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Title: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=672165.0;attach=1429877;image)

^^^^^^HANKY

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1429734;image)

^^^^^^Soul Crusher

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: poonhead on March 16, 2023, 11:33:21 AM
IRL probably bhank
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 11:34:34 AM
weird poll choices
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:35:54 AM
weird poll choices
Sorry I never did a poll before....I`ll do it over.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 11:37:08 AM
Sorry I never did a poll before....I`ll do it over.

it should be hanky as one choice and soul as the other

imma slap you into next week  :D :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: GymnJuice on March 16, 2023, 11:37:26 AM
Sorry I never did a poll before....I`ll do it over.

Can we have a poll between juiced Matt C versus Hanky?  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:37:37 AM
I fucked this poll up.....just type which guy you think has the better back.....sorry `bout that!   
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:38:17 AM
it should be hanky as one choice and soul as the other

imma slap you into next week  :D :D
Nobody ever said I was smart!   :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:40:41 AM
NEVERMIND.....DUH!!   LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: deadz on March 16, 2023, 11:42:51 AM
SC
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 16, 2023, 11:43:38 AM
333 for the easy win
better delts too and probably better arms/forearms from what I recall from his  prior posts
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Kwon on March 16, 2023, 11:47:20 AM
Wes

Poll is Weird


Let's make a Paul instead
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:48:23 AM
SC.....wider,thicker,denser,and a far better V-shape....great rear delts also.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Gym Rat on March 16, 2023, 11:48:58 AM
SC has better everything, even the cranium.
Better pics on the wall as well. Looks like Clark Gilles holding the cup... (Or maybe Mike Bossy)?? Cant tell from here.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:49:47 AM
Wes

Poll is Weird


Let's make a Paul instead
:'(   >:(   ;D   :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2023, 11:50:16 AM
SC.....wider,thicker,denser,and a far better V-shape....great rear delts also.

Nothing you type can save this thread after that poll.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:52:41 AM
Nothing you type can save this thread after that poll.
Legit LOL  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: ROBOAK on March 16, 2023, 11:54:21 AM
I have nothing against pole Crusher, but his natty claims are bullshit ,

400 pound bench,bald by 25 and striated traps of peace
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 16, 2023, 11:56:38 AM
I kind of like the current poll option wording. It's appealing in an absurdist joseph heller sort of way

And absurdity, if you step back, is a nice summary of where we have ended up due to the collective frustration with Mr hankins

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:58:29 AM
I kind of like the current pole option wording. It's appealing in an absurdist joseph heller sort of way

And absurdity, if you step back, is a nice summary of where we have ended up due to the collective frustration with Mr hankins
I`ll never live this one down !!   ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 11:59:17 AM
If any needs a poll made contact me at 1-800-dumbass  :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 11:59:31 AM
I have nothing against pole Crusher, but his natty claims are bullshit ,

400 pound bench,bald by 25 and striated traps of peace

you have nothing against him yet stalk him (not to the level I stalk hanky) and shit on him
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:01:07 PM
Wes

Poll is Weird


Let's make a Paul instead
Be warned wiseguy...I`m hopping a flight to Switzerland ASAP for payback.   :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:01:19 PM
which better for hunting, spear or arrow
so you can relate to your prime years Wes

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:03:10 PM
which better for hunting, spear or arrow
so you can relate to your prime years Wes


You`re on a roll today wiseass!  LOL  :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 16, 2023, 12:03:29 PM
I have nothing against pole Crusher, but his natty claims are bullshit ,

400 pound bench,bald by 25 and striated traps of peace

I don't know him but I don't doubt he's natural
He looks like a typical mesomorph

The Dan Duchaine Body Opus is an interesting choice for bathroom reading material
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: ROBOAK on March 16, 2023, 12:04:31 PM
The coach and pole Crusher are both  5'2 160lbs , both can bench 400lb , coach admits his drug use

I guess the coach is genetic garbage, compared to the genetic  marvel that is pole Crusher....
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: michael arvilla on March 16, 2023, 12:10:53 PM
This is like a "Woke" poll so you don't hurt anyone's feelings?  (Everyone is a winner is Wes's eyes!))
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:12:11 PM
This is like a "Woke" poll so you don't hurt anyone's feelings?  (Everyone is a winner is Wes's eyes!))
Thanks for your unasked for input Mike  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 12:14:18 PM
SC back is 66%
Hankys is a turd.....
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 12:15:06 PM
Back double bicep includes biceps
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Skeletor on March 16, 2023, 12:15:39 PM
Not even a question, Soul Crusher wins easily.

Bhank will again have the usual excuses:
"Can't you guys see I am so much better"
"I am 230 lbs, he's tiny"
"I have [insert disease/condition]"
"You photoshopped my pic"
"It's not the same pose"


etc
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 12:16:04 PM
Back double bicep includes biceps
Dorian destroyed everyone from the back, he had poor biceps
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:17:19 PM
Back double bicep includes biceps
biceps....or in your case bicep
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 12:17:23 PM
I don't know him but I don't doubt he's natural
He looks like a typical mesomorph

The Dan Duchaine Body Opus is an interesting choice for bathroom reading material

I bought that book way back when for the diet - tried it - hated it - all fat and meat etc.  Kept it around for nostalgic reasons.   Picked it up again, and don't follow any of this shit. 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:17:52 PM
SC back is 66%
Hankys is a turd.....
Good one !  :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 12:20:07 PM
Dorian destroyed everyone from the back, he had poor biceps

The original challenge was a back double bicep that was the pose then when Sc can’t figure it out now it’s a back pose? You want to compare hit the pose. I have no problem comparing other poses once we look at the back double bicep you guys all claim be beats my back double bicep and he hasn’t done one yet. I want a fair comparison that’s all. A comparable pose all Sc ever does it take partial shots zoomed in at angles it’s a trick let’s see the entire post both sides a couple feet from the camera like I did not a quarter of his back in a mirror at an angle from a foot away. Make it a fair comparison
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:20:27 PM
This thread isn`t so bad I`m getting Shizzolike views.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 12:20:59 PM
Exactly this dude is a fake natty who has this shit out to read in 2023
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 12:21:54 PM
Here you go Bhank   :)
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:22:03 PM
The original challenge was a back double bicep that was the pose then when Sc can’t figure it out now it’s a back pose? You want to compare hit the pose. I have no problem comparing other poses once we look at the back double bicep you guys all claim be beats my back double bicep and he hasn’t done one yet. I want a fair comparison that’s all. A comparable pose all Sc ever does it take partial shots zoomed in at angles it’s a trick let’s see the entire post both sides a couple feet from the camera like I did not a quarter of his back in a mirror at an angle from a foot away. Make it a fair comparison
What do you win if you beat him in this "contest" ?

YOU IDIOT !!
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:22:52 PM
Here you go Bhank   :)
Owned again !!  :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Skeletor on March 16, 2023, 12:24:08 PM
Here you go Bhank   :)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=683747.0;attach=1429887;image)

Bhank can easily take the same picture with his phone to compare but he hasn't done it, he just cries "it's not a back double bicep!".
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Wayne Tracker on March 16, 2023, 12:24:56 PM
I bought that book way back when for the diet - tried it - hated it - all fat and meat etc.  Kept it around for nostalgic reasons.   Picked it up again, and don't follow any of this shit.

I bought it as well
Just another rehash of low carb diet with a refeed
RIP Han Hopstaken
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 12:25:08 PM
The original challenge was a back double bicep that was the pose then when Sc can’t figure it out now it’s a back pose? You want to compare hit the pose. I have no problem comparing other poses once we look at the back double bicep you guys all claim be beats my back double bicep and he hasn’t done one yet. I want a fair comparison that’s all. A comparable pose all Sc ever does it take partial shots zoomed in at angles it’s a trick let’s see the entire post both sides a couple feet from the camera like I did not a quarter of his back in a mirror at an angle from a foot away. Make it a fair comparison

Look you stupid twat he beats you "hands down" literally "hands down"
He doesnt ned to flex his arms, you are flogging a dead horse here

I know you have convinced yourself you look better , you first said it was a tie, then your twisted brain recognised that it waa a slight admission of failure so you then switched to "I win"

Tell you what why dont you replicate the pose he did if you are the shit

You are a lost cause

You need banning from here for the safety of your family because when you finally implode there will be collateral damage.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:25:12 PM
The original challenge was a back double bicep that was the pose then when Sc can’t figure it out now it’s a back pose? You want to compare hit the pose. I have no problem comparing other poses once we look at the back double bicep you guys all claim be beats my back double bicep and he hasn’t done one yet. I want a fair comparison that’s all. A comparable pose all Sc ever does it take partial shots zoomed in at angles it’s a trick let’s see the entire post both sides a couple feet from the camera like I did not a quarter of his back in a mirror at an angle from a foot away. Make it a fair comparison

its a trick ahhahahahhahaha fake natty, its a trick, one third now one quarter
 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH oh fuck the excuses are wild

now fuck off woman beater
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:25:51 PM
Bhank can easily take the same picture with his phone to compare but he hasn't done it, he just cries "it's not a back double bicep!".
Yup,the excuses will come flooding in any second now.   :(
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:27:18 PM
Look you stupid twat he beats you "hands down" literally "hands down"
He doesnt ned to flex his arms, you are flogging a dead horse here

I know you have convinced yourself you look better , you first said it was a tie, then your twisted brain recognised that it waa a slight admission of failure so you then switched to "I win"

Tell you what why dont you replicate the pose he did if you are the shit

You are a lost cause

You need banning from here for the safety of your family because when you finally implode there will be collateral damage.

absolutely
when the switch in his pea brain goes off he will put Emily in the hospital.
Today in Edmonton 2 police officers were killed by the man when they were  called to a domestic dispute,....its an absolute guarantee this happens in hankins lifetime, although I hope the cops gun him down before they are injured
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 12:34:09 PM
Here you go Bhank   :)
yeah that’s still not a back double bicep
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 12:37:52 PM
yeah that’s still not a back double bicep
it doesnt matter

Hes twice the size of you
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:38:24 PM
it doesnt matter

Hes twice the size of you

hows your dog?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 12:39:16 PM
hows your dog?

Both OK pal, I will get my Mrs to send a photo and post it
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 12:39:33 PM
it doesnt matter

Hes twice the size of you

No he is smaller by a good bit
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:40:13 PM
Both OK pal, I will get my Mrs to send a photo and post it

oh I didnt realize you had two
fuck dogs are awesome, they make the world better when pieces of human filth like hanky are in it
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:40:47 PM
it doesnt matter

Hes twice the size of you
......and is far lighter in bodyweight....just like I`ve been telling the scale happy idiot for 2 fucking years now.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Skeletor on March 16, 2023, 12:41:02 PM
LOL, here come the excuses!

yeah that’s still not a back double bicep

No he is smaller by a good bit
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 12:41:25 PM
Not even a question, Soul Crusher wins easily.

Bhank will again have the usual excuses:
"Can't you guys see I am so much better"
"I am 230 lbs, he's tiny"
"I have [insert disease/condition]"
"You photoshopped my pic"
"It's not the same pose"


etc

Im 194 lbs this am at that condition. 

 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:41:51 PM
oh I didnt realize you had two
fuck dogs are awesome, they make the world better when pieces of human filth like hanky are in it
Both of my boys are sleeping right behind me.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 12:42:00 PM
hows your dog?

Awesome picture of stoicism 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:45:16 PM
Awesome picture of stoicism

hes such a good guy
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 12:46:36 PM
Both of my boys are sleeping right behind me.

where are your dogs then?  :-X :-X :-X :-X

oh no's youre gonna kill me one day  :D :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 12:50:13 PM
I bought it as well
Just another rehash of low carb diet with a refeed
RIP Han Hopstaken

Its a cool relic from that era for sure.  But I read it recently - ridiculous nonsense.  I remember eating all this fat and protein, felt terrible!!!  No thanks.  Maybe it works for some people.   Wait - I remember buying those stupid ketosis sticks seeing if I was in ketosis or not.   So FNG stupid looking back but whatever.   Live and learn, unless you are a certain person from Kitty Hawk, N.C.     
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 12:50:17 PM
where are your dogs then?  :-X :-X :-X :-X

oh no's youre gonna kill me one day  :D :D
You funny fucker !  ;D

I`m sitting on the edge of my bed on my laptop listening to music on YT while my boys my dogs are asleep behind me....they look like matching bookends.

Had to clear  that  one up !  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 02:01:29 PM
Im 194 lbs this am at that condition.

So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Scrancer on March 16, 2023, 02:02:57 PM
Wes start another poll
Can Josh get Emily to dump Brian?

Im pulling out all the stops to do it
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 02:19:40 PM
No he is smaller by a good bit

You really think people would look past him at you on the beach?

He fucking destroys you
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: webstar on March 16, 2023, 02:28:45 PM
No he is smaller by a good bit

the pathetic thing is SC is bigger and natural
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: webstar on March 16, 2023, 02:30:21 PM
yeah that’s still not a back double bicep

you do realize one arm is holding a phone right?

you absolutely are getting destroyed.

What is this pose?

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1421192;image)
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2023, 02:34:36 PM
weird poll choices

LOL!!!!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition

You have been calling him fat for months, have you forgotten?

Also he doesnt have a 40lb head and 30lb gut
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: OneMoreRep on March 16, 2023, 02:41:01 PM
Sorry I never did a poll before....I`ll do it over.

Fixed it for you...

"1"
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 02:44:37 PM
So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSt_M4bixnSqKqMgbeQLvTpmYLY2S6DnTKFBw&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: joswift on March 16, 2023, 02:46:02 PM
Mods please tell us who voted for hanky?

I wonder......
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 02:48:02 PM
Fixed it for you...

"1"
Thanks brother....wait until I`m totally humiliated then step in and make things right.....of course I have been humiliated far worse on here so it`s all good.  ;D

Thank you my friend!  :)    (j/k of course my brother.)
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Matt on March 16, 2023, 02:49:15 PM
Can we have a poll between juiced Matt C versus Hanky?  ;D

Great post!
Great poll idea.

The only honest answer to that is B. Hank, but to make that fair, B. Hank would need to post his cycle.

If I then did that exact same cycle for a set period of time, I could get a better idea of how I would compare.

I'm not sure if B. Hank runs heavy doses, but he seems to be consistently on hormones. Be it TRT doses or higher.

If I ran that much gear for an extended period, I know I could hit 220+. Would I be as jacked and lean as B. Hank - I don't think so.

But it would be a fairer comparison.

Although I have health reasons to stay in the 180-190 weight range, so I expect to hit the middle or upper part of that range during my next cycle. Not as if being 220+ is horribly unhealthy, but I do believe that carrying excess body weight will reduce our health status over time.

B. Hank is not a hypochondriac, and it shows in his physique, and I have no issue stating his physique is far better than mine.

B. Hank refuses to give people props, but I have no issue doing that.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: OneMoreRep on March 16, 2023, 02:51:52 PM
Thanks brother....wait until I`m totally humiliated then step in and make things right.....of course I have been humiliated far worse on here so it`s all good.  ;D

Thank you my friend!  :)    (j/k of course my brother.)

Honestly, I thought you were being "woke" about the poll, leaving it vague as to stir debate/discussion.

"1"
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 02:57:42 PM
Honestly, I thought you were being "woke" about the poll, leaving it vague as to stir debate/discussion.

"1"
Go ahead insult me further.....I can take it!  LOL  ;D

As I stated earlier in  the thread.....it`s not all that bad since In was getting Shissoesquelike views.   

I`m kidding myself aren`t I?   :'(
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2023, 03:18:18 PM
So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition

Sure.

But he's clean and you've been on gear for 20 years.

No comparison - you lose.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 03:22:33 PM
Sure.

But he's clean and you've been on gear for 20 years.

No comparison - you lose.
220 pounds of  dismembered shit shoved into a 50 gallon drum and dropped into the sea.........just having a pleasant daydream,don`t mind me.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 03:26:30 PM
So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition
So what.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 03:29:26 PM
Wes start another poll
Can Josh get Emily to dump Brian?

Im pulling out all the stops to do it
NEVER AGAIN BRO.  :D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: webstar on March 16, 2023, 03:30:23 PM
So what I am 220lbs this am in the same damn condition

On gear for 2  decades straight.

We have seen what happens when you go on vacation or your TRT clinic closes shop.

You deflate.

4 months clean you would be 150 lbs

There’s a reason you are scared for your life to come off gesr.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 04:52:08 PM
Sure.

But he's clean and you've been on gear for 20 years.

No comparison - you lose.

Again first it’s he has a better back then it’s he is clean your not he wins fucking nonsense if he has a better back double bicep show it if he doesn’t have one show it but for fuck sake stop declaring him a winner when he has yet to hit the pose it’s not that difficult
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 04:53:23 PM
You have been calling him fat for months, have you forgotten?

Also he doesnt have a 40lb head and 30lb gut

Let’s see his abs exactly didn’t say fat said I don’t think he is in my condition from the front and I still don’t you guys want to select pics from over a year ago instead of yesterday I am still waiting to see a back double bicep from SC you guys can spend 2 days arguing about it he can’t spend 30 seconds and hit the actual pose from 5 feet away showing his entire back and his biceps like I did it’s a very simple pose you guys want to compare let’s compare stop this partial shot at an angle in a mirror bullshit
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 16, 2023, 05:11:17 PM
I bought it as well
Just another rehash of low carb diet with a refeed
RIP Han Hopstaken

I knew Hans when he owned Foothill Gym in Monrovia. Big loss
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 05:15:29 PM
Sure.

But he's clean and you've been on gear for 20 years.

No comparison - you lose.

Imagine Bhanks trying a Heavy at 43 ?   Lol. 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
the pathetic thing is SC is bigger and natural

That’s what’s sad.   Honestly.   All the drugs all the gear.  All the needles in his ass for what ?    Yes I have busted my ass for for so many years and decades and hard ass work.    Blue collar hard ass mothofickkng work day in day out.     This fag doesn’t grasp that.    I feel bad for how porky he was raised.     Raised like a fag and lazy bum and it shows.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: webstar on March 16, 2023, 05:31:01 PM
Let’s see his abs exactly didn’t say fat said I don’t think he is in my condition from the front and I still don’t you guys want to select pics from over a year ago instead of yesterday I am still waiting to see a back double bicep from SC you guys can spend 2 days arguing about it he can’t spend 30 seconds and hit the actual pose from 5 feet away showing his entire back and his biceps like I did it’s a very simple pose you guys want to compare let’s compare stop this partial shot at an angle in a mirror bullshit

What condition are you talking about? Yes you have abs when you flex for dear life.

But when you take a breath, you have a 44 inch waist.

Here’s a picture in case the CTE your suffered in the Clegg fight has caused memory problems.

This picture is directly from your Instagram. What are you gonna say? the undershirt is bunching up causing you  to have a 44 inch waist?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2023, 05:34:21 PM
Again first it’s he has a better back then it’s he is clean your not he wins fucking nonsense if he has a better back double bicep show it if he doesn’t have one show it but for fuck sake stop declaring him a winner when he has yet to hit the pose it’s not that difficult

Dude, from the shot alone he has better detail, thickness, and shape.

And once again, natural, whereas you've slammed gear for decades.  Which really wouldn't matter here if you just were truthful, and addressed the iKite posts about it.

You just picked the wrong guy to battle with.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Grape Ape on March 16, 2023, 05:35:31 PM
Imagine Bhanks trying a Heavy at 43 ?   Lol.

He couldn't do a GR Basic.

Shit, he couldn't do a Tough Mudder if it was on a mountain,  Spartan Beast, etc....
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 16, 2023, 05:38:51 PM
He couldn't do a GR Basic.

Shit, he couldn't do a Tough Mudder if it was on a mountain,  Spartan Beast, etc....


And he doesn’t realize how much fun and camaradiere and so much else missing on.   


His loss.    I don’t care at all.   I just do my thing and laugh my balls off at this thread.   
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:32:51 PM
That’s what’s sad.   Honestly.   All the drugs all the gear.  All the needles in his ass for what ?    Yes I have busted my ass for for so many years and decades and hard ass work.    Blue collar hard ass mothofickkng work day in day out.     This fag doesn’t grasp that.    I feel bad for how porky he was raised.     Raised like a fag and lazy bum and it shows.

At least I am not a fake natty
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:34:36 PM
Dude, from the shot alone he has better detail, thickness, and shape.

And once again, natural, whereas you've slammed gear for decades.  Which really wouldn't matter here if you just were truthful, and addressed the iKite posts about it.

You just picked the wrong guy to battle with.

The back double is about width and thickness of the shoulders and peak of the biceps and V taper none of which he is showing in his pic if he has it lets see it you can't even see his waist the pic starts halfway up much less his silhoette V all you can see is his middle back is pinched in as his one side is pulled in not remotely the same pose

Maybe he has a great double back bicep maybe it sucks but absolutely no can't tell based on the pic he shared how it compares I think I have the better shape but again we can't see based on his pic
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: webstar on March 16, 2023, 06:39:14 PM
The back double is about width and thickness of the shoulders and peak of the biceps and V taper none of which he is showing in his pic if he has it lets see it you can't even see his waist the pic starts halfway up much less his silhoette V all you can see is his middle back is pinched in as his one side is pulled in not remotely the same pose

Maybe he has a great double back bicep maybe it sucks but absolutely no can't tell based on the pic he shared how it compares I think I have the better shape but again we can't see based on his pic

What more do you want? You can see his entire back. One arm is flexed. One arm is holding the camera.

Why can’t you just admit when you’re wrong? So what you have been on steroids for 20 years abusing your body and get beat by a natty it’s  the same way you got beat by Clegg in the fight.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: AbrahamG on March 16, 2023, 06:40:56 PM
What more do you want? You can see his entire back. One arm is flexed. One arm is holding the camera.

Why can’t you just admit when you’re wrong? So what you have been on steroids for 20 years abusing your body and get beat by a natty it’s  the same way you got beat by Clegg in the fight.

Only one way to settle this once and for all.  Battle of the COCK!
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:41:52 PM
What more do you want? You can see his entire back. One arm is flexed. One arm is holding the camera.

Why can’t you just admit when you’re wrong? So what you have been on steroids for 20 years abusing your body and get beat by a natty it’s  the same way you got beat by Clegg in the fight.

A back double bicep like I am doing the standard back double bicep pose no more no less not a partial angle in a mirror showing no arms and no spread lats

Also what is he 5foot4 based on this comparison someone made it starts halfway up his back and the bottom of my back yet his head is still half a foot shorter than mine of course he is going to look thicker when you do that

Lets see the same pose waist up double back bicep lats spread lets size them right and have a real comparison
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: AbrahamG on March 16, 2023, 06:44:42 PM
My honest assessment is that SC's actual back is better but Brian might be edging him out on the ancillary bodyparts.  Overall, SC probably takes it. 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: SF1900 on March 16, 2023, 06:46:18 PM
At least I am not a fake nattyhttps://www.getbig.com/boards/Smileys/classic/cry.gif

This goes to show just how defeated you are.

It’s eating you up inside that you have slammed gear for 20+ years and SC is natural and his back destroys you.

It eats you up inside.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:48:18 PM
This goes to show just how defeated you are.

It’s eating you up inside that you have slammed gear for 20+ years and SC is natural and his back destroys you.

It eats you up inside.

No one is natural but especially not this guy the fact that he attacks people just like Ohearn when they question it is a dead give away
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: SF1900 on March 16, 2023, 06:51:09 PM
A back double bicep like I am doing the standard back double bicep pose no more no less not a partial angle in a mirror showing no arms and no spread lats

Also what is he 5foot4 based on this comparison someone made it starts halfway up his back and the bottom of my back yet his head is still half a foot shorter than mine of course he is going to look thicker when you do that

Lets see the same pose waist up double back bicep lats spread lets size them right and have a real comparison

His back is clearly wider and thicker.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:52:03 PM
My honest assessment is that SC's actual back is better but Brian might be edging him out on the ancillary bodyparts.  Overall, SC probably takes it.

Yes now you are getting it the entire comparison was me stating I had a better back double bicep he then throws up a back shot and they start talking about who has the better back the question was who has the better back double bicep which includes fucking biceps and delts. His back does look good but I believe my larger delts and biceps give my back double bicep shot an edge over his but he hasn't shown his. Regardless we both look jacked him claiming natty is an entirely different sort of nonsense that you guys can argue all day about I don't care what another man does or doesn't take but I am not going to listen to this holier than though bullshit from a fake natty. Compare physique and move on you can claim fake natty gold somewhere else.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: SF1900 on March 16, 2023, 06:53:53 PM
No one is natural but especially not this guy the fact that he attacks people just like Ohearn when they question it is a dead give away

You don’t know that.

Just admit that you can’t stand it.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 06:54:33 PM
You don’t know that.

Just admit that you can’t stand it.

I could care less what someone else does or doesn't take it makes 0 difference to me all that matters is the physique you build.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: AbrahamG on March 16, 2023, 06:56:54 PM
Yes now you are getting it the entire comparison was me stating I had a better back double bicep he then throws up a back shot and they start talking about who has the better back the question was who has the better back double bicep which includes fucking biceps and delts. His back does look good but I believe my larger delts and biceps give my back double bicep shot an edge over his but he hasn't shown his. Regardless we both look jacked him claiming natty is an entirely different sort of nonsense that you guys can argue all day about I don't care what another man does or doesn't take but I am not going to listen to this holier than though bullshit from a fake natty. Compare physique and move on you can claim fake natty gold somewhere else.

I don't care who's natural or not.  I do think that you should employ a different strategy for training your back.  The 1st thing that I always notice improvement in when on gear is that my back/lats pop a lot more. 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 16, 2023, 07:01:57 PM
I don't care who's natural or not.  I do think that you should employ a different strategy for training your back.  The 1st thing that I always notice improvement in when on gear is that my back/lats pop a lot more.

The back pops best when lean and dry the lower back leans out which brings out the V taper and detail I am just not trying to be too lean right now. I also had been focusing on biceps twice a week instead of back the last few months. Now doing back once a week again with biceps after and then a bicep day. I would look better around 210lbs but I am stronger at 220lbs which is where I plan to stay through July. I know I dont mention it every day but I do have a strict curl contest in July at 220lbs I plan to compete.

Tonight I did
3 sets of high hammer rows
3 sets of cable pull downs
2 sets of low hammer rows
2 sets ez bar curls
2 sets dumbell biceps

I signed my girl up for a membership and took her through the same workout so didn't want to do too much as was her first day
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: SF1900 on March 16, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
I could care less what someone else does or doesn't take it makes 0 difference to me all that matters is the physique you build.

And he has a better back than you.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 16, 2023, 07:18:16 PM
The back pops best when lean and dry the lower back leans out which brings out the V taper and detail I am just not trying to be too lean right now. I also had been focusing on biceps twice a week instead of back the last few months. Now doing back once a week again with biceps after and then a bicep day. I would look better around 210lbs but I am stronger at 220lbs which is where I plan to stay through July. I know I dont mention it every day but I do have a strict curl contest in July at 220lbs I plan to compete.

Tonight I did
3 sets of high hammer rows
3 sets of cable pull downs
2 sets of low hammer rows
2 sets ez bar curls
2 sets dumbell biceps


I signed my girl up for a membership and took her through the same workout so didn't want to do too much as was her first day
Pussified Workout Of Peace
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Never1AShow on March 16, 2023, 10:35:37 PM
Pussified Workout Of Peace

He doesn't have the wind for any heavy back workouts.

Also, after all this time he just now takes the step of signing his girlfriend up for his gym (bad mistake).  But it happens on the very day that video of him dressed like a slob at her big function comes out?  I think there's a connection.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 12:21:03 AM

After a decidedly shaky start, Wes's first ever poll thread has now - thanks to a crowd-pleasing topic & a little mod help - passed the 100 post mark self-designated as the "I still got it" threshold by possibly fallen former colleague shizzo

Proof that its not how you start, its how you finish, good one

Oh and SC gets my vote


Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 12:23:24 AM
After a decidedly shaky start, Wes's first ever poll thread has now - thanks to a crowd-pleasing topic & a little mod help - passed the 100 post mark self-designated as the "I still got it" threshold by possibly fallen former colleague shizzo

Proof that its not how you start, its how you finish, good one

Oh and SC gets my vote

I had a bigger and thicker back at 16 yo than he does now.   I put up the picture
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 12:29:20 AM
After a decidedly shaky start, Wes's first ever poll thread has now - thanks to a crowd-pleasing topic & a little mod help - passed the 100 post mark self-designated as the "I still got it" threshold by possibly fallen former colleague shizzo

Proof that its not how you start, its how you finish, good one

Oh and SC gets my vote
IF ANYONE HERE NEEDS HELP SETTING UP A POLL,JUST ASK I`LL BE GLAD TO ASSIST YOU.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 12:32:51 AM
He doesn't have the wind for any heavy back workouts.

Also, after all this time he just now takes the step of signing his girlfriend up for his gym (bad mistake).  But it happens on the very day that video of him dressed like a slob at her big function comes out?  I think there's a connection.
Unreal huh?

I mention all the various forms of rows with black iron, and explain that`s why his back has no thickness, and check out his workout.'

If he ever does hit that rear lat spread it will show all of his flaws.

Easy Way Out Training Of  Peace
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 12:33:08 AM
The back pops best when lean and dry the lower back leans out which brings out the V taper and detail I am just not trying to be too lean right now. I also had been focusing on biceps twice a week instead of back the last few months. Now doing back once a week again with biceps after and then a bicep day. I would look better around 210lbs but I am stronger at 220lbs which is where I plan to stay through July. I know I dont mention it every day but I do have a strict curl contest in July at 220lbs I plan to compete.

Tonight I did
3 sets of high hammer rows
3 sets of cable pull downs
2 sets of low hammer rows
2 sets ez bar curls
2 sets dumbell biceps

I signed my girl up for a membership and took her through the same workout so didn't want to do too much as was her first day



Hasn’t this poor woman suffered enough already ? 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 12:49:34 AM
He doesn't have the wind for any heavy back workouts.
I do heavy One-Arm DB Rows,Barbell Rows,Reverse Grip Underhand Rows,Two-Arm DB Rows,Heavy DB Pullovers,and Deadlifts,and plan on adding in Dead Hang Cleans soon......and I have COPD.

No Limits....No Excuses.....he shirks the hard movements and hard reps.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: AbrahamG on March 17, 2023, 12:51:24 AM
I do heavy One-Arm DB Rows,Barbell Rows,Reverse Grip Underhand Rows,Two-Arm DB Rows,Heavy DB Pullovers,and Deadlifts,and plan on adding in Dead Hang Cleans soon......and I have COPD.

No Limits....No Excuses.....he shirks the hard movements and hard reps.

No chin ups?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 01:14:42 AM
No chin ups?
I`ll be rejoining my old gym soon.....Covid related on a Uni Campus....long story.

I train mostly at home and need to work on the chinning bar.....a few modifications to make it more stable and safer....I do have one though.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: AbrahamG on March 17, 2023, 01:48:59 AM
I`ll be rejoining my old gym soon.....Covid related on a Uni Campus....long story.

I train mostly at home and need to work on the chinning bar.....a few modifications to make it more stable and safer....I do have one though.

When you go back to the gym, try this back workout:
High hammer rows 3 sets
pull downs 3 sets
low hammer rows 3 sets

 ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 01:58:58 AM
When you go back to the gym, try this back workout:
High hammer rows 3 sets
pull downs 3 sets
low hammer rows 3 sets

 ;D
You funny fucker!  ;D
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 02:03:07 AM
The man from Kitty Hawk spreads his wings

Take that Haters

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674292.0;attach=1323897;image)

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 02:12:54 AM
The man from Kitty Hawk spreads his wings

Take that Haters

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674292.0;attach=1323897;image)


I have a strong feeling that SC is gonna` wipe him out in this shot.   :-\
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Flexacon on March 17, 2023, 02:45:02 AM
The man from Kitty Hawk spreads his wings

Take that Haters

(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674292.0;attach=1323897;image)

You can add scoliosis to his list of health issues
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Kwon on March 17, 2023, 02:51:41 AM
My Vote is on Crusher of Souls and Aquafina-bottles
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: hench on March 17, 2023, 03:19:06 AM
I'm guessing someones just screenshot that from a video..?
So cue Hanky saying he's not hit the pose properly, got a full belly, after a meal.
 
I have a strong feeling that SC is gonna` wipe him out in this shot.   :-\
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Kwon on March 17, 2023, 03:42:03 AM
What condition are you talking about? Yes you have abs when you flex for dear life.

But when you take a breath, you have a 44 inch waist.

Here’s a picture in case the CTE your suffered in the Clegg fight has caused memory problems.

This picture is directly from your Instagram. What are you gonna say? the undershirt is bunching up causing you  to have a 44 inch waist?

To Hankys defense, it's clear that he has not hit the pose properly when that was taken, and he got a full belly, after a meal.

Even still, Soul Crushers back is twice the size of Hankensteins
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 03:44:10 AM
I had a bigger and thicker back at 16 yo than he does now.   I put up the picture

Your back isn’t bigger now again by all means put up a back double bicep you haven’t yet
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 03:57:18 AM
Still waiting
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 04:01:27 AM
I'm guessing someones just screenshot that from a video..?
So cue Hanky saying he's not hit the pose properly, got a full belly, after a meal.

He posted that pic himself, so if it's a screenshot it is one of his own choosing and timed presumably exactly at the point he wanted it

If he thinks it's improved since then he can easily put up another updated one, we know he rarely needs any excuse to throw up a physique pic

I just figured this would help voters in their "who has the better back development" decision making process, that's all   :)


Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 04:06:41 AM
Still waiting
By all means please do the world a favor and kill yourself.......you fucking clown.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 04:08:00 AM
He posted that pic himself, so if it's a screenshot it is one of his own choosing and timed presumably exactly at the point he wanted it

If he thinks it's improved since then he can easily put up another updated one, we know he rarely needs any excuse to throw up a physique pic

I just figured this would help voters in their "who has the better back development" decision making process, that's all   :)

Still waiting on a back double bicep from SC once we get that then we can discuss another pose but we haven’t seen the back double bicep from SC yet the original question was a back double bicep I said I believed I had a better back double bicep and he hasn’t put one up yet

It’s not that complicated is it? Back double bicep let’s see it
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 04:10:22 AM
What you mean is that you are still waiting to get your ass handed to you.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 04:10:57 AM
You can add scoliosis to his list of health issues

Ha ! 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 04:13:08 AM
Still waiting on a back double bicep from SC once we get that then we can discuss another pose but we haven’t seen the back double bicep from SC yet the original question was a back double bicep I said I believed I had a better back double bicep and he hasn’t put one up yet

Maybe you can make another poll thread about best BDB, the subject of this poll is Who has the better back development

Nb Wes is available to assist in setting this up  :D

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Kwon on March 17, 2023, 04:13:46 AM
Still waiting

Check this Hankster

Observe the Greatness, The Bane of Aquafina

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1429734;image)
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: IroNat on March 17, 2023, 04:16:10 AM
How many times is Bhanky allowed to vote in this poll?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 04:20:15 AM
Check this Hankster

Observe the Greatness, The Bane of Aquafina

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=674474.0;attach=1429734;image)
I see a 5 foot 8 190lb man afraid to put up a comparable back double bicep
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 04:21:18 AM
Maybe you can make another poll thread about best BDB, the subject of this poll is Who has the better back development

Nb Wes is available to assist in setting this up  :D

The challenge started in another thread I posted a back double bicep SC then post another partial shot at an angle in a mirror from a foot away he doesn’t want to post a legit back double bicep for a fair comparison he just wants to zoom in on a partial shot as always
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 04:21:58 AM
You can add scoliosis to his list of health issues

And Back acne from all the drugs.  Look how horrible his skin is.  yuck!!! 
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 04:27:28 AM
The challenge started in another thread I posted a back double bicep SC then post another partial shot at an angle in a mirror from a foot away he doesn’t want to post a legit back double bicep for a fair comparison he just wants to zoom in on a partial shot as always

The vote count situation is getting to you its ok

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 04:28:37 AM
And Back acne from all the drugs.  Look how horrible his skin is.  yuck!!!

Jesus man you want to talk about your cheekbones and skin tone why not just throw up a back double bicep already?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 04:30:16 AM
The vote count situation is getting to you its ok

Not really I will never get a fair shake around here and I still got 6 votes so yeah it’s close enough that an actual back double bicep shot to compare is needed to make the call but we don’t have one from Sc
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: delon on March 17, 2023, 04:33:36 AM
Not really I will never get a fair shake around here and I still got 6 votes so yeah it’s close enough that an actual back double bicep shot to compare is needed to make the call but we don’t have one from Sc

Good progress!
Just don't back track on this in an hour or so

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: GymnJuice on March 17, 2023, 04:34:27 AM
Not really I will never get a fair shake around here and I still got 6 votes so yeah it’s close enough that an actual back double bicep shot to compare is needed to make the call but we don’t have one from Sc

Hanky I think a poll between you and juiced MattC would be more competitive.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 04:35:14 AM
I will never get a fair shake around here
Did it ever occur to that it could be caused by the fact that you`re a fucking asshole to  everyone here.

Tough guy who makes killers nervous................. ..LOL  :D

Fucking punk ass bitch is more like it.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: tatoo on March 17, 2023, 04:35:48 AM
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Not really I will never get a fair shake around here and I still got 6 votes so yeah it’s close enough[/b] that an actual back double bicep shot to compare is needed to make the call but we don’t have one from Sc

close enough lol..... hahaha thats pathetic hankins.. youve never won a thing in your life have you?
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 04:36:34 AM
 8)
46 years old!

Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: wes on March 17, 2023, 04:40:55 AM
I win.
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: bhank on March 17, 2023, 05:19:56 AM
8)
46 years old!

The fuck you say you could fit two of you inside my back silhouette

I think this officially ends you trying to pretend to have ever had any size
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 05:21:43 AM
8)
46 years old!

Shredded
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 17, 2023, 05:23:39 AM
Not really I will never get a fair shake around here and I still got 6 votes so yeah it’s close enough that an actual back double bicep shot to compare is needed to make the call but we don’t have one from Sc

Its your attitude around here.  Attitude is everything.   You have been told that a million times and dont seem to grasp how much better a time you would have on GB if you were not such an AHOLE to everyone.     
Title: Re: Who has the better back development?
Post by: Never1AShow on March 17, 2023, 05:52:47 AM
To Hankys defense, it's clear that he has not hit the pose properly when that was taken, and he got a full belly, after a meal.

Even still, Soul Crushers back is twice the size of Hankensteins

So I beg to differ here.  The full belly stuff is speculating and irrelevant anyway.  I think he could hit the pose a little better, but even hitting it perfectly it'd maybe only be a tad better result, it makes obvious why he won't post one now