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Title: clavicle widening
Post by: MAXX on July 14, 2024, 02:18:01 PM
there's hope for narrow bodybuilders  :D

did't know this was a thing I figured there was too many other things limiting other than the clavicle bones. apparantly not, it's only that bone.

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: mops on July 14, 2024, 02:22:09 PM
^^^^^

(https://i.postimg.cc/SRbCVDq7/Screenshot-20240714-232032.jpg)
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 02:26:38 PM
^^^^^

(https://i.postimg.cc/SRbCVDq7/Screenshot-20240714-232032.jpg)
;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: illuminati on July 14, 2024, 02:29:18 PM
there's hope for narrow bodybuilders  :D

did't know this was a thing I figured there was too many other things limiting other than the clavicle bones. apparantly not, it's only that bone.



Bianca needs to save up for that  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 02:30:58 PM
Fuck that noise..just work lateral head of delts harder....cut back on heavy trap work and frequency to avoid getting a sloped shouldered appearance....train your lats harder,and keep your waist as small as possible.

I`ve never been operated on in my life, and for something that stupid,I`d pass.....even if it meant one less plastic trophy.  :D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 14, 2024, 02:34:46 PM
Fuck that noise..just work lateral head of delts harder....cut back on heavy trap work and frequency to avoid getting a sloped shouldered appearance....train your lats harder,and keep your waist as small as possible.

I`ve never been operated on in my life, and for something that stupid,I`d pass.....even if it meant one less plastic trophy.  :D

Bingo!

We have a winner
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: a_pupil on July 14, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
I can't be the only one who tried that pullovers to expand the ribcage bro science back in the day  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 02:41:37 PM
I can't be the only one who tried that pullovers to expand the ribcage bro science back in the day  ;D
Guilty...immediately followed by 20 Rep Breathing squats !  LOL  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 14, 2024, 02:41:42 PM
I can't be the only one who tried that pullovers to expand the ribcage bro science back in the day  ;D
If you didnt do 20 rep squats in-between you were wasting your time
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 02:43:06 PM
If you didnt do 20 rep squats in-between you were wasting your time
Great minds think alike!  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 14, 2024, 02:48:44 PM
Bianca needs to save up for that  ;D

Bhanky should put that on his list.

Not sure which order these should be done in:

Hair transplant
Pec tendon fix
Lat implant
Clavicle widening
Thigh implant
Calf implant
Personality implant
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: 1Patrick on July 14, 2024, 02:54:37 PM
Phil is banging his head right now why this type of surgery was not around earlier in his career.
Another stupid idea just like this one:

https://people.com/georgia-man-paid-usd80k-for-painful-limb-lengthening-surgery-to-grow-to-6-feet-7552528

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 14, 2024, 03:06:14 PM
Great minds think alike!  ;D

we both lived through that shit together.. ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 03:12:32 PM
we both lived through that shit together.. ;D
Yes,we did!  :D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Lartinos on July 14, 2024, 03:23:13 PM
Bhanky should put that on his list.

Not sure which order these should be done in:

Hair transplant
Pec tendon fix
Lat implant
Clavicle widening
Thigh implant
Calf implant
Personality implant

While he’s at it he can get that limb lengthening surgery and actual be the 5’11 he claims.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 14, 2024, 03:31:20 PM
Wide clavicles are actually a negative in bb if you think about it
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: illuminati on July 14, 2024, 04:24:02 PM
Bhanky should put that on his list.

Not sure which order these should be done in:

Hair transplant
Pec tendon fix
Lat implant
Clavicle widening
Thigh implant
Calf implant
Personality implant

Yep & the implants in the withered right biceps & triceps.

That'll keep his surgeon busy & well paid for a while.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: mops on July 14, 2024, 04:34:47 PM
we both lived through that shit together.. ;D

Yes,we did!  :D

hahaha me too
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 14, 2024, 04:47:25 PM
Yep & the implants in the withered right biceps & triceps.

That'll keep his surgeon busy & well paid for a while.

If he has everything fixed there won't be any money left for Em to get in the divorce.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: illuminati on July 14, 2024, 05:10:08 PM
If he has everything fixed there won't be any money left for Em to get in the divorce.

Ha ha ha ,  well he'll have to sell the Spazmobile Trike  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Bevo on July 14, 2024, 05:15:12 PM
Bhanky should put that on his list.

Not sure which order these should be done in:

Hair transplant
Pec tendon fix
Lat implant
Clavicle widening
Thigh implant
Calf implant
Personality implant

Face implant
Cock implant
Height extension

The list goes on
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 05:20:16 PM
hahaha me too
Three old bastards !  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: mops on July 14, 2024, 05:40:30 PM
Three old bastards !  ;D

 ;D

(https://i.postimg.cc/nhF7FRhW/Screenshot-20240715-023901.jpg)
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 14, 2024, 05:43:13 PM
;D

(https://i.postimg.cc/nhF7FRhW/Screenshot-20240715-023901.jpg)
LOL  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on July 15, 2024, 12:57:58 AM
Guilty...immediately followed by 20 Rep Breathing squats !  LOL  ;D
I about killed myself on that program.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 15, 2024, 01:13:09 AM
I about killed myself on that program.
It wasn`t very much fun !  :D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 15, 2024, 02:00:35 AM
Decades ago at a nearby unversity there was a study linking the widening of clavicles and competitive swimming during puberty. Once the athlete aged, that effect got negligible.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: BEEFCAKE on July 15, 2024, 02:09:59 AM
Decades ago at a nearby unversity there was a study linking the widening of clavicles and competitive swimming during puberty. Once the athlete aged, that effect got negligible.

how do your giant woodchuck teeth affect your swimming ability? do they create Hydrodynamic drag ?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 15, 2024, 03:20:23 AM
how do your giant woodchuck teeth affect your swimming ability? do they create Hydrodynamic drag ?

Who's the gimmick now?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 03:43:39 AM
Decades ago at a nearby unversity there was a study linking the widening of clavicles and competitive swimming during puberty. Once the athlete aged, that effect got negligible.

A few years ago several doctors complained of parents asking for Anavar, Armidex and GH for their young kids. Estrogen seals the growth plates and Arimidex has been shown to increase adult height when used during puberty. Anavar doesn't convert to estrogen and seemingly doesn't affect adult height, maybe even increases it, and GH could boost adult height as well. Perhaps these might increase the size of the skeleton  in general too, apart from height? So some parents are maybe too willing to experiment on their kids for possible sports glory.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 15, 2024, 03:57:47 AM
A few years ago several doctors complained of parents asking for Anavar, Armidex and GH for their young kids. Estrogen seals the growth plates and Arimidex has been shown to increase adult height when used during puberty. Anavar doesn't convert to estrogen and seemingly doesn't affect adult height, maybe even increases it, and GH could boost adult height as well. Perhaps these might increase the size of the skeleton  in general too, apart from height? So some parents are maybe too willing to experiment on their kids for possible sports glory.

I thought it was test. Hence why kids who juice to soon halt their growth.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 04:11:35 AM
I thought it was test. Hence why kids who juice to soon halt their growth.

Well yes, depends on how you look at it. Test can seal the plates since a percentage converts to estrogen. I guess you could use test with Arimidex to avoid it but Anavar never increases estrogen, it will drastically reduce it if no other aromatising drugs are used. Anavar shuts down natural test production so now you have no substrate for estrogen since estrogen almost completely comes from testosterone. Tall girls not infrequently want to suppress adult height, because it may be harder for them to find a partner, and they are given estrogen for this.

I don't think it has really been examined how much test use in the teens might affect adult height, there's obvious ethical conerns, but the theory is solid.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 15, 2024, 05:10:17 AM
Well yes, depends on how you look at it. Test can seal the plates since a percentage converts to estrogen. I guess you could use test with Arimidex to avoid it but Anavar never increases estrogen, it will drastically reduce it if no other aromatising drugs are used. Anavar shuts down natural test production so now you have no substrate for estrogen since estrogen almost completely comes from testosterone. Tall girls not infrequently want to suppress adult height, because it may be harder for them to find a partner, and they are given estrogen for this.

I don't think it has really been examined how much test use in the teens might affect adult height, there's obvious ethical conerns, but the theory is solid.

I believe height is mostly genetic determined. Poor nutrition can make people shorter also. Here in Portugal people my age are always taller than their parents, and i am convinced it is due to better nutrition, since my parents grew during extreme poverty, due to shitty political options and the aftermath of 2nd world war.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 06:12:39 AM
I believe height is mostly genetic determined. Poor nutrition can make people shorter also. Here in Portugal people my age are always taller than their parents, and i am convinced it is due to better nutrition, since my parents grew during extreme poverty, due to shitty political options and the aftermath of 2nd world war.

Definitely genetics and it's thought of as true that better nutrition/more calories accounts for the adult height increase in many countries. It's always taken as true by scientists, also IQ is lowered by lack of adequate nutrition. Or perhaps toxic metal ingestion in some countries.
But you can today manipulate adult height somewhat. Either to stop height growth, mostly in women, or to increase adult height. Arimidex or Letrozole and GH have both been shown to increase adult height. Both in combination have also been looked at but apparently the sample is too small to draw firm conclusions about the combo, if they are additive or even perhaps synergistic. I've also seen articles on the ethics of trying to increase height but they say some doctors continue to provide help with these drugs despite ethics concerns. I'm also positive that some parents obtain these drugs on the black market. There is some concern that estrogen suppression might affect bone mineralisation negatively. As we know estrogen loss may cause bone loss after menopause but what happens when it's suppressed in the teens?

EDIT: When I was young, my 15 year old training partner complained of his short stature all the time. I told him to ask a doc about getting GH. He did and the doc measured his testicles and said too lste for intervention, the thought being his test was already very high, and subsequently estrogen and the growth plates were already sealed. Poor guy has always been self conscious of his height for decades. His GF he made a baby with is a head taller than him lol.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: 1Patrick on July 15, 2024, 06:27:33 AM
Agreed on DNA genes and nutrition .American kids eating shit fast food in poor neighborhoods look like grown men .On the other hand poor South  Americans are short
Also .depends  who you getting your genetics from.
Lebron is 6’7” but Bronny is 6’1”.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 06:55:51 AM
Agreed on DNA genes and nutrition .American kids eating shit fast food in poor neighborhoods look like grown men .On the other hand poor South  Americans are short
Also .depends  who you getting your genetics from.
Lebron is 6’7” but Bronny is 6’1”.

Overfeeding kids also make them enter puberty earlier, I seem to remember ages like 9 years old but maybe thst is not correct average age. The earlier puberty is not due to hormones in milk or meat as some assume, it's a result of calories.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: 1Patrick on July 15, 2024, 07:38:32 AM
Overfeeding kids also make them enter puberty earlier, I seem to remember ages like 9 years old but maybe thst is not correct average age. The earlier puberty is not due to hormones in milk or meat as some assume, it's a result of calories.
100%
Young girls getting period at 9 is result of it .
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 15, 2024, 09:01:54 AM
Overfeeding kids also make them enter puberty earlier, I seem to remember ages like 9 years old but maybe thst is not correct average age. The earlier puberty is not due to hormones in milk or meat as some assume, it's a result of calories.

is this the reason dj181 has never grown up?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: mops on July 15, 2024, 09:20:19 AM
Definitely genetics and it's thought of as true that better nutrition/more calories accounts for the adult height increase in many countries. It's always taken as true by scientists, also IQ is lowered by lack of adequate nutrition. Or perhaps toxic metal ingestion in some countries.
But you can today manipulate adult height somewhat. Either to stop height growth, mostly in women, or to increase adult height. Arimidex or Letrozole and GH have both been shown to increase adult height. Both in combination have also been looked at but apparently the sample is too small to draw firm conclusions about the combo, if they are additive or even perhaps synergistic. I've also seen articles on the ethics of trying to increase height but they say some doctors continue to provide help with these drugs despite ethics concerns. I'm also positive that some parents obtain these drugs on the black market. There is some concern that estrogen suppression might affect bone mineralisation negatively. As we know estrogen loss may cause bone loss after menopause but what happens when it's suppressed in the teens?

EDIT: When I was young, my 15 year old training partner complained of his short stature all the time. I told him to ask a doc about getting GH. He did and the doc measured his testicles and said too lste for intervention, the thought being his test was already very high, and subsequently estrogen and the growth plates were already sealed. Poor guy has always been self conscious of his height for decades. His GF he made a baby with is a head taller than him lol.

That's a very interesting point.

Another argument supporting the estrogen thing is the profile of the gene coding for androgen receptors - a phenomenon called genetic polymorphism.

The gene coding for AR is composed of CAG codon repeats that can range from 6 to 39. ( C stands for cytosine ; A for adenine ; G for guanine.)

Men born with AR gene containing shorter CAG repeats (up to 23) tend to be more androgen sensitive. If at puberty you experienced severe acne, hirsutism, oily skin and even noticed early signs of baldness later on, chances are that you were born with short CAG repeats.

On the other hand, longer CAG repeats translate into a much lower sensitivity to endogenous androgens. This population of males produce less test on average, and are partially insensitive to androgens, whereas estrogen production tends to be higher.

P.S. : I hope MajorDomo doesn't call me an idiot if he reads this  ;D

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 15, 2024, 09:26:03 AM
Please stay on topic in Bhanky's clavicle widening thread.

Thank you.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: irishdave on July 15, 2024, 10:27:24 AM
That's a very interesting point.

Another argument supporting the estrogen thing is the profile of the genes coding for androgen receptor - a phenomenon called genetic polymorphism.

The gene coding for AR is composed of CAG codon repeats that can range from 6 to 39. ( C stands for cytosine ; A for adenine ; G for guanine.)

Men born with AR genes containing shorter CAG repeats (up to 23) tend to be more androgen sensitive. If at puberty you suffered from severe acne, hirsutism, oily skin and even noticed early signs of baldness later on, chances are that you were born with short CAG repeats.

On the other hand, longer CAG repeats translate into a much lower sensitivity to endogenous androgens. This population of males produce less test on average, and are partially insensitive to androgens, whereas estrogen production tends to be higher.

P.S. : I hope MajorDomo doesn't call me an idiot if he reads this  ;D

He is a complete and utter retard

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: MAXX on July 15, 2024, 10:34:54 AM
Overfeeding kids also make them enter puberty earlier, I seem to remember ages like 9 years old but maybe thst is not correct average age. The earlier puberty is not due to hormones in milk or meat as some assume, it's a result of calories.
hey is there any truth to there being alot of estrogen in cow milk from the stores?

I gave my kids lots of milk in hope of them growing taller and covering nutritional basis in case they didnt eat well some days. But maybe it will have opposite effect if the milk contains estrogen
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: _bruce_ on July 15, 2024, 10:36:04 AM
Why not make his head smaller - just call the Mafia... they sure would love to meet a fellow "tough man".
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 15, 2024, 11:42:36 AM
is this the reason dj181 has never grown up?
Self admitted narcisists are children yes, trying to overcome the childhood trauma. They never grew up, just developed a false self to overcome the pain. Sad when you think about it, but their conscious disregard for others makes it hard to feel sympathy for them.

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 12:04:39 PM
hey is there any truth to there being alot of estrogen in cow milk from the stores?

I gave my kids lots of milk in hope of them growing taller and covering nutritional basis in case they didnt eat well some days. But maybe it will have opposite effect if the milk contains estrogen

It depends on if you believe in "them" wilfully "poisoning us." :D I wouldn't worry about it, I kind of trust the authorities make sure the milk is estrogen free. EDIT: I saw a claim that milk contains "high amounts of estrogen naturally" but I thik if that was true it would lower testosterone and even stunt height growth. Some worry about other "growth hormones" used on cows and I think antibiotics too. I'd like to think all the smart people in the world would have made the link by now of milk and freaky stuff happening. Of course lots of people think cow's milk is "not supposed to be taken by humans." They do give American cattle trenbolone but assure us it's all gone by the time of slaughter. What did happen like on the early 90s is people being clenbuterol poisoned by eating the livers of some animals, ended up in hospital with the clen shakes lol.

I drank a ton of milk as a child but I don't know if it fucked me up. I still love it and drink about 2L a day. I think it's great after training too, in Sweden they promote is as "natures sports drink." It rehydrates you better than water due to the sodium but also due to the protein and fat. A couple of decades ago some nutrition experts like Alan Aragon thought regular chocolate milk was basically the same as what supplement companies sold as post workout drinks, just quick carbs and protein.

There is the claim that milk causes cancers, because it's so anabolic.
It's thought to be related to an increase in IGF-1. Some have claimed that milk contains absorbable IGF-1 but others think the increase in IGF-1 due to the proteins in milk, as well as the fat and carbs, likely increases the risk of lifetime cancers. I personally don't worry about it.

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: 38 returns on July 15, 2024, 12:10:34 PM
Guilty...immediately followed by 20 Rep Breathing squats !  LOL  ;D

I remember that

was convinced it worked too!

was it Randall someone super squats!
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 12:22:31 PM
I did the breathing squats, pullover combo too.

Now that I think of it, earlier there was the Reeves deadlift too. It was supposed to widen the clavicles.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 12:26:24 PM
Self admitted narcisists are children yes, trying to overcome the childhood trauma. They never grew up, just developed a false self to overcome the pain. Sad when you think about it, but their conscious disregard for others makes it hard to feel sympathy for them.

I'm not such a dickhead

I took Molly before going to the prostitute last night and I could only get it hard the first 30 minutes so the rest of the 90 minutes we just cuddled

I told her I feel bad about using her and she said so you've come to your senses?

So Molly had my cock get soft and made me more empathetic

Empathy is one trait I'm very weak in

So next time I go to the clubs I'll take half a Molly and I'll know I probably won't be able to get it up but that's not a huge issue coz girls here rarely do ONS both foreigns and Russian guys told me this

Thing is that I get angry and resentful that I have to play the game and I just can't go up and say hey sexy girl let's have some fun it don't go like that you can't be so direct so I just get tense and pissed but Molly does the soften the edge and at that party on Saturday I don't even try to talk with any females as only 3 or 4 of them were sexable for me and they all were with dudes

Id watch these pick up artists in Poland strike out constantly and I'd wonder why they don't get so pissed and offended by it, and I'd think to myself how can you take all this rejection so easily

But the french guy did show some anger and resentment by saying to them you have a fat and stinky pussy which was very uncalled but he was quite a dickhead

Think I told you the coolest guys I met were Spanish and Italian so I bet you'd probably be like them
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: irishdave on July 15, 2024, 12:29:21 PM
I'm not such a dickhead

I took Molly before going to the prostitute last night and I could only get it hard the first 30 minutes so the rest of the 90 minutes we just cuddled

I told her I feel bad about using her and she said so you've come to your senses?

So Molly had my cock get soft and made me more empathetic

Empathy is one trait I'm very weak in

So next time I go to the clubs I'll take half a Molly and I'll know I probably won't be able to get it up but that's not a huge issue coz girls here rarely do ONS both foreigns and Russian guys told me this

Thing is that I get angry and resentful that I have to play the game and I just can't go up and say hey sexy girl let's have some fun it don't go like that you can't be so direct so I just get tense and pissed but Molly does the soften the edge and at that party on Saturday I don't even try to talk with any females as only 3 or 4 of them were sexable for me and they all were with dudes

Id watch these pick up artists in Poland strike out constantly and I'd wonder why they don't get so pissed and offended by it, and I'd think to myself how can you take all this rejection so easily

But the french guy did show some anger and resentment by saying to them you have a fat and stinky pussy which was very uncalled but he was quite a dickhead

Think I told you the coolest guys I met were Spanish and Italian so I bet you'd probably be like them

You have no empathy you are pretending my friend. I know and you know the medications cannot manifest this in your stunted brain
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 12:34:09 PM
It depends on if you believe in "them" wilfully "poisoning us." :D I wouldn't worry about it, I kind of trust the authorities make sure the milk is estrogen free. EDIT: I saw a claim that milk contains "high amounts of estrogen naturally" but I thik if that was true it would lower testosterone and even stunt height growth. Some worry about other "growth hormones" used on cows and I think antibiotics too. I'd like to think all the smart people in the world would have made the link by now of milk and freaky stuff happening. Of course lots of people think cow's milk is "not supposed to be taken by humans." They do give American cattle trenbolone but assure us it's all gone by the time of slaughter. What did happen like on the early 90s is people being clenbuterol poisoned by eating the livers of some animals, ended up in hospital with the clen shakes lol.

I drank a ton of milk as a child but I don't know if it fucked me up. I still love it and drink about 2L a day. I think it's great after training too, in Sweden they promote is as "natures sports drink." It rehydrates you better than water due to the sodium but also due to the protein and fat. A couple of decades ago some nutrition experts like Alan Aragon thought regular chocolate milk was basically the same as what supplement companies sold as post workout drinks, just quick carbs and protein.

There is the claim that milk causes cancers, because it's so anabolic.
It's thought to be related to an increase in IGF-1. Some have claimed that milk contains absorbable IGF-1 but others think the increase in IGF-1 due to the proteins in milk, as well as the fat and carbs, likely increases the risk of lifetime cancers. I personally don't worry about it.

Milk is the only animal protein that has carbs so imo it's the absolute top of the animal proteins

I drink a liter a day which gives me 32 grams of protein

The rest of my protein comes from white fish and casein and hamburgers from McDonalds or burger king once or twice a week
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: MAXX on July 15, 2024, 12:53:43 PM
It depends on if you believe in "them" wilfully "poisoning us." :D I wouldn't worry about it, I kind of trust the authorities make sure the milk is estrogen free. EDIT: I saw a claim that milk contains "high amounts of estrogen naturally" but I thik if that was true it would lower testosterone and even stunt height growth. Some worry about other "growth hormones" used on cows and I think antibiotics too. I'd like to think all the smart people in the world would have made the link by now of milk and freaky stuff happening. Of course lots of people think cow's milk is "not supposed to be taken by humans." They do give American cattle trenbolone but assure us it's all gone by the time of slaughter. What did happen like on the early 90s is people being clenbuterol poisoned by eating the livers of some animals, ended up in hospital with the clen shakes lol.

I drank a ton of milk as a child but I don't know if it fucked me up. I still love it and drink about 2L a day. I think it's great after training too, in Sweden they promote is as "natures sports drink." It rehydrates you better than water due to the sodium but also due to the protein and fat. A couple of decades ago some nutrition experts like Alan Aragon thought regular chocolate milk was basically the same as what supplement companies sold as post workout drinks, just quick carbs and protein.

There is the claim that milk causes cancers, because it's so anabolic.
It's thought to be related to an increase in IGF-1. Some have claimed that milk contains absorbable IGF-1 but others think the increase in IGF-1 due to the proteins in milk, as well as the fat and carbs, likely increases the risk of lifetime cancers. I personally don't worry about it.
Yeah I'm not sure but I think there is no issue also just hear alot of people are anti-milk for that reason....  I drink alot of milk too. 1-2 liters also most days. But also kvarg another milk product on top of that some days. Ofcourse mostly because it's easy/convenient and quite cheap protein. Dont have to make a big meal just a couple of ham sandwishes or a can of mackerel/sardines and a liter of milk, that's around 50grams protein.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 01:29:09 PM
Milk is the only animal protein that has carbs so imo it's the absolute top of the animal proteins

I drink a liter a day which gives me 32 grams of protein

The rest of my protein comes from white fish and casein and hamburgers from McDonalds or burger king once or twice a week

Our milk is 34 or even 36 grams but we also had a "protein milk" that had 27 grams per half liter and it was thin like regular milk. I was the only customer in our store, when I stopped buying it they stopped selling it  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: GymnJuice on July 15, 2024, 02:26:09 PM
I'm not such a dickhead

I took Molly before going to the prostitute last night and I could only get it hard the first 30 minutes so the rest of the 90 minutes we just cuddled

I told her I feel bad about using her and she said so you've come to your senses?

So Molly had my cock get soft and made me more empathetic

Empathy is one trait I'm very weak in

I don't understand. The Molly made you soft so you cuddled with a hooker instead of banging her the whole time. How is this empathy? If you had remained hard you would have banged her the whole time the only reason you felt bad for her was because you weren't able to use her for the full 90 minutes.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: MAXX on July 15, 2024, 02:36:02 PM
Our milk is 34 or even 36 grams but we also had a "protein milk" that had 27 grams per half liter and it was thin like regular milk. I was the only customer in our store, when I stopped buying it they stopped selling it  ;D
lactose free is another option if you're dieting or just want to lower calories. it's like 50% less sugar, and usually higher protein what I noticed.

like this one it's my go-to
https://www.coop.se/handla/varor/mejeri-agg/mjolk/laktosfri-mjolk/laktosfri-lattmjolk-7300156500908
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 15, 2024, 02:42:55 PM
I'm not such a dickhead

I took Molly before going to the prostitute last night and I could only get it hard the first 30 minutes so the rest of the 90 minutes we just cuddled

I told her I feel bad about using her and she said so you've come to your senses?

So Molly had my cock get soft and made me more empathetic

Empathy is one trait I'm very weak in

So next time I go to the clubs I'll take half a Molly and I'll know I probably won't be able to get it up but that's not a huge issue coz girls here rarely do ONS both foreigns and Russian guys told me this

Thing is that I get angry and resentful that I have to play the game and I just can't go up and say hey sexy girl let's have some fun it don't go like that you can't be so direct so I just get tense and pissed but Molly does the soften the edge and at that party on Saturday I don't even try to talk with any females as only 3 or 4 of them were sexable for me and they all were with dudes

Id watch these pick up artists in Poland strike out constantly and I'd wonder why they don't get so pissed and offended by it, and I'd think to myself how can you take all this rejection so easily

But the french guy did show some anger and resentment by saying to them you have a fat and stinky pussy which was very uncalled but he was quite a dickhead

Think I told you the coolest guys I met were Spanish and Italian so I bet you'd probably be like them

I can only imagine what your bed sheets are like, legs with open wounds, jerking off, sweating and only a launderette to do your washing

She earned her money having to lie in that bed for an extra 90 minutes more than she did fucking you for 30.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 02:55:46 PM
Our milk is 34 or even 36 grams but we also had a "protein milk" that had 27 grams per half liter and it was thin like regular milk. I was the only customer in our store, when I stopped buying it they stopped selling it  ;D

Hahahaha

One product is 29 grams the other 32

White fish with tartar sauce is so much easier to eat than fucking chicken breasts

I probably should add oranges and carrots back in and also berries and spinach for their micronutrients

But my staple foods now are pretty healthy... Milk casein white fish white rice  oatmeal isotonic mixes

The only things that are not as good is sugar for the coffee but I can't drink coffee without sugar and the tarter sauce

I think I'm gonna go ahead and lower my deca back down to 200 I don't really need 300 for the size I am and even the size I want to or think I can be

Big Paul told me flat out that I only really need just 200 test and nothing more but it seems deca gives me a better look

I maybe even could go down to 150 test and 100 deca

Kurt havens said that if you want to add muscle you need to have a total test level of 1400 minimum

One 250 test my roral.t was 2887 so pretty sure 150 woud put me above 1400
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 03:00:22 PM
I don't understand. The Molly made you soft so you cuddled with a hooker instead of banging her the whole time. How is this empathy? If you had remained hard you would have banged her the whole time the only reason you felt bad for her was because you weren't able to use her for the full 90 minutes.

Not true

Just had a session with .my therapist and we discovered that I don't just want sex with a female I actually want some closeness and I'm shocked to say this but I actually want to please her and give her pleasure by asking her what she likes and doing it for her

We figured out that when I go out on X next week that I should first talk to a female I'm not sexually attracted to just to see how you he X is working fof me in that context

It's a very good idea actually and I will do it
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 03:02:01 PM
lactose free is another option if you're dieting or just want to lower calories. it's like 50% less sugar, and usually higher protein what I noticed.

like this one it's my go-to
https://www.coop.se/handla/varor/mejeri-agg/mjolk/laktosfri-mjolk/laktosfri-lattmjolk-7300156500908

Yeah I go for the lactose free most times although I don't have lactose intolerance. I most like the Valio milk but Arla and Coop and some others are good too. Do you know why the milks taste different? Someone said for sure it's because of the feed they give the cows but I'm not sure.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 03:07:00 PM
I can only imagine what your bed sheets are like, legs with open wounds, jerking off, sweating and only a launderette to do your washing

She earned her money having to lie in that bed for an extra 90 minutes more than she did fucking you for 30.

Leg wounds are fully closed now dummy

You have no clue how it went down with her shifter brains so... STFU

She said I have a really nice body and she kept stroking my upper arms and forearms

In general peeps are in awe of the viens all over my forearms

Looks ultra masculine

Now that the wounds are shut ill probably get back into boxing hone my punching speed power and accuracy

But the punching power training involves medicine ball throws with hooks uppercuts and straight punches

Speed and accuracy are well work punching a tiny ball on a stiing
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: MAXX on July 15, 2024, 03:07:51 PM
Yeah I go for the lactose free most times although I don't have lactose intolerance. I most like the Valio milk but Arla and Coop and some others are good too. Do you know why the milks taste different? Someone said for sure it's because of the feed they give the cows but I'm not sure.
pretty sure it tastes different only because of the carb is different kind, where the lactose free milk has the lactose-carb broken down to sugars which are sweeter
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 03:10:33 PM
Not true

Just had a session with .my therapist and we discovered that I don't just want sex with a female I actually want some closeness and I'm shocked to say this but I actually want to please her and give her pleasure by asking her what she likes and doing it for her

We figured out that when I go out on X next week that I should first talk to a female I'm not sexually attracted to just to see how you he X is working fof me in that context

It's a very good idea actually and I will do it

I never took Molly but they say it causes you to just like touching skin for some reason. A friend of mine said Molly causes some embarrassment next day when you remember you were hugging your male friends all night. But later I found out he's probably gay so was maybe full of shit. They do call Molly an empathogen but some think all feelings on drugs are fake. I've taken amphetamine and it makes me hypersexual and Cialis or Viagra fixes the possible erection issues from stims, and Molly of course is an amphetamine. Vyvance early and then weed later makes for a vastly improved sexual experience imo. Just weed enhances it greatly ime, I agree with Norman Mailer who said sex without is never as good lol.

Viagra or Cialis should fix the erection issue?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 03:14:21 PM
I never took Molly but they say it causes you to just like touching skin for some reason. A friend of mine said Molly causes some embarrassment next day when you remember you were hugging your male friends all night. But later I found out he's probably gay so was maybe full of shit. They do call Molly an empathogen but some think all feelings on drugs are fake. I've taken amphetamine and it makes me hypersexual and Cialis or Viagra fixes the possible erection issues from stims, and Molly of course is an amphetamine.

Viagra or Cialis should fix the erection issue?

Funny you said that

I was on 200 mgs of Viagra and the Molly just nullified it

Brutal shit

It's nice when the females touch my muscles the men not so much😂😂😂

And before the prostitute I went to the strippers and one came and talked to me quite a bit but I wasn't able interested in her so wasn't slim enough and she also told me I have very nice muscles and asked if she could touch my and I said sure but yeah I'm making all this shit up 😂

What this is telling.me is that I already look good enough so maybe I should follow grapes advice and focus on a job
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Van_Bilderass on July 15, 2024, 03:17:41 PM
Funny you said that

I was on 200 mgs of Viagra and the Molly just nullified it

Brutal shit

It's nice when the females touch my muscles the men not so much😂😂😂

Damn, next in line is Caverject injection or "Trimix" injection. Many HRT clinics provide Trimix from what I've read on bb forums.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 15, 2024, 03:24:07 PM
Damn, next in line is Caverject injection or "Trimix" injection. Many HRT clinics provide Trimix from what I've read on bb forums.

Well bro ONS are near impossible here but if she actually wants some sexual pleasure I can let her touch and caress my hot muscles and/or kiss and lick her pussy and ass

Deep kissing is almost as good as sex for.me love it
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 16, 2024, 12:34:27 AM
Well bro ONS are near impossible here but if she actually wants some sexual pleasure I can let her touch and caress my hot muscles and/or kiss and lick her pussy and ass

Deep kissing is almost as good as sex for.me love it

they are for 52 year old men who want 20 year old girls

I thought you didnt like pussy?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 16, 2024, 12:46:33 AM
I remember that

was convinced it worked too!

was it Randall someone super squats!
Yeah Bruce Randall,J.C. Hise,John Grimek,Bob Hoffman, and a literal ton of others advocated doing it....it was an old school thing designed to help you gain weight if thin,or lose weight if fat by stimulating the metabolism and at the same time building a  deep ribcage.

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Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: wes on July 16, 2024, 12:52:47 AM
Hahahaha

One product is 29 grams the other 32

White fish with tartar sauce is so much easier to eat than fucking chicken breasts

I probably should add oranges and carrots back in and also berries and spinach for their micronutrients

But my staple foods now are pretty healthy... Milk casein white fish white rice  oatmeal isotonic mixes

The only things that are not as good is sugar for the coffee but I can't drink coffee without sugar and the tarter sauce

I think I'm gonna go ahead and lower my deca back down to 200 I don't really need 300 for the size I am and even the size I want to or think I can be

Big Paul Santa Claus told me flat out that I only really need just 200 test and nothing more but it seems deca gives me a better look

I maybe even could go down to 150 test and 100 deca

Kurt havens The Easter Bunny said that if you want to add muscle you need to have a total test level of 1400 minimum

One 250 test my roral.t was 2887 so pretty sure 150 woud put me above 1400
FIXED  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Humble Narcissist on July 16, 2024, 12:56:57 AM
I did the breathing squats, pullover combo too.

Now that I think of it, earlier there was the Reeves deadlift too. It was supposed to widen the clavicles.
Might work for teenagers but probably not for full grown adults.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 16, 2024, 04:32:50 AM
Yeah Bruce Randall,J.C. Hise,John Grimek,Bob Hoffman, and a literal ton of others advocated doing it....it was an old school thing designed to help you gain weight if thin,or lose weight if fat by stimulating the metabolism and at the same time building a  deep ribcage.


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Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Donny on July 16, 2024, 07:18:15 AM
Well yes, depends on how you look at it. Test can seal the plates since a percentage converts to estrogen. I guess you could use test with Arimidex to avoid it but Anavar never increases estrogen, it will drastically reduce it if no other aromatising drugs are used. Anavar shuts down natural test production so now you have no substrate for estrogen since estrogen almost completely comes from testosterone. Tall girls not infrequently want to suppress adult height, because it may be harder for them to find a partner, and they are given estrogen for this.

I don't think it has really been examined how much test use in the teens might affect adult height, there's obvious ethical conerns, but the theory is solid.
Diet & Genetics determine height.
otherwise people wouldn't use surgery.
Your comments might be true to an extent but you only talk about drugs.
In many cases , probably most surgery of some kind is used.
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Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 16, 2024, 10:46:37 AM
they are for 52 year old men who want 20 year old girls

I thought you didnt like pussy?

I like putting my cock in it and I also love rubbing my cock on it while she is wearing a tiny nylon thong panties that shit feels so fucking good, I have a very strong fetish for nylon Spandex and silk and you can thank Benny Hill for that😁

I also love you rubbing my cock between her ass cheeks while she wears a nylon or silk thong panties a hotdog between them buns

I don't like licking pussy but if that's what she wants and it's gives her lots of pleasure then I will like it because it gave her pleasure it's not always all about me and I have to stop being such an asshole about only pleasing myself

Like grapes said time to grow the fuck up and stop being such a selfish dickhead
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 16, 2024, 01:06:22 PM
Why spend money on clavicle widening when you could spend it on penis lengthening?
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Donny on July 16, 2024, 11:16:33 PM
Why spend money on clavicle widening when you could spend it on penis lengthening?
Often wondered if these pumps actually worked  ;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: joswift on July 17, 2024, 12:40:07 AM
Not true

Just had a session with .my therapist and we discovered that I don't just want sex with a female I actually want some closeness and I'm shocked to say this but I actually want to please her and give her pleasure by asking her what she likes and doing it for her

We figured out that when I go out on X next week that I should first talk to a female I'm not sexually attracted to just to see how you he X is working fof me in that context

It's a very good idea actually and I will do it

I bet your therapist has a good wash after you leave..

Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: falco on July 17, 2024, 01:33:51 AM
Often wondered if these pumps actually worked  ;D

They do.
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: IroNat on July 17, 2024, 05:12:32 AM
I bet your therapist has a good wash after you leave..



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Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: Donny on July 17, 2024, 05:46:15 AM
They do.
;D
Title: Re: clavicle widening
Post by: dj181 on July 17, 2024, 07:32:32 AM
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Hahahaha

He's trying to lower my self-esteem just like the shithead he is

But it ain't working

Why?

I go by real life experiences and guess what?

My real life experiences are bombardments of how outstanding my body is

FUCK YEAH

My body's aesthetics are in the top 3% or all YOUNG MEN 18-29

If we put it against men ages 40-60 it's in the top 0.5%😉