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Current pros say they suffer to get in shape lol.
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Current pros say they suffer to get in shape lol.
Current pros are stuffing themselves full of carbs to offset all the insulin they take
I bet they never get hungry
Its pretty much impossible to be on keto and throwing in insulin
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The current crop over eats big time.
The bloat, the guts, etc... Can't compare to 70's/80's guys...
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Where did he get his vitamins from? ??? No wonder he's dead
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Where did he get his vitamins from? ??? No wonder he's dead
Liver is the most nutrient dense food on the planet, and he's still alive lol.
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Current pros are stuffing themselves full of carbs to offset all the insulin they take
I bet they never get hungry
Its pretty much impossible to be on keto and throwing in insulin
Bingo, was bodybuilding better before or after the introduction of insulin?
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how the hell did he stay so round and full with zero carb ??? ??? ???
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Bingo, was bodybuilding better before or after the introduction of insulin?
Impossible without Slin
(https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/big-ramy-at-mr-olympia.jpg)
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Where did he get his vitamins from? ??? No wonder he's dead
65 years old here, he's 70 now.
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how the hell did he stay so round and full with zero carb ??? ??? ???
sodium
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sodium
just sodium or all the electrolytes?
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For how many weeks? Good way to shed muscle.
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For how many weeks? Good way to shed muscle.
Danny Padilla said zero carbs for 4-6 weeks to cut up.
Remember they didnt put 50lb on offseason like todays guys
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The current crop over eats big time.
The bloat, the guts, etc... Can't compare to 70's/80's guys...
X 2............and today they look horrible !!
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Arnold and the Golds Gym crew ate meat and water pre-contest.....so I`ve read.
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Danny Padilla said zero carbs for 4-6 weeks to cut up.
Remember they didnt put 50lb on offseason like todays guys
P did it to?
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P did it to?
Sean Coombs?
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Sean Coombs?
Puffdaddy Of Peace :D
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Where did he get his vitamins from? ??? No wonder he's dead
Meat.
Even Vitamin C.
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Impossible without Slin
(https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/big-ramy-at-mr-olympia.jpg)
Guy sucks. Ruhl blows him away 20 years ago.
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Danny Padilla said zero carbs for 4-6 weeks to cut up.
Remember they didnt put 50lb on offseason like todays guys
It is not necessary. He also said all he used was deca.
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It is not necessary. He also said all he used was deca.
yeah that's right
forgot bout dat
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Arnold and the Golds Gym crew ate meat and water pre-contest.....so I`ve read.
Joe Gold was all meat no water. ;D
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i just cant imagine performing well aerobically without carbs ???
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Joe Gold was all meat no water and lube. ;D
fixed
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Joe Gold was all meat no water. ;D
LOL :D
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65 years old here, he's 70 now.
Looks huge for 65.
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Current pros say they suffer to get in shape lol.
Sounds about right. He was training at Bill Pearls gym right before he went up against Danny Padilla at the Universe. Preps back then were usually 4-6 weeks and it looked about like that. You suffered.
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65 years old here, he's 70 now.
The Magical Egyptian still going strong!
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i just cant imagine performing well aerobically without carbs ???
Eating only protein with basically zero carbs and fat makes your body turn almost anything you eat into glucose anyway.
That's why this is the dumbest diet you can follow, making your body transform a filet mignon into a dextrose shake ;D
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I assume the liver tabs are dessicated?
As is not in the type of tablets to protect his liver
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Eating only protein with basically zero carbs and fat makes your body turn almost anything you eat into glucose anyway.
That's why this is the dumbest diet you can follow, making your body transform a filet mignon into a dextrose shake ;D
Ketones.
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Eating only protein with basically zero carbs and fat makes your body turn almost anything you eat into glucose anyway.
That's why this is the dumbest diet you can follow, making your body transform a filet mignon into a dextrose shake ;D
Not strictly true as it's nearly impossible to do, but you're not far off. The Inuit who consume a high fat and very low carb diets are genetically adapted to avoid staying in ketosis.
Keto cultists just confuse the benefits of an elimination diet for a keto diet.
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Ketones.
U need a high fat diet to get into ketosis. Low carb AND low fat is BS, formula to transform protein into glucose and burn off muscle.
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I assume the liver tabs are dessicated?
As is not in the type of tablets to protect his liver
Yes, Vince Gironda (his coach) was a big believer in desiccated liver tablets.
U need a high fat diet to get into ketosis. Low carb AND low fat is BS, formula to transform protein into glucose and burn off muscle.
Seemed to work quite well for Serge Nubret. The guy went his whole career ripped and muscular, most importantly never injured.
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Yes, Vince Gironda (his coach) was a big believer in desiccated liver tablets.
Seemed to work quite well for Serge Nubret. The guy went his whole career ripped and muscular, most importantly never injured.
No wonder they're dead
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No wonder they're dead
Lol...he died mysteriously, he was poisoned
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I will probably upset some people by saying this and that is ok. BUT remember people respond differently to everything. Food, drugs, stress, love, death etc. However there is a norm with almost all humans. Not a complete but a "most humans" scenario. ( medicine comes to mind and what we need to be healthy etc) Anyways Humans do not need carbs. We make enough for our brain to use from protein. Humans are hunters and gatherers. We are supposed to eat meats and fats and if we are hungry we can eat apples or whatever but our main diet was supposed to be meat WITH the fat. The protein repaired and the fat provided a protein sparring affect and helped with hormone secretion etc.
Ever wonder why an egg is the perfect food? It doesn't have carbs ! Anyways back in the day meat and water was the diet to get cut. Did they look unhealthy? NO! Did they lose muscle when dieting for shows? NO ( very little) They looked great and no bloat! You can perform great without carbs for sports too but you have to get your body used to it. The human body actually likes to be in ketosis. It is happy. Blood sugar isn't up and down you have energy all the time and your not as hungry and more. Todays guys use so much gh which raises blood sugar they have to take lots of insulin and then they eat more etc. Viscious circle
Back in the day the guys would build up ( bulk up) . Get their size doing basic hard heavy workouts and eat normal. Then about 3 months before a show they would start dropping carbs and training lighter and more often. Very few did "cardio" ( which isn't fat loss it is called cardio because it helps the heart and lungs but people think it means fat loss) Then depending on how they looked about 6 weeks or so before the show they would tighten the diet. Drop all carbs completely. Then a week before the show stop training and then the day before the show or so they would carb load. It was a trial and error thing but once you got it down you had it.
Nowdays they have no clue what they doing and they change things so much they can't ever figure out what works. No clue about diet training drugs etc. They just do everything and they all look the exact same. Big bloated unhealthy sacks of shit with 50 inch waists.
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U need a high fat diet to get into ketosis. Low carb AND low fat is BS, formula to transform protein into glucose and burn off muscle.
Your body converts fat stores into ketones.
To get into ketosis quickly all you have to do is fast for a few days. No fat to eat is needed.
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I will probably upset some people by saying this and that is ok. BUT remember people respond differently to everything. Food, drugs, stress, love, death etc. However there is a norm with almost all humans. Not a complete but a "most humans" scenario. ( medicine comes to mind and what we need to be healthy etc) Anyways Humans do not need carbs. We make enough for our brain to use from protein. Humans are hunters and gatherers. We are supposed to eat meats and fats and if we are hungry we can eat apples or whatever but our main diet was supposed to be meat WITH the fat. The protein repaired and the fat provided a protein sparring affect and helped with hormone secretion etc.
Ever wonder why an egg is the perfect food? It doesn't have carbs ! Anyways back in the day meat and water was the diet to get cut. Did they look unhealthy? NO! Did they lose muscle when dieting for shows? NO ( very little) They looked great and no bloat! You can perform great without carbs for sports too but you have to get your body used to it. The human body actually likes to be in ketosis. It is happy. Blood sugar isn't up and down you have energy all the time and your not as hungry and more. Todays guys use so much gh which raises blood sugar they have to take lots of insulin and then they eat more etc. Viscious circle
Back in the day the guys would build up ( bulk up) . Get their size doing basic hard heavy workouts and eat normal. Then about 3 months before a show they would start dropping carbs and training lighter and more often. Very few did "cardio" ( which isn't fat loss it is called cardio because it helps the heart and lungs but people think it means fat loss) Then depending on how they looked about 6 weeks or so before the show they would tighten the diet. Drop all carbs completely. Then a week before the show stop training and then the day before the show or so they would carb load. It was a trial and error thing but once you got it down you had it.
Nowdays they have no clue what they doing and they change things so much they can't ever figure out what works. No clue about diet training drugs etc. They just do everything and they all look the exact same. Big bloated unhealthy sacks of shit with 50 inch waists.
Ah stop. You can eat carbs and get ripped, you can eat carbs and be healthy. Cardio helps loose fat. It's not all about carbs and how evil they are. Your an anti carb nazi.
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Ah stop. You can eat carbs and get ripped, you can eat carbs and be healthy. Cardio helps loose fat. It's not all about carbs and how evil they are. Your an anti carb nazi.
You cannot over the law of thermodynamics
It's all bout cals in Vs cals out
End of story
I can be ripped and dry on high carb and running test only no ai no fat burner no dht
In fact I am doing this right fucking now
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Ah stop. You can eat carbs and get ripped, you can eat carbs and be healthy. Cardio helps loose fat. It's not all about carbs and how evil they are. Your an anti carb nazi.
I'm not anti carb, I'm definitely anti plants for human consumption, haven't eaten a single plant in 2 years, look into anti nutrients, specifically phytates and oxalates, they bind to you and actually impede the absorption of vitamins and minerals, not to mention the soil is significantly depleted, and lastly the crops are sprayed with pesticides specifically glyphosade.
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Eating only protein with basically zero carbs and fat makes your body turn almost anything you eat into glucose anyway.
That's why this is the dumbest diet you can follow, making your body transform a filet mignon into a dextrose shake ;D
Thats kind of what I was thinking. Without a fuel source of fats/carbs, and at that level of bodyfat, your body will start utilizing muscle for fuel, no?
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Ah stop. You can eat carbs and get ripped, you can eat carbs and be healthy. Cardio helps loose fat. It's not all about carbs and how evil they are. Your an anti carb nazi.
Effort/reward ratio makes cardio for weight loss pretty pointless
An out in a staionary bike is around 250 cals , its a fuckin KitKat
You may as well watch a movie and not eat a Kit Kat
For health purposes (cardio vascular) its fine, fat loss pointless
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As far as I know, let me know if wrong, most studies show you cardio endurance goes down with zero carbs. I know there are a bunch of athletes who say they perform best with a carnivore diet.
As for the look on zero carbs, I kind of think it makes you stringy and hollowed out in the face and probably older looking too. Having watched bodybuilding I think the hardest athletes are the "high" carb ones. There was the European pro, forgot his name just now, who says he eats 1000 grams of carbs all the way to the show, and I think he carb loads with insulin with at least double the carbs. It's insane. No bloat too and very ripped but part of that is genetics.
Imagine if Makkawy would so that diet with while increasing protein by 30% and then included 150 carbs with insulin before every workout. Say 10iu insulin and 4iu growth. I would predict he would have leaned out further while putting on mass.
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As far as I know, let me know if wrong, most studies show you cardio endurance goes down with zero carbs. I know there are a bunch of athletes who say they perform best with a carnivore diet.
As for the look on zero carbs, I kind of think it makes you stringy and hollowed out in the face and probably older looking too. Having watched bodybuilding I think the hardest athletes are the "high" carb ones. There was the European pro, forgot his name just now, who says he eats 1000 grams of carbs all the way to the show, and I think he carb loads with insulin with at least double the carbs. It's insane. No bloat too and very ripped but part of that is genetics.
Imagine if Makkawy would so that diet with while increasing protein by 30% and then included 150 carbs with insulin before every workout. Say 10iu insulin and 4iu growth. I would predict he would have leaned out further while putting on mass.
Roman Fritz
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As far as I know, let me know if wrong, most studies show you cardio endurance goes down with zero carbs. I know there are a bunch of athletes who say they perform best with a carnivore diet.
As for the look on zero carbs, I kind of think it makes you stringy and hollowed out in the face and probably older looking too. Having watched bodybuilding I think the hardest athletes are the "high" carb ones. There was the European pro, forgot his name just now, who says he eats 1000 grams of carbs all the way to the show, and I think he carb loads with insulin with at least double the carbs. It's insane. No bloat too and very ripped but part of that is genetics.
Imagine if Makkawy would so that diet with while increasing protein by 30% and then included 150 carbs with insulin before every workout. Say 10iu insulin and 4iu growth. I would predict he would have leaned out further while putting on mass.
All I know is endurance wise I've never performed better, I swim 2 days a week, hike 1 day and lift the other 4. I'm currently training for a triathlon, I've never slept better in my adult life, I'm stronger than ever, all this miraculously happened when I cut out all plants, and bullshit supplements and powders. I'm 40 been on trt since 36, my labs over the last 2 years have been impeccable. My recovery is amazing, no aches, pains, etc. All I eat is grass fed beef, Pasture raised eggs, raw milk (on training days) and a half ounce of liver a day.
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carbs are pro sparing
you loss your muscle mass on a low carb diet
you can eat pure table sugar and be ripped
was eating 80-90% carbs on his fat loss diet
platz was eating 400 grams of carbs a day and was a ripped dry 2%
jesus!!! that guy @ 3:30 is fugly :-X :-X :-X
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Effort/reward ratio makes cardio for weight loss pretty pointless
An out hour in a staionary stationary bike is around 250 cals , its a fuckin KitKat
You may as well watch a movie and not eat a Kit Kat
For health purposes (cardio vascular) its fine, fat loss pointless
Points deducted for typing errors.
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Bhanky type TRT obviously
Anyway Go4it. Did you manage to sort out your gyno?
What's Bhankys trt? Go 4 it? I'm twice the size of him, guy was like 160lbs. My trt is 200 test, 1mg arimidex, and gonadorelin 25 units twice a week.
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I'll let you stay anon. I've deleted
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I'll let you stay anon. I've deleted
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Yes, Vince Gironda (his coach) was a big believer in desiccated liver tablets.
Seemed to work quite well for Serge Nubret. The guy went his whole career ripped and muscular, most importantly never injured.
Imagine believing the supplement companies bullshit about only being able to absorb 25gms protein per meal
Serge ate once a day, about 4lb meat
If you believe the bullshit you have to accept Serge built his physique on 25gms protein.
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Imagine believing the supplement companies bullshit about only being able to absorb 25gms protein per meal
Serge ate once a day, about 4lb meat
If you believe the bullshit you have to accept Serge built his physique on 25gms protein.
was it pre or post wo?
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was it pre or post wo?
not sure if thats a joke... ;D
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Imagine believing the supplement companies bullshit about only being able to absorb 25gms protein per meal
Serge ate once a day, about 4lb meat
If you believe the bullshit you have to accept Serge built his physique on 25gms protein.
Exactly, he would usually eat horse meat, later in his life I believe he switched over to beef.All the bullshit they spouted over the years and to this day is disgusting, we were all gullible and fell for it, its not like we could just go on Pubmed and search through studies, so we believed this shit. Lots of people especially in the carnivore world eat one meal a day like Dr. Shawn Baker., he seems to be assimilating his protein just fine.These days pre-workouts going $50 makes me laugh, and sadly people are still shelling out their hard earned money on it.
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not sure if thats a joke... ;D
nope
if i train without eating before my wo is shit sucksass
i think you should eat 2 meals minimum
but 4 is max
this 6 is horseshit
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Exactly, he would usually eat horse meat, later in his life I believe he switched over to beef.All the bullshit they spouted over the years and to this day is disgusting, we were all gullible and fell for it, its not like we could just go on Pubmed and search through studies, so we believed this shit. Lots of people especially in the carnivore world eat one meal a day like Dr. Shawn Baker., he seems to be assimilating his protein just fine.These days pre-workouts going $50 makes me laugh, and sadly people are still shelling out their hard earned money on it.
I don't see how the earlier recommendations were malicious. If they said you can absorb more protein then protein sales would go up, right? They just didn't know is my guess. They thought eggs would cause cholesterol issues, and why not, eggs contain cholesterol so it made sense. It wasn't until more studies that they changed the guidelines. So it's not malice or ulterior motives every time, stuff is bound to evolve. Though I am aware of different industries funding studies which they think will get them more money. But it's not necessarily rigged every time imo because research can be done in different countries all of which have different agendas.
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I don't see how the earlier recommendations were malicious. If they said you can absorb more protein then protein sales would go up, right? They just didn't know is my guess. They thought eggs would cause cholesterol issues, and why not, eggs contain cholesterol so it made sense. It wasn't until more studies that they changed the guidelines. So it's not malice or ulterior motives every time, stuff is bound to evolve. Though I am aware of different industries funding studies which they think will get them more money. But it's not necessarily rigged every time imo because research can be done in different countries all of which have different agendas.
If you can only absorb 25gms per meal then to get 200gms thats 8 meals a day
Thts not realistic, but 3 shakes a day between 5 meals is achievable
And the gram per lb was made up by people selling the fart powder as well
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If you can only absorb 25gms per meal then to get 200gms thats 8 meals a day
Thts not realistic, but 3 shakes a day between 5 meals is achievable
And the gram per lb was made up by people selling the fart powder as well
The bodybuilders themselves took the protein targets way beyond what the supp companies recommended. I think Gironda's weight loss diet was 36 eggs, 2lbs of meat and handfulls of liver tablets. The eggs were supposed to be blended with heavy cream. Nowadays the heavyweight bodybuilders most eat 400+ grams of protein, some even double that. I think if bodybuilders of a certain weight all eat
a certain average amount it's most likely close to the "correct" amount, or optimal amount. Things tend to evolve like that even without any science. The RDA says my protein for just baseline bodily functions is 80 grams a day and even just instinctively it stands to reason more is probably better for growing. I know lots of regular folks don't even hit that physiologically minimal amount. But the docs and experts still say you don't need a special diet to build muscle, even with plenty of research saying otherwise.
Though Mentzer said all you need is your baseline diet and a bite out of an apple to cover the growing demands with more energy LOL.
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carbs are pro sparing
you loss your muscle mass on a low carb diet
you can eat pure table sugar and be ripped
was eating 80-90% carbs on his fat loss diet
platz was eating 400 grams of carbs a day and was a ripped dry 2%
jesus!!! that guy @ 3:30 is fugly :-X :-X :-X
Tom appeared more ripped in 1981 from Mikes advice with seran wrap skin look because of fullness. Carbs fills out physiques. Carbs retains water in the muscles.
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Effort/reward ratio makes cardio for weight loss pretty pointless
An out in a staionary bike is around 250 cals , its a fuckin KitKat
You may as well watch a movie and not eat a Kit Kat
For health purposes (cardio vascular) its fine, fat loss pointless
Not at all my experience. Its not about how many cals are burnt during cardio its the metabolic boost and overall thermic effect.
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I'm not anti carb, I'm definitely anti plants for human consumption, haven't eaten a single plant in 2 years, look into anti nutrients, specifically phytates and oxalates, they bind to you and actually impede the absorption of vitamins and minerals, not to mention the soil is significantly depleted, and lastly the crops are sprayed with pesticides specifically glyphosade.
The body can break all that down. I grew up with organic gardening produce and credit it to my robust system.
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the first protein powder that I ever bought was from Mohamed Makkawy himself from a little shop he had in the late 80s.
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I think, like most things, keto/carnivore is highly individual. When I first used keto/low carb. I felt like shit and looked skinny fat. I think it was because I had to sort of reprogram myself to get over the fear of eating high fat.
Once I got the ratios right, which for me is similar carbs to protein in grams but obviously about double fat in terms of calories to protein, I was able to get lean and retain muscle.
Im just now learning how to use sodium which I also always thought was a no no.
Whenever I tried high carbs/low fat, it works great for about a month or so....then I start to look like shit after that. Some people just cannot tolerate low carb though. It can be difficult if you're not ready for the initial depletion.
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The bodybuilders themselves took the protein targets way beyond what the supp companies recommended. I think Gironda's weight loss diet was 36 eggs, 2lbs of meat and handfulls of liver tablets. The eggs were supposed to be blended with heavy cream. Nowadays the heavyweight bodybuilders most eat 400+ grams of protein, some even double that. I think if bodybuilders of a certain weight all eat
a certain average amount it's most likely close to the "correct" amount, or optimal amount. Things tend to evolve like that even without any science. The RDA says my protein for just baseline bodily functions is 80 grams a day and even just instinctively it stands to reason more is probably better for growing. I know lots of regular folks don't even hit that physiologically minimal amount. But the docs and experts still say you don't need a special diet to build muscle, even with plenty of research saying otherwise.
Though Mentzer said all you need is your baseline diet and a bite out of an apple to cover the growing demands with more energy LOL.
you know of the 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mgs test study right? well every particpant eat 1.3 grams of pro per kilo and,,,, 125 gained some muscle, 300 gained more and 600 gained even more
so.... if that's too low why did the 600 group gain so much muslce like 18 pounds worth
again, THEY ALL ATE 1.3 GRAMNS ;)
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Tom appeared more ripped in 1981 from Mikes advice with seran wrap skin look because of fullness. Carbs fills out physiques. Carbs retains water in the muscles.
yep yep
cals and carbs are very very very low right now as i head towards 5% bf
once i hit my goal of sub-5 i will put the carbs back in and... i'm guessing i will add 3-5 pounds back all water/muscle
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big paul steps in @ 11:50
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the first protein powder that I ever bought was from Mohamed Makkawy himself from a little shop he had in the late 80s.
Did he throw some roids in with the purchase?
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What's Bhankys trt? Go 4 it? I'm twice the size of him, guy was like 160lbs. My trt is 200 test, 1mg arimidex, and gonadorelin 25 units twice a week.
I apologize my ignorance, is Gonadorelin the same as Pregnyl? And if so, why do you take it? To mantain some reproductive function?
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Carbs are NOT needed. PERIOD. Show me where the fda or any thing says how many carbs a day a person needs? I will wait. . . . . They tell you how much vitamins fat protein and even water! But do they list carbs? NO! Now real quick before the know it all carb lovers say "well it depends on how active you are". SMH. ALL nutrients depend on how active you are!! Carbs are a secondary energy source. We can eat them in between hunting for real food if we need to. All carnivores or like that. They prefer meat and fat but can eat carbs when needed.
Do we need all this protein guys say they are taking in? NO. It is over kill and their kidneys show it. But we think "more is better and even more is better yet". Same with steroids booze sex etc. ( well more sex is a good thing lol) Use fat with protein or use carbs with protein ( both ways has a protein sparing effect) but not all 3 together or you will in fact get fat if your intake of calories is higher than your output and by taking all 3 together it can happen super easy.
Yes you can get lean eating carbs and you can get lean when eating fat. The human body likes to be on a fat and protein diet. It improves EVERYTHING. Most people will use every bullshit excuse in the world to keep eating carbs ( its easier for them) because they like carbs!! ( we all do) That is why the contest dieting back in the day used to "make a champion or not" It was hard. But it works and works well. Train on an empty stomach is always better ( regardless of what you read or feel personally) Just like doing real keto it takes the body time to adjust because it wants the food the carbs the sugars etc and tries to convince you to give in. But once you overcome it all you will be much happier and your workouts and diets will be more productive
I am not trying to convince anyone of anything I am just voicing truths. Whatever works for you is fine. The mind is powerful. But you have to be willing to try and give it your all . Carbs and fat diets are like fords vs chevys. Chevy lovers will drive a ford to death beat the hell out of it no oil change no tune up etc and then when something happens they say "see fords are shit" ( and ford people do the same to chevys) But if you took care of it treated it good like you would your chosen type of car then see what happens. Give it the best chance. Then if you dont like it ok . SAME with carbs vs fats .
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any low cal diet is hard and painful
i'm in the midst of this fucking shit right now
mario depausqule had the wwe bb guys in keto in the 90s and they loooked like shit :-X :-X :-X
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I apologize my ignorance, is Gonadorelin the same as Pregnyl? And if so, why do you take it? To mantain some reproductive function?
It's similar to hcg, my doctor requires all his patients take it with their trt protocol, so basically I think it keeps your balls working.
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any low cal diet is hard and painful
i'm in the midst of this fucking shit right now
mario depausqule had the wwe bb guys in keto in the 90s and they loooked like shit :-X :-X :-X
Post pics.
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any low cal diet is hard and painful
i'm in the midst of this fucking shit right now
mario depausqule had the wwe bb guys in keto in the 90s and they loooked like shit :-X :-X :-X
They looked like shit because they had to get off the juice, meanwhile Strydom was fully loaded.
Palumbo, Chad Nichols, Skip Hill all took a page from DiPasquale, they deplete their guys then refeed them, it's super compensation, very low or zero carb 5 days a week, high carb on weekends, keeps you insulin sensitivity high
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Post pics.
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any low cal diet is hard and painful
i'm in the midst of this fucking shit right now
mario depausqule had the wwe bb guys in keto in the 90s and they loooked like shit :-X :-X :-X
Ha....those guys were drug tested thats why most looked off. But then the diet only works IF you follow it. Mike Quinn was on a high fat diet then went off the rails and ate whatever the fuck he wanted. He ended up being on a high calorie diet. High carbs, high fats, high calories and looked like a whale.
Jim Quinn, Strydom, Baker and Demey all looked good. Jim Quinn was hard and veiny as a cock.
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Ha....those guys were drug tested thats why most looked off. But then the diet only works IF you follow it. Mike Quinn was on a high fat diet then went off the rails and ate whatever the fuck he wanted. He ended up being on a high calorie diet. High carbs, high fats, high calories and looked like a whale.
Jim Quinn, Strydom, Baker and Demey all looked good. Jim Quinn was hard and veiny as a cock.
in heavy duty 1 mentzer said baker was a flat 205 and under his training he shot up to 254 HARD AND FULL
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Ha....those guys were drug tested thats why most looked off. But then the diet only works IF you follow it. Mike Quinn was on a high fat diet then went off the rails and ate whatever the fuck he wanted. He ended up being on a high calorie diet. High carbs, high fats, high calories and looked like a whale.
Jim Quinn, Strydom, Baker and Demey all looked good. Jim Quinn was hard and veiny as a cock.
No they werent, most of them would fail a drug test due to them being juicing for years, they would need at least a year to clean out
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Ha....those guys were drug tested thats why most looked off. But then the diet only works IF you follow it. Mike Quinn was on a high fat diet then went off the rails and ate whatever the fuck he wanted. He ended up being on a high calorie diet. High carbs, high fats, high calories and looked like a whale.
Jim Quinn, Strydom, Baker and Demey all looked good. Jim Quinn was hard and veiny as a cock.
Mike Quinn always struggled dieting. The guaranteed WBF paycheck probably made him even lazier.