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The Problem with Renewables
https://odysee.com/@Geopop:4/the-problem-with-renewables-peter-zeihan:1
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The Problem with Renewables
https://odysee.com/@Geopop:4/the-problem-with-renewables-peter-zeihan:1
They talk about carbon output, but compared to what? Natural Gas? Nuclear Energy?
In Germany it takes 10-15 Years until Solar Panels pay off.
You can use them 30-40 Years.
So the Argument in the Link is that they produce more carbon in production for solar panels than other energy sources to produce the power directly? I kind of doubt that.
The Link you posted is thin on real information, no information about what they actually compare. They just say it is like this and don't explain anything.
Energy-Payback-Time in Europe for Solar Panels is 1-1,3 Years, in 20-25 years you have produced 20-25x more energy than needed for production of said solar panels. Even if produced in China with Fossil Fuels that seems pretty good to me..
Natural Gas is not much better than coal in carbon output.
I don't get it, maybe you can bring arguments what the problem realy is.
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They talk about carbon output, but compared to what? Natural Gas? Nuclear Energy?
In Germany it takes 10-15 Years until Solar Panels pay off.
You can use them 30-40 Years.
So the Argument in the Link is that they produce more carbon in production for solar panels than other energy sources to produce the power directly? I kind of doubt that.
The Link you posted is thin on real information, no information about what they actually compare. They just say it is like this and don't explain anything.
Energy-Payback-Time in Europe for Solar Panels is 1-1,3 Years, in 20-25 years you have produced 20-25x more energy than needed for production of said solar panels. Even if produced in China with Fossil Fuels that seems pretty good to me..
Natural Gas is not much better than coal in carbon output.
I don't get it, maybe you can bring arguments what the problem realy is.
Photovoltaic panels don't heat your houses. The real problem is there is no substitute for fossil fuels or burning wood other than nuclear energy to keep Germans from freezing to death in winter.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Germany-Turns-To-Coal-Power-Amid-Natural-Gas-Crisis.html
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No way a solar panel pays back in 1-3 years unless you are including government subsidies.
If you watched the video you would understand what the reasoning is.
Wind and solar wouldn't even exist without the government subsides.
Neither would electric vehicles.
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Germany is f*cked in the future for several reasons. Energy is just one.
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Wind and solar wouldn't even exist without the government subsides.
Neither would electric vehicles.
Right. I deleted my post because I wasn't sure what he meant in his post.
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Photovoltaic panels don't heat your houses. The real problem is there is no substitute for fossil fuels or burning wood other than nuclear energy to keep Germans from freezing to death in winter.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Germany-Turns-To-Coal-Power-Amid-Natural-Gas-Crisis.html
Interesting to note that burning wood is now considered "Renewable Energy".
This happened when the term "Clean Energy" changed to "Renewable Energy".
Of course environmentalists use the two terms interchangeably.
I watched a recent documentary (can't remember the name of it) showing how Al Gore has made millions burning down the Amazon Rain Forest to create "Renewable Energy".
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Germany is f*cked in the future for several reasons. Energy is just one.
They were running 17 nuke pants and are now down to 3, irrationally fearing a Fukushima-like disaster.
The subsidies necessary to support their renewables has their electricity prices 2-3 times what we pay, depending on the state.
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They talk about carbon output, but compared to what? Natural Gas? Nuclear Energy?
In Germany it takes 10-15 Years until Solar Panels pay off.
You can use them 30-40 Years.
So the Argument in the Link is that they produce more carbon in production for solar panels than other energy sources to produce the power directly? I kind of doubt that.
The Link you posted is thin on real information, no information about what they actually compare. They just say it is like this and don't explain anything.
Energy-Payback-Time in Europe for Solar Panels is 1-1,3 Years, in 20-25 years you have produced 20-25x more energy than needed for production of said solar panels. Even if produced in China with Fossil Fuels that seems pretty good to me..
Natural Gas is not much better than coal in carbon output.
I don't get it, maybe you can bring arguments what the problem realy is.
Not much difference in carbon output?
According to the EPA it's half as much as as coal. USA carbon emissions have declined over 40% over the last 20 years mainly due to nat gas instead of coal
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Not much difference in carbon output?
According to the EPA it's half as much as as coal. USA carbon emissions have declined over 40% over the last 20 years mainly due to nat gas instead of coal
Because of natural gas plants, we produce less GHG now as a percentage of world totals and tonnage than when Clinton was in office - and because we continue to operate nuke plants.
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Not much difference in carbon output?
According to the EPA it's half as much as as coal. USA carbon emissions have declined over 40% over the last 20 years mainly due to nat gas instead of coal
No, not much better i wrote, because the argument in the link seems to be to use natural gas as a power source directly in opposite to solar panels produced in china with coal.
And that is bullshit because a solar panel produces 20x more energy than what was needed to produce the solar panel itself.
example:
100kw is needed to produce a solar panel in china with coal
2000kw(100kw x 20) out of a solar panel in its lifetime
Can you produce 2000kw with Natural gas with less carbon emission than 100kw from coal?
It makes almost no difference where you produce it or in which country you place it, it will always generate the least carbon output.
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Food and energy have had the largest inflationary price increases by far.
I don’t think It’s about whether a solar panel is carbon neutral I think it’s more about getting energy and food price up high enough where it forces allocation of household income away from high waste consumer goods and onto these 2 things.
Reducing the Bs Consumer goods is where the carbon benefit is realised.
If the above is true it then likely means high sun areas could become the most desirable as there exists opportunity to have free energy.
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Interesting to note that burning wood is now considered "Renewable Energy".
This happened when the term "Clean Energy" changed to "Renewable Energy".
Of course environmentalists use the two terms interchangeably.
I watched a recent documentary (can't remember the name of it) showing how Al Gore has made millions burning down the Amazon Rain Forest to create "Renewable Energy".
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You think Covid is a deadly threat to people, you dumb fuck. You have no credibility.
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Interesting to note that burning wood is now considered "Renewable Energy".
This happened when the term "Clean Energy" changed to "Renewable Energy".
Of course environmentalists use the two terms interchangeably.
I watched a recent documentary (can't remember the name of it) showing how Al Gore has made millions burning down the Amazon Rain Forest to create "Renewable Energy".
::)
I burn wood. Currently designing a fan forced downdraft gasification boiler furnace with awesome heat exchange, possibly with a cooktop and oven.
a solar panel produces 20x more energy than what was needed to produce the solar panel itself.
I'd be interested to see the accounting. If they include mining, refing, ect.
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Wind and solar wouldn't even exist without the government subsides.
Neither would electric vehicles.
That tells how valuable they are. The new generation is so gullible.
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They talk about carbon output, but compared to what? Natural Gas? Nuclear Energy?
In Germany it takes 10-15 Years until Solar Panels pay off.
You can use them 30-40 Years.
So the Argument in the Link is that they produce more carbon in production for solar panels than other energy sources to produce the power directly? I kind of doubt that.
The Link you posted is thin on real information, no information about what they actually compare. They just say it is like this and don't explain anything.
Energy-Payback-Time in Europe for Solar Panels is 1-1,3 Years, in 20-25 years you have produced 20-25x more energy than needed for production of said solar panels. Even if produced in China with Fossil Fuels that seems pretty good to me..
Natural Gas is not much better than coal in carbon output.
I don't get it, maybe you can bring arguments what the problem realy is.
You can use them for 30-40 years? I doubt that….they aren’t tried and tested since they haven’t been around that long to test.
I considered solar panels but per panel, not enough capacity for my expected use. Moore’s Law maybe in another 3 years I’ll be satisfied to install a system and battery backup bank. I believe that it’s better as a back up compared to a gas generator which I’d pay about the same amount but still have to pay for fuel come time to run it which would be very high seeing as how the prices of natural gas is going to be.
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That tells how valuable they are. The new generation is so gullible.
Lmfao oil, gas, and coal get way more subsidies than renewables. Talk about gullible ;D
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You can use them for 30-40 years? I doubt that….they aren’t tried and tested since they haven’t been around that long to test.
I considered solar panels but per panel, not enough capacity for my expected use. Moore’s Law maybe in another 3 years I’ll be satisfied to install a system and battery backup bank. I believe that it’s better as a back up compared to a gas generator which I’d pay about the same amount but still have to pay for fuel come time to run it which would be very high seeing as how the prices of natural gas is going to be.
There are some cool vids about wood gasification if you want an off grid solution. Charing wood without combustion releases gas that will power a gasoline engine. Tons of vehicles were converted to run on wood gas during WW2 gasoline shortages. There are drawbacks, of course, like contaminants and storage issues.
Personally, I wouldn't bother backing up electricity at all for long term outages, and I'm content with generator backup for brief periods.
The vast majority of domestic electricity is spent on climate control imo. When I looked into solar & batteries, I found I could do everything with a pretty modest bank, but AC would require massive battery capacity. Heating elements are thirsty too but easily replaced with flame.
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Electricity is produced by agitating electrons. Using the nucleus seems like the most natural way to do this. I suspect even leftists will eventually come around to
nuclear.
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I'm curious to run a 'swamp cooler' but pass the cooled & damp evap air through a heat exchanger to cool a second air supplied at ambient humidity. Seems like you'd get decent temp drop without the humidity rise. Fans draw fuck all compared to compressors. I guess it would cost evaporated water but you'd collect some back from condensation dropping out of the ambient air.
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I'm curious to run a 'swamp cooler' but pass the cooled & damp evap air through a heat exchanger to cool a second air supplied at ambient humidity. Seems like you'd get decent temp drop without the humidity rise. Fans draw fuck all compared to compressors. I guess it would cost evaporated water but you'd collect some back from condensation dropping out of the ambient air.
Yeah I mostly am interested in maintaining indoor temps with backup energy for when storms hit.
Swamp cooler depends on what area of US you live in. If low humidity region, then it’s fine.
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Yeah I mostly am interested in maintaining indoor temps with backup energy for when storms hit.
Swamp cooler depends on what area of US you live in. If low humidity region, then it’s fine.
Unless you believe fossil fuels are going to get Bill Gates expensive, the cost of a gen for a day here and there would be negligible.
I'm in West Australia. Summers are bone dry. Theh call them evaporative air conditioners here. Regarded as a low market, yesterday technology. I've just never heard of anyone solving the dampness issue, which is what makes them suck, by introducing ambient air to an evap cooled heat exchanger.
I'm also going to have a retarded amount of insulation. Like 2-3 feet think overhead and 12" wall cavities along with double or triple glazing and drop down insulative screens. If I ever get time to do it. Just doing a check of seals and leaks might make a difference to what you're spending on climate control if big insulation works aren't practical for you.
I dig electricity for it's ability to run electronics and control systems but to generate it from a thing we make move and then use it to make something else move... the frictional and conversion losses are surely staggering. For heating, forget it. Shit that burns is hot, I figure.
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Interesting to note that burning wood is now considered "Renewable Energy".
This happened when the term "Clean Energy" changed to "Renewable Energy".
Of course environmentalists use the two terms interchangeably.
I watched a recent documentary (can't remember the name of it) showing how Al Gore has made millions burning down the Amazon Rain Forest to create "Renewable Energy".
::)
Yes- I agree. If we all had to burn wood to stay warm all of a sudden there would be no forests left. The real problem is the population has gotten so dense in parts of the world that day to day life there is unsustainable without fossil fuels or nuclear.
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Unless you believe fossil fuels are going to get Bill Gates expensive, the cost of a gen for a day here and there would be negligible.
I'm in West Australia. Summers are bone dry. Theh call them evaporative air conditioners here. Regarded as a low market, yesterday technology. I've just never heard of anyone solving the dampness issue, which is what makes them suck, by introducing ambient air to an evap cooled heat exchanger.
I'm also going to have a retarded amount of insulation. Like 2-3 feet think overhead and 12" wall cavities along with double or triple glazing and drop down insulative screens. If I ever get time to do it. Just doing a check of seals and leaks might make a difference to what you're spending on climate control if big insulation works aren't practical for you.
I dig electricity for it's ability to run electronics and control systems but to generate it from a thing we make move and then use it to make something else move... the frictional and conversion losses are surely staggering. For heating, forget it. Shit that burns is hot, I figure.
Swamp coolers work well in arid environments. A properly designed one can drop the temp by 25-30 degrees F on a really hot day, but their cooling declines as the ambient temp drops.
The problem with the water cooling is it needs to be setup outdoors and blow into the habitation. So on a hot day the entire unit is going to bake and depending on how your water circulates, it can heat up too, making the cooler less efficient.
Much better than nothing.
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we have multi fuel stoves in the main room and in one of the conservatories
We only used or gas central heating twice last winter
We just keep the main stove burning and it heats the whole house
We are looking at an electric shower as opposed to our gas mixer and a boiling water tap in the kitchen
Get rid of the gas and we save £150 on standing charge alone each year.
Will cost about £700 for the shower and tap
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Long term I’d like to do a ground source heat pump. I know they’re more common in Europe .. any Euros have experience with them?
Would be nice to go electric for the heat, and they claim up to 300% efficiency. Installation is pricey but you can recoup the costs in 5-10 years
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That tells how valuable they are. The new generation is so gullible.
I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.
People believe what they want.
I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.
Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.
Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.
California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.
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we have multi fuel stoves in the main room and in one of the conservatories
We only used or gas central heating twice last winter
We just keep the main stove burning and it heats the whole house
We are looking at an electric shower as opposed to our gas mixer and a boiling water tap in the kitchen
Get rid of the gas and we save £150 on standing charge alone each year.
Will cost about £700 for the shower and tap
Since i live alone and travel a lot, my gas bill consists of only franchise fees, usage fees, meter fee and taxes.
I'm paying less than $10 a month for gas in the summer and $30-40 in the winter, but the other $45 every month are the taxes and fees i pay just to have access to it. Which i'm required by code to access and use it as long as there is a habitant in the house.
And i pay for the meter and if it fails and i need a new one, i have to pay for that too. It's all a big fraud.
It's better to just buy a large tank and go low pressure, if i was allowed to do this i would pay less than $100 per year, but it's not allowed in my community.
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The Problem with Renewables
https://odysee.com/@Geopop:4/the-problem-with-renewables-peter-zeihan:1
Thank you for posting something from Odysee.com . More people should check out Odysee. It's much more pro free speech than Youtube and has a lot of opinions and ideas not allowed on Youtube.
Plus, for people who watch movies, it has a lot of full length classic and new movies that Youtube either doesn't have or charges for and would take down instantly if someone uploaded them. And, on most, you can right click and save the entire movie to your hard drive.
Would be nice if there was a way to embed odysee here.
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Since i live alone and travel a lot, my gas bill consists of only franchise fees, usage fees, meter fee and taxes.
I'm paying less than $10 a month for gas in the summer and $30-40 in the winter, but the other $45 every month are the taxes and fees i pay just to have access to it. Which i'm required by code to access and use it as long as there is a habitant in the house.
And i pay for the meter and if it fails and i need a new one, i have to pay for that too. It's all a big fraud.
It's better to just buy a large tank and go low pressure, if i was allowed to do this i would pay less than $100 per year, but it's not allowed in my community.
thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"
There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels
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thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"
There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels
Word.
I have a wood burning stove that will heat the lower level of my house. It gets cold as shit here in the winter. If i buy the wood in large bulk units it's affordable.
I try not to run my heater if i don't have to.
Thankfully i live on the edge of a forest that gets timber harvested every year. Pretty easy to buy a bunch of firewood at a decent price.
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I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.
People believe what they want.
I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.
Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.
Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.
California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.
I am a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt Liberal and I realize that solar and wind energy are dispersed over a wide area...The only current industrial process that gets you a Buttload (an engineering term) all in one place with out burning anything is nuclear fission...I said as much last year to a German and he nearly decked me.
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Germany has been taken over by Greens and now they are f*cked.
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thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"
There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels
Watch it with builders lumber. CCA treatments and such.
I'm in the building game and I still don't bring it home to burn.
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I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.
People believe what they want.
I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.
Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.
Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.
California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.
There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.
Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?
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I am a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt Liberal and I realize that solar and wind energy are dispersed over a wide area...The only current industrial process that gets you a Buttload (an engineering term) all in one place with out burning anything is nuclear fission...I said as much last year to a German and he nearly decked me.
Exactly.
But people are scared of Nuclear and there is a problem getting rid of the waste.
I'd much prefer we spend all these billions on improving nuclear rather than trying to force solar/wind to work.
The amount of energy produced versus the cost is staggering.
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There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.
Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?
You can't get off the grid unless you live in a 300 SF shipping container with no a/c.
Even my house has to be connected to the grid.
The rental property is in Mesilla, just next to Las Cruces. About 2 hours southwest of Ruidoso.
I really like Ruidoso, been hiking there a few times.
Solar is huge in NM, but it's more for people who have money to waste so they feel good about the environment. It's not cheaper or more stable in any way. And you still have to be connected to the grid by local code. The area i live is discussing banning battery walls, which seems pretty stupid if you are pushing solar. They want to control everything.
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You can't get off the grid unless you live in a 300 SF shipping container with no a/c.
Even my house has to be connected to the grid.
The rental property is in Mesilla, just next to Las Cruces. About 2 hours southwest of Ruidoso.
I really like Ruidoso, been hiking there a few times.
Solar is huge in NM, but it's more for people who have money to waste so they feel good about the environment. It's not cheaper or more stable in any way. And you still have to be connected to the grid by local code. The area i live is discussing banning battery walls, which seems pretty stupid if you are pushing solar. They want to control everything.
the panels are shit, if there is a power cut you still dont have any battery power as it has to be connected to the grid to work
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Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.
6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time
I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).
Realistic?
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Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.
6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time
I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).
Realistic?
Vacation cottage or home gym for a typical getbigger
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Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.
6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time
I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).
Realistic?
I would need to have a full fixture count with design load analysis to answer that question.
But a 30kwh system operating at PEAK could handle that easily.
Hopefully you have a football field or two of space (shadow free) to build the array.
Cost you a cool 250k easy.
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There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.
Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?
LEDs draw jack shit. Solar supplies plenty for lighting. It's dim in there for other reasons. Come to think of it why were you in there, Hunter?
I'm still not convinced they make more than it takes to make them tho.
Bunch of guys can't do math around here. "WilL sOLar paNeLS ruN tHis?????" Welllll, depends on the draw vs the supply capability of your array, batteries, and inverter, doesn't it? Don't make an effort to calculate it You don't want to risk learning anything. Jesus.
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There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.
Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?
In the USA the household use of energy is in order of size:
- Heating Ventilation AirConditioning
- Food Cooking
- Kitchen Refridgeration/Freezing
- If you use Thomas Edison/Swann incandesant bulbs...Lights
- Your electronic devices...The smallest by far of your home
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Great documentary. Was banned on Youtube for awhile because you can't let the truth out.
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Great documentary. Was banned on Youtube for awhile because you can't let the truth out.
Yup, and Libs can't call it right-wing propaganda because it was produced by Michael Moore and directed by another Lib.
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Vacation cottage or home gym for a typical getbigger
This is for my ride on lawn mower.
I would need to have a full fixture count with design load analysis to answer that question.
But a 30kwh system operating at PEAK could handle that easily.
Hopefully you have a football field or two of space (shadow free) to build the array.
Cost you a cool 250k easy.
See this is where I get a bit lost as we hear kWh numbers for home systems but then you refer to a football field size.
A guy on my street said he has a 25kwh system. It’s slightly smaller than our house and runs panels down the long side and then across the back section. Reckons it powers everything in his house but I’ll ask him after Winter finishes.
Cost was something like USD23k not 250k you mentioned so what am I missing here? Are Aussie ratings different to US? You can get 6kwh systems here for USD4k or so which is for small houses, I know it’s peak power so perhaps we are just quoting spastic BS numbers and the reality is those systems are considerably lower?
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See this is where I get a bit lost as we hear kWh numbers for home systems but then you refer to a football field size.
A guy on my street said he has a 25kwh system. It’s slightly smaller than our house and runs panels down the long side and then across the back section. Reckons it powers everything in his house but I’ll ask him after Winter finishes.
Cost was something like USD23k not 250k you mentioned so what am I missing here? Are Aussie ratings different to US? You can get 6kwh systems here for USD4k or so which is for small houses, I know it’s peak power so perhaps we are just quoting spastic BS numbers and the reality is those systems are considerably lower?
Not all systems are equal.
Depends on what system you have and how it's setup. You can get something cheap that you have to replace every 6-8 years or a kit that will last 30+ years, which you just need to replace the panels.
What kind of battery backup? Monitoring system? Controls? Current? Inverter? Panels? They all range from cheap to expensive based on usage and life expectancy. The smart control system for my house was going to be an extra 8k.
Solar arrays are like cars, a 300hp Honda versus a 300hp Porsche is going to cost very different.
We did a 30kWh setup for a small warehouse and it was over 200k.
You need to know the full demand and how long you plan to use it.
I was just throwing something out there based on what i've seen.
The kit i have on my house was 28k installed and it works fine unless you need to run the a/c. There is not enough battery to run it for long. I typically switch the the battery wall only when i know the a/c isn't going to run, it works great in the winter.
You can get a cheap system just to offset some energy during certain times, but a full off the grid system is going to be expensive.
Most people have the kits that tie in to their current electrical setup and use it to reduce electrical draw for short periods of time.