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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: sarcasm on April 28, 2006, 12:40:09 PM
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i was leafing through the 05 Olympia issue of Flex and was struck by the dramatic improvements you made in back thickness, do you credit any one movement for the improvement or just all the free weight rowing movements you did in 05?
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Yeah, Jay was actually matching or meeting ROnnie on nearly every back pose. COleman no longer has that advantage.
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IMO Jay has the best rear double biceps shot in the sport right now.
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IMO Jay has the best rear double biceps shot in the sport right now.
Hahahahahaha.......get some glasses ump ::)
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IMO Jay has the best rear double biceps shot in the sport right now.
Jay took the criticism in 01 and 03 and knew to beat Ronnie he would have to bring up his back. He has done so and is within distance of taking Ronnie down.
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IMO Jay has the best rear double biceps shot in the sport right now.
i dont think the best. i think ronnie and vidtor still have him. but he is great and made vast im provements noetheless.
he is as wide as ronnie now, but ronnie has beter thickness and detail...can see the christmas tree and you cant on jay. victor just cant be touched on lats though....hes crazy.
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i dont think the best. i think ronnie and vidtor still have him. but he is great and made vast im provements noetheless.
he is as wide as ronnie now, but ronnie has beter thickness and detail...can see the christmas tree and you cant on jay. victor just cant be touched on lats though....hes crazy.
Jay is light years ahead of Victor in terms of back thickness, density and even width, Victors lats look very high in that shot, that gives the illusion of more width, Jay's lower back is just as thick as Ronnie's but the Christmas tree is just a genetic thing i think.
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IMO Jay has the best rear double biceps shot in the sport right now.
Without a doubt! Jay wiped Coleman out in B.D.B last year!!
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Jay is light years ahead of Victor in terms of back thickness, density and even width, Victors lats look very high in that shot, that gives the illusion of more width, Jay's lower back is just as thick as Ronnie's but the Christmas tree is just a genetic thing i think.
Get some glasses, Jay's back is not wider and dense is the last word I would use to describe it ::)
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Without a doubt! Jay wiped Coleman out in B.D.B last year!!
Not even close to wiping him out. Jay still lacks the detail and separation Coleman has.
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Jay is light years ahead of Victor in terms of back thickness, density and even width, Victors lats look very high in that shot, that gives the illusion of more width, Jay's lower back is just as thick as Ronnie's but the Christmas tree is just a genetic thing i think.
im not sure i think i would have to see a side by side. victor back is just insane.
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Get some glasses, Jay's back is not wider and dense is the last word I would use to describe it ::)
Jay dwarfs you ::)
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Not even close to wiping him out. Jay still lacks the detail and separation Coleman has.
Dude, you gotta be kiddin me! In the past yes, but the playin field was leveled last year....width, density, seperation.......Jay's got it all.....I'm not takin nothin away from Big Ron, but IMHO Jay soundly beat Coleman in the BDB pose at the '05 O.
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Dude, you gotta be kiddin me! In the past yes, but the playin field was leveled last year....width, density, seperation.......Jay's got it all.....I'm not takin nothin away from Big Ron, but IMHO Jay soundly beat Coleman in the BDB pose at the '05 O.
He had the size but he definitely didn't have the separation or detail. Consult your local Yellow Pages to find an optometrist.
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Jay did make dramatic improvements but Ronnie was also down in weight a little. Ronnie's back was the biggest at the 2004 Grand Prix Holland at 303.
In 2005 their backs could be reasonably compared and debated. In 2004 Jay's back was pretty big as well. 2003 and earlier there is no debate to speak of, so Jay has definitely made some dramatic improvements. You should see Jay's back in the 2005 Battle for the Olympia, it was just sick. One of my friends wasn't a fan of Jay until he saw him train in that DVD.
i agree here Matt up until 04 Jay's back wasn't close to Ronnie's but i think Jay is extremely serious about taking this thing from Ronnie and now with some more quad sweep that might be possible.
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i agree here Matt up until 04 Jay's back wasn't close to Ronnie's but i think Jay is extremely serious about taking this thing from Ronnie and now with some more quad sweep that might be possible.
Yeah, he's gotta re-balance his legs again....circa '01'-02 they were outstanding......he's always ripped, but bring back the balanced size coupled with his new back and he'll dominate....especially with Coleman's tricep issue there's a serious chance the title will change hands.
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lol, if Ronnie joined this board they would all start kissing his ass too.
Maybe it isn't all that hard for a board to turn into a haven of asskissers. All it takes are a few like minded mods to ban anyone not kissing ass and voila.
To sarcasm's credit, I saw him making comments about Jay rightfully beating Ronnie months ago, long before Jay joined.
i'm not afraid to admit Jay's faults, he is a little asymmetrical, his quads have definitely come down in size and sweep but you have to give him his credit his back is dramatically improved.
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Will it be possible for Jay to present the overall better package on stage than Ronnie? Yes.
Will he win even if that does happen? No - or at the very least, I highly doubt it. That seems discouraging, but it's just how it is.
Here is a related thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=68213.0
Ronnie is going down this year. I will put money on it.
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Ronnie is going down this year. I will put money on it.
This is definitely the safest year to bet!!
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Ronnie is going down this year. I will put money on it.
justw ait and see, man...ronnie aint no punk.
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Ronnie is going down this year. I will put money on it.
Hahahaha...if he didn't win in 2001 I don't think he's going to win now ;D He looks great though.
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Look at all you fvckers havin a real bb conversation on Getbig!
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Seriously, Jay isn't even close to Ronnie. I saw the 2005 Olympia on INHD, and was blown away by how much bigger Ronnie is than everyone else. He makes huge guys like Jay Cutler and Branch Warren look small and underdeveloped. Ronnie's legs, back, chest, and arms look twice as big as Cutler's. He also has the most insane vascularity I've ever seen on a bodybuilder. It is truly a freaky sight to behold.
Cutler's frame can only hold so much mass. He looked much better around 220 lb. His waist is just too wide and blocky these days. Ronnie may have a gut, but he still has a relatively narrow waist and freakishly wide/thick lats. Ronnie's lats just hang off the side of his back.
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He had the size but he definitely didn't have the separation or detail. Consult your local Yellow Pages to find an optometrist.
My thoughts exactly. Jay's great but I don't think anyone will ever decisively beat Ronnie's BDB. Jay's has improved but that doesn't = better than Ronnie's.
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Hahahaha...if he didn't win in 2001 I don't think he's going to win now ;D He looks great though.
Ronnie is going down. No doubts about it. Jay will finally become Mr. O.
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Ronnie is going down. No doubts about it. Jay will finally become Mr. O.
We gotta get some wagers going. I'd put 100 on Ronnie repeating. The sport is just too rigged.
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We gotta get some wagers going. I'd put 100 on Ronnie repeating. The sport is just too rigged.
I'll put $100 on Jay winning. Are you up for it?
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I agree with sarcasm on some points, his legs went down a little in size (or maybe he got every else too big?) but the improvements on his back where incredible...the one year off thing preparing just for the O for sure paid off...
Just some good criticism i think, one of the best features of Jay i think was always the abs (the shape and the flat stomach). While his abs are still very good and years ahead of Ronnie, his waist got a little bigger, and his stomack (while defined) are not so flat as before....
I think he should get back to before on this part (like his 2001 and 2003 forms for instance) while maintaining the rest, if thats possible...
He´s not the king of aesthetics, but his wide-as-a-house shoulders give a good V frame to his body still, and he dont have (if have) any big flaw in his physique. Its easy to see that people only tell that his back is 'weak' when comparing to THE best back actually (of the actual Mr. O).
And besides this, while he has a completely great physique, he also has stand-out parts(legs, calves, shoulders), wich put him in advantage with guys like Cormier (wich dont have any stand-out parts...)
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Jay once said he doesn't do squats anymore because it makes his leggs grow too hard.
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I'll put $100 on Jay winning. Are you up for it?
So you get $100 if Jay wins, and I win $100 if ANYONE else besides Jay wins?
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So you get $100 if Jay wins, and I win $100 if ANYONE else besides Jay wins?
I thought you were betting on Ronnie. I uphold my bets too, I lost $100 because the Bills didn't make the playoffs when I guaranteed it in July of last year.
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i was leafing through the 05 Olympia issue of Flex and was struck by the dramatic improvements you made in back thickness, do you credit any one movement for the improvement or just all the free weight rowing movements you did in 05?
Translation, "Jay, I love you" "will you fuck me in the ass?"
Hey sarcasm, I know Jay pretty well, want me to put in the good word for you?
gotcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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He had the size but he definitely didn't have the separation or detail. Consult your local Yellow Pages to find an optometrist.
This is rich with irony coming from the toolbag that sang the praises of Chick after the Masters.
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This is rich with irony coming from the toolbag that sang the praises of Chick after the Masters.
Good thing he won the show!
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What's up with the gay stuff "rhino", do you want to tell us something?
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Good thing he won the show!
Yes, especially considering Chick lacked in detail and seperation, the two things LuciusFox says Cutler is missing. LOL
He rides the tail of Chick yet puts down Cutler, the undisputed second best bodybuilder on the planet.
What a tool.
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Yes, especially considering Chick lacked in detail and seperation, the two things LuciusFox says Cutler is missing. LOL
He rides the tail of Chick yet puts down Cutler, the undisputed second best bodybuilder on the planet.
What a tool.
Chick was separated at the Masters and was the clear winner. I think Cutler is awesome, he just doesn't have Ronnie's detail and separation. I don't see how people think he does.
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Translation, "Jay, I love you" "will you f**k me in the ass?"
Hey sarcasm, I know Jay pretty well, want me to put in the good word for you?
gotcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, I have fucking had it with you.
Why don't you be a man, and say this shit to my face?
If you had any balls you would, but you won't because you are a pussey, hiding behind a computer screen.
You had better pray, I mean pray, I never find out who you are, I will tear you to pieces.
Now print that f**k-face.
hahahahaha, so easy.
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Did anyone ever ansewer the question?? Probably more reverse grip barbell rows.....or shit tons of slin and growth....stupid ass bbbbiiiaatttccchhhhsssss ssssss :-*
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I'm definitely interested to hear Jays answer too. In his new video One step closer he says that he pretty much eliminated machine work and stuck to free weights going into the 05 season. He also said he was deadlifting every other time he trained back. He did make tremendous improvements in his arms and back. Watching that video you can really see what a freaking machine he is and how disciplined he is from day to day.
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Seriously, Jay isn't even close to Ronnie. I saw the 2005 Olympia on INHD, and was blown away by how much bigger Ronnie is than everyone else. He makes huge guys like Jay Cutler and Branch Warren look small and underdeveloped. Ronnie's legs, back, chest, and arms look twice as big as Cutler's. He also has the most insane vascularity I've ever seen on a bodybuilder. It is truly a freaky sight to behold.
Cutler's frame can only hold so much mass. He looked much better around 220 lb. His waist is just too wide and blocky these days. Ronnie may have a gut, but he still has a relatively narrow waist and freakishly wide/thick lats. Ronnie's lats just hang off the side of his back.
True that...
Like Ronnie says, you gotta be smokin crack to think that Jay is anywhere near Ronnie in terms of total body muscularity, thickness, vascularity, and here's a big one: CONDITIONING. I mean come on it's pretty sad that in this day and age Jay STILL can't come in with striated glutes, cause if he did, he would sacrafice alot of his trademark fullness, something that Ronnie brings more of even with his superior conditioning.
Yeah, yeah Jay spent a year doing a bunch of rows and actually did get his back a little thicker, but so fucken what? He lost a little width in the process from neglecting wide pulldowns, and it's still going to be several years before (and that is if he genetics can handle it) just his back alone will be able to compete with Ron's back in 05'. Then imagine how much better Ronnie's back will be by then!? :o
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Jay once said he doesn't do squats anymore because it makes his leggs grow too hard.
Maybe it's time for Jay to do it since his upper body dwarfs his legs
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Jay KILLS Ronald in the BDB now. Change is a good thing fellas
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ronnies gut looks horrible jay might have a wide waiste but at least it doesnt look like he's carrying a baby
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ronnies gut looks horrible jay might have a wide waiste but at least it doesnt look like he's carrying a baby
they both have distended stomachs. Jay just does a better job of keeping it flexed in.
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they both have distended stomachs. Jay just does a better job of keeping it flexed in.
That's because the Lord blessed him with a better torso, he's not just holding it in.
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the lord also blessed them with Gh
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The lord didn't didn't bless you guys at all. :D
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Ronnie has no calves and abs, and ronnie got a GuT
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the lord also blessed them with Gh
Hahahaha, yeah, I'll bet they drink a vial of GH instead of wine for communion :)
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i dont think the best. i think ronnie and vidtor still have him. but he is great and made vast im provements noetheless.
he is as wide as ronnie now, but ronnie has beter thickness and detail...can see the christmas tree and you cant on jay. victor just cant be touched on lats though....hes crazy.
jay pisses on ronnies back now !
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jay pisses on ronnies back now !
I hope you don't serve as an umpire at baseball games ::)
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jay needs muscularity
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jay pisses on ronnies back now !
pisses as in a golden shower
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jay needs muscularity
I agree. Jay still looks a little soft in back poses.
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You guys thinking Jay is better than Ron are delusional kids living in a fantasy world of Muscle-Tech ads. :'(
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You guys thinking Jay is better than Ron are delusional kids living in a fantasy world of Muscle-Tech ads. :'(
Hahahaha, cruel you are, BallzDeep69 ;D
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LOL... I have no sympathy for the mentally challenged.
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Jay is incredible
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68647.0;attach=76199;image)
Thats so cool! Jay do you like it? :)
Jay whats up with ROnnie back stage at the 2005 MR0 eating his bannana and not even looking at you while you walked by him. I think he feels your knocking on the door and hes being a babay. ;D
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68647.0;attach=76199;image)
Thats so cool! Jay do you like it? :)
Jay whats up with ROnnie back stage at the 2005 MR0 eating his bannana and not even looking at you while you walked by him. I think he feels your knocking on the door and hes being a babay. ;D
Maybe Ronnie was "psyching" Jay out. He won so it must have worked ;D
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Naaahh No way !
If you didnt see One step closer- Youll see Jay in the back with his warm up suit on, chilling out. Mitsu I think asked him "Seeing all these guys pumping up, does it do anything?" Jays like "Nah, its just a walk in the park for me" 8) Should see him dude, hes cooler than the other side of the pillow.. You see Kris DIm in the background, he looks like hes on cloud nine..I dunno, had this look on his face "Why am i here" lmao... ??? ;D
King Cutler 2006 Mr O.
Im Greek, and Zeus sent me a message and told me so. The god of gods. ;)
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So you get $100 if Jay wins, and I win $100 if ANYONE else besides Jay wins?
I WIN! :D
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I WIN! :D
holy shit, you dragged up this old ass thread for 100 bucks?
damn good memory you got, good luck collecting on that one :D
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holy shit, you dragged up this old ass thread for 100 bucks?
damn good memory you got, good luck collecting on that one :D
Survey says...? X X X!!
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where's 240? he'll just back out and say it ws a conspiracy to overthrow Ronnie ;D