The Problem with Renewables

[ProudVirgin69]

Long term I’d like to do a ground source heat pump.  I know they’re more common in Europe .. any Euros have experience with them?

Would be nice to go electric for the heat, and they claim up to 300% efficiency.  Installation is pricey but you can recoup the costs in 5-10 years

[ThisisOverload]

That tells how valuable they are. The new generation is so gullible.

I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.

People believe what they want.

I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.

Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.

Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.

California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.

[ThisisOverload]

we have multi fuel stoves in the main room and in one of the conservatories
We only used or gas central heating twice last winter
We just keep the main stove burning and it heats the whole house

We are looking at an electric shower as opposed to our gas mixer and a boiling water tap in the kitchen

Get rid of the gas and we save £150 on standing charge alone each year.
Will cost about £700 for the shower and tap

Since i live alone and travel a lot, my gas bill consists of only franchise fees, usage fees, meter fee and taxes.

I'm paying less than $10 a month for gas in the summer and $30-40 in the winter, but the other $45 every month are the taxes and fees i pay just to have access to it. Which i'm required by code to access and use it as long as there is a habitant in the house.

And i pay for the meter and if it fails and i need a new one, i have to pay for that too. It's all a big fraud.

It's better to just buy a large tank and go low pressure, if i was allowed to do this i would pay less than $100 per year, but it's not allowed in my community.

[Megalodon]

The Problem with Renewables

https://odysee.com/@Geopop:4/the-problem-with-renewables-peter-zeihan:1

Thank you for posting something from Odysee.com . More people should check out Odysee. It's much more pro free speech than Youtube and has a lot of opinions and ideas not allowed on Youtube.

Plus, for people who watch movies, it has a lot of full length classic and new movies that Youtube either doesn't have or charges for and would take down instantly if someone uploaded them. And, on most, you can right click and save the entire movie to your hard drive.

Would be nice if there was a way to embed odysee here.

[IroNat]

[joswift]

Since i live alone and travel a lot, my gas bill consists of only franchise fees, usage fees, meter fee and taxes.

I'm paying less than $10 a month for gas in the summer and $30-40 in the winter, but the other $45 every month are the taxes and fees i pay just to have access to it. Which i'm required by code to access and use it as long as there is a habitant in the house.

And i pay for the meter and if it fails and i need a new one, i have to pay for that too. It's all a big fraud.

It's better to just buy a large tank and go low pressure, if i was allowed to do this i would pay less than $100 per year, but it's not allowed in my community.

thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"

There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels

[ThisisOverload]

thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"

There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels

Word.

I have a wood burning stove that will heat the lower level of my house. It gets cold as shit here in the winter. If i buy the wood in large bulk units it's affordable.

I try not to run my heater if i don't have to.

Thankfully i live on the edge of a forest that gets timber harvested every year. Pretty easy to buy a bunch of firewood at a decent price.

[sync pulse]

I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.

People believe what they want.

I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.

Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.

Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.

California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.

I am a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt Liberal and I realize that solar and wind energy are dispersed over a wide area...The only current industrial process that gets you a Buttload (an engineering term) all in one place with out burning anything is nuclear fission...I said as much last year to a German and he nearly decked me.

[IroNat]

Germany has been taken over by Greens and now they are f*cked.

[Tapeworm]

thats what I mean by "Standing Charge"

There was rumours of banning multi fuel stoves in the future
We buy coal and use wood from the garden growth each year
We also get all the old wood from neighbours, old sheds and fence panels

Watch it with builders lumber. CCA treatments and such.

I'm in the building game and I still don't bring it home to burn.

[Humble Narcissist]

I worked for one of the largest Energy companies on the planet for 6 years. Did over 100 wind turbines in North Texas and over 50 massive solar projects in NM. I went into quite a bit of detail many times of why it's not effective and how the technology is decades away from being practical. The cost/benefit analysis is a massive loss across the board.

People believe what they want.

I have a rental house in southern NM that has the most advanced solar panels and battery wall you can buy in the states. It will never come close to even paying for itself in 20+ years. And this house is in the desert where there are over 300 days of full sun every year. If i didn't have air conditioning it might break even in 15 years, but that's not practical.

Also, people forget that these "renewable" energy products only work in certain parts of the planet. The vast majority of the planet will never have the infrastructure to utilize it, only modern countries can spend that kind of cash.

Using these renewable programs is going to drive prices sky high and make air conditioning a luxury. That's why you see the green morons talking about not using your a/c and leaving the temp way up. There have been multiple studies proving that it will not work in the near future. But there is so much money in it they are full speed ahead. It's an easy sell to voters who know nothing about supply chains, infrastructure or economics.

California has already shut down the majority of it's solar sites in the last decade. Because they don't do shit and are too expensive to maintain.

There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.

Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?

[ThisisOverload]

I am a modern-day Franklin Roosevelt Liberal and I realize that solar and wind energy are dispersed over a wide area...The only current industrial process that gets you a Buttload (an engineering term) all in one place with out burning anything is nuclear fission...I said as much last year to a German and he nearly decked me.

Exactly.

But people are scared of Nuclear and there is a problem getting rid of the waste.

I'd much prefer we spend all these billions on improving nuclear rather than trying to force solar/wind to work.

The amount of energy produced versus the cost is staggering.

[ThisisOverload]

There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.

Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?

You can't get off the grid unless you live in a 300 SF shipping container with no a/c.

Even my house has to be connected to the grid.

The rental property is in Mesilla, just next to Las Cruces. About 2 hours southwest of Ruidoso.

I really like Ruidoso, been hiking there a few times.

Solar is huge in NM, but it's more for people who have money to waste so they feel good about the environment. It's not cheaper or more stable in any way. And you still have to be connected to the grid by local code. The area i live is discussing banning battery walls, which seems pretty stupid if you are pushing solar. They want to control everything.

[joswift]

You can't get off the grid unless you live in a 300 SF shipping container with no a/c.

Even my house has to be connected to the grid.

The rental property is in Mesilla, just next to Las Cruces. About 2 hours southwest of Ruidoso.

I really like Ruidoso, been hiking there a few times.

Solar is huge in NM, but it's more for people who have money to waste so they feel good about the environment. It's not cheaper or more stable in any way. And you still have to be connected to the grid by local code. The area i live is discussing banning battery walls, which seems pretty stupid if you are pushing solar. They want to control everything.

the panels are shit, if there is a power cut you still dont have any battery power as it has to be connected to the grid to work

[Mayday]

Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.

6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time

I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).

Realistic?

[Hulkotron]

Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.

6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time

I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).

Realistic?

Vacation cottage or home gym for a typical getbigger

[ThisisOverload]

Some knowledgeable people on this thread so I have my scenario for comments.

6,000sq ft home
Full sun exposure from sunrise to sunset
Roof line perfect for sun at all time all seasons
I consume energy like I am a black hole, lights are on in the house all day, everything is 5w leds and I have probably triple lighting most have.
Air con runs in winter for 8hrs/day so it is Bahama warm. This is 2mths of the year.
Air con runs in summer for maybe 4hrs/day
I use dryer for clothes every single time

I want to run a 30kwh system on my roof to power during the day (I work from home).

Realistic?

I would need to have a full fixture count with design load analysis to answer that question.

But a 30kwh system operating at PEAK could handle that easily.

Hopefully you have a football field or two of space (shadow free) to build the array.

Cost you a cool 250k easy.

[loco]

[Tapeworm]

There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.

Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?

LEDs draw jack shit. Solar supplies plenty for lighting. It's dim in there for other reasons. Come to think of it why were you in there, Hunter?

I'm still not convinced they make more than it takes to make them tho.


Bunch of guys can't do math around here. "WilL sOLar paNeLS ruN tHis??" Welllll, depends on the draw vs the supply capability of your array, batteries, and inverter, doesn't it? Don't make an effort to calculate it You don't want to risk learning anything. Jesus.

[sync pulse]

There is a computer tech guy in my area who lives and works out of his trailer that uses solar panels. There must be 20 of those fucking things in the yard and roof but you can barely see inside because the light is so dim. On days that the sun isn't out he still needs to use electric from the grid.

Is your New Mexico place in Ruidoso?

In the USA the household use of energy is in order of size:

• Heating Ventilation AirConditioning
• Food Cooking
• Kitchen Refridgeration/Freezing
• If you use Thomas Edison/Swann  incandesant bulbs...Lights
• Your electronic devices...The smallest by far of your home

[Humble Narcissist]

Great documentary. Was banned on Youtube for awhile because you can't let the truth out.

[loco]

Great documentary. Was banned on Youtube for awhile because you can't let the truth out.

Yup, and Libs can't call it right-wing propaganda because it was produced by Michael Moore and directed by another Lib.

[Mayday]

Vacation cottage or home gym for a typical getbigger

This is for my ride on lawn mower.

I would need to have a full fixture count with design load analysis to answer that question.

But a 30kwh system operating at PEAK could handle that easily.

Hopefully you have a football field or two of space (shadow free) to build the array.

Cost you a cool 250k easy.

See this is where I get a bit lost as we hear kWh numbers for home systems but then you refer to a football field size.

A guy on my street said he has a 25kwh system. It’s slightly smaller than our house and runs panels down the long side and then across the back section. Reckons it powers everything in his house but I’ll ask him after Winter finishes.

Cost was something like USD23k not 250k you mentioned so what am I missing here? Are Aussie ratings different to US?  You can get 6kwh systems here for USD4k or so which is for small houses, I know it’s peak power so perhaps we are just quoting spastic BS numbers and the reality is those systems are considerably lower?

[ThisisOverload]

See this is where I get a bit lost as we hear kWh numbers for home systems but then you refer to a football field size.

A guy on my street said he has a 25kwh system. It’s slightly smaller than our house and runs panels down the long side and then across the back section. Reckons it powers everything in his house but I’ll ask him after Winter finishes.

Cost was something like USD23k not 250k you mentioned so what am I missing here? Are Aussie ratings different to US?  You can get 6kwh systems here for USD4k or so which is for small houses, I know it’s peak power so perhaps we are just quoting spastic BS numbers and the reality is those systems are considerably lower?

Not all systems are equal.

Depends on what system you have and how it's setup. You can get something cheap that you have to replace every 6-8 years or a kit that will last 30+ years, which you just need to replace the panels.

What kind of battery backup? Monitoring system? Controls? Current? Inverter? Panels? They all range from cheap to expensive based on usage and life expectancy. The smart control system for my house was going to be an extra 8k.

Solar arrays are like cars, a 300hp Honda versus a 300hp Porsche is going to cost very different.

We did a 30kWh setup for a small warehouse and it was over 200k.

You need to know the full demand and how long you plan to use it.

I was just throwing something out there based on what i've seen.

The kit i have on my house was 28k installed and it works fine unless you need to run the a/c. There is not enough battery to run it for long. I typically switch the the battery wall only when i know the a/c isn't going to run, it works great in the winter.

You can get a cheap system just to offset some energy during certain times, but a full off the grid system is going to be expensive.

Most people have the kits that tie in to their current electrical setup and use it to reduce electrical draw for short periods of time.