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I have fibromyalgia, and I'm on 300mgs of test enanthate weekly...or at least I will be soon as I have a ton of other medical issues and have a CAT scan, and a MRI this month which I want the results from b4 I start up again.
I can't take any of the 4 meds that are available for fibromyalgia for other medical reasons, and the fucking prices are insane, the rheumatologist told me told me to take a ton of B's and D vitamins as I tested really low.
So, I got my normal Dr. to prescribe me injectable b-12 with the thinking that I could micro does the enanthate (.75 cc's 2x per week with a 25 gauge 5/8 syringe), and add in like 1/3-1/2 of a cc of the B-12 (it's 1000mgs per 1cc vial) which is water based to make it easier to go through such a small syringe. The Dr. said he would tell his nurses not to do it.
Basically, I hate having to drive 20 minutes, wait for the nurse, and re-explain every time I get a new one why I get my shots in my delts vs. glutes....and explain where exactly to put it.
Is it safe to mix a water and an oil based medication together as I'm describing it? Any experience doing such a thing? The other issue I have is he wants me to do the full 1000mgs of B12 once a month which as a water based vitamin means my levels would be all over the place every month.
Thanks for any advices/experiences in advance.
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oil and water is fine to mix
the b12 is 1000 micrograms not milligrams
My wife has b12 shots
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No don't mix the two.
I would do the B12 weekly. Period.
5/8" is a very short needle for an IM injection, and 25ga will be fine for the B12 but a hard push for the oil. I would use a 1" 25ga for the B12 and a 1 or 2" 21ga for the T.
And the final issue is delts only. You will be putting 3 shots a week in two relatively small muscles. You will likely develop knots under the skin within 6 months, I would rotate and use other muscles. If you cannot use your glutes (this is your best target) you can try lats (unless you have ILS) or thigh. Thighs are quite vascular so do aspirate before the push there. If you put that oil in a vein you will know it within a minute and it will be unpleasant and difficult to breathe.
But rotate in glutes if you can... even high up and on the side of the glute works great.
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First of all fibromyalgia is not a real disease. It can not be diagnosen and thus people lie about it. It's s "disease" only seen in the Western part of the world where people can collect disability.
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oil and water is fine to mix
the b12 is 1000 micrograms not milligrams
My wife has b12 shots
You're correct on the b12.....I fucked that up. My bad. Thanks for the response
Since you're wife takes it, am I correct that it can be taken intra muscular? They tell you to take it sub-q
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You're correct on the b12.....I fucked that up. My bad. Thanks for the response
Since you're wife takes it, am I correct that it can be taken intra muscular? They tell you to take it sub-q
I just do it for her intramuscular with a slin pin
a mil of liquid sub q can be painful and leave a lump until it dissipates
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First of all fibromyalgia is not a real disease. It can not be diagnosen and thus people lie about it. It's s "disease" only seen in the Western part of the world where people can collect disability.
This, I always laugh when people say they have this. They either have nothing or have something the dr can’t diagnose so the dr says fibromyalgia.
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No don't mix the two.
I would do the B12 weekly. Period.
5/8" is a very short needle for an IM injection, and 25ga will be fine for the B12 but a hard push for the oil. I would use a 1" 25ga for the B12 and a 1 or 2" 21ga for the T.
And the final issue is delts only. You will be putting 3 shots a week in two relatively small muscles. You will likely develop knots under the skin within 6 months, I would rotate and use other muscles. If you cannot use your glutes (this is your best target) you can try lats (unless you have ILS) or thigh. Thighs are quite vascular so do aspirate before the push there. If you put that oil in a vein you will know it within a minute and it will be unpleasant and difficult to breathe.
But rotate in glutes if you can... even high up and on the side of the glute works great.
I have the nurses do 1" 23 gauge in my delts once a week. I don't take glute shots as I have too much scar tissue from my youth, and it fucking hurts. 5/8 inch should be fine getting into side delts. I know nothing about shooting into lats (heard about it), so I would never do it. I also would never shoot quads for the reasons you described. I had friends that tried it back in the day. Only one person never fucked up or had any issues happen...........and that's bcuz his wife was a nurse.
Thanks for the response. I agree about weekly vs. monthly on the B12, but can you give me your reasons for not mixing a water and oil combo?
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First of all fibromyalgia is not a real disease. It can not be diagnosen and thus people lie about it. It's s "disease" only seen in the Western part of the world where people can collect disability.
I didn't lie about shit. I was referred to a rheumatologist by gp Dr., and that is what the diagnosis was after telling her my symptoms, her poking, bending me all around, prodding me, and then 2 blood draws. Trust me it is very real....they just don't know what causes it.
There's not much left for the Pharma companies to make new drugs for. The two hot ones now are for IBS/Crones/UC, and for people with AIDS. Covid was a God send to them, as their patents had expired for Viagra and Cialis. They wouldn't have made money at all the last couple years, and that's why they are pushing boosters and to essentially turn it into a yearly flu shot plus a booster or two. And it doesn't even fucking work. We have a news station here that puts the weekly updates on their site. Over the last 3 weeks 13 people died.....2 were not vaccinated.
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This, I always laugh when people say they have this. They either have nothing or have something the dr can’t diagnose so the dr says fibromyalgia.
Hanky used to have fibromyalgia but fixed it with his cocoon. Now he just has "chronic fatigue syndrome."
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I just do it for her intramuscular with a slin pin
a mil of liquid sub q can be painful and leave a lump until it dissipates
Good to know. Thanks bro!
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Joswifts probably collects from that BS to. Like Jason Blaha
Lazy fucks. Some beta shit not being able to provide for yourself
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This, I always laugh when people say they have this. They either have nothing or have something the dr can’t diagnose so the dr says fibromyalgia.
I like you Rob, so I laughing say fuck you. Life is hell, and the constant pain and fatigue are too. I definitely have something. You might be right about the Dr. part, but I did see and get the diagnosis from a specialist...not my normal Dr. who is a fucking dipshit that I have to explain things to about TRT, because he doesn't understand it and he is afraid he might lose his license if he fucks things up....he flat out told me the last part :-[
I'd go to a TRT clinic, as we have more and more every year. However, none of them take my insurance, and they want you to use their shitty compounded meds. I get a 90 day supply from my mail pharmacy insurance plan for $141 (4 Five ML bottles of Enanthate). That would cost me around $500 bucks through the TRT clinic, and they want $279 for a Dr. visit. Fuck that! I get real pharma grade manufactured shit, and I only pay a $5 co-pay to see the Dr. and to get my weekly shots. He knows nothing about this shit, and we argue about it often, but it is worth it for both cost and safety reasons
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Joswifts probably collects from that BS to. Like Jason Blaha
Lazy fucks. Some beta shit not being able to provide for yourself
Unlike Joswift, I don't like you...so just go flat out fuck yourself. The fibro is not my main diagnosis which I won't get into, but have posted about it several times. I'm not lazy at all. You don't know anything about me other than the fibro, and make 2 stupid fuckin comments about something you know nothing about that are equivalent to telling a person in a wheelchair they don't need a ramp/elevator to go up a flight(s) of stairs. Dickhead.
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I didn't lie about shit. I was referred to a rheumatologist by gp Dr., and that is what the diagnosis was after telling her my symptoms, her poking, bending me all around, prodding me, and then 2 blood draws. Trust me it is very real....they just don't know what causes it.
There's not much left for the Pharma companies to make new drugs for. The two hot ones now are for IBS/Crones/UC, and for people with AIDS. Covid was a God send to them, as their patents had expired for Viagra and Cialis. They wouldn't have made money at all the last couple years, and that's why they are pushing boosters and to essentially turn it into a yearly flu shot plus a booster or two. And it doesn't even fucking work. We have a news station here that puts the weekly updates on their site. Over the last 3 weeks 13 people died.....2 were not vaccinated.
B12 deficiency has some of the same symptoms as a fibromyalgia diagnosis.
Anyway just taking B12 injections on its own is just the start. You need to take lots magnesium (ideally glycinate) folic acid and the rest of the b vitamins to activate the b12. Also lots of potassium as b12 injections leach potassium.
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Welcome back myt1 my OOOOLD buddy !! :)
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You can drink the b12 without much loss in potency. I sag some 10mg (!) methylcobalamin tablets! I would nevet suggest using them but you don't probably need injections, it's mostly psychological.
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Joswifts probably collects from that BS to. Like Jason Blaha
Lazy fucks. Some beta shit not being able to provide for yourself
what the fuck does that mean?
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This, I always laugh when people say they have this. They either have nothing or have something the dr can’t diagnose so the dr says fibromyalgia.
"Fibromyalgia is a disorder characterized by widespread musculoskeletal pain accompanied by fatigue, sleep, memory and mood issues"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fibromyalgia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354780
Sounds like a disease for the smaller guys around here.
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B12 deficiency has some of the same symptoms as a fibromyalgia diagnosis.
Anyway just taking B12 injections on its own is just the start. You need to take lots magnesium (ideally glycinate) folic acid and the rest of the b vitamins to activate the b12. Also lots of potassium as b12 injections leach potassium.
Like I said she did two blood draws. One for the normal shit, and the other for vitamin defianc!es. I came up insanely low on either Biotin or Folic acid, and even worse on vitamin D, which was all shocking to me as I take B Complex twice a day, and 5000 IU's of D3 2x/day. She prescribed me 50,000 I.U.'s of D..."I was like, is that even safe?", and also 3 mgs of I think it was the folic acid to Walmart's pharmacy. The pharmacy called me and said "we don't have any distributer that does that high of a dose. The only thing we can do is call your Dr. to switch the script to a pre-natal multi that has 2mgs in it" So we did that.....it changed nothing symptom wise, but my levels were back in the normal to high range with the next bloodwork.
Edit: Dude, I just scrolled by your post again and noticed your avatar. Took me a second to get it, but that is hilarious!
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You can drink the b12 without much loss in potency. I sag some 10mg (!) methylcobalamin tablets! I would nevet suggest using them but you don't probably need injections, it's mostly psychological.
Van Bilderass, Question regarding Formebolone aka Esiclene.
I'm ignorant on the subject in general :D but my understanding is that Esiclene had been used for decades to swell up lagging bodyparts and was injected close to the day of the contest, or something along those lines. The effects were apparently short lived. I understand it's not made anymore?
My question is what do the effects of Esiclene look like?
Is the look of a bodypart injected with Esiclene easily discerned?
Are there any photos of bodybuilder's arms or calves where someone can say 'yes, that was definitely Esiclene'? Or is visual detection contextual, based on sudden improvement?
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Take the B12 weekly, do not mix with the test. And in regards to fibromyalgia, get on a strict carnivore diet immediately, beef, butter, eggs, only...do this and I guarantee you'll be healed within a month, 2 months tops. Thousands healed fibromyalgia with a strict carnivore diet.
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Welcome back myt1 my OOOOLD buddy !! :)
Thank homie! 8)
Things got/are way to toxic on this site, and I was falling into it and stopped posting. Hoping however, now the elections are over (even though they still don't have the results) and China flu isn't much of a thing anymore that things will chill out. You calling me old is hysterical. I still have 1 year and 3 months to hit 50, You hit that mark 50 years ago, you old fart! ;D
Do you know anything about my original question? You've been in the game, and a lot of gear heads in your days. Did you or any of them mix water based with oil based stuff to shoot.
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You can drink the b12 without much loss in potency. I sag some 10mg (!) methylcobalamin tablets! I would nevet suggest using them but you don't probably need injections, it's mostly psychological.
I never thought of that. Good idea on it's own, but I mainly want to do this to micro dose the Test 2x a week. I draw the test with a 18 gauge, and then we shoot with a 1" 23 gauge. I go to the dr. office to get the shots. The nurses complain how hard it is to inject through the 23 gauge every time, and like I said in another post my Dr. is a dipshit about TRT.
I am short, broad in the shoulders, and have short arms so being able to shoot a 1" needle and inject it when loaded is probably not going to work for me if it is supposedly so hard to push through a 23 gauge. I figured by diluting it and using a shorter needle mainly, it would be easier to do myself, keep me from having to drive there 2x a week, and lessen any scar tissue building in my delts with a smaller gauge needle
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Take the B12 weekly, do not mix with the test. And in regards to fibromyalgia, get on a strict carnivore diet immediately, beef, butter, eggs, only...do this and I guarantee you'll be healed within a month, 2 months tops. Thousands healed fibromyalgia with a strict carnivore diet.
I've actually been watching some youtube vids about this trying to learn a bit. Jordan Peterson's daughter had severe muscle/nerve pain and swears by it. I just don't think I could never have brown rice, pasta, or bread ever again.......and especially ketchup.....pretty sure I would die without it. :D
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"Fibromyalgia is a disorder characterized by widespread musculoskeletal pain accompanied by fatigue, sleep, memory and mood issues"
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fibromyalgia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354780
Sounds like a disease for the smaller guys around here.
We'll I am Lee Priest's height so I can't dispute the smaller thing if we're going by height. LOL!
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what the fuck does that mean?
Pretty sure he's referring to being on SSDI
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Van Bilderass, Question regarding Formebolone aka Esiclene.
I'm ignorant on the subject in general :D but my understanding is that Esiclene had been used for decades to swell up lagging bodyparts and was injected close to the day of the contest, or something along those lines. The effects were apparently short lived. I understand it's not made anymore?
My question is what do the effects of Esiclene look like?
Is the look of a bodypart injected with Esiclene easily discerned?
Are there any photos of bodybuilder's arms or calves where someone can say 'yes, that was definitely Esiclene'? Or is visual detection contextual, based on sudden improvement?
They don't look like anything unusual, no it's not easily discerned, an noone could ever say "yes, that was definitely Esciline" when used properly unlike synthol which builds up and doesn't get absorbed much if at all. Flex and Levrone have both fessed up to being big time users. Arguably 2 of the top 5 physiques in history. No on ever accused them of synthol. Flex got accused by Shawn Ray of having calf implants, but that just because Shawn is a bitch and a sore loser, not to mention someone whose character let's his mom go to jail for his drug trafficking.
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I have fibromyalgia, and I'm on 300mgs of test enanthate weekly...or at least I will be soon as I have a ton of other medical issues and have a CAT scan, and a MRI this month which I want the results from b4 I start up again.
I can't take any of the 4 meds that are available for fibromyalgia for other medical reasons, and the fucking prices are insane, the rheumatologist told me told me to take a ton of B's and D vitamins as I tested really low.
So, I got my normal Dr. to prescribe me injectable b-12 with the thinking that I could micro does the enanthate (.75 cc's 2x per week with a 25 gauge 5/8 syringe), and add in like 1/3-1/2 of a cc of the B-12 (it's 1000mgs per 1cc vial) which is water based to make it easier to go through such a small syringe. The Dr. said he would tell his nurses not to do it.
Basically, I hate having to drive 20 minutes, wait for the nurse, and re-explain every time I get a new one why I get my shots in my delts vs. glutes....and explain where exactly to put it.
Is it safe to mix a water and an oil based medication together as I'm describing it? Any experience doing such a thing? The other issue I have is he wants me to do the full 1000mgs of B12 once a month which as a water based vitamin means my levels would be all over the place every month.
Thanks for any advices/experiences in advance.
Do a meat only diet for a month and see if your symptoms subside.
Just meat and water. Nothing else.
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They don't look like anything unusual, no it's not easily discerned, an noone could ever say "yes, that was definitely Esciline" when used properly unlike synthol which builds up and doesn't get absorbed much if at all. Flex and Levrone have both fessed up to being big time users. Arguably 2 of the top 5 physiques in history. No on ever accused them of synthol. Flex got accused by Shawn Ray of having calf implants, but that just because Shawn is a bitch and a sore loser, not to mention someone whose character let's his mom go to jail for his drug trafficking.
Thanks, Myt1. It's been around as a drug since at least the mid 70s(edit: just read it was introduced in 1969) but it's unclear(to me :D) when exactly bodybuilders first started using it for site injections, as opposed to when it "caught on" among bodybuilders for that purpose.
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I've actually been watching some youtube vids about this trying to learn a bit. Jordan Peterson's daughter had severe muscle/nerve pain and swears by it. I just don't think I could never have brown rice, pasta, or bread ever again.......and especially ketchup.....pretty sure I would die without it. :D
Dude, you'd rather be in pain? Spending time and money going to doctor after doctor getting tests done, sacrificing the quality of your life, just because you like the taste of carbs? Look up Revero health, Dr. Shawn Bakers site, tons of success stories, like I said thousands healed fibromyalgia and various other autoimmune diseases with this.
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Dude, you'd rather be in pain? Spending time and money going to doctor after doctor getting tests done, sacrificing the quality of your life, just because you like the taste of carbs? Look up Revero health, Dr. Shawn Bakers site, tons of success stories, like I said thousands healed fibromyalgia and various other autoimmune diseases with this.
I think even Bart Kay who is a huge carnivore diet proponent resolved his FB issues
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Pretty sure he's referring to being on SSDI
I work for a living, have done since I was 15 years old
Apart from a few months unemployment benefit in the 80s I have never claimed anything from the state.
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BTW my cousin is diagnosed with FB. She’s hunched over like a 90 year old woman and takes pain meds. Sadly she’s brainwashed and doesn’t have faith in anything but what the doctors suggest. Yet she’s gotten worse over the years. Stupid woman can’t even try a diet approach. I tried to convince her once to try the carnivore diet but she never has. Don’t care anymore.
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Dude, you'd rather be in pain? Spending time and money going to doctor after doctor getting tests done, sacrificing the quality of your life, just because you like the taste of carbs? Look up Revero health, Dr. Shawn Bakers site, tons of success stories, like I said thousands healed fibromyalgia and various other autoimmune diseases with this.
Michala Peterson
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Even assuming fibromyalgia is real (I don’t believe it is) why would you be taking 300mg test? Aren’t you in too much pain to workout and reap the benefits of the added test?
Mixing oil and water is a recipe for an abscess. You’ll be in real pain then.
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Have you tried GoodRX website? That place is a godsend for people whose insurance won't pay or even just for getting stuff way cheaper than what their insurance copay would be. I would start there just to see.
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Have you tried GoodRX website? That place is a godsend for people whose insurance won't pay or even just for getting stuff way cheaper than what their insurance copay would be. I would start there just to see.
Yeah my buddy has good rx good for 10.00 a month I believe and his scripts are cheaper than mine with no insurance.
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I cant believe no one has mentioned this but I would humbly suggest stopping steroids and any other pharmaceuticals except those your doctor deems necessary, eat healthy, and train in moderation. It sounds like it's time to prioritize health over muscle.
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They don't look like anything unusual, no it's not easily discerned, an noone could ever say "yes, that was definitely Esciline" when used properly unlike synthol which builds up and doesn't get absorbed much if at all. Flex and Levrone have both fessed up to being big time users. Arguably 2 of the top 5 physiques in history. No on ever accused them of synthol. Flex got accused by Shawn Ray of having calf implants, but that just because Shawn is a bitch and a sore loser, not to mention someone whose character let's his mom go to jail for his drug trafficking.
Are you kidding Flex was putting shit in his arms that is why he tried to hide the deformity it caused with those shitty tattoos that is also probably what caused his clotting issues loss of a leg and half his arm. After 40 his arms got weirder and weirder looking that is what happened to all those guys the synthnol mishaped them and caused them to retire within a few short years of starting it
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Are you kidding Flex was putting shit in his arms that is why he tried to hide the deformity it caused with those shitty tattoos that is also probably what caused his clotting issues loss of a leg and half his arm. After 40 his arms got weirder and weirder looking that is what happened to all those guys the synthnol mishaped them and caused them to retire within a few short years of starting it
This is true.
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Thank homie! 8)
Things got/are way to toxic on this site, and I was falling into it and stopped posting. Hoping however, now the elections are over (even though they still don't have the results) and China flu isn't much of a thing anymore that things will chill out. You calling me old is hysterical. I still have 1 year and 3 months to hit 50, You hit that mark 50 years ago, you old fart! ;D
Do you know anything about my original question? You've been in the game, and a lot of gear heads in your days. Did you or any of them mix water based with oil based stuff to shoot.
Just woke up need coffee will address and counter attack the "old age" comment once I wake up a bit more. :D
LOL @ getbig being toxic.....like that`s quite the revelation and conclusion you FINALLY arrived at after all these years. LOL ;D
You can mix both and inject, but my personal preferance would be to shoot each seperatly.....but that`s just me.
Like the old saying goes..."oil and water don`t mix.
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Are you kidding Flex was putting shit in his arms that is why he tried to hide the deformity it caused with those shitty tattoos that is also probably what caused his clotting issues loss of a leg and half his arm. After 40 his arms got weirder and weirder looking that is what happened to all those guys the synthnol mishaped them and caused them to retire within a few short years of starting it
Esiclene, not Synthol. Esiclene was a steroid called formebolone which apparently was very irritating at the injection site and caused some temporary swelling. But they say the swelling looked hard.
I never saw a single ampoule of the stuff but I imagine it was a bit like shooting test prop all over the day before a show. Which many do btw. But it will not build a physique, hopefully just a good looking touch-up. Even Dorian admitted to Esiclene iirc.
Flex was full of Synthol bjt claimed he shot up with Esiclene all over at times. One time Levrone had supposedly emptied the whole market of the stuff (said Flex).
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Terrible idea to mix them.
B-12 only needs a slin pin and is quite simple.
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Thanks, Myt1. It's been around as a drug since at least the mid 70s(edit: just read it was introduced in 1969) but it's unclear(to me :D) when exactly bodybuilders first started using it for site injections, as opposed to when it "caught on" among bodybuilders for that purpose.
Interesting, I wonder what it's true usage purpose was, and why it was discontinued? Levrone said on a YT vid he still had some, and that an amp would sell for hundreds to a thousand bucks since it is no longer made. Must be pretty good shit!
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Have you tried GoodRX website? That place is a godsend for people whose insurance won't pay or even just for getting stuff way cheaper than what their insurance copay would be. I would start there just to see.
Yes, Testosterone Enanthate for a 90 supply on there. I have Optum RX for 90 supply. Last year 4 5 cc bottles were $131,,this year they were $141, No biggie. Good RX went from a little higher to over $250+ for 90 days, So yes, when the are comparable I use GoodRX...much easier to drive one mile the the Neigborhoo WalMart the same day than wait for it to show up in a week or two
Also, insurance won't ship oils during the winter, and you have to argue with them during spring, summer, and fall about it being an expulsive on a plane...fucking Amazon probably sends 100,000+ essential oils per day. So WTF is the difference?
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Interesting, I wonder what it's true usage purpose was, and why it was discontinued? Levrone said on a YT vid he still had some, and that an amp would sell for hundreds to a thousand bucks since it is no longer made. Must be pretty good shit!
Here's a little info re: its original purpose:
"It has been used experimentally in the treatment of growth retardation, and has been noted to increase bone mass. Additionally, it has been patented for use in development of novel transdermal delivery systems for enhanced drug delivery."
"It was preferred in children over more androgenic and anabolic compounds because the conversion into estrogen with more harsh compounds is known to cause growth cessation in adolescents. Results included an increase in bone age without effecting final height at maturity."
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Interesting, I wonder what it's true usage purpose was, and why it was discontinued? Levrone said on a YT vid he still had some, and that an amp would sell for hundreds to a thousand bucks since it is no longer made. Must be pretty good shit!
Most likely it didn't sell, simple as that. There is not much use for AAS in children today period. I have wondered why no one ordered it from China and whipped up a batch. Maybe they figure it would be a relatively low seller in bb as well.
My friiend just went through the bother of ordering B12 and B complex amps from Thailand for general "tiredness" and listlessness, paid customs taxes and everything. He asks me how much he should take? To me it's like asking how much of this supplemental vitamin C should I take? I don't know.
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Dude, you'd rather be in pain? Spending time and money going to doctor after doctor getting tests done, sacrificing the quality of your life, just because you like the taste of carbs? Look up Revero health, Dr. Shawn Bakers site, tons of success stories, like I said thousands healed fibromyalgia and various other autoimmune diseases with this.
I have IBS severely bad. I don't really like the taste of carbs, as much as I need the fiber. My GI doctor has me "prescribed/highly recommended to take a fiber supplement", and each at least one salad a day. Also, to eat only fibrous carbs. I take WalMart's generic MetaMucile (sp?) before bed. It has 23 total grams of "carbs" 7 are from soluble and insoluble fiber, so there is really only 16 grams of sugars listed which I assume is bcuz I buy the one that has orange flavoring. It still tastes like shit, but the plain made me want to puke. I guess I could maybe try the plain, and add a generic crystal light..I buy everything generic. I have my salad (full fat ranch, cheddar cheese, some chopped onion, and real bacon bits) with dinner which is 4oz cooked of ground meat or chopped sirloin steak that I have with either 1\3 of cooked brown rice, some broccoli, and either have some steak sauce or soy and butter than mix it all up. Sometimes I have 4oz of top sirloin with chopped onions and green peppers cooked with it, use bread sometimes instead of brown rice, and add a slice or two of swiss cheese. I don't use rolls, I use high fiber bread and make a philly out of that as rolls have zero fiber, and more carbs.
I have zero appetite. I eat 1-2 meals a day, so for whoever asked about the 300mgs test, it has nothing to do with wanting to be big. It has everything to do with increasing my energy, my muscles not feeling like they are hollow/dead/numb....I don't really know how to describe it to someone that does not have or deal with FB. Plus the rheumatologist said I absolutely should be working out to alleviate symptoms. Hard to do with no fucking energy, and only 1 meal a day.
When I do eat twice it is a protein shake with 6oz of milk, 4oz of plain Greek yogurt, and handful of frozen strawberries, 1 scoop of protein which is around 30 grams of protein is plain flavored - hence the strawberries which add some flavor, and act as ice once I blend all of this, I also add 2oz of sugar free 7up/sprite so it's kind of like a Strawberry Julius with some fiz to it. Powdered supps added are 5 grams of glutamine for gut health, a scoop of 100mg B-Complex, a scoop of BCAA's, TBSP of Flax for fiber/and Omega's, and finally a scoop of AAKG.
If I'm on the test, and working out I get a bit more of an appetite and after training will have two whole eggs mixed with two whites, and 3oz of canned spinach fried up before adding the eggs in. I put it over 1-2 slices of the fiber enhanced bread mentioned above, and yes I always put ketchup on my eggs. If that's a no-no or the cheese is out of the question I would not do carnivore. I'm from WI, my body does not survive without cheese. So the IBS is something I've been dealing with for almost 30 yrs, and is my main health issue. The FB diagnosis wasn't until about 2-3 yrs ago as of this month actually. So I need the fiber, and I am willing to switch out the orange fiber powder and try mixing it with the generic sugar free crystal light to eliminate the carbs from that. I'm dealing with two conditions that seem to contradict each other if trying to solve by food.
Anyway, long post. However, it gives you all the details and answers everyone's questions about doing carnivore, and the one about why I would take test to have big muscles vs. being healthy. Optimal test levels have a lot to do with being healthy.. I have no desire to be huge.
Since I wrote all that, I might as well add in the supps I take daily.
-Multi vitamin/mineral
-100 mg B-complex 2x per day
-1000 mgs Vitamin 2x per day
-CoQ10
-A thing called Occuvite as my vision is declining as I get older
-A glucosamine and chondroitin vitamin 1500mgs and 1200 of each respectively are in it
-Niacin 500mgs
-5000 IU's of D3 2x per day
-I am probably going to start collagen soon. I still look mid to late 30's I'm told, even though I am less than 3 month's from 49. I personally notice worsening skin. People that say I look younger than my actual age see me with clothes on...I don't. Plus, I believe it is good for tendons/ligaments if I'm not mistaken?
Oh, and I take Pedialyte sport packets for electrolytes. It only has 90 cals in a 33.8 oz bottle, and 14 sugars, but two grams of fiber so really 12 net carbs. It is insanely good, but it is pricy. I buy the packets which are meant to be mixed with 16oz of water, but it is still strong so I mix it in an old 33.8 oz bottle, and when it gets to the halfway point I fill it up to the top again. So I'm actually only getting around 7 grams of carbs since it would take two packets to equal what's in the 33.8 oz bottles.
Fire away with any suggestions if you read the whole thing, and know the whole story. Biggest take aways I got was "oil and water don't mix" so I guess I just keep having the nurses do the test shots, and take 1/3-1/2 of the B dose weekly vs. all of it once per month. Thanks to all.
Thanks for those that answered original question, and even to the diet suggestions....even though that advice was without knowing about other issues. My computer with my diet total cals and macros died. But if I remember right it's around 1500 cals. and less than 100 grams of carbs. It's mostly high protein and high fat.
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There are some experts who believe fiber is the worst thing to eat when you have IBS.
It causes inflammation in your bowels and worsens your condition.
So, what your doctor is advising you is the exact opposite of what you should be doing and is only making things worse.
Experiment for yourself.
Try a meat/eggs diet for one month. Nothing else except water. No fiber.
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Have you tried GoodRX website? That place is a godsend for people whose insurance won't pay or even just for getting stuff way cheaper than what their insurance copay would be. I would start there just to see.
I use GoodRX....they`re great.
Damn,I sound like a TV commercial. :D
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There are some experts who believe fiber is the worst thing to eat when you have IBS.
It causes inflammation in your bowels and worsens your condition.
So, what your doctor is advising you is the exact opposite of what you should be doing and is only making things worse.
Experiment for yourself.
Try a meat/eggs diet for one month. Nothing else except water. No fiber.
Fiber definitely messes me up.
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Fiber definitely messes me up.
If you cant shit drink some olive oil
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Regarding the needles, you can shoot oil with 25ga, just warm it up a little. It will take a couple of minutes.
I use to date a woman with fibromialgia. She used high doses of magnesium to lessen the cramps.
She had good and bad days. In the bad days she couldnt get out of bed.
I understand your pain Ironbrother.
I thought exercise would worsen the cramps and fatigue but it seems to.help.
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If you cant shit drink some olive oil
Believe me, when you have IBS shitting is no problem. ;D It's how it comes out, and how it comes out.
Fiber adds bulk to the stool, and even though I still go more than the average person, it's not spraying everywhere, and I'm not spending 15 minutes wiping diarrhea to get cleaned up after 20-30 minutes on the toilet. I good solid dump takes 5-10 minutes, and a couple wipes b4 I get to move on and wait for the next one.
As for whoever said about some "experts" saying fiber is worse for IBS......it wasn't my regular General Dr. that I take instructions from. I never even talk to him about it much if at all when I see him. It was my GI Dr. who has been practicing for 30+ years....not trying to be a smartass (pardon the pun considering the topic), and works a the largest hospital center in the state for GI issues. That's all they do is GI visits, endoscopies, and colonoscopies. He is also a part-time professor at the State Medical University, I think that qualifies him as an expert/specialist?
I have tried changing my diet many times. To be honest, he told me that advice at 43. I never ate a salad until then. I hate lettuce so much that I used to pick it off my steak tacos from TB, and order burgers without it. I don't like oatmeal either, which is why I mix it dry in my shakes as I can't taste it. I prefer white rice to brown, and real sub rolls to eating a philly steak on bread slices. Switching those things, and taking the fiber drink daily has helped, not hurt my symptoms.
Sorry, for all the long posts. This thread got side-tracked from the injection mixing topic, and I'm OK with that as there has been lot's of advice about two things I rarely talk about on here, cuz one is embarrassing, and the other has skeptics often. Now that I've put everything out there, I'm open to more suggestions, and I say thanks to all for not being dickheads about either subject, and the advices 8)
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Eat only meat and eggs for a month and report back.
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If you cant shit drink some olive oil
I just drink hot water.