIG IS MY LIFE!!! :-*
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You tend to get to emotional when posting , seriously , and " incontrovertible evidence " is nothing more than your opinion , which at the end of the day is worth about just as much as mine , maybe Ronnie would make Dorian look like an amatuer , and maybe Dorian would put Ronnie in his place again , who knows? at the end of the day its just spectulation on an internet message board , don't get to envloved lol
don't get to envloved lol....you need to correct the errors in this part of the sentence ;D
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ND, I am not emotional, I am just adamant. I admit I get frustrated when the truth is so easily seen. You act like if Dorian didn't retire, he would have gone on and dominated. I and many others feel differently. The evidence is in the pics, Ronnie is better. You may claim that a 1993 Dorian is close, but comparing a 1997 one armed Dorian with massive asymmetry to a spot on Ronnie is ludicrous. So what if Ronnie won by only three points in 1998. You don't think Flex got some votes simply because he was the heir apparent. You don't think that a guy who got completely overlooked in 1997 and slowly works his way into the mind's eye did not get votes b/c he wasn't Flex or Levrone or Cormier. Be serious, anybody who saw the show in person or even photos clearly sees that Ronnie blew him away. Mike Matarazzo, a pretty respected bodybuilder some would say, stated that Ronnie ushered in a new era. He predicted in Muscular Development or maybe Ironman that Ronnie would never get beat again. Except for a travesty in 1993 when Gunther was briefly Weider's new boy, Mike was correct. Never has this level of muscularity been seen on the bodybuilding stage. I prefer Haney and admit as much. However, I am not completely delusional and realize that Ronnie is likely surpassed him.
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ND, I am not emotional, I am just adamant. I admit I get frustrated when the truth is so easily seen. You act like if Dorian didn't retire, he would have gone on and dominated. I and many others feel differently. The evidence is in the pics, Ronnie is better. You may claim that a 1993 Dorian is close, but comparing a 1997 one armed Dorian with massive asymmetry to a spot on Ronnie is ludicrous. So what if Ronnie won by only three points in 1998. You don't think Flex got some votes simply because he was the heir apparent. You don't think that a guy who got completely overlooked in 1997 and slowly works his way into the mind's eye did not get votes b/c he wasn't Flex or Levrone or Cormier. Be serious, anybody who saw the show in person or even photos clearly sees that Ronnie blew him away. Mike Matarazzo, a pretty respected bodybuilder some would say, stated that Ronnie ushered in a new era. He predicted in Muscular Development or maybe Ironman that Ronnie would never get beat again. Except for a travesty in 1993 when Gunther was briefly Weider's new boy, Mike was correct. Never has this level of muscularity been seen on the bodybuilding stage. I prefer Haney and admit as much. However, I am not completely delusional and realize that Ronnie is likely surpassed him.
You get frustrated when your thruth isn't easily seen ;) and I was reffering if an injury free Yates was still competing Ronnie would have never won , and I stand by that statement , I said I don't think Yates should have won in 97 , he looked bad
And if Flex came in dead-on Ronnie would have never won in 98 , Flex beat himself in that contest and Ronnie was good enough to take advantage of that and , Shawn Ray said Ronnie won that contest because he was the most improved bodybuilder from one year to the next and didn't win by virtue of the best physique !! Ernie Taylor said if Yates competed in 98 he would have beat Coleman , so you say Mike says this and I can counter with so-and-so says that , so again your truth is no more valid than mine , simply because its an opinion .
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You get frustrated when your thruth isn't easily seen ;) and I was reffering if an injury free Yates was still competing Ronnie would have never won , and I stand by that statement , I said I don't think Yates should have won in 97 , he looked bad
And if Flex came in dead-on Ronnie would have never won in 98 , Flex beat himself in that contest and Ronnie was good enough to take advantage of that and , Shawn Ray said Ronnie won that contest because he was the most improved bodybuilder from one year to the next and didn't win by virtue of the best physique !! Ernie Taylor said if Yates competed in 98 he would have beat Coleman , so you say Mike says this and I can counter with so-and-so says that , so again your truth is no more valid than mine , simply because its an opinion .
Flex didn't beat himself. He just refused to work for what he supposedly wanted.
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Flex didn't beat himself. He just refused to work for what he supposedly wanted.
stop reading old articles of flex and muscle mag bro..
REALLY...
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stop reading old articles of flex and muscle mag bro..
REALLY...
I haven't read either of those in awhile. Why?
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Isn't Ernie Taylor Dorian's ex workout partner ::). Yeah, he would admit his best buddy would get beat by an American. Next.