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Mike's thoughts on "proud natty's"... ;D
Brutal, true...
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He's a proud drug addict who deals with his insecurities by taking steroids.
It's a sad statement about our society.
So many insecure men.
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"Doing half of what some Random dude does who comes into the gym and just does a bunch of bullshit in here loads up the leg press and stuff" 2:50ish mark Matt is identified
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So glad I overcame my PED obsession. I'm very fortunate to be sitting at 43 years old at 1000+ test level (yes, serious and have the paperwork to prove it) Superior Hebrew Testes Genetics. Last cycle was 8 years ago. There's so many NATURAL things you can do to increase your test and GH levels. In most cases imo TRT is an excuses for addicts to continue being addicts.
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So glad I overcame my PED obsession. I'm very fortunate to be sitting at 43 years old at 1000+ test level (yes, serious and have the paperwork to prove it) Superior Hebrew Testes Genetics. Last cycle was 8 years ago. There's so many NATURAL things you can do to increase your test and GH levels. In most cases imo TRT is an excuses for addicts to continue being addicts.
Good for you...It truly is an addiction....I've been 100% clean for 50 years.
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So glad I overcame my PED obsession. I'm very fortunate to be sitting at 43 years old at 1000+ test level (yes, serious and have the paperwork to prove it) Superior Hebrew Testes Genetics. Last cycle was 8 years ago. There's so many NATURAL things you can do to increase your test and GH levels. In most cases imo TRT is an excuses for addicts to continue being addicts.
Hey- not arguing or whatever cause I'm nat but what natural things do you mean? Always looking for ideas. Thanks!
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He's a proud drug addict who deals with his insecurities by taking steroids.
It's a sad statement about our society.
So many insecure men.
He's just fine with his personal decisions, like others should be fine w/ theirs.
Not all people who use are "drug addicts", pretty foolish blanket statement...
Just like not all drinkers are alcoholics. Some actually know how to go about certain things...
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Just remember when the shit hits the fan and you can’t get your Chinese underground test my balls will still be as big as eggs pumping out those natural hormones waiting to impregnate your women!!
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Man covered in tats even on the top of his head who makes a video about why it's fine to use illegal steroids giving us life advices.
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Just remember when the shit hits the fan and you can’t get your Chinese underground test my balls will still be as big as eggs pumping out those natural hormones waiting to impregnate your women!!
Cool. Having fun supporting more useless mouths to feed on this planet.
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He's a proud drug addict who deals with his insecurities by taking steroids.
It's a sad statement about our society.
So many insecure men.
Going off of that statement
I take it you Must Think that about all the Top Sports Men Then?
They're all Drug addicts & Insecure Then ??
🤔 An interesting perspective/ point of view I must say.
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Good for you...It truly is an addiction....I've been 100% clean for 50 years.
This is where problems arise who the fuck are you calling Dirty?
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Going off of that statement
I take it you Must Think that about all the Top Sports Men Then?
They're all Drug addicts & Insecure Then ??
🤔 An interesting perspective/ point of view I must say.
Nah, I just like to post stuff to rile people up.
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Nah, I just like to post stuff to rile people up.
Ahh okay - Only it comes across as you're the one who is Riled up about Steroid usage !!
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So glad I overcame my PED obsession. I'm very fortunate to be sitting at 43 years old at 1000+ test level (yes, serious and have the paperwork to prove it) Superior Hebrew Testes Genetics.
Holy God Milton,don`t even glance at your lady !! :D
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Ahh okay - Only it comes across as you're the one who is Riled up about Steroid usage !!
I'm really pissed!
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I like Mike Van Wyck, and I've incorporated alot of his ideas, I think he's 100 percent correct on his training views. Having said that what he fails to mention about peds is how it fucks up your body long term. Yes if you're juiced in your 30s and 40s it can be great, but when you hit your 60s and you've been been juiced for decades you're gonna look like shit, no matter what you do. (Palumboism comes to mind). Also as you age you become more concerned with your health (ie. staying alive) i believe you become more susceptible to cancer and health issues if you're juiced. You can be in incredible shape in your 60s without it so why comprise your health?
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PEDs all the way
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So is there a conclusion if it’s better to be natty or a juicer?
I’m looking for empirical evidence on this matter.
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I prefer to live long and steady life. Dying in my 40's or 50's for reasons of vanity, self-obsession or to win at a sport just isn't worth it for me. Each to their own, everyone makes their own choices and gets to live with the consequences. I'm not going to act moral highground just stating facts and my reasoning.
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So is there a conclusion if it’s better to be natty or a juicer?
I’m looking for empirical evidence on this matter.
If health is your concern the answer is obvious...stay natty...unless you have a legitimate need for TRT, which is quite rare.
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If health is your concern the answer is obvious...stay natty...unless you have a legitimate need for TRT, which is quite rare.
So drugs are bad?
Unless they help you live out longer.
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Lol @ natties never getting to experience the literal painful pumps after taking dbol or anadrol preworkout. Must suck to never be able to enjoy some of what science has to offer us in terms of enhancement.
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I'm really pissed!
Yeah, It comes across that you are .
Why ?
Just do as you wish to do & let the others do as they wish
It really shouldn't bother You. ::) ::)
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I like Mike Van Wyck, and I've incorporated alot of his ideas, I think he's 100 percent correct on his training views. Having said that what he fails to mention about peds is how it fucks up your body long term. Yes if you're juiced in your 30s and 40s it can be great, but when you hit your 60s and you've been been juiced for decades you're gonna look like shit, no matter what you do. (Palumboism comes to mind). Also as you age you become more concerned with your health (ie. staying alive) i believe you become more susceptible to cancer and health issues if you're juiced. You can be in incredible shape in your 60s without it so why comprise your health?
Hmmmm Tell me more . What is Your Age ?
I'm 62 & know others older than me & still using .
Sure an excess of most things can cause you harm - In the grand scheme
of Drugs / Medications Steroids are Fairly Low Risk - NO I didn't say they're
Without possible side effects .
Only When you consider they're Dishing them out to Baby's & Folk 100+
Men & Women , Kind of puts a certain perspective on Them.
People Smoke / Drink / do Dangerous activities etc etc Hell Driving Car's
Why do They take the Risk of Potentially compromising their health ??
Ahhh I know It's Only Steroids & Orange Man are Bad. ;D
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Hmmmm Tell me more . What is Your Age ?
I'm 62 & know others older than me & still using .
Sure an excess of most things can cause you harm - In the grand scheme
of Drugs / Medications Steroids are Fairly Low Risk - NO I didn't say they're
Without possible side effects .
Only When you consider they're Dishing them out to Baby's & Folk 100+
Men & Women , Kind of puts a certain perspective on Them.
People Smoke / Drink / do Dangerous activities etc etc Hell Driving Car's
Why do They take the Risk of Potentially compromising their health ??
Ahhh I know It's Only Steroids & Orange Man are Bad. ;D
Who really wants to live to the point where you can’t take care of yourself anyway? So many want these long lives where realistically society deems most people useless after a certain age anyway. Since we’re all slaves of the system we might as well enjoy our time here and not “play it safe” all the time. Natty hate on PED users comes across as straight up jealousy - no other reason why someone else would care about another’s personal choices so much.
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Yeah, It comes across that you are .
Why ?
Just do as you wish to do & let the others do as they wish
It really shouldn't bother You. ::) ::)
You are really taking this personally.
I am not trying to stop you using steroids, nor am I stopping you from excessive alcohol, narcotic, or amphetamine use.
By all means do as you wish.
Why are you upset when someone points out the negative aspects of steroid usage?
Would you be equally upset over someone pointing out negative effects of excessive alcohol consumption?
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Who really wants to live to the point where you can’t take care of yourself anyway? So many want these long lives where realistically society deems most people useless after a certain age anyway. Since we’re all slaves of the system we might as well enjoy our time here and not “play it safe” all the time. Natty hate on PED users comes across as straight up jealousy - no other reason why someone else would care about another’s personal choices so much.
No one wants to live their final days in physical or mental helplessness.
However, you are making an assumption that one day, because of past drug abuse, you will suddenly just drop dead instantly, without pain, lights out...boom!
This is the error in thinking of the "live like a lion till I'm 30 instead of like a lamb till 80" crowd.
The reality is those abusing these drugs probably will die younger, slowly and agonizingly over an extended period of time, likely ending hooked up to tubes in a hospital bed from complications brought on by long-term over-use/abuse of these drugs. Others may indeed go lights out at 30-50 with a massive coronary, which by the way, while fast, is not pain-free.
No different higher risk outcome than those who abuse drugs like alcohol, narcotics, etc.
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So drugs are bad?
Unless they help you live out longer.
Your question is most likely intended to entrap me in an illogical statement but I'll play along.
Most drugs have numerous potential negative side effects and are not intended for long-term usage.
For certain medical conditions, long-term drug use is prescribed because the illness is far worse.
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You are making an assumption that one day, because of past drug usage, you will suddenly just drop dead instantly, without pain, lights out...boom!
This is the error in thinking of the "live like a lion till I'm 30 instead of like a lamb till 80" crowd.
The reality is those abusing these drugs probably will die younger, slowly and agonizingly over an extended period of time, likely ending hooked up to tubes in a hospital bed from complications brought on by long-term over-use/abuse of these drugs.
No different higher risk outcome than those who abuse drugs like alcohol, narcotics, etc.
This.
For many it's not about living longer, but about having a good quality of life for as long as possible.
It's not even about PEDs or being natty, it's more about mentality it's about things like training style, food and lifestyle choices.
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
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This.
For many it's not about living longer, but about having a good quality of life for as long as possible.
It's not even about PEDs or being natty, it's more about mentality it's about things like training style, food and lifestyle choices.
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
Well said.
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You are really taking this personally.
I am not trying to stop you using steroids, nor am I stopping you from excessive alcohol, narcotic, or amphetamine use.
By all means do as you wish.
Why are you upset when someone points out the negative aspects of steroid usage?
Would you be equally upset over someone pointing out negative effects of excessive alcohol consumption?
He's a proud drug addict who deals with his insecurities by taking steroids.
It's a sad statement about our society.
So many insecure men.
You're Wrong Again - It is you who is taking it personally & having a go at others for their choices .
You & Everyone else can point out the potential negatives as well as the positives
That's Good & Fine by me.
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No one wants to live their final days in physical or mental helplessness.
However, you are making an assumption that one day, because of past drug abuse, you will suddenly just drop dead instantly, without pain, lights out...boom!
This is the error in thinking of the "live like a lion till I'm 30 instead of like a lamb till 80" crowd.
The reality is those abusing these drugs probably will die younger, slowly and agonizingly over an extended period of time, likely ending hooked up to tubes in a hospital bed from complications brought on by long-term over-use/abuse of these drugs. Others may indeed go lights out at 30-50 with a massive coronary, which by the way, while fast, is not pain-free.
No different higher risk outcome than those who abuse drugs like alcohol, narcotics, etc.
I'm finding quite difficult to take you seriously- Clearly you have an almighty hang up about certain folk using
Steroids, Yet not others that are prescribed as needing them by a doctor .
It kind of makes it sound as steroids know who to inflict vast damage to & who not.
Very Clever these steroids are. :D
I take it you neither Drink alcohol or smoke or use any Drugs unless
A Doctor Says its necessary? No Coffee, No Painkillers , No Nothing ,
See I do not have any issue with you doing that , Enjoy .
As For slow deaths, My Mother suffered that fate & My Father is now
Sadly heading in that direction - Niether of Them used Steroids of their
Own Choice.
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This.
For many it's not about living longer, but about having a good quality of life for as long as possible.
It's not even about PEDs or being natty, it's more about mentality it's about things like training style, food and lifestyle choices.
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
Ahh its about mentality Now 🙄 🥱
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
Neither can millions of other men & women regardless of if they took steroids or not !!
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Illuminati, im 65, I've been lifting since 1975. I have no problem with people on peds, but I believe that they (roids) have long term negative health effects. I honestly think as you get older you can maintain a pretty respectable build being drug free.
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Ahh its about mentality Now 🙄 🥱
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
Neither can millions of other men & women regardless of if they took steroids or not !!
Did I say any different? I even gave examples of how the issue isn't even steroids related.
It seems your roid rage is affecting your reading comprehension, so I've highlighted the key points to help you.
This.
For many it's not about living longer, but about having a good quality of life for as long as possible.
It's not even about PEDs or being natty, it's more about mentality it's about things like training style, food and lifestyle choices.
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
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Illuminati,
I don't care if you take me seriously. Most of the time on Getbig I am not serious and make nonsense posts.
But being serious for the moment note I said "over-use/abuse" of steroids.
Just like any drug, if you abuse them you can cause problems.
Now I did comment on men's insecurities as to why they use steroids.
The guy in the vid with head tats believes in the "live like a lion, die young" principle.
I think most men use them to make them feel better about themselves, which speaks to insecurity about their self-image. If they felt great about themselves why would they need to "get big"?
Why do men use illegal steroids in your opinion?
Why do you use steroids yourself?
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I'm finding quite difficult to take you seriously- Clearly you have an almighty hang up about certain folk using
Steroids, Yet not others that are prescribed as needing them by a doctor .
It kind of makes it sound as steroids know who to inflict vast damage to & who not.
Very Clever these steroids are. :D
I take it you neither Drink alcohol or smoke or use any Drugs unless
A Doctor Says its necessary? No Coffee, No Painkillers , No Nothing ,
See I do not have any issue with you doing that , Enjoy .
As For slow deaths, My Mother suffered that fate & My Father is now
Sadly heading in that direction - Niether of Them used Steroids of their
Own Choice.
TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Live and Let Live, Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Illuminati, im 65, I've been lifting since 1975. I have no problem with people on peds, but I believe that they (roids) have long term negative health effects. I honestly think as you get older you can maintain a pretty respectable build being drug free.
I respect your view & decision.
Shame the hollier than thou crowd have your attitude.
Living to an older age comes with its own negative health effects.
I'm 50/50 if steroids are a issue to health or if they are of benefit.
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Did I say any different? I even gave examples of how the issue isn't even steroids related.
It seems your roid rage is affecting your reading comprehension, so I've highlighted the key points to help you.
Seems you are The One Raging 🤬🤬🤬
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
So its not about Mentality Then, ??
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Illuminati,
I don't care if you take me seriously. Most of the time on Getbig I am not serious and make nonsense posts.
But being serious for the moment note I said "over-use/abuse" of steroids.
Just like any drug, if you abuse them you can cause problems.
Now I did comment on men's insecurities as to why they use steroids.
The guy in the vid with head tats believes in the "live like a lion, die young" principle.
I think most men use them to make them feel better about themselves, which speaks to insecurity about their self-image. If they felt great about themselves why would they need to "get big"?
Why do men use illegal steroids in your opinion?
Why do you use steroids yourself?
Why would you care if I take you seriously or not
As someone who posts on this forum you're entitled to your opinions & say what you like
That's the appeal of GetBig & By the same measure I & other can & do exactly the same 😊
Why do men use steroids? For a Whole Variety of Reasons - I'd say.
Oh & Steroid usage is Not Illegal in all countries - Not Here in UK.
It is a Class 3 Drug & I'm legally able to use them.
Why do I use steroids ? Because I chose to - I much prefer how I Feel Physically & Mentally using them as to when
I'm not.
What Drugs do you take / use ?? And Why ??
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I sign all my checks with a 3CC syringe !! LOL ;D
Hey it`s a personal choice........up to the individual.....you can argue until the cows come home.....we`ve all seen it before on here.
For or against......train hard and eat healthy.....what else can one really say without an endless argument?
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"Doing half of what some Random dude does who comes into the gym and just does a bunch of bullshit in here loads up the leg press and stuff" 2:50ish mark Matt is identified
So IFBB pro bodybuilders are taking 8mg of Anadrol daily?
You absolute stupid fuck.
I took the LOWEST dose I could possibly take and still get a result.
And that's why I got to maintain every follicle of hair, and not get any pimples. And just as I expected, I'm going back to normal now with no issues, and no PCT.
If I took an actual cycle - you would know. I wanted a boost of 15-20 temporary pounds, and that's what I got. I can always trust a low-dose oral cycle to do that.
As for Mike Van Wick, I have no reason to believe he takes a small amount of juice.
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Hey- not arguing or whatever cause I'm nat but what natural things do you mean? Always looking for ideas. Thanks!
There aren't any proven methods.
It's impossible to "naturally" increase your Test levels.
Some things can cause Test to spike "slightly" for very short amount of time.
But that isn't going to change anything.
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Your question is most likely intended to entrap me in an illogical statement but I'll play along.
Most drugs have numerous potential negative side effects and are not intended for long-term usage.
For certain medical conditions, long-term drug use is prescribed because the illness is far worse.
I’m just trolling you Nat, thanks for being a good sport. I don’t care if people use or not. There are good perspectives on both side of the issue
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So is there a conclusion if it’s better to be natty or a juicer?
I’m looking for empirical evidence on this matter.
You've come to the right place. 8)
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There aren't any proven methods.
It's impossible to "naturally" increase your Test levels.
Some things can cause Test to spike "slightly" for very short amount of time.
But that isn't going to change anything.
Andrew Huberman claims that Fadogia and Tongkat can increase ones test by 100's of ng's. I don't buy it but I think I'm gonna try it out for myself. What are your thoughts on both Huberman and his methods.
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He's a proud drug addict who deals with his insecurities by taking steroids.
It's a sad statement about our society.
So many insecure men.
My nikka
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This.
For many it's not about living longer, but about having a good quality of life for as long as possible.
It's not even about PEDs or being natty, it's more about mentality it's about things like training style, food and lifestyle choices.
Look at Ronnie, Flex Wheeler and Bhanky. None of them can even walk up a set of stairs unaided and they aren't even 60 yet. It's about a lack of foresight and often taking PEDs are just a symptom of that.
I have bad knees from snowboard and wrestling injuries as a teenager nothing to do with bodybuilding or Peds my knees were bad before I got into serious lifting
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Illuminati,
I don't care if you take me seriously. Most of the time on Getbig I am not serious and make nonsense posts.
But being serious for the moment note I said "over-use/abuse" of steroids.
Just like any drug, if you abuse them you can cause problems.
Now I did comment on men's insecurities as to why they use steroids.
The guy in the vid with head tats believes in the "live like a lion, die young" principle.
I think most men use them to make them feel better about themselves, which speaks to insecurity about their self-image. If they felt great about themselves why would they need to "get big"?
Why do men use illegal steroids in your opinion?
Why do you use steroids yourself?
I started using assistance to help heal from multiple orthopedic surgeries wanting to walk right without a cane is not an insecurity
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So IFBB pro bodybuilders are taking 8mg of Anadrol daily?
You absolute stupid fuck.
I took the LOWEST dose I could possibly take and still get a result.
And that's why I got to maintain every follicle of hair, and not get any pimples. And just as I expected, I'm going back to normal now with no issues, and no PCT.
If I took an actual cycle - you would know. I wanted a boost of 15-20 temporary pounds, and that's what I got. I can always trust a low-dose oral cycle to do that.
As for Mike Van Wick, I have no reason to believe he takes a small amount of juice.
You are missing the point
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I started using assistance to help heal from multiple orthopedic surgeries wanting to walk right without a cane is not an insecurity
You are the most insecure person on Getbig, even surpassing the lovable Mighty Matt.
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:-[
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Being natty.... IMO, being natty sucks.. There comes a point in your late 30s early 40s where your body doesn't respond much to training anymore. Then by your mid 40s you begin to lose ground. No matter how much you workout you slowly, gradually get slower, weaker, fatter. And you ask yourself 'why am I doing this?'
Hey if you truly love to workout (fortunately I do) and the lifting is the whole point that's great. Continue to do what you love doing and it will respond in kind. You'll be in great shape most likely. People will be able to notice that you're fit, for your age anyway. But most likely, relatively speaking, you'll look like shit.
With drugs there's a fine line between use and abuse. Take a guy who starts juicing in his twenties and continues throughout his 30s and 40s. Eventually he will experience the same bell curve that the natty goes through (he'll probably look better than the natty but by his own standards he'll eventually get older slower fatter too) and so where does the perennial 'gym rat' go at 45 when you're already maxxed out on gear? More gear, higher doses, different compounds? At that age it's a gamble.
The life long natty can at least start TRT in his late 40's and have a pretty good jump stsrt. Start to look better, feel better, get stronger etc...and can do that safely for the next 10 or 15 years.
Overall natty's come across as having a 'holier than thou' air to them. While (ab)users seem to delude themselves hinking t's them and not the drugs they are using.(I'll never be less than 270 lbs)
It's a cliche but worth repeating: moderation is key. I don't begrudge anyone who uses drugs. It's people who abuse them and let it consume and destroy their lives and the lives of the people around them that concerns me.
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Good post, beak.^
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Do we have facts and truth in regards to too old and too late for someone to start with TRT?
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Being natty.... IMO, being natty sucks.. There comes a point in your late 30s early 40s where your body doesn't respond much to training anymore. Then by your mid 40s you begin to lose ground. No matter how much you workout you slowly, gradually get slower, weaker, fatter. And you ask yourself 'why am I doing this?'
Hey if you truly love to workout (fortunately I do) and the lifting is the whole point that's great. Continue to do what you love doing and it will respond in kind. You'll be in great shape most likely. People will be able to notice that you're fit, for your age anyway. But most likely, relatively speaking, you'll look like shit.
With drugs there's a fine line between use and abuse. Take a guy who starts juicing in his twenties and continues throughout his 30s and 40s. Eventually he will experience the same bell curve that the natty goes through (he'll probably look better than the natty but by his own standards he'll eventually get older slower fatter too) and so where does the perennial 'gym rat' go at 45 when you're already maxxed out on gear? More gear, higher doses, different compounds? At that age it's a gamble.
The life long natty can at least start TRT in his late 40's and have a pretty good jump stsrt. Start to look better, feel better, get stronger etc...and can do that safely for the next 10 or 15 years.
Overall natty's come across as having a 'holier than thou' air to them. While (ab)users seem to delude themselves hinking t's them and not the drugs they are using.(I'll never be less than 270 lbs)
It's a cliche but worth repeating: moderation is key. I don't begrudge anyone who uses drugs. It's people who abuse them and let it consume and destroy their lives and the lives of the people around them that concerns me.
Dag! That WAS a good post and I'm a life long natty.
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Being natty.... IMO, being natty sucks.. There comes a point in your late 30s early 40s where your body doesn't respond much to training anymore. Then by your mid 40s you begin to lose ground. No matter how much you workout you slowly, gradually get slower, weaker, fatter. And you ask yourself 'why am I doing this?'
Hey if you truly love to workout (fortunately I do) and the lifting is the whole point that's great. Continue to do what you love doing and it will respond in kind. You'll be in great shape most likely. People will be able to notice that you're fit, for your age anyway. But most likely, relatively speaking, you'll look like shit.
With drugs there's a fine line between use and abuse. Take a guy who starts juicing in his twenties and continues throughout his 30s and 40s. Eventually he will experience the same bell curve that the natty goes through (he'll probably look better than the natty but by his own standards he'll eventually get older slower fatter too) and so where does the perennial 'gym rat' go at 45 when you're already maxxed out on gear? More gear, higher doses, different compounds? At that age it's a gamble.
The life long natty can at least start TRT in his late 40's and have a pretty good jump stsrt. Start to look better, feel better, get stronger etc...and can do that safely for the next 10 or 15 years.
Overall natty's come across as having a 'holier than thou' air to them. While (ab)users seem to delude themselves hinking t's them and not the drugs they are using.(I'll never be less than 270 lbs)
It's a cliche but worth repeating: moderation is key. I don't begrudge anyone who uses drugs. It's people who abuse them and let it consume and destroy their lives and the lives of the people around them that concerns me.
Nicely said!
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You can work the quads much harder with less risk to your low back with leg press as opposed to squats
Change my mind
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You can work the quads much harder with less risk to your low back with leg press as opposed to squats
Change my mind
The squat works more than just your quads
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Being natty.... IMO, being natty sucks.. There comes a point in your late 30s early 40s where your body doesn't respond much to training anymore. Then by your mid 40s you begin to lose ground. No matter how much you workout you slowly, gradually get slower, weaker, fatter. And you ask yourself 'why am I doing this?'
Eat more meat :D
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I`ve got PEDs......and I know how to use them. - ZZ Topp ;D
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Being natty.... IMO, being natty sucks.. There comes a point in your late 30s early 40s where your body doesn't respond much to training anymore. Then by your mid 40s you begin to lose ground. No matter how much you workout you slowly, gradually get slower, weaker, fatter. And you ask yourself 'why am I doing this?'
Hey if you truly love to workout (fortunately I do) and the lifting is the whole point that's great. Continue to do what you love doing and it will respond in kind. You'll be in great shape most likely. People will be able to notice that you're fit, for your age anyway. But most likely, relatively speaking, you'll look like shit.
With drugs there's a fine line between use and abuse. Take a guy who starts juicing in his twenties and continues throughout his 30s and 40s. Eventually he will experience the same bell curve that the natty goes through (he'll probably look better than the natty but by his own standards he'll eventually get older slower fatter too) and so where does the perennial 'gym rat' go at 45 when you're already maxxed out on gear? More gear, higher doses, different compounds? At that age it's a gamble.
The life long natty can at least start TRT in his late 40's and have a pretty good jump stsrt. Start to look better, feel better, get stronger etc...and can do that safely for the next 10 or 15 years.
Overall natty's come across as having a 'holier than thou' air to them. While (ab)users seem to delude themselves hinking t's them and not the drugs they are using.(I'll never be less than 270 lbs)
It's a cliche but worth repeating: moderation is key. I don't begrudge anyone who uses drugs. It's people who abuse them and let it consume and destroy their lives and the lives of the people around them that concerns me.
well that's when you're supposed to mature mentally anyways, and care more about other things than carrying musclemass.
the only valid reason would be if your job depended on it, and even then it would be stupid :D