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I got a lot of shit for this so I did some research and it looks like these are actually a very safe and great exercise to increase shoulder stability and they hit the 3 heads better than the front press which winds up recruiting the pecs. Supposedly these are great for overall upper back thickness they also felt great after to be honest.
https://www.mensxp.com/amp/health/body-building/47027-don-t-be-scared-do-the-behind-the-neck-shoulder-press.html
https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-dont-fear-the-behind-the-neck-press/amp/
So what do you guys think yeah or no who does then who doesn’t I just did them for the first time this week haven’t done them in over a decade have just used dumbbells and kept it light since the shoulder surgeries but going to do them weekly now it says they are superior to military presses and will increase shoulder stability which is what I need
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Personally, does not feel good on my shoulders.
I stopped these many years ago.
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I think it puts the shoulder in an awkward position under a heavy load.
It may work for some, but it's one of those exercises where there appear to be a multitude of safer movements that can accomplish the same thing.
I would never listen to advice from bodybuilding sites either. Plus, in terms of expertise of mobility, safety and recovery, we have our resident Kranenstein as a tremendous resource.
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If I could go back in time I would have avoided all overhead pressing.
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You might not have trouble now... but keep doing it and it will add up. Anything behind the neck is not good based on the way the shoulders are designed and move through external rotation. Some people are flexible enough to do these. Those people are generally not very big. Once you add a good bit of muscle and mass to your shoulders, you increase the risk of impingement, partial tear or future arthritis.
Dumbbell presses and lowering to the bottom of the ear are much more effective in my opinion.
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BNP's actually fixed my scarred/frozen shoulders.
Some experts say not to do them. I like them so I do them.
Experts are wrong every single day in all fields. I dont go crazy with them, I use the Smith more for them for stability, etc.
But do like Barbell as well when I feel like it..
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I agree with you Mr Bhanky, it's a great exercise.
Forget what anyone on here says, they are just jealous and don't want to see you get huge and freaky (remember most here don't even like to lift and then you have fatsos like Shizzo and VG giving people diet advice)
The great Mr Kevin Levrone does these at age 50+ and hits PBs. That's good enough for me. Let's see you hit your PB!
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They are good but if you lack shoulder flexibility and connective tissue strength you can hurt yourself.
Best to take it easy and use lighter weights for moderate to high reps until you loosen up and toughen up your connective tissues.
Dips are the same way.
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I'm of the opinion that if it feels ok, do it. I've never had a problem doing them front or back, but by the same token, dips annoy my shoulders to no end. That being said, be honest about it. You've got bad shoulders to start with, and a run away btn press is tricky thing to deal with.
Find a full power rack, and do them off the pins, also humble yourself, and do them standing. It's much easier to dump them standing if you get into trouble. If you're self conscious about it, buy a pair of #44/45 or #55 bumpers, and practice in your basement. Generally you can add similar amount of smaller iron plates in weight to a side, as long as you've got a good full sized heavy bumper as the first plate. It's not too rough on the bar.
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I got a lot of shit for this so I did some research and it looks like these are actually a very safe and great exercise to increase shoulder stability and they hit the 3 heads better than the front press which winds up recruiting the pecs. Supposedly these are great for overall upper back thickness they also felt great after to be honest.
https://www.mensxp.com/amp/health/body-building/47027-don-t-be-scared-do-the-behind-the-neck-shoulder-press.html (https://www.mensxp.com/amp/health/body-building/47027-don-t-be-scared-do-the-behind-the-neck-shoulder-press.html)
https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-dont-fear-the-behind-the-neck-press/amp/ (https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-dont-fear-the-behind-the-neck-press/amp/)
So what do you guys think yeah or no who does then who doesn’t I just did them for the first time this week haven’t done them in over a decade have just used dumbbells and kept it light since the shoulder surgeries but going to do them weekly now it says they are superior to military presses and will increase shoulder stability which is what I need
jesus christ, if you want to improve your shoulder stability dont use a barbell.
use a bamboo bar
kettlebell windmills
upside down kettlebell presses
before you ask, i can shoulder press more than you
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I do Bradford Presses......constant tension... and I have no problem doing any behind the neck presses or pulldowns but I fervently hope Hanky wrecks himself.....fucking clown.
Brian quickly Googles Bradford Presses to garner more info from his superior.
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Former Getbig idol Nasser Sonbaty* [RIP] doing behind the neck presses in Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding.
*Known on Getbig as Nasshole Oil Syntholbody.
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We all did PBN heavy in the seventies and eighties,......no problem going heavy either.
If it causes undue pain don`t do them.
This cat`s been training since he was 8 years old according to him and acts like he just discovered this exercise...........ASSHO LE. :D
He asks whats a good weight to use on them.............you couldn`t make this shit up.
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You might not have trouble now... but keep doing it and it will add up. Anything behind the neck is not good based on the way the shoulders are designed and move through external rotation. Some people are flexible enough to do these. Those people are generally not very big. Once you add a good bit of muscle and mass to your shoulders, you increase the risk of impingement, partial tear or future arthritis.
Dumbbell presses and lowering to the bottom of the ear are much more effective in my opinion.
Brian has classic upper crossed syndrome....his mobility (and lack there of) combined with the multitude of tears...he's gonna tear something (most likely distal attachment of supraspinatus). But hey, he's an iron warrior...what does he have to worry about?
I am not opposed to BTN presses...but most people doing them have shit for shoulder ROM. Then they wonder why their shoulders hurt when doing other shit.
If I see one more person doing some external rotation exercise where they are standing, with a dumbell, arm bent at 90 deg swinging it in and out...I am going to lose it.
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jesus christ, if you want to improve your shoulder stability dont use a barbell.
use a bamboo bar
kettlebell windmills
upside down kettlebell presses
before you ask, i can shoulder press more than you
Kettlebells?? HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST HE USE THEM???
They are ONLY to be used for sweating to the oldies workouts!!!!!
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We all did PBN heavy in the seventies and eighties,......no problem going heavy either.
If it causes undue pain don`t do them.
This cat`s been training since he was 8 years old according to him and acts like he just discovered this exercise...........ASSHO LE. :D
He aks whats a good weight to use on them.............you couldn`t make this shit up.
When I first started training I would do dumbbell shoulder presses side laterals front raises and rear 3 sets of 10 for all of them one day a week. My shoulders got overdeveloped as I was also delt dominant on bench and curling top heavy with the front delt. I had some rotator slap injuries and surgeries and stopped training shoulders separately just did chest and some side raises shoulders were really far ahead. Now I am incorporating a little more overhead pressing shoulder work to see if I can bring the left one back up a little but also the upper back trap area gets good activation from it. I usually like dumbbells but trying something different I don’t push too hard as do have shoulder issues. But I get a really good shoulder pump if I even think about training shoulders always have I wish my chest was the same way
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Sheared Rotator Cuff And Shoulder Impingement Of Peace
How dumb do you have to be to try to squat heavy with metal knees or do heavy presses after 3 shoulder surgeries.
If you get hurt,it`s your own fault you stupid asshole.
Mensa my fucking ass!
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When I first started training I would do dumbbell shoulder presses side laterals front raises and rear 3 sets of 10 for all of them one day a week. My shoulders got overdeveloped as I was also delt dominant on bench and curling top heavy with the front delt. I had some rotator slap injuries and surgeries and stopped training shoulders separately just did chest and some side raises shoulders were really far ahead. Now I am incorporating a little more overhead pressing shoulder work to see if I can bring the left one back up a little but also the upper back trap area gets good activation from it. I usually like dumbbells but trying something different I don’t push too hard as do have shoulder issues. But I get a really good shoulder pump if I even think about training shoulders always have I wish my chest was the same way
I don`t care what you did or do asswipe.
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When I first started training I would do dumbbell shoulder presses side laterals front raises and rear 3 sets of 10 for all of them one day a week. My shoulders got overdeveloped as I was also delt dominant on bench and curling top heavy with the front delt. I had some rotator slap injuries and surgeries and stopped training shoulders separately just did chest and some side raises shoulders were really far ahead. Now I am incorporating a little more overhead pressing shoulder work to see if I can bring the left one back up a little but also the upper back trap area gets good activation from it. I usually like dumbbells but trying something different I don’t push too hard as do have shoulder issues. But I get a really good shoulder pump if I even think about training shoulders always have I wish my chest was the same way
"some" as in multiple.
SLAP tears = superior labrum (tear from) anterior (to) posterior...involves tearing of the labrum and often the bicep tendon shearing off from the attachment .
Yeah, by all means keep pounding the weights on that shoulder. I guaran-fucking-tee you arent doing ANY shoulder pre-hab stuff before lifting.
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Are BNP's better for overall width/side delt mass than regular overhead presses?
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If I could go back in time I would have avoided all overhead pressing.
totally unnecessary, I only do side laterals for direct delt work
Chest work does more than enough for delts, delts are designed to raise your arms and push down and away.
Imagine before we walked upright, would we ever have lfted out arms horizontal.
Look at Chimpanzees, do they ever lift things over theor head on a regular basis they pull and push things
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If I could go back in time I would have avoided all overhead pressing.
This. I would only do laterals.
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Fake weights, there isnt even a stand to take the weight off
Are we expected to believe Ian passed him the weight or he cleaned it up there?
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Risk versus reward and the risk of unnoticeable gains compared to other presses isn’t worth it IMO HTH
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Brian has classic upper crossed syndrome....his mobility (and lack there of) combined with the multitude of tears...he's gonna tear something (most likely distal attachment of supraspinatus). But hey, he's an iron warrior...what does he have to worry about?
I am not opposed to BTN presses...but most people doing them have shit for shoulder ROM. Then they wonder why their shoulders hurt when doing other shit.
If I see one more person doing some external rotation exercise where they are standing, with a dumbell, arm bent at 90 deg swinging it in and out...I am going to lose it.
Krank, we need more videos of you pushing superior weight followed by hilarious commentary
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Risk versus reward and the risk of unnoticeable gains compared to other presses isn’t worth it IMO HTH
no need to get personal with the OP.
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totally unnecessary, I only do side laterals for direct delt work
Chest work does more than enough for delts, delts are designed to raise your arms and push down and away.
Imagine before we walked upright, would we ever have lfted out arms horizontal.
Look at Chimpanzees, do they ever lift things over theor head on a regular basis they pull and push things
I agree with this but it`s ingrained in my training/blood and I enjoy them and have no shoulder issues.
You are 100% correct though.
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Fake weights, there isnt even a stand to take the weight off
Are we expected to believe Ian passed him the weight or he cleaned it up there?
LOL! I didn't even notice that until just now.
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no need to get personal with the OP.
Hahaha! :D
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Former Getbig idol Nasser Sonbaty* [RIP] doing behind the neck presses in Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding.
*Known on Getbig as Nasshole Oil Syntholbody.
The real question is wtf kind of training outfit is that not exactly proper gym attire
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Are BNP's better for overall width/side delt mass than regular overhead presses?
I think they do IMO,but the anterior head is strongly activated as well.
Just my 2 cents.
A good scenario, and a safer one is to pre-exhaust the lateral head by doing lateral raises first then go right into the presses.....you won`t need to go anywhere near as heavy and you are increasing intensity bigtime.
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Bhank, I say load up. Go all out.
Start the Behind the Neck Power Lifting Championships.
Go for it.
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The real question is wtf kind of training outfit is that not exactly proper gym attire
You train in slippers and sandals for Christs sake. ;D
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The real question is wtf kind of training outfit is that not exactly proper gym attire
I didnt really notice , odd that you would home in on it though...did it give you a dick twitch?
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I think with a lighter weight they are safe. It hits the delts at a great angle. Just like pulldowns behind the neck...it just hits the back different
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I think with a lighter weight they are safe. It hits the delts at a great angle. Just like pulldowns behind the neck...it just hits the back different
Yeah I also like behind the neck pull-downs
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I've done them for many years with no issues
They were an standard shoulder movement for many old school BB's
Serge Nubret did them standing with a very light BB
I'm actually surprised to see this photo of Lee Haney going so heavy
I recall reading somewhere (I think an article or video from Ron Harris) that Haney only used 65 or 70 dumbells for shoulder press
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Yeah I also like behind the neck pull-downs
fuck off
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The real question is wtf kind of training outfit is that not exactly proper gym attire
FLEX Magazine Circa 1996 to 2001 suggested it was. ;D
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Bhank, I say load up. Go all out.
Start the Behind the Neck Power Lifting Championships.
Go for it.
^^^^ THIS :D
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I got a lot of shit for this so I did some research and it looks like these are actually a very safe and great exercise to increase shoulder stability and they hit the 3 heads better than the front press which winds up recruiting the pecs. Supposedly these are great for overall upper back thickness they also felt great after to be honest.
https://www.mensxp.com/amp/health/body-building/47027-don-t-be-scared-do-the-behind-the-neck-shoulder-press.html
https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-dont-fear-the-behind-the-neck-press/amp/
So what do you guys think yeah or no who does then who doesn’t I just did them for the first time this week haven’t done them in over a decade have just used dumbbells and kept it light since the shoulder surgeries but going to do them weekly now it says they are superior to military presses and will increase shoulder stability which is what I need
Back in the late 80s, BTNs were almost as verboten as squats, deemed joint and ligament killers.
But, I've found that most people who still do BTNs did them early in their training years and got flexible enough to where it doesn't bother them now.
Now, the happy medium seems to be either use a Smith Machine or do them LAST after doing other shoulder work, so that you're too fatigued to use superheavy weight and can concentrate on form.
Another option that I've used (courtesy of an article from a former Mr. O) is to do the Hammer Strength shoulder press facing the back rest. That will fry your side delts, BIG TIME!! Or, you could try alternating presses to see if that does the trick (see above video).
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Fake weights, there isnt even a stand to take the weight off
Are we expected to believe Ian passed him the weight or he cleaned it up there?
Ian actually did upright rows with it before passing it to Nasser to do his set of behind the neck press
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Bitch Hanks......you like it behind huh? Good for you...youre a homo loser who complains and bitches about another man bullying you and your family.....youre a bitch of the biggest proportions....get the fuck outta here already with your bitch ass...do them as heavy as you can...slap the 45s on there one on top of the other and more and record it, then post here. After doing that....you might be forgiven for being a bitch...maybe....
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We all did PBN heavy in the seventies and eighties,......no problem going heavy either.
If it causes undue pain don`t do them.
This cat`s been training since he was 8 years old according to him and acts like he just discovered this exercise...........ASSHO LE. :D
He asks whats a good weight to use on them.............you couldn`t make this shit up.
Absolutely agree Wes....this is comical at best. For someone who "makes.more gains than anyone else here" he sure does sound clue less as fuck....what a joke this BitchHanks fella is....
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When I first started training I would do dumbbell shoulder presses side laterals front raises and rear 3 sets of 10 for all of them one day a week. My shoulders got overdeveloped as I was also delt dominant on bench and curling top heavy with the front delt. I had some rotator slap injuries and surgeries and stopped training shoulders separately just did chest and some side raises shoulders were really far ahead. Now I am incorporating a little more overhead pressing shoulder work to see if I can bring the left one back up a little but also the upper back trap area gets good activation from it. I usually like dumbbells but trying something different I don’t push too hard as do have shoulder issues. But I get a really good shoulder pump if I even think about training shoulders always have I wish my chest was the same way
No one.....Absolutely NO ONE.....gives any fucks what you think or do ....straight ZERO fucks given anytime you post something or bitch about any one bullying you ...what do you not understand.....youre a pathetic loser wannabe who is actually a Big bitch....
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They don't feel right. Neither does benching to my neck. Some exercises work better for some more than others. If it doesn't feel right like it's in my joint or I'm straining something I don't do it.
I've never had trouble with behind the neck pull downs though I do them every week.
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Did BNP off and on for years, still use the movement to warm up.
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totally unnecessary, I only do side laterals for direct delt work
Chest work does more than enough for delts, delts are designed to raise your arms and push down and away.
Imagine before we walked upright, would we ever have lfted out arms horizontal.
Look at Chimpanzees, do they ever lift things over theor head on a regular basis they pull and push things
I did plenty of heavy overhead pressing in my life but I completely agree
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Ian actually did upright rows with it before passing it to Nasser to do his set of behind the neck press
Lol, I guess that would be the only way.
I can't say I've ever seen someone do upright rows with 365-lb.
When I saw that picture in 1999, I just thought Nasser was unbelievably strong. It's kind of sad to think how so many images/impressions we are exposed to in media are fake.
As if Nasser doesn't represent a look that is unsustainable as it is - even what we have seen of him is fake [being pumped in every shot, and using fake weights here].
On top of that, I recall Fortress saying Nasser wasn't strong at all - curling with 30-lb dumbbells.
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I don't know about 495-lb, but I could believe Greg Kovacs pressing 405-lb behind the neck on the Smith Machine. Well...not lately.
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Lol, I guess that would be the only way.
I can't say I've ever seen someone do upright rows with 365-lb.
When I saw that picture in 1999, I just thought Nasser was unbelievably strong. It's kind of sad to think how so many images/impressions we are exposed to in media are fake.
As if Nasser doesn't represent a look that is unsustainable as it is - even what we have seen of him is fake [being pumped in every shot, and using fake weights here].
On top of that, I recall Fortress saying Nasser wasn't strong at all - curling with 30-lb dumbbells.
I definitely remember a Nasser training video where he was prepping for a show. Granted he was dieted down but he sure made 185lb bnp look like it was heavy. Dieted down or not for his size he looked weak
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So bhank is onto something else now? Did he get last place at his curling contest or something?