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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: MCWAY on October 18, 2022, 08:35:55 PM
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I saw this guy, one of the competitors at the 2019 INBA Natural Mr. Olympia coverage, from the movie Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life
Unfortunately, he placed 9th which was ridiculous.
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But, he won the 2019 PNBA World Championship.
He's also a Mr. Kenya winner.
And he's Kenya's and Qatar's Strongest Man.
He called himself Mr. 3-in-1: A fitness athlete, a strongman, and a bodybuilder (Matt ought to dig this guy ;D ).
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I'm surprised there is enough food in Kenya to support a bodybuilder.
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I'm surprised there is enough food in Kenya to support a bodybuilder.
Oh, there is....at least in Nairobi (as of 2006 when I was there). ;D
Here is Oketch in 3rd to Rob Terry and some other guy at the 2018 Natural Mr. Olympia:
From 1:33:50 and onward (Oketch is in the yellow, number 416)
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You could feed a family of 6 with what Oketch eats in one day.
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:D He's about to get robbed.
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:D He's about to get robbed.
Robbed is what Oketch got at the Natural Olympia, featured in Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life.
In my view, the reason why natural bodybuilding doesn't really get over is because the bigger guys keep getting beat by much smaller guys who are super-ripped. Rob Terry's loss to Phillip Ricardo basically confirmed that for me.
Oketch should have been in the top 5, at least.
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After further review, I'd put him top 3.
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I'm surprised there is enough food in Kenya to support a bodybuilder.
This guy seems to have enough.
If he eats that much, can you imagine how much Oketch devours?
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No more chickens in Kenya.
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No more chickens in Kenya.
They may be out in Qatar, too ;D.
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dwarfing Bonac in the presentation at the end
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dwarfing Bonac in the presentation at the end
That was William Bonac? I thought he looked familiar. Oketch is listed at 6'4"; so that would make sense.
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That was William Bonac? I thought he looked familiar. Oketch is listed at 6'4"; so that would make sense.
More of Mr. "Chris 3-in-1"
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PNBA World Natural Bodybuilding Champion 2019
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/62159786_2265912416824651_7291749863149010944_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=8sxGjkMZou4AX9xHKpF&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-LkUYYxoLYnfpvsmNcDRqwzpiemwWpuFzB83td6nAAtA&oe=637CE7EA)
2021 Qatar's Strongest Man
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The last one is for our resident disgruntled Canuck, in case he's lacking motivation. ;D
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Does he get drug tested?
Doesn't look natural at all.
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Does he get drug tested?
Doesn't look natural at all.
He competes in the PNBA. As mentioned earlier, he won the PNBA World championship in 2019. He placed 9th at the INBA Natural Mr. Olympia. While binging on the Generation Iron movies, that's where I first saw him, particularly Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life.
That movie covered the 2019 INBA Mr. Olympia, where 2-time defending champion, Rob Terry, was going for the 3-peat.
Oketch calls himself, "Chris 3-in-1", because he's a bodybuilder, strongman, and fitness athlete. One of the videos I posted has him billed at 6'4" and 120 kg (265 lbs). I'm not sure if that's his bodybuilding competition weight or his strongman weight. Obviously, he looks a lot bigger, in strongman mode.
2018 Natural Mr. Olympia (Oketch is at the 1:42:50 mark).
2017 Mr. Kenya:
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He competes in the PNBA. As mentioned earlier, he won the PNBA World championship in 2019. He placed 9th at the INBA Natural Mr. Olympia. While binging on the Generation Iron movies, that's where I first saw him, particularly Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life.
That movie covered the 2019 INBA Mr. Olympia, where 2-time defending champion, Rob Terry, was going for the 3-peat.
Oketch calls himself, "Chris 3-in-1", because he's a bodybuilder, strongman, and fitness athlete. One of the videos I posted has him billed at 6'4" and 120 kg (265 lbs). I'm not sure if that's his bodybuilding competition weight or his strongman weight. Obviously, he looks a lot bigger, in strongman mode.
He looks great and is strong as hell.
I was just curious if these are tested events.
I don't know anything about PNBA on INBA.
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He looks great and is strong as hell.
I was just curious if these are tested events.
I don't know anything about PNBA on INBA.
They are. This is the organization with the "Wall of Shame". Anyone who gets popped on a drug test gets DQed and barred for life.
The record for this organization's Natural Mr. Olympia wins is six, held by Kiyoshi Moody.
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They are. This is the organization with the "Wall of Shame". Anyone who gets popped on a drug test gets DQed and barred for life.
The record for this organization's Natural Mr. Olympia wins is six, held by Kiyoshi Moody.
Makes sense, i was just curious.
He looks great.
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Makes sense, i was just curious.
He looks great.
Indeed. And that's what frustrates me about natural bodybuilding contests. Did you happen to see Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life?
The big men get beat by ultra-ripped smurfs. And it's not as if they aren't in shape. Rob Terry losing to Phil Ricardo was a travesty.
Guys like Terry and Oketch needs to get more promotion, if you want natural bodybuilding to get any traction. Anabolics or no anabolics, bodybuilding is about size.
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Indeed. And that's what frustrates me about natural bodybuilding contests. Did you happen to see Generation Iron: Natty 4 Life?
The big men get beat by ultra-ripped smurfs. And it's not as if they aren't in shape. Rob Terry losing to Phil Ricardo was a travesty.
Guys like Terry and Oketch needs to get more promotion, if you want natural bodybuilding to get any traction. Anabolics or no anabolics, bodybuilding is about size.
Haven't seen it but watched the trailer.
The fact that Mike O'hearn is showcased boils my blood a little.
Can't find a free link and i'm not paying for it.
If you know of a free download i'll gladly watch it.
I agree that size is everything.
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Haven't seen it but watched the trailer.
The fact that Mike O'hearn is showcased boils my blood a little.
Can't find a free link and i'm not paying for it.
If you know of a free download i'll gladly watch it.
I agree that size is everything.
Here's a free link (I think it's a Japanese site).
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BK4y177cY/
Kai Greene is also in the film. He says he was seduced by anabolics, only after he had already won the Natural Mr. Universe (I first heard of him in All-Natural MD, which stated he won the 1995 WNBF Mr. Universe).
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Here's a free link (I think it's a Japanese site).
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BK4y177cY/
Kai Greene is also in the film. He says he was seduced by anabolics, only after he had already won the Natural Mr. Universe (I first heard of him in All-Natural MD, which stated he won the 1995 WNBF Mr. Universe).
Thanks!
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Thanks!
You're welcome.
I think Oketch got ROBBED by not even being in the top 5 at that show. Granted, he does appear lanky in certain shots, compared to his peers, due to his height. But, he was still big and in shape.
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Thanks!
Did you check out the movie yet?
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Did you check out the movie yet?
Is a fruit involved?
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Lol....Worlds biggest liar...
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Did you check out the movie yet?
Yes, i felt it was a decent watch.
I have a hard time believing these guys are truly natural. But i do believe they don't take a lot of AAS or perhaps are using something else.
Seeing guys in their late 40's that size is a bit crazy.
And Mike O'Hearn is the biggest liar in the industry.
I do believe some people are genetic freaks, but i'm curious how the testing works for GH, IGF, Slin and other peptides.
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Yes, i felt it was a decent watch.
I have a hard time believing these guys are truly natural. But i do believe they don't take a lot of AAS or perhaps are using something else.
Seeing guys in their late 40's that size is a bit crazy.
And Mike O'Hearn is the biggest liar in the industry.
I do believe some people are genetic freaks, but i'm curious how the testing works for GH, IGF, Slin and other peptides.
INBA/PNBA says they use WADA standards. So, if you're familiar with how they test, you're in good shape.
One of the top 5 in the men's open got popped (the white guy with braids in his hair) and is in the "Hall of Shame". According to the film, he was the only one.
As for age, I believe both Terry and Oketch are in the mid/late 30s (38 and 33, respectively, as of the filming of Natty 4 Life). The guy who won the Natural Olympia (Phil Ricardo) was 48.
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INBA/PNBA says they use WADA standards. So, if you're familiar with how they test, you're in good shape.
One of the top 5 in the men's open got popped (the white guy with braids in his hair) and is in the "Hall of Shame". According to the film, he was the only one.
As for age, I believe both Terry and Oketch are in the mid/late 30s (38 and 33, respectively, as of the filming of Natty 4 Life). The guy who won the Natural Olympia (Phil Ricardo) was 48.
Yeah, I'm familiar with WADA, just not sure exactly how the tests are measured as far as IGF and other factors. I glanced at the website and it's a little vague. I don't think these guys are using traditional AAS like Test/EQ/Tren; but knowing what i do about more exotic compounds, it makes me curious.
I'm just curious what these guys are able to get away with.
I believe some of them are natural, but others not at all.
Terry was juiced to the tits when he wrestled, but he looks much different in this video.
Also, there are Therapeutic Exemptions, which makes me curious too.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what i think. ;D
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Yeah, I'm familiar with WADA, just not sure exactly how the tests are measured as far as IGF and other factors. I glanced at the website and it's a little vague. I don't think these guys are using traditional AAS like Test/EQ/Tren; but knowing what i do about more exotic compounds, it makes me curious.
I'm just curious what these guys are able to get away with.
I believe some of them are natural, but others not at all.
Well, since one got popped, that is unfortunately true.
I take it your skepticism circles more around the two big men, Terry and Oketch.
Terry was juiced to the tits when he wrestled, but he looks much different in this video.
Also, there are Therapeutic Exemptions, which makes me curious too.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what i think. ;D
INBA/PNBA doesn't require lifetime natty status. I don't know if there is an organization that does. The WNBF requires 10 years drug-free (it used to be 7).
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How can you prove a person hasn't used in 7 or 10 years?
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How can you prove a person hasn't used in 7 or 10 years?
If what I read on INBA's site is correct, you would need two sworn affidavits from character references, to start.
In addition to that, my guess is you'd have to test them extensively, particularly urine and blood tests.
Yeah, I'm familiar with WADA, just not sure exactly how the tests are measured as far as IGF and other factors. I glanced at the website and it's a little vague. I don't think these guys are using traditional AAS like Test/EQ/Tren; but knowing what i do about more exotic compounds, it makes me curious.
That doesn't seem financially feasible. Did you see the prize money? It's $5,000 and a goofy-looking car or motorcycle for the winner.
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Well, since one got popped, that is unfortunately true.
I take it your skepticism circles more around the two big men, Terry and Oketch.
INBA/PNBA doesn't require lifetime natty status. I don't know if there is an organization that does. The WNBF requires 10 years drug-free (it used to be 7).
I'm skeptical on the winner too, at his age being in that shape is nearly impossible for a "natty".
I know the detection times of GH, IGF, SARMS and other peptides; that's what i believe these guys are using. They all have that crazy thick skin on their faces that you get from using a lot of GH for extended periods.
The smaller guy Adrian? He looks along the lines of what i think is obtainable as a natural.
The organizations are doing the right thing, i have no beef with that.
But the film being call Natty 4 Life is pretty stupid, considering they are using Mike O'Hearn as a spokesman.
Just my opinion. I think it was a good show and worth watching.
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That doesn't seem financially feasible. Did you see the prize money? It's $5,000 and a goofy-looking car or motorcycle for the winner.
It's not for money.
That prize money barely covers travel expenses.
It's for the attention and pride.
Same reason why people like me used to compete. I competed in BBing a little and powerlifting for 7 years. Never made a dime and traveled all over the US.
For glory and honor. ;D
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I'm skeptical on the winner too, at his age being in that shape is nearly impossible for a "natty".
Perhaps. But, he did win the Natural Olympia just a few years earlier and had only been retired for a short time. It's not as if he just started hitting the iron. Ricardo mentioned that he did compete against many of these entrants of that show, with the exception of Rob Terry (and perhaps Oketch).
I know the detection times of GH, IGF, SARMS and other peptides; that's what i believe these guys are using. They all have that crazy thick skin on their faces that you get from using a lot of GH for extended periods.
The smaller guy Adrian? He looks along the lines of what i think is obtainable as a natural.
But, he's short. Terry and Oketch are 6'4". And given that Oketch is a strongman/powerlifter, it's plausible he's natural as he's trains for strength primarily. I came up under the school that the only way natties get BIG is if they get STRONG.
The organizations are doing the right thing, i have no beef with that.
But the film being call Natty 4 Life is pretty stupid, considering they are using Mike O'Hearn as a spokesman.
Just my opinion. I think it was a good show and worth watching.
Indeed. With regards to the SARMS, GH, and peptides, I'm under the impression that those items are far more costly than plain ol' roids. Given these guys make peanuts (most have regular jobs; Rob Terry is a firefighter) and have no endorsements (as the golden years of supplement companies a-plenty have gone away), how on earth can they afford that stuff?
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It's not for money.
That prize money barely covers travel expenses.
It's for the attention and pride.
Same reason why people like me used to compete. I competed in BBing a little and powerlifting for 7 years. Never made a dime and traveled all over the US.
For glory and honor. ;D
I'd agree with half of that, honor. But, where's the glory? Remember when I posted the 1996 ABA Natural Mr. Universe (won by John Hansen) that was held in a hotel conference room.
The Natural Mr. Olympia was held in a similar venue, albeit with a bit more panache. And this particular (INBA/PNBA) organization actually wants to literally shame people by posting them on social media, if they get popped on a drug test (unless they're a junior novice competitor under 21).
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Perhaps. But, he did win the Natural Olympia just a few years earlier and had only been retired for a short time. It's not as if he just started hitting the iron. Ricardo mentioned that he did compete against many of these entrants of that show, with the exception of Rob Terry (and perhaps Oketch).
I know the detection times of GH, IGF, SARMS and other peptides; that's what i believe these guys are using. They all have that crazy thick skin on their faces that you get from using a lot of GH for extended periods.
The smaller guy Adrian? He looks along the lines of what i think is obtainable as a natural.
But, he's short. Terry and Oketch are 6'4". And given that Oketch is a strongman/powerlifter, it's plausible he's natural as he's trains for strength primarily. I came up under the school that the only way natties get BIG is if they get STRONG.
Indeed. With regards to the SARMS, GH, and peptides, I'm under the impression that those items are far more costly than plain ol' roids. Given these guys make peanuts (most have regular jobs; Rob Terry is a firefighter) and have no endorsements (as the golden years of supplement companies a-plenty have gone away), how on earth can they afford that stuff?
They afford those drugs the same way they afford ridiculous amounts of food and travel expenses. People will spend money on things they care about. When i was using insane amounts of AAS, i was spending around $300 a month. GH is the only thing that is expensive, the other items are dirt cheap.
Being 48 with that level of muscularity is unheard of, i'm curious if he has an exemption?
I'm just stating my opinion and i've been personally involved with this stuff for 20 years.
The only person who knows the truth are the people standing on stage.
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But, where's the glory?
Like the fancy stars people have on here and other boards, indicating they are somehow better off than others.
The stories people tell about back in the day. sorry wes
How all of us try to convince others we know more because of what we have accomplished.
And the reason i still have all of my trophies from when i competed. ;D
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They afford those drugs the same way they afford ridiculous amounts of food and travel expenses. People will spend money on things they care about. When i was using insane amounts of AAS, i was spending around $300 a month. GH is the only thing that is expensive, the other items are dirt cheap.
Being 48 with that level of muscularity is unheard of, i'm curious if he has an exemption?
I'm just stating my opinion and i've been personally involved with this stuff for 20 years.
The only person who knows the truth are the people standing on stage.
There's an old guy at my gym, who is ripped to the bone. But, he's 150 max.
Obviously, that guy isn't Ricardo's size. But, I've met some ripped seniors, including my wife's uncle from England (who is an amateur lightweight bodybuilder).
I don't think food is that expensive, if you have a decent job. Terry is a firefighter and (as you know) was a pro wrestler. I don't know what Oketch does for a regular job. Feeding those two dudes must be a chore, especially Oketch.
Terry seems to stay fairly close to contest shape in the off-season; while Oketch looks much BIGGER when he's powerlifting/doing strongman stuff.
And isn't that one of the big knocks on natty bodybuilders? They're nice and swole in the off-season; but they diet down and look like crackheads.
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Like the fancy stars people have on here and other boards, indicating they are somehow better off than others.
The stories people tell about back in the day. sorry wes
How all of us try to convince others we know more because of what we have accomplished.
And the reason i still have all of my trophies from when i competed. ;D
Bragging rights on GetBig........no risk-it, no biscuit!!!
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Bump for Matt!!
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Bump #2 for Matt
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Bump #2 for Matt
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I doubt Matt like him as he’s a darkie
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I doubt Matt like him as he’s a darkie
Say it ain't so!
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Oh, there is....at least in Nairobi (as of 2006 when I was there). ;D
Here is Oketch in 3rd to Rob Terry and some other guy at the 2018 Natural Mr. Olympia:
From 1:33:50 and onward (Oketch is in the yellow, number 416)
Bodybuilders from the 1930s and 40s blow those guys away.
Clancy Ross
(https://external-preview.redd.it/sSdkp2_hheWIX4UE50oq4FyN0lIqnEYkf3LC3yGp7oU.jpg?width=214&auto=webp&s=ee67dc32151a704eb438637a80f1ad1088196336)
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Bodybuilders from the 1930s and 40s blow those guys away.
Clancy Ross
(https://external-preview.redd.it/sSdkp2_hheWIX4UE50oq4FyN0lIqnEYkf3LC3yGp7oU.jpg?width=214&auto=webp&s=ee67dc32151a704eb438637a80f1ad1088196336)
Not really! Notice Ross isn't super ripped. If Oketch and Terry were able to compete at Ross' bodyfat, they'd look like MONSTERS and make Ross look like a smurf.
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Not really! Notice Ross isn't super ripped. If Oketch and Terry were able to compete at Ross' bodyfat, they'd look like MONSTERS and make Ross look like a smurf.
No.
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No.
Yes.
Oketch is 6'4"; so is Terry. Ross was 5'10".
Ross was 210 max (and that's by 60s standards). Oketch and Terry, at the body fat level of Ross, would be FAR larger.
Check how much bigger Oketch looks when he's doing strongman.
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His placings were a bit Oketchy
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His placings were a bit Oketchy
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They definitely were at the 2019 Natural Mr. O.
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His placings were a bit Oketchy
Except here!
2018 Qatar's Strongest Man:
(https://images.alkassdigital.net/uploads/newsimages/original/1544345518.jpg)
2019 PNBA Natural World Bodybuilding Champion:
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Bodybuilders from the 1930s and 40s blow those guys away.
Clancy Ross
(https://external-preview.redd.it/sSdkp2_hheWIX4UE50oq4FyN0lIqnEYkf3LC3yGp7oU.jpg?width=214&auto=webp&s=ee67dc32151a704eb438637a80f1ad1088196336)
Clancy Ross blow THIS away?
(https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/292439413_634083908075568_4923152379885789357_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=09cbfe&_nc_ohc=vgn6m-5jyYUAX-8fUj4&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpa1-2.fna&oh=00_AfA2mW0WkqcOOGmswx2KzepGPLg5JPLJkATetUNxMBbZtg&oe=639689EF)
I beg to differ.
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I doubt Matt like him as he’s a darkie
If I didn't know any better, I'd say you may be right.
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Slight correction:
Oketch won the Mr. Kenya Heavyweight title. He placed 2nd overall (questionable call to me).
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The "Conan Wheel"? Has anyone heard of this before in a Strongman competition?
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He's at it again:
2023 Qatar's Strongest Man:
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He's also a Mr. Kenya winner.
Was he one of those kids Sally Struthers fed paste to?
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Was he one of those kids Sally Struthers fed paste to?
Judging from his physique, I'd say not.
2017 Kenya Heavyweight Champion
Here's a clip after he won the 2021 Qatar's Strongest Man title.
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He's at it again:
2023 Qatar's Strongest Man:
Having them jump over a bouncing barbell during the deadlift event was pretty stupid.
He's definitely strong as hell.
But still not natural. ;D
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Judging from his physique, I'd say not.
2017 Kenya Heavyweight Champion
I'm talking about in 1995. ;D
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Having them jump over a bouncing barbell during the deadlift event was pretty stupid.
He's definitely strong as hell.
But still not natural. ;D
I'm not sure if that was a requirement or if the guys just do that to save time, although tripping over the bar and busting your head open might not be worth an extra half-second off.