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Kirk Karwoski 800x5
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Kirk Karwoski 800x5
Awesome squat
Same video but from a different angle
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I don' think so - though not on film, Sultan Rakhmanov front Squated
770lbs for 5reps no belt or wraps.... :o Incredible
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Too many nutso performances to single out one.
Eddie Hall’s 10 with 760 with no spot, belt, or wraps, is a STAGGERING display of strength.
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Too many nutso performances to single out one.
Eddie Hall’s 10 with 760 with no spot, belt, or wraps, is a STAGGERING display of strength.
It is, definitely - only I doubt he could've Front Squat Full depth
770lbs x5.
Eddies deadlift video where he starts with 1plate aside & goes up to 8
aside & then back down is right up there as the most impressive feat of strength ever.
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Way more impressive than this fat lard doin' some good mornings half reps ::)
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I just went looking for this exact video ^^^
then another Irish man came to mind Lock Gannon, epic stuff;
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I just went looking for this exact video ^^^
then another Irish man came to mind Lock Gannon, epic stuff;
I always remember this one.
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Platz 50 rep squats.
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Platz always had a dramatic display when squatting:
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^^^ He must not have believed in collars.
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Tim Prince ' steroid is a finish touch only'
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This is more impressive, imho:
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This is more impressive, imho:
And still unmatched to this day.
Plenty of guys were bragging on YT that they broke Platz' record (some of em outweighing him by 100 pds lol), but everyone is just doing some pathetic good mornings quarter reps instead of legit ATG Platz squats
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Notice Platz squats with a fairly close stance while the guys who tried to match the challenge used a wider stance,thus using more hip,erectors, and glutes.
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And still unmatched to this day.
Plenty of guys were bragging on YT that they broke Platz' record (some of em outweighing him by 100 pds lol), but everyone is just doing some pathetic good mornings quarter reps instead of legit ATG Platz squats
Neither of these other 2 are anywhere near full deep squat as Tom
plus both out weigh him - WSM Hooper by at least 100=lbs
Tom beats them both easily.
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Neither of these other 2 are anywhere near full deep squat as Tom
plus both out weigh him - WSM Hooper by at least 100=lbs
Tom beats them both easily.
This makes you realize even more how crazy his strength feature was back then decades ago at his bodyweight
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I just went looking for this exact video ^^^
then another Irish man came to mind Lock Gannon, epic stuff;
Nice!
I've done 225lbs. for 100 reps and 300lbs. (it might've been 315lbs. but I am almost certain it was 300!) for 50 reps. My last day in a gym I trained at I did 515 for 20, 535 for 20, 585 for 5 and then back down to 515 for 20. I changed gyms and they didn't always have enough weight so I just did more reps. Leg extensions were done with up to 750lbs. Two coaches estimated my max squat to be at least 700lbs. but to be honest I never tried as I preferred lighter weights for high reps so that I wouldn't be injured.
I do not have knee problems from squatting. I am a handicapable person from a few work related incidents as well as ones that occurred in the course of my normal life. I am not on "disability" as I was raised to do my best to avoid that. I am quite possibly the world's worst bench presser as at a body weight of 250lbs. I could only do a single of 350lbs.
I really miss being kinda strong. Age and injuries or as my older friends used to call it, "life" as taken me down a few notches. I really enjoy reading stuff that all here have done (except bhanky) as it brings back memories and I very much admire those that train hard to be the strongest they can be.
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Nice!
I've done 225lbs. for 100 reps and 300lbs. (it might've been 315lbs. but I am almost certain it was 300!) for 50 reps. My last day in a gym I trained at I did 515 for 20, 535 for 20, 585 for 5 and then back down to 515 for 20. I changed gyms and they didn't always have enough weight so I just did more reps. Leg extensions were done with up to 750lbs. Two coaches estimated my max squat to be at least 700lbs. but to be honest I never tried as I preferred lighter weights for high reps so that I wouldn't be injured.
I do not have knee problems from squatting. I am a handicapable person from a few work related incidents as well as ones that occurred in the course of my normal life. I am not on "disability" as I was raised to do my best to avoid that. I am quite possibly the world's worst bench presser as at a body weight of 250lbs. I could only do a single of 350lbs.
I really miss being kinda strong. Age and injuries or as my older friends used to call it, "life" as taken me down a few notches. I really enjoy reading stuff that all here have done (except bhanky) as it brings back memories and I very much admire those that train hard to be the strongest they can be.
Some people like yourself are squat freaks.
Holy muscle Ben Okboke went to my old gym. Squatted 405 for 30 reps.
Benched 275 for 3
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Nice!
I've done 225lbs. for 100 reps and 300lbs. (it might've been 315lbs. but I am almost certain it was 300!) for 50 reps. My last day in a gym I trained at I did 515 for 20, 535 for 20, 585 for 5 and then back down to 515 for 20.
I'm pretty sure no one else ever has done a more impressive squat workout. Nothing on the net even comes close, not Platz, not anyone. Fortress said Platz' best was 315 for 50 but that workout with the 500+ sets is completely insane. Especially at 250? And steroid free? Nothing I've heard or seen comes close. Anyone else? There are humble freaks here and there but you must realise this sounds unbelievable.
I friend of mine said he saw WSM Magnus Samuellson miss a 440lbs squat and I saw him fail a 380lbs bench after 3 reps. WTF ???
When I got on the net the first time I remember some fella did 97 reps with 2 plates and it was circulated widely.
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A workout with 65 reps of 515+ lbs is certainly a workout.
I friend of mine said he saw WSM Magnus Samuellson miss a 440lbs squat and I saw him fail a 380lbs bench after 3 reps. WTF ???
Back when Pudz was winning, I remember hearing that "real" strongmen didn't like WSM or take it seriously because the events were more predicated on endurance e.g. carrying stuff, and on moving moderate weight for high reps.
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A workout with 65 reps of 515+ lbs is certainly a workout.
Back when Pudz was winning, I remember hearing that "real" strongmen didn't like WSM or take it seriously because the events were more predicated on endurance e.g. carrying stuff, and on moving moderate weight for high reps.
Yeah but there's no way a WSM could fail a 440lbs squat, he should almost be able to do it standing on one leg. ??? The bench was at an exhibition, like here's WSM and he's going to demonstrate something impressive ???
Magnus wasn't the best on powerlifts from what I remember, I think he had a grip out of this world though, but there are some minimums you'd think they'd not fall under even if taking some down time.
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Kwon has posted pics of wimmens squatting impressively.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXTakPFW4AAjLWG.jpg)
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Yeah but there's no way a WSM could fail a 440lbs squat, he should almost be able to do it standing on one leg. ??? The bench was at an exhibition, like here's WSM and he's going to demonstrate something impressive ???
Magnus wasn't the best on powerlifts from what I remember, I think he had a grip out of this world though, but there are some minimums you'd think they'd not fall under even if taking some down time.
Maybe Magnus was off the sauce.
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I just went looking for this exact video ^^^
then another Irish man came to mind Lock Gannon, epic stuff;
that is nuts
what's his 1rep max?
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I'm pretty sure no one else ever has done a more impressive squat workout. Nothing on the net even comes close, not Platz, not anyone. Fortress said Platz' best was 315 for 50 but that workout with the 500+ sets is completely insane. Especially at 250? And steroid free? Nothing I've heard or seen comes close. Anyone else? There are humble freaks here and there but you must realise this sounds unbelievable.
I friend of mine said he saw WSM Magnus Samuellson miss a 440lbs squat and I saw him fail a 380lbs bench after 3 reps. WTF ???
When I got on the net the first time I remember some fella did 97 reps with 2 plates and it was circulated widely.
Van is being nice but I’ll call that claim for what it is: bullshit
ONE of those sets would be legendary. That elite strongman struggled to do 525 x 24 and he has 100lbs on “the Scott”. But I’m sure Scott was able to crack off multiple sets of 20 with 500+ lbs. as a natural no less. ::)
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Van is being nice but I’ll call that claim for what it is: bullshit
ONE of those sets would be legendary. That elite strongman struggled to do 525 x 24 and he has 100lbs on “the Scott”. But I’m sure Scott was able to crack off multiple sets of 20 with 500+ lbs. as a natural no less. ::)
Maybe he misremembered the details a little bhanks-style
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Van is being nice but I’ll call that claim for what it is: bullshit
ONE of those sets would be legendary. That elite strongman struggled to do 525 x 24 and he has 100lbs on “the Scott”. But I’m sure Scott was able to crack off multiple sets of 20 with 500+ lbs. as a natural no less. ::)
Yes. Yes I could and did. I also used the vertical leg press to good advantage. I never took a liking to those slanted ones as they felt "weird" to me.
As I have previously stated, the squat was my favorite exercise. It took me about 10 years to reach the 500lbs. + range. I used my own modified version of Joseph C. Hise's "milk squats" program that some older powerlifter friends at the gym introduced to me. It worked but as I said, it took about 10 years to get to that point. I would drink up to 3 gallons of whole milk a day. I also drank half & half and sometimes whipping cream. I was manual laborer (I wasn't all that smart) in the daytime and a bouncer at night and needed the calories for the work I did.
If you do not believe me, that's fine. I was 6' 1.5" tall and weighed 250lbs. I could not bench press for sheit and my deadlift was only 505lbs. Not a powerlifter.
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Maybe he misremembered the details a little bhanks-style
Nope. ;D Thanks!
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“Greatest of all-time”
Strong endorsement here from Hulkotron
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXTakPFW4AAjLWG.jpg)
Skinny legs for a squatter.
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Nice!
I've done 225lbs. for 100 reps and 300lbs. (it might've been 315lbs. but I am almost certain it was 300!) for 50 reps. My last day in a gym I trained at I did 515 for 20, 535 for 20, 585 for 5 and then back down to 515 for 20. I changed gyms and they didn't always have enough weight so I just did more reps. Leg extensions were done with up to 750lbs. Two coaches estimated my max squat to be at least 700lbs. but to be honest I never tried as I preferred lighter weights for high reps so that I wouldn't be injured.
Sounds like a Tom Platz wet dream.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXTakPFW4AAjLWG.jpg)
True champion
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Not surprising there's at least one getbigger who's done a much more impressive workout than 800x5.
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Van is being nice but I’ll call that claim for what it is: bullshit
ONE of those sets would be legendary. That elite strongman struggled to do 525 x 24 and he has 100lbs on “the Scott”. But I’m sure Scott was able to crack off multiple sets of 20 with 500+ lbs. as a natural no less. ::)
Any one of the freaks we've seen who have been able to do 500 for 20 are usually done after that feat. To do a warm-up of 20 with 515 and then to put on 535 for another 20 is inhuman! But then an additional 585 for 5 and to finish off with another 20 with 515 would put someone in the legend of legends category.
Here"s Joe Sullivan, who has a WR of 850lbs. 525 for 20.
i=Y8BcCcaUw2Nbn_Je
Joe could have rested for half an hour and probably could not have done even a single additional rep.
I'm curious about the leg extension. Was it some type of old school plate loaded leg extension? From what I've seen the heavy selectorized extensions go up to about 250lbs. How do you do extensions with 750lbs?
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Yes. Yes I could and did. I also used the vertical leg press to good advantage. I never took a liking to those slanted ones as they felt "weird" to me.
As I have previously stated, the squat was my favorite exercise. It took me about 10 years to reach the 500lbs. + range. I used my own modified version of Joseph C. Hise's "milk squats" program that some older powerlifter friends at the gym introduced to me. It worked but as I said, it took about 10 years to get to that point. I would drink up to 3 gallons of whole milk a day. I also drank half & half and sometimes whipping cream. I was manual laborer (I wasn't all that smart) in the daytime and a bouncer at night and needed the calories for the work I did.
If you do not believe me, that's fine. I was 6' 1.5" tall and weighed 250lbs. I could not bench press for sheit and my deadlift was only 505lbs. Not a powerlifter.
No. No you could not, and you did not. At least not with anything resembling proper form or depth.
Your own claims don’t make any sense .. you were able to rep out 535 for 20 reps and 585 for 8 reps but “only” do 315x50?
Nobody else has ever been able to recreate this feat—or anything close to it. This would mean you are the greatest squatter who ever lived, by far. Must have been those 3 gallons of whole milk everyday, I guess.
What an honor to have the strongest squatter the world has ever seen, posting here among us on getbig.
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750-lb knee extensions is an impressive feat for sure.
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Any one of the freaks we've seen who have been able to do 500 for 20 are usually done after that feat. To do a warm-up of 20 with 515 and then to put on 535 for another 20 is inhuman! But then an additional 585 for 5 and to finish off with another 20 with 515 would put someone in the legend of legends category.
Here"s Joe Sullivan, who has a WR of 850lbs. 525 for 20.
i=Y8BcCcaUw2Nbn_Je
Joe could have rested for half an hour and probably could not have done even a single additional rep.
I'm curious about the leg extension. Was it some type of old school plate loaded leg extension? From what I've seen the heavy selectorized extensions go up to about 250lbs. How do you do extensions with 750lbs?
Good attempts though yet again neither anywhere near as deep as Tom
was squatting. Goes to show how hard it is & what an achievement
it was.
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Any one of the freaks we've seen who have been able to do 500 for 20 are usually done after that feat. To do a warm-up of 20 with 515 and then to put on 535 for another 20 is inhuman! But then an additional 585 for 5 and to finish off with another 20 with 515 would put someone in the legend of legends category.
Here"s Joe Sullivan, who has a WR of 850lbs. 525 for 20.
i=Y8BcCcaUw2Nbn_Je
Joe could have rested for half an hour and probably could not have done even a single additional rep.
I'm curious about the leg extension. Was it some type of old school plate loaded leg extension? From what I've seen the heavy selectorized extensions go up to about 250lbs. How do you do extensions with 750lbs?
It was an approximate guess as I put the max on the machine which was (I think) 240lbs and then had a friend weighing 260lbs. get on it with weight strapped to him I did my set until the seat broke at 8 or 10 reps. I realize that it is difficult to believe something like this and have no problem with those that think it cannot have been done.
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No. No you could not, and you did not. At least not with anything resembling proper form or depth.
Your own claims don’t make any sense .. you were able to rep out 535 for 20 reps and 585 for 8 reps but “only” do 315x50?
Nobody else has ever been able to recreate this feat—or anything close to it. This would mean you are the greatest squatter who ever lived, by far. Must have been those 3 gallons of whole milk everyday, I guess.
What an honor to have the strongest squatter the world has ever seen, posting here among us on getbig.
Well, as I have said elsewhere I understand it is difficult to believe and have no problem that you or others here don't. Why you attempt to belittle me with your childish "What an honor" statement is beyond me but keep it up as it can be funny!
It took 10 years of the high rep squat routine for me to get there. Also, I went parallel or just below, wore a single ACE bandage around each knee and a 4 inch belt. I did not squat ass-to-grass like Platz. I have done a "bottom position squat" with 505lbs. where you start at the bottom getting under the bar and lifting from there up. It was very difficult.
I have seen Platz squat and he is very impressive. He is also much shorter than I and his legs far more massive. Mine at their largest were 28.5". Look up J.C. Hise and his breathing/milk squats routine. He was my inspiration and as I said, I discovered him and his method from some friends of mine at the gym I trained at. Two of them were powerlifters and in their 60s back then and knew that I had difficulty gaining weight and getting stronger and they told me about Hise and his routine. It worked for me.
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It was an approximate guess as I put the max on the machine which was (I think) 240lbs and then had a friend weighing 260lbs. get on it with weight strapped to him I did my set until the seat broke at 8 or 10 reps. I realize that it is difficult to believe something like this and have no problem with those that think it cannot have been done.
So the friend was holding ~ 250 lbs while this was going on?
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So the friend was holding ~ 250 lbs while this was going on?
Yes. I didn't see him weigh in but he was a pretty big guy and looked like he weighed what he claimed. All of us used to watch WSM and I recall them doing the leg extension or leg press with some girls and thought, "I can do that". I was young and dumb (mom had me tested)! ;D
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Since talking about Platz's squat for the millionth time, isn't there a big asterix to that squat due to the connection McMahon? Stolen Valor in matters of the squat is serious business so we care.
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Yes. I didn't see him weigh in but he was a pretty big guy and looked like he weighed what he claimed. All of us used to watch WSM and I recall them doing the leg extension or leg press with some girls and thought, "I can do that". I was young and dumb (mom had me tested)! ;D
They did a squat in a Smith machine with a platform above where the girls were sat. 😊 👍🏻
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Since talking about Platz's squat for the millionth time, isn't there a big asterix to that squat due to the connection McMahon? Stolen Valor in matters of the squat is serious business so we care.
Please speak on this.
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The Scott, are you sure you don't mean a 750-lb leg press?
This is a typical leg extensions machine, it is difficult to believe you added 500 lbs of person-holding-weights to one.
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Please speak on this.
I think it goes back to this -
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The rumor was McMahon had the plates mixed real and fake to make Platz look good because he was down with Icopro and the WBF. I've only really heard it from Kazmaier, but Kazmaier can be an asshole sometimes.
The only other thing on the Platz squat, is that he was wearing an old school squat suit during it. Some people make a big deal out of it, but they didn't give you much.
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I think it goes back to this -
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The rumor was McMahon had the plates mixed real and fake to make Platz look good because he was down with Icopro and the WBF. I've only really heard it from Kazmaier, but Kazmaier can be an asshole sometimes.
The only other thing on the Platz squat, is that he was wearing an old school squat suit during it. Some people make a big deal out of it, but they didn't give you much.
SO Did Fred Hatfield also use the Fake weights ?
For whatever reason I believe Kaz is talking nonsense about Tom & Fake weights.
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The Scott, are you sure you don't mean a 750-lb leg press?
This is a typical leg extensions machine, it is difficult to believe you added 500 lbs of person-holding-weights to one.
I thought it was added up correctly and my friends at the gym told me it was. It was heavy and as I said, it ultimately broke the seat part of the machine.
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I thought it was added up correctly and my friends at the gym told me it was. It was heavy and as I said, it ultimately broke the seat part of the machine.
How exactly was the person attached to the machine? Did they have really good balance and stand on the leg pad? Stood on the weight stack?
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I think it goes back to this -
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The rumor was McMahon had the plates mixed real and fake to make Platz look good because he was down with Icopro and the WBF. I've only really heard it from Kazmaier, but Kazmaier can be an asshole sometimes.
The only other thing on the Platz squat, is that he was wearing an old school squat suit during it. Some people make a big deal out of it, but they didn't give you much.
So what do YOU think? :D I think it's a tainted feat :D Plus Fortress has established that Platz has exaggerated in articles.
I'm experienced somewhat with suits and in my opinion that suit didn't give him anything probably. More like a singlet. There definitely were suits then that gave you a lot but they are worn extremely tight or it's useless. I have a deadlift suit that is like 35 years old and it gave me 60lbs at least.
Edir. Not that anyone cares probably but this is the old suit I had. It's in my friend's possession now but I'll ask for it back if he won't use it anymore lol. It was a strange material that didn't have hardly any give at all but it's mythical in old school powerlifting circles.
Marathon supersuit:
https://equippedpowerlifting.substack.com/p/marathon-deadlift-super-suit
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The Scott, are you sure you don't mean a 750-lb leg press?
This is a typical leg extensions machine, it is difficult to believe you added 500 lbs of person-holding-weights to one.
This leg extension machine was from the late '70s early '80s.
The most I have ever used on the vertical leg press was 700lbs. so you could be correct on the leg extension as my friends told me that was the weight. On the press, I was very strong on it because those presses are so much easier than squats. I hate those leaning leg presses they have now and barely tried one years ago for PT on my good leg. I freely admit that I have problems with some memory stuff and was warned that could happen because I was dead for so long the last surgery and may have some brain damage due to the length of time without oxygen. I did a LOT of reps with that weight because it is easier than the squat.
I know that one day I worked in with a couple of San Diego Chargers on the squat and they had 505 on there and said I could join them but they didn't take weight off. They each got 5 or 6 reps and then I knocked out 20 and asked it we could go up in weight. Years later I had a boss that knew one of them and he said he asked him about me and the man just said it was true about me and the squat.
During that football strike in the 80s I thought about trying out for a scab position on the Chargers. Another guy at the gym was going to do so too. He was a genuine athlete, much more so than me. We used to argue about the music and would change it to piss each other off and then "threaten" to whup one another. He was black and I was white so that played a part in the whole thing. He told me he would run circles around him on the field and I knew he could! I told him that if he was on the other side of the line, I would run him over and he knew I would. I never tried out as outside of knocking over people I had nothing to offer. I was not fast, just very strong legs. I knew from squatting with the two Chargers I was stronger on the leg stuff than most likely anyone on the team but I also knew I was no athlete and I did not want to be humiliated too much. ;D
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How exactly was the person attached to the machine? Did they have really good balance and stand on the leg pad? Stood on the weight stack?
Yes. My friend stood on the stack of weights with a belt and plates.
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bearing in mind no one has ever matched Toms squat since then maybe he did use a couple fake plates.
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So what do YOU think? :D I think it's a tainted feat :D Plus Fortress has established that Platz has exaggerated in articles.
I'm experienced somewhat with suits and in my opinion that suit didn't give him anything probably. More like a singlet. There definitely were suits then that gave you a lot but they are worn extremely tight or it's useless. I have a deadlift suit that is like 35 years old and it gave me 60lbs at least.
I've never cared about the squat suit argument. It looks old, and 99% of the old timers I've talked to said they only gave you a little bit when new and fit well, and almost nothing when old.
On the fake plates. I want to believe he did it, but I also leave the door open. On old stuff like this, if it's not too wild, I just shrug, and go "maybe".
On the one hand you've got Platz, who was a known squatting monster, growing up among guys like Schmansky and Lowe, who didn't take a lot of bullshit because of their Olympic background.
And then you think maybe he just had a good day.
And then you think, there's lots of folks there, walking by, touching the weights, loading them, unloading them, etc.... Someone would say something. But Kaz was the first guy I've heard it from, and he's weird sometimes.
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On the other hand, it is Kazmaier, and muscle sports have lots of bullshit that goes on in them.
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bearing in mind no one has ever matched Toms squat since then maybe he did use a couple fake plates.
I saw him squat one day and it was very impressive. He did the ass to grass stuff which I was warned against by my powerlifting friends. They said competition depth or just a bit lower was fine for my needs. Platz was strong and I have no real reason to doubt him on the weights he was capable of.
Never saw Kazmaier in the real world but people would tell me he was a rough and grumpy guy sometimes. I do know he was a very powerful man in every way and it showed in his build. Bench, squat deadlift and strongman too. I was always impressed by both Pacifico and Doug Young. They were fantasic and had great builds too.
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I've done 225lbs. for 100 reps and 300lbs. (it might've been 315lbs. but I am almost certain it was 300!) for 50 reps. My last day in a gym I trained at I did 515 for 20, 535 for 20, 585 for 5 and then back down to 515 for 20. I changed gyms and they didn't always have enough weight so I just did more reps. Leg extensions were done with up to 750lbs. Two coaches estimated my max squat to be at least 700lbs. but to be honest I never tried as I preferred lighter weights for high reps so that I wouldn't be injured.
I do not have knee problems from squatting. I am a handicapable person from a few work related incidents as well as ones that occurred in the course of my normal life. I am not on "disability" as I was raised to do my best to avoid that. I am quite possibly the world's worst bench presser as at a body weight of 250lbs. I could only do a single of 350lbs.
I really miss being kinda strong. Age and injuries or as my older friends used to call it, "life" as taken me down a few notches. I really enjoy reading stuff that all here have done (except bhanky) as it brings back memories and I very much admire those that train hard to be the strongest they can be.
Wow.
That is an absolute ton.
I’ve never seen or heard of anyone coming close to this kind of weight.
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SO Did Fred Hatfield also use the Fake weights ?
For whatever reason I believe Kaz is talking nonsense about Tom & Fake weights.
exactly Fred Hatfield did the same loaded bar and he did less, with worse form. like 14 reps or what ever don't remember. So where they supposed to change to lighter plates at the stage being filmed?
Btw Fred had a higher 1 rep max in the same competition. But I want to put an asterix to That because of the form not being comparable to Toms.. He did a 855 in that competition against Tom. But his best competion lift was 1000 something. So they used lighter plates here but still he had much less than his best record, yeah makes sense....
Kaz is just a wacko and not really credible to believe he proved this by all the nonsense and bullshit stories he tells all the time.
there's always some people that want to make everything a conspiracy. They find it in everything.
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According to the internet, the date on the Platz/Hatfield squat-off (nh) was 1992. Fred was pretty old then, 50 years old in 1992, although his powerlifting success started relatively late, he won his first national title at 35, his last at 44, and did the 1000-lb squat at age 45. Tom would have been 37 in 1992.
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According to the internet, the date on the Platz/Hatfield squat-off (nh) was 1992. Fred was pretty old then, 50 years old in 1992, although his powerlifting success started relatively late, he won his first national title at 35, his last at 44, and did the 1000-lb squat at age 45. Tom would have been 37 in 1992.
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I saw him squat one day and it was very impressive. He did the ass to grass stuff which I was warned against by my powerlifting friends. They said competition depth or just a bit lower was fine for my needs. Platz was strong and I have no real reason to doubt him on the weights he was capable of.
Never saw Kazmaier in the real world but people would tell me he was a rough and grumpy guy sometimes. I do know he was a very powerful man in every way and it showed in his build. Bench, squat deadlift and strongman too. I was always impressed by both Pacifico and Doug Young. They were fantasic and had great builds too.
If more powerlifters had physiques like Pacifico and Young there would be a lot more powerlifters.
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I've never cared about the squat suit argument. It looks old, and 99% of the old timers I've talked to said they only gave you a little bit when new and fit well, and almost nothing when old.
On the fake plates. I want to believe he did it, but I also leave the door open. On old stuff like this, if it's not too wild, I just shrug, and go "maybe".
On the one hand you've got Platz, who was a known squatting monster, growing up among guys like Schmansky and Lowe, who didn't take a lot of bullshit because of their Olympic background.
And then you think maybe he just had a good day.
And then you think, there's lots of folks there, walking by, touching the weights, loading them, unloading them, etc.... Someone would say something. But Kaz was the first guy I've heard it from, and he's weird sometimes.
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On the other hand, it is Kazmaier, and muscle sports have lots of bullshit that goes on in them.
The people I’ve known had have met Kazmaier said he was insecure narcissist bitter at his perceivedly undeserved lack of fame. Him making a story like this up just to bring Tom Platz down a peg would totally fit everything I’ve heard
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Kaz is a character.
Hung with him a few times.
Can be, uh, spaced-out-ish, but overall, a good dude.
He is/was one thick and imposing man.
Bill is in the all-time list for strongest men to have ever lived.
NO question.
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Kaz is a character.
Hung with him a few times.
Can be, uh, spaced-out-ish, but overall, a good dude.
He is/was one thick and imposing man.
Bill is in the all-time list for strongest men to have ever lived.
NO question.
I thought he was pretty good at WSM color commentary as well. Calming voice of peace
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I thought he was pretty good at WSM color commentary as well. Calming voice of peace
My buddy used to live very close to him. Saw him semi-regularly out and about. Says he was always friendly and polite.
A huge, hulking dude.
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I never knew Kaz was in WCW. Here he is against Mankind.
Gotta love Kaz no-selling the kendo stick to the head :D
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The people I’ve known had have met Kazmaier said he was insecure narcissist bitter at his perceivedly undeserved lack of fame. Him making a story like this up just to bring Tom Platz down a peg would totally fit everything I’ve heard
I know lots of folks that have dealt with him over the years, most describe him as a hot or cold personality. You catch him on the right day, he's a warm, funny guy. You catch him on the wrong day, he's a grump. And yeah, he's a "I did x when X actually meant something" guy. Kaz needs his attention.
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=693978.0;attach=1530621;image)
Is that The Scott repping out 585 with his lifting-buddy sat on his back for extra weight? Impressive stuff.
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Too many nutso performances to single out one.
Eddie Hall’s 10 with 760 with no spot, belt, or wraps, is a STAGGERING display of strength.
Holy hell…
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I can't find 760x10 but here's Hall with 760x7.
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On getbig a strength feat doesn't mean anything if it's by a fatso. And I think a bit like that.
Here's a fella setting an ALTW weighing in at 87kg! Holy fucking shit, he attempted a 415kg conventional deadlift.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5gMltQOe_3/?igsh=MWthNHphenN4bmxkeQ==
The bod
https://www.instagram.com/p/DAbwxUeJTix/?igsh=MW00cDZ4eDZjY3RjbQ==
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Yes there should definitely be a conversion factor for lifts done by fat people.
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Doug Young:
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Doug Young:
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(https://70sbig.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Doug-Young-287x399.jpg)
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Wes top pic is Roger Estep 😊👍🏻
He & Doug had Great powerful builds.
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Wes top pic is Roger Estep 😊👍🏻
He & Doug had Great powerful builds.
I knew that! ;D
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I knew that! ;D
I thought so , you were just testing us ;D
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Roger Estep:
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I thought so , you were just testing us ;D
Why of course....gotta` keep you guys on your toes. LOL ;D
I must confess, I know who Roger is,was but found that Googling Doug Young and assumed it was him.
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The first time I walked into a gym was the Arlington athletic club in 1978.First thing I saw was Doug Young doing deadlifts.All I could think was what the Hell did I just walk into.
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The first time I walked into a gym was the Arlington athletic club in 1978.First thing I saw was Doug Young doing deadlifts.All I could think was what the Hell did I just walk into.
LOL ;D
Cook,do you remember Jerry Jones.....had long blonde hair?
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If someone has "bodybuilding genetics" it will be very apparent even on a pure powerlifting program. Often people say powetlifters are smaller than bodybuilders because of the differing training style, I mostly disagree.
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LOL ;D
Cook,do you remember Jerry Jones.....had long blonde hair?
Yes a great squatter.
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If someone has "bodybuilding genetics" it will be very apparent even on a pure powerlifting program. Often people say powetlifters are smaller than bodybuilders because of the differing training style, I mostly disagree.
Young use to do a lot of bodybuilding movements.Curls and triceps extensions and all
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Young use to do a lot of bodybuilding movements.Curls and triceps extensions and all
I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.
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I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.
Of course in Young’s case someone who went to high school with him told me the very first time he lifted he benched 315 so my guess is any program was going to make him grow.Do you agree Van?
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Back in the dark ages when I competed in Powerlifting we did a lot of assistance exercises that were 'designed' to help the 3 main lifts.
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Yes a great squatter.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSq-2lW8LDPaqnGeCjiXg9iah_8ET_Z-PCSoA&s)
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yes I remember that long blonde hair.Technique looks a little shaky there but he moved a lot of weight
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I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.
Your post reminded me of an interesting case study conducted on IPF powerlifter Ray Williams. The study was published in the Asian Journal of Sports Medicine.
Ray's 1080lbs squat
https://brieflands.com/articles/asjsm-61763
TL;DR:Ray is 6' tall and weighed, at the time, 405lbs at 24,3% bodyfat.
-Fat-free mass (muscles and water) : 305,5lbs -- largest fat-free mass value in the published literature
-Skeletal muscle mass : 128lbs
-Skeletal muscle index : 17.2 kg/m2
• Only four of the 95 previously studied large-sized male athletes had a Skeletal Muscle Index of more than 15 kg/m2.
• Six super-heavyweight powerlifters averaged a Skeletal Muscle Mass of 113.7 pounds, and a Skeletal Muscle Index of 15.4 kg/m2 with the largest athlete being at 130.7 pounds and 16.5 kg/m2, respectively.
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Introduction: World powerlifting records within the super heavyweight class are typically held by those with not only the greatest absolute muscle strength but also the greatest amount of skeletal muscle mass (SM).
Case Presentation: We examined the absolute and relative SM and muscle architecture of a 30 year old drug-free raw (i.e. without the use of powerlifting supportive equipment) powerlifter (1.84 m standing height and 183.1 kg body mass) who competes in the super heavyweight division and holds world records in the squat (477.5 kg), deadlift (392.5 kg), and total (1105 kg). Because the MRI magnet is too small for very large athletes, we used an ultrasound prediction equation to estimate SM. We also used ultrasound to determine muscle architecture (isolated muscle thickness, pennation angle and fascicle length). This powerlifter had large values of fat-free mass (138.6 kg) and total SM (58.0 kg) compared with previously published values. When calculating the powerlifting performance per unit SM, this lifter not only had high levels of absolute strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat. Similarly, muscle thickness and pennation angle of the vastus lateralis were close to the highest values previously reported in the literature.
Conclusions: These results suggest that this powerlifter may be close to a physiologic limit with respect to muscle size and geometry.
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1. Introduction
Powerlifting comprises of three separate barbell-based lifts: squat, bench press, and the deadlift. Powerlifters attempt to lift the maximum weight possible for each of those lifts in order to form a total. This total is then made relative to body mass using the Wilks formula in order to determine the overall best lifter. Although there are eleven separate weight classes within male powerlifting, the world records in the super heavyweight class typically belong to the athletes with the greatest absolute muscular strength as well as the greatest skeletal muscle mass (SM) (1).
Previous studies in humans have often used fat-free mass (body mass without fat) to estimate total SM in the body and have reported that the upper limit of fat-free mass accumulation may be approximately 120 kg in males (2, 3). However, it is important to measure SM given that the ratio of SM to fat-free mass is often inconsistent among individual athletes (4, 5). Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is the recognized gold standard to measure SM (6). Unfortunately, it is impossible to measure SM in a large sized athlete because the space within the MRI magnet is limited (5). Therefore, with the reference value being MRI, we developed prediction equations to estimate SM from ultrasound measured muscle thickness (7). Furthermore, large-size muscles in athletes may possess differences in architectural characteristics with a greater pennation angle limiting changes in fascicle length (8 ) or a greater fascicle length limiting changes in pennation angle (9). The aim of this case study was to examine both the absolute and relative SM as well as the muscle architecture of the strongest raw powerlifter in the world and to compare these results with previously reported data.
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2. Case presentation and Discussion
2.1. Competition History and Methodological Approach
This case study reports the SM and strength of a 30 year old drug-free raw (i.e. without the use of powerlifting supportive equipment) powerlifter who competes in the super heavyweight division and holds world records in the squat (477.5 kg), deadlift (392.5 kg), and total (1105 kg).
This individual has won 3 National Championships as well as 4 World Championships with his most recent victory at the IPF World Classic Championships in Belarus. There he totaled 1090 kg across all three lifts at a body mass of 181.2 kg (Wilks of 585.98). His best squat, bench press, and deadlift that day were 470 kg, 242.5 kg, and 377.5 kg, respectively. This study was approved by the University’s institutional review board.
Muscle thickness was measured by B-mode ultrasound (Logiq e, L4-12t probe, GE, Fairfield, CT, USA) at nine sites (abdomen, anterior forearm, anterior and posterior upper arm, anterior and posterior upper-leg, anterior and posterior lower leg, and subscapula) on the right side of the body (Table 1) as described previously (10). This testing was carried out at least 24 hours after the last training session. From these measurements, total SM was estimated using the prediction equation by Sanada et al. (7). SM index was calculated as SM (kg) divided by height squared (m2). Test-retest reliability of muscle thickness measurements (ICC, SEM and minimal difference) was determined as described previously (11).
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Muscle architecture of the vastus lateralis (midway between the lateral condyle and greater trochanter of the femur) was determined using B-mode ultrasound as described previously (12). Ultrasound images were obtained from a linear array probe held perpendicularly for the measurement of muscle thickness and parallel for the measurement of pennation angle and fascicle length. The distance between the subcutaneous adipose tissue-muscle interface and the deep aponeurosis of the vastus lateralis was accepted as the vastus lateralis muscle thickness. Pennation angle was determined as the angle between the echo from the deep aponurosis of the vastus lateralis and the interspaces among the fascicles of the vastus lateralis. The length of the fascicle across the deep and superficial aponeurosis was directly measured using ultrasound images on a display of the ultrasound system (12).
Subcutaneous fat thickness was measured using the same ultrasound images as described above. Body density was estimated from subcutaneous fat thickness using an ultrasound-derived prediction equation (10). Percent body fat was calculated from body density using the Brozek, Grande, Anderson, and Keys’s equation (13) and was used to calculate total fat mass. Fat-free mass was calculated as the difference between body mass and total fat mass. Body mass and standing height were measured to the nearest 0.1 kg and 0.1 cm, respectively, using a stadiometer and an electronic weight scale. Body mass index was calculated as body mass (kg)/standing height squared (m2).
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2.2. Body Fat and Fat-Free Mass
Standing height, body mass and body mass index were 1.84 m, 183.1 kg and 54.1 kg/m2, respectively. Ultrasound estimated percent body fat was 24.3%, and calculated fat-free mass was 138.6 kg. Several studies have investigated percent fat and fat-free mass using the underwater weighing technique on professional American football players (14), professional basketball players (14), and Japanese professional sumo wrestlers (2). The offensive linemen and defensive linemen averaged body fat percentages of 15.5% and 18.7%, respectively, with an estimated fat-free mass of 95.4 kg and 97.7 kg, respectively. The largest football player in that study had 107 kg of fat-free mass (14). A professional basketball player who played the center position had 100.7 kg of fat-free mass (15). Similarly, seven elite Japanese professional sumo wrestlers averaged 26.1% of percent body fat and 109 kg of fat-free mass. The largest fat-free mass in the sumo wrestlers was 121.3 kg, which was the largest fat-free mass value in the published literature (2). Compared with the previously published data, the 138.6 kg of fat-free mass in this case study was approximately 17 kg higher than that of the previously reported sumo wrestler (2).
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2.3. Muscle Mass and Powerlifting Performance
In this study, total SM and SM index were 58.0 kg and 17.2 kg/m2, respectively. Recently, we have reported on the relationship between SM index and body mass in male athletes and recreationally active men. The relationship was parabolic, reaching a plateau (approximately 17 kg/m2) beyond 120 kg of body mass (5). Only four of the 95 large-sized male athletes had a SM index of more than 15 kg/m2 (5). Further, our previous study investigating the SM of 20 elite male powerlifters (including 7 world and/or national champions) reported that the six super-heavyweight powerlifters averaged 51.6 (SD 4.3) kg for total SM and 15.4 (SD 1.2) kg/m2 for SM index, with the largest athlete being at 59.3 kg and 16.5 kg/m2, respectively (1). Thus, the SM and SM index values of the powerlifter reported in this case study are close to the highest values in the published literature.
Using this lifter’s most recent competition, we calculated the powerlifting performance per unit of SM (kg). His relative strength was 8.10 kg/kg for the squat, 4.18 kg/kg for the bench press, and 6.51 kg/kg for the deadlift. For comparison, the average values of the six heavyweight powerlifters reported previously were 6.95 kg/kg, 4.84 kg/kg, and 6.33 kg/kg, respectively (1). Thus, the powerlifter in this case study not only had high levels of absolute muscular strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat.
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2.4. Muscle Architecture
The muscle thickness, pennation angle and fascicle length of the vastus lateralis was 4.2 cm, 30 degrees and 8.2 cm, respectively. A previous study reported that seven heavyweight powerlifters averaged 3.7 cm for muscle thickness, 24 degrees for the pennation angle and 9.1 cm for fascicle length in the vastus lateralis (16). On the other hand, mean values of untrained young men were 2.3 - 2.4 cm for muscle thickness, 18 - 20 degrees for pennation angle and 6.9 - 7.2 cm for fascicle length in the vastus lateralis (17, 18). The powerlifter in the current investigation had a greater pennation angle of the vastus lateralis compared to previously reported heavyweight powerlifters (16) and untrained men (17, 18). Kawakami and colleagues (9) studied approximately 700 individuals (aged 3 - 94 years, including normal individuals and highly trained bodybuilders) and reported a range of muscle thickness (1.2 - 4.5 cm) and pennation angles (9 - 33 degrees) of the vastus lateralis. In this case study, the lifter approached the maximal values reported by Kawakami et al. (9) for both muscle thickness and pennation angle. These findings suggest that a very large vastus lateralis may be more related to an increase in pennation angle rather than fascicle length.
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3. Conclusions
The current strongest raw powerlifter in the world had greater values of fat-free mass and total SM compared to previously published values within the same population. When calculating the powerlifting performance per unit SM, this powerlifter not only had high levels of absolute strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat. Similarly, muscle thickness and pennation angle of the vastus lateralis were close to the highest values previously reported in the literature. These results suggest that this powerlifter may be very close to a physiologic limit with respect to muscle size and geometry.
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Of course in Young’s case someone who went to high school with him told me the very first time he lifted he benched 315 so my guess is any program was going to make him grow.Do you agree Van?
That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.
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That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.
Yes, genetics trumps all. Even using the most effective program will only slightly increase results over another program.
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(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Don-Reinhoudt-1024x705.png)
Winning the world championships from 1973-76, Don Reinhoudt put up the biggest powerlifting numbers ever achieved. He held international all-division world records in all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.
His total of 2391 pounds (1084.5 kg.) in 1975 was the highest raw powerlifting total for 38 years! His raw squat record lasted 39 years! The guy was four decades ahead of his time.
He’s still one of the very few powerlifters to squat more than 900 pounds raw and bench press more than 600 pounds raw in the same competition.
For how long it took his records to be broken, you can make a good argument that he’s the GOAT of super-heavy powerlifting.
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^^^ They had much stricter rules then as well. Squats way deeper than today's quarter rep record holders.
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That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.
Thanks for your reply.I always appreciate your well thought out answers Van.
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(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Don-Reinhoudt-1024x705.png)
Winning the world championships from 1973-76, Don Reinhoudt put up the biggest powerlifting numbers ever achieved. He held international all-division world records in all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.
His total of 2391 pounds (1084.5 kg.) in 1975 was the highest raw powerlifting total for 38 years! His raw squat record lasted 39 years! The guy was four decades ahead of his time.
He’s still one of the very few powerlifters to squat more than 900 pounds raw and bench press more than 600 pounds raw in the same competition.
For how long it took his records to be broken, you can make a good argument that he’s the GOAT of super-heavy powerlifting.
Reinhoudt was a beast!
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^^^ They had much stricter rules then as well. Squats way deeper than today's quarter rep record holders.
And very little supportive gear or monolifts....notice Don isn`t even wearing standard knee wraps in that pic.
Belt,wraps,chalk..............period.
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And very little supportive gear or monolifts....notice Don isn`t even wearing standard knee wraps in that pic.
Belt,wraps,chalk..............period.
Yep, all lifter. They also had to walk back with the weight. No hoist racks like today.
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Your post reminded me of an interesting case study conducted on IPF powerlifter Ray Williams.
Seems like stringent study but I still question the relatively low claimed BF% because he is FAT. The kind of fat that nullifies any strength feats in most peoples' minds ;D
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And very little supportive gear or monolifts....notice Don isn`t even wearing standard knee wraps in that pic.
Belt,wraps,chalk..............period.
You know ? I think I remember there was a couple of years in the 70s that they made knee wraps illegal for competition.It was before I was lifting but I seem to remember some of the guys talking about it .
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Seems like stringent study but I still question the relatively low claimed BF% because he is FAT. The kind of fat that nullifies any strength feats in most peoples' minds ;D
Just the undershirt bunching up
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You know ? I think I remember there was a couple of years in the 70s that they made knee wraps illegal for competition.It was before I was lifting but I seem to remember some of the guys talking about it .
I don`t recall that.....but I can`t remember shit anyway so........
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(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Don-Reinhoudt-1024x705.png)
Winning the world championships from 1973-76, Don Reinhoudt put up the biggest powerlifting numbers ever achieved. He held international all-division world records in all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.
His total of 2391 pounds (1084.5 kg.) in 1975 was the highest raw powerlifting total for 38 years! His raw squat record lasted 39 years! The guy was four decades ahead of his time.
He’s still one of the very few powerlifters to squat more than 900 pounds raw and bench press more than 600 pounds raw in the same competition.
For how long it took his records to be broken, you can make a good argument that he’s the GOAT of super-heavy powerlifting.
Good call - Don was years ahead of his time.
Definitely an ATG.
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Good call - Don was years ahead of his time.
Definitely an ATG.
Lots of milk and corn in that boy.
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I don`t recall that.....but I can`t remember shit anyway so........
Same here. Dammit. ;D
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Not the greatest, but impressive
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Regarding supporting equipment, I read that some of the beastly squatters of the past used to tape half a tennis ball behind their knee to be able bounce a little more weight :D
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683 no hand squat
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Regarding supporting equipment, I read that some of the beastly squatters of the past used to tape half a tennis ball behind their knee to be able bounce a little more weight :D
I've heard of that trick as well.
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683 no hand squat
He wont be tearing his biceps anytime soon.
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Regarding supporting equipment, I read that some of the beastly squatters of the past used to tape half a tennis ball behind their knee to be able bounce a little more weight :D
Squatting in super tight blue jeans will also add a bit of weight to your squat.
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Squatting in super tight blue jeans will also add a bit of weight to your squat.
I have heard of some of the old timers doing that back before the rules were clearly defined.
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I have heard of some of the old timers doing that back before the rules were clearly defined.
Damn Cook.....me and you are two old bastards. ;)
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Damn Cook.....me and you are two old bastards. ;)
haha yes we are my friend ;D
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haha yes we are my friend ;D
BUT.........we are as cool as a cucumber in a snowbank.....so there's that! LOL ;D
I`ve never seen the jeans used in a meet but have seen guys squatting in the gym wearing a pair.
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when loose fit sweat pants become tights :D
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Squatting in super tight blue jeans will also add a bit of weight to your squat.
Will it also work in super tight daisy dukes & construction boots ?
Asking for a friend...
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Will it also work in super tight daisy dukes & construction boots ?
Asking for a friend...
Hell it’s worth a try let us know…. No homo
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Hell it’s worth a try let us know…. No homo
Ok
Lemme grab a spotter first then (No homo)
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Squatting in super tight blue jeans will also add a bit of weight to your squat.
Before equipped powerlifting practically disappeared, they used to wear powerlifting "briefs" under the squat suit. Same material as the squat suit. I was handed a bunch of used squat suits and I cut them off at about navel height, you want the belt to go over the material. They add a little weight to your squat and dead. But if someone has hip pain they feel amazingly good and you don't feel the bad hips. Some powerlifters say they don't think you should do any squatting without briefs and over time your hips will thank you. Of course most recreational trainers wont go through the trouble of getting them.
They were making double ply briefs too, so you had 4 layers of material with the squat suit. Probably added 500lbs and then add the wraps, at least 100lbs :D
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Will it also work in super tight daisy dukes & construction boots ?
Asking for a friend...
From my own personal experience.........YES! :D
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For awhile I wore a hernia truss while squating as I had a few operations as a young child trying to move (for me!) heavy stuff around the house or on the playground I had a bad hernia once while looking for soda bottles to turn in to the 7/11 for movies and candy bars.
This was at a construction site and I noticed a blanket and grabbed a it in my hands and proceeded to drag out of the way. I didn't make all that far, LOL! ;D
Turns out it was a lead lined blanket and yup, I got a hernia trying to move it. I almost always wore sweatpants on leg day. The rest of the time I wore jeans, a t-shirt and tennis shoes.
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Before equipped powerlifting practically disappeared,
Say what now? I haven’t followed the “scene” in like 10 years but I thought that was where all the records were being set, no?
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Say what now? I haven’t followed the “scene” in like 10 years but I thought that was where all the records were being set, no?
It's all raw now and even powerlifters laugh at equipped lifting, some think knee wraps are ok. I guess there are some small groups of equipped lifters putting on meets in some small room with 10 in audience, 10 of which are family and training partners/coaches, someone could set a new WR bench by 100lbs and everyone just laughs. It was unpopular then, invisible now. The training changed completely, no one trains "Westside" now, certainly none of the best raw lifters. Westside only worked with the ridiculous suits. I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals. Those briefs I posted, the small Finnish METAL brand probably went out of business because the owner posted a George Floyd joke on twitter and was dropped in minutes by EliteFTS and Dave Tate lol. Wetside today would probably have rainbow flags hanging, instead of the confederate flag, and an ADL stamp of approval with 51% minorities training there :D
i=eURv_bzXMAb5cy0e
1400lbs, probably getting close to 1000lbs from the rocket launcher :D
Proudly posing with the weight he lifted
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It's all raw now and even powerlifters laugh at equipped lifting, some think knee wraps are ok. I guess there are some small groups of equipped lifters putting on meets in some small room with 10 in audience, 10 of which are family and training partners/coaches, someone could set a new WR bench by 100lbs and everyone just laughs. It was unpopular then, invisible now. The training changed completely, no one trains "Westside" now, certainly none of the best raw lifters. Westside only worked with the ridiculous suits. I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals. Those briefs I posted, the small Finnish METAL brand probably went out of business because the owner posted a George Floyd joke on twitter and was dropped in minutes by EliteFTS and Dave Tate lol. Wetside today would probably have rainbow flags hanging, instead of the confederate flag, and an ADL stamp of approval with 51% minorities training there :D
i=eURv_bzXMAb5cy0e
1400lbs, probably getting close to 1000lbs from the rocket launcher :D
Proudly posing with the weight he lifted
"I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals "
Great - where do I sign up ;D ;D
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Posing with the weight but not with the suit :D
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It's all raw now and even powerlifters laugh at equipped lifting, some think knee wraps are ok. I guess there are some small groups of equipped lifters putting on meets in some small room with 10 in audience, 10 of which are family and training partners/coaches, someone could set a new WR bench by 100lbs and everyone just laughs. It was unpopular then, invisible now. The training changed completely, no one trains "Westside" now, certainly none of the best raw lifters. Westside only worked with the ridiculous suits. I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals. Those briefs I posted, the small Finnish METAL brand probably went out of business because the owner posted a George Floyd joke on twitter and was dropped in minutes by EliteFTS and Dave Tate lol. Wetside today would probably have rainbow flags hanging, instead of the confederate flag, and an ADL stamp of approval with 51% minorities training there :D
i=eURv_bzXMAb5cy0e
1400lbs, probably getting close to 1000lbs from the rocket launcher :D
Proudly posing with the weight he lifted
WTF lol this is shocking to me. Back when I was interested in powerlifting, it was all conjugate method training and wide stance squats & good mornings and no deadlifting in training.
Suited lifters would always talk about how it was for injury prevention and not strength gains, and how the strongest suited lifters were typically the strongest raw lifters, etc etc. I felt like it was bastardizing the sport but I figured that was just “progress”. Reading this from you is like finding out that bbers don’t use gh/insulin anymore - just a completely unexpected development LOL.
I looked on the westside barbell website and it’s pretty clear they’re trying to cash in on the name. With that in mind it’s not surprising that they would drop a controversial supplier. From the website:
Westside Barbell is a strength training education company operated by Tom Barry and his team. Its primary goal is to preserve and build upon the educational legacy laid by its founder Louie Simmons.
When you’re trying to sell as many $30 tshirts as you can, there’s no room for controversy. It’s primarily a business now.
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"I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals "
Great - where do I sign up ;D ;D
I wouldn't mind training with those guys either, as long as everyone was there to train. They used to boast that one of their world record holders was an actual crackhead. I never saw any indication of "white supremacy" connected to them until this Jew went on a rampage, saying he would piss on Louie's grave.
https://www.instagram.com/plagueofstrength?igsh=Y3Zsbm5kY3Zmd2Rl
Panora reminisces about his time at Westside. Even then no one cared, just the lifting partners.
https://www.instagram.com/big_papi_panora?igsh=MTM1eDRveHBod3Awdw==
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"I don't know if the Westside gym concept would even be viable today because all the guys were "nazis" and junkies, crackheads, opioid abusers, and criminals "
Great - where do I sign up ;D ;D
LOL ;D
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I wouldn't mind training with those guys either, as long as everyone was there to train. They used to boast that one of their world record holders was an actual crackhead. I never saw any indication of "white supremacy" connected to them until this Jew went on a rampage, saying he would piss on Louie's grave.
https://www.instagram.com/plagueofstrength?igsh=Y3Zsbm5kY3Zmd2Rl
Panora reminisces about his time at Westside. Even then no one cared, just the lifting partners.
https://www.instagram.com/big_papi_panora?igsh=MTM1eDRveHBod3Awdw==
I don't believe the White Supremacy thing. I just think Louie ran a very blue collar gym, and didn't care what individual members were into as long as they were strong. Westside had Black members here and there, and he's always given Blacks, etc.... credit. Louie himself was very blue collar in how he dealt with personal things too. There are stories about Louie, etc... squaring up, and almost getting into fist fights, etc..... And there are stories of guys stealing from Louie, and he just cancelled the people from Westside and his life.
Now the stories of bank robbers, drug dealers, bikers, and heavy drug users being with Westside are true, especially the drug users part. But that would be true for many powerlifting gyms 70's - early 2000's. It was a rough sport.
Now, as you mentioned, it's controlled by Reddit and other goofballs that get mad because Wendler calls Matt Kroczaleski Matt instead of Janae. And expects gyms to look over members's tattoos and such. Huge shift last 10-15 years.
Edit - Also the power dwarf Lewis has room to talk. He did gay for pay, and admitted to lots of odd things things like enjoying scat and piss porn, and having his then girlfriend dress like a Nazi once and a while on the old Irongarmx board years ago.
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Edit - Also the power dwarf Lewis has room to talk. He did gay for pay, and admitted to lots of odd things things like enjoying scat and piss porn, and having his then girlfriend dress like a Nazi once and a while on the old Irongamx board years ago.
"Westside" would have been the perfect fit for his "hardcore" training, and he seems to admire these hard ass men. But the venom he had for Louie and Westside was nuts, so I did the "early life" check, although he obviously isn't on wiki, and sure enough he's Jewish, why he played up the white supremacy angle I think. He listens to all this gore and black metal which sign about molestation, genocide, torture, but say something negative about Jews and holy hell you've crossed all red lines ;D
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I wouldn't mind training with those guys either, as long as everyone was there to train. They used to boast that one of their world record holders was an actual crackhead. I never saw any indication of "white supremacy" connected to them until this Jew went on a rampage, saying he would piss on Louie's grave.
https://www.instagram.com/plagueofstrength?igsh=Y3Zsbm5kY3Zmd2Rl
Panora reminisces about his time at Westside. Even then no one cared, just the lifting partners.
https://www.instagram.com/big_papi_panora?igsh=MTM1eDRveHBod3Awdw==
Who was the crackhead?
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Who was the crackhead?
I read the name somewhere but forgot. I remember some big lifter dying and people asking what happened. Louie just said he died big and strong. I have no problem with that response.
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Who was the crackhead?
I read the name somewhere but forgot. I remember some big lifter dying and people asking what happened. Louie just said he died big and strong. I have no problem with that response.
Matt Dimel. Big lifter for them late 80's - 90's. Died from a speedball. A guy named Alva Leisure, and a board named Outlaw powerlifting used to air out a lot of things. Phil Harrington was apparently a big heroin addict, and if Louie wasn't there, some of the old, old guys would coke up before lifts, etc....
This guy lifted there - https://www.10tv.com/article/news/crime/crime-tracker/investigators-suspect-search-continues-green-glove-bandit-robberies/530-b9ec20f5-e63c-4d14-8828-ff43d0adcd55 .
Some others have been arrested for weed growing, etc....
Nothing huge, but a rougher crowd.
Gold's has had murderers, etc..... lift there so :shrug:.
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Matt Dimel. Big lifter for them late 80's - 90's. Died from a speedball. A guy named Alva Leisure, and a board named Outlaw powerlifting used to air out a lot of things. Phil Harrington was apparently a big heroin addict, and if Louie wasn't there some of the old, old guys would coke up before lifts, etc....
This guy lifted there - https://www.10tv.com/article/news/crime/crime-tracker/investigators-suspect-search-continues-green-glove-bandit-robberies/530-b9ec20f5-e63c-4d14-8828-ff43d0adcd55 .
Some others have been arrested for weed growing, etc....
Nothing huge, but a rougher crowd.
Gold's has had murderers, etc..... lift there so :shrug:.
I'm sure at the very least a large proportion of powerlifters used ephedrine in all gyms. I think Ritalin was big. Uppers go so well together with powerlifting. Sounds like Louie was antidrug that way but different types of speed pill were everywhere.
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I wouldn't mind training with those guys either, as long as everyone was there to train. They used to boast that one of their world record holders was an actual crackhead. I never saw any indication of "white supremacy" connected to them until this Jew went on a rampage, saying he would piss on Louie's grave.
https://www.instagram.com/plagueofstrength?igsh=Y3Zsbm5kY3Zmd2Rl
Panora reminisces about his time at Westside. Even then no one cared, just the lifting partners.
https://www.instagram.com/big_papi_panora?igsh=MTM1eDRveHBod3Awdw==
This Lewis clown is a flaming H-mo, plowing men on video, etc... A flaming libturd too (big surprise there)... NOT...
Panora trains in our gym lately, he lives in the area... Still very strong..
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Matt Dimel. Big lifter for them late 80's - 90's. Died from a speedball. A guy named Alva Leisure, and a board named Outlaw powerlifting used to air out a lot of things. Phil Harrington was apparently a big heroin addict, and if Louie wasn't there, some of the old, old guys would coke up before lifts, etc....
This guy lifted there - https://www.10tv.com/article/news/crime/crime-tracker/investigators-suspect-search-continues-green-glove-bandit-robberies/530-b9ec20f5-e63c-4d14-8828-ff43d0adcd55 .
Some others have been arrested for weed growing, etc....
Nothing huge, but a rougher crowd.
Gold's has had murderers, etc..... lift there so :shrug:.
Thanks for the info.
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This Lewis clown is a flaming H-mo, plowing men on video, etc... A flaming libturd too (big surprise there)... NOT...
Panora trains in our gym lately, he lives in the area... Still very strong..
I thought he wrote well and looks like he's shifted some heavy weights for a long time. But the liberal persona... :-X
I think Panora has maintained an about 500 bench for a long time. Don't know currently.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1z3UcQIY1P/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I was also very impressed by Zahir Khudayarov with his 760 lbs (345 kg) for 12 reps set.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1z3UcQIY1P/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I was also very impressed by Zahir Khudayarov with his 760 lbs (345 kg) for 12 reps set.
Damn good going - only his above parallel depth compared to below or full depth
Squats helped him a lot.
If he did 5 or more full deep squats with that weight it'd be far more impressive.
Still it is more than I could do Now.
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Back in the 1970`s,Carlton Snitkin trained at the same YMCA that I did......no other gyms back then just so called "Health Clubs" faggy tiger striped naugahyde covered benches with light chrome weights,hence why we trained at the "Y" and it was very hardcore.
Google him if inclined to do so.....he did an 800 or more pound squat back in the day.
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Back in the 1970`s,Carlton Snitkin trained at the same YMCA that I did......no other gyms back then just so called "Health Clubs" faggy tiger striped naugahyde covered benches with light chrome weights,hence why we trained at the "Y" and it was very hardcore.
Google him if inclined to do so.....he did an 800 or more pound squat back in the day.
I remember that Name :D
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I remember that Name :D
He was a monster squatter as well as an all around great powerlifter........I believe he won the Senior Nationals one or more years but don`t quote me on that.
Too lazy to Google........need more coffee ! :)
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1z3UcQIY1P/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I was also very impressed by Zahir Khudayarov with his 760 lbs (345 kg) for 12 reps set.
I'm just amazed at the guts to squat this heavy with just a spotter who really can't do shit if you blow your tendons or even just fail. That Iranian heavy squatter, forgot his name, is an absolute moron imho, doing maxes with these Iranian spotters screaming. They are absolutely useless in case of an injury. I'm a chicken but I think it would be smart to squat within protective loops.
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I don' think so - though not on film, Sultan Rakhmanov front Squated
770lbs for 5reps no belt or wraps.... :o Incredible
There’s a name I haven’t heard or spoken in decades… Sultan Rakhmanov.
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1z3UcQIY1P/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I was also very impressed by Zahir Khudayarov with his 760 lbs (345 kg) for 12 reps set.
damn!!... his 1 rep max must be 1000+
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goat :D
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goat :D
First rep was crazy, never seen 1000 lbs go up so easy!
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Vladimir Kalinichenko squatting 926 with ease
Malanichev's 926x3
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damn!!... his 1 rep max must be 1000+
Recently he officially squatted 1100 lbs raw with wraps in the 275 lbs weight class.
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First rep was crazy, never seen 1000 lbs go up so easy!
It was not without reason that he was called the best squatter in history!
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:o
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:o
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^^^ He paid dearly for it later.
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600 X 20 with knee sleeves.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDdqjmsJr-Y/?igsh=bnkzM3BjbW1rMGVy
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^^^ He paid dearly for it later.
What happened?
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What happened?
After his Olympic days were over he was in constant pain, became an alcoholic and died young.
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169 lbs lifter squating 616 lbs.