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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2024, 04:22:10 PM »
Doug Young:











Wes top pic is Roger Estep 😊👍🏻

He & Doug had Great powerful builds.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2024, 04:33:04 PM »

Wes top pic is Roger Estep 😊👍🏻

He & Doug had Great powerful builds.
I knew that!   ;D

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2024, 04:34:16 PM »
I knew that!   ;D

I thought so , you were just testing us  ;D

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2024, 04:36:40 PM »
Roger Estep:










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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2024, 04:39:59 PM »
I thought so , you were just testing us  ;D
Why of course....gotta` keep you guys on your toes.   LOL  ;D

I must confess, I know who Roger is,was but found that Googling Doug Young and assumed it was him.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #80 on: October 01, 2024, 04:56:37 PM »
The first time I walked into a gym was the Arlington athletic club in 1978.First thing I saw was Doug Young doing deadlifts.All I could think was what the Hell did I just walk into.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #81 on: October 01, 2024, 04:57:58 PM »
The first time I walked into a gym was the Arlington athletic club in 1978.First thing I saw was Doug Young doing deadlifts.All I could think was what the Hell did I just walk into.
LOL  ;D

Cook,do you remember Jerry Jones.....had long blonde hair?

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #82 on: October 01, 2024, 05:01:01 PM »
If someone has "bodybuilding genetics" it will be very apparent even on a pure powerlifting program. Often people say powetlifters are smaller than bodybuilders because of the differing training style, I mostly disagree.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #83 on: October 01, 2024, 05:02:32 PM »
LOL  ;D

Cook,do you remember Jerry Jones.....had long blonde hair?
Yes a great squatter.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #84 on: October 01, 2024, 05:04:15 PM »
If someone has "bodybuilding genetics" it will be very apparent even on a pure powerlifting program. Often people say powetlifters are smaller than bodybuilders because of the differing training style, I mostly disagree.
Young use to do a lot of bodybuilding movements.Curls and triceps extensions and all

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #85 on: October 01, 2024, 05:09:08 PM »
Young use to do a lot of bodybuilding movements.Curls and triceps extensions and all

I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #86 on: October 01, 2024, 05:11:51 PM »
I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.
Of course in Young’s case someone who went to high school with him told me the very first time he lifted he benched 315 so my guess is any program was going to make him grow.Do you agree Van?

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #87 on: October 01, 2024, 05:55:33 PM »
Back in the dark ages when I competed in Powerlifting we did a lot of assistance exercises that were 'designed' to help the 3 main lifts.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #88 on: October 01, 2024, 06:00:19 PM »

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #89 on: October 01, 2024, 06:36:38 PM »

yes I remember that long blonde hair.Technique looks a little shaky there but he moved a lot of weight

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #90 on: October 01, 2024, 07:49:47 PM »
I'm sure. Most powerlifters do some of exercises although there are some who almost exclusively do just the S/B/D. Even then I think most muscles will hypertrophy, though not ideal for development.

Your post reminded me of an interesting case study conducted on IPF powerlifter Ray Williams. The study was published in the Asian Journal of Sports Medicine.

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https://brieflands.com/articles/asjsm-61763

TL;DR:Ray is 6' tall and weighed, at the time, 405lbs at 24,3% bodyfat.
-Fat-free mass (muscles and water) : 305,5lbs -- largest fat-free mass value in the published literature
-Skeletal muscle mass : 128lbs
-Skeletal muscle index : 17.2 kg/m2

• Only four of the 95 previously studied large-sized male athletes had a Skeletal Muscle Index of more than 15 kg/m2.
• Six super-heavyweight powerlifters averaged a Skeletal Muscle Mass of 113.7 pounds, and a Skeletal Muscle Index of 15.4 kg/m2 with the largest athlete being at 130.7 pounds and 16.5 kg/m2, respectively.


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Introduction: World powerlifting records within the super heavyweight class are typically held by those with not only the greatest absolute muscle strength but also the greatest amount of skeletal muscle mass (SM).

Case Presentation: We examined the absolute and relative SM and muscle architecture of a 30 year old drug-free raw (i.e. without the use of powerlifting supportive equipment) powerlifter (1.84 m standing height and 183.1 kg body mass) who competes in the super heavyweight division and holds world records in the squat (477.5 kg), deadlift (392.5 kg), and total (1105 kg). Because the MRI magnet is too small for very large athletes, we used an ultrasound prediction equation to estimate SM. We also used ultrasound to determine muscle architecture (isolated muscle thickness, pennation angle and fascicle length). This powerlifter had large values of fat-free mass (138.6 kg) and total SM (58.0 kg) compared with previously published values. When calculating the powerlifting performance per unit SM, this lifter not only had high levels of absolute strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat. Similarly, muscle thickness and pennation angle of the vastus lateralis were close to the highest values previously reported in the literature.


Conclusions: These results suggest that this powerlifter may be close to a physiologic limit with respect to muscle size and geometry.


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1. Introduction
Powerlifting comprises of three separate barbell-based lifts: squat, bench press, and the deadlift. Powerlifters attempt to lift the maximum weight possible for each of those lifts in order to form a total. This total is then made relative to body mass using the Wilks formula in order to determine the overall best lifter. Although there are eleven separate weight classes within male powerlifting, the world records in the super heavyweight class typically belong to the athletes with the greatest absolute muscular strength as well as the greatest skeletal muscle mass (SM) (1).

Previous studies in humans have often used fat-free mass (body mass without fat) to estimate total SM in the body and have reported that the upper limit of fat-free mass accumulation may be approximately 120 kg in males (2, 3). However, it is important to measure SM given that the ratio of SM to fat-free mass is often inconsistent among individual athletes (4, 5). Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is the recognized gold standard to measure SM (6). Unfortunately, it is impossible to measure SM in a large sized athlete because the space within the MRI magnet is limited (5). Therefore, with the reference value being MRI, we developed prediction equations to estimate SM from ultrasound measured muscle thickness (7). Furthermore, large-size muscles in athletes may possess differences in architectural characteristics with a greater pennation angle limiting changes in fascicle length (8 ) or a greater fascicle length limiting changes in pennation angle (9). The aim of this case study was to examine both the absolute and relative SM as well as the muscle architecture of the strongest raw powerlifter in the world and to compare these results with previously reported data.

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2. Case presentation and Discussion
2.1. Competition History and Methodological Approach

This case study reports the SM and strength of a 30 year old drug-free raw (i.e. without the use of powerlifting supportive equipment) powerlifter who competes in the super heavyweight division and holds world records in the squat (477.5 kg), deadlift (392.5 kg), and total (1105 kg).

This individual has won 3 National Championships as well as 4 World Championships with his most recent victory at the IPF World Classic Championships in Belarus. There he totaled 1090 kg across all three lifts at a body mass of 181.2 kg (Wilks of 585.98). His best squat, bench press, and deadlift that day were 470 kg, 242.5 kg, and 377.5 kg, respectively. This study was approved by the University’s institutional review board.

Muscle thickness was measured by B-mode ultrasound (Logiq e, L4-12t probe, GE, Fairfield, CT, USA) at nine sites (abdomen, anterior forearm, anterior and posterior upper arm, anterior and posterior upper-leg, anterior and posterior lower leg, and subscapula) on the right side of the body (Table 1) as described previously (10). This testing was carried out at least 24 hours after the last training session. From these measurements, total SM was estimated using the prediction equation by Sanada et al. (7). SM index was calculated as SM (kg) divided by height squared (m2). Test-retest reliability of muscle thickness measurements (ICC, SEM and minimal difference) was determined as described previously (11).



Muscle architecture of the vastus lateralis (midway between the lateral condyle and greater trochanter of the femur) was determined using B-mode ultrasound as described previously (12). Ultrasound images were obtained from a linear array probe held perpendicularly for the measurement of muscle thickness and parallel for the measurement of pennation angle and fascicle length. The distance between the subcutaneous adipose tissue-muscle interface and the deep aponeurosis of the vastus lateralis was accepted as the vastus lateralis muscle thickness. Pennation angle was determined as the angle between the echo from the deep aponurosis of the vastus lateralis and the interspaces among the fascicles of the vastus lateralis. The length of the fascicle across the deep and superficial aponeurosis was directly measured using ultrasound images on a display of the ultrasound system (12).

Subcutaneous fat thickness was measured using the same ultrasound images as described above. Body density was estimated from subcutaneous fat thickness using an ultrasound-derived prediction equation (10). Percent body fat was calculated from body density using the Brozek, Grande, Anderson, and Keys’s equation (13) and was used to calculate total fat mass. Fat-free mass was calculated as the difference between body mass and total fat mass. Body mass and standing height were measured to the nearest 0.1 kg and 0.1 cm, respectively, using a stadiometer and an electronic weight scale. Body mass index was calculated as body mass (kg)/standing height squared (m2).


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2.2. Body Fat and Fat-Free Mass
Standing height, body mass and body mass index were 1.84 m, 183.1 kg and 54.1 kg/m2, respectively. Ultrasound estimated percent body fat was 24.3%, and calculated fat-free mass was 138.6 kg. Several studies have investigated percent fat and fat-free mass using the underwater weighing technique on professional American football players (14), professional basketball players (14), and Japanese professional sumo wrestlers (2). The offensive linemen and defensive linemen averaged body fat percentages of 15.5% and 18.7%, respectively, with an estimated fat-free mass of 95.4 kg and 97.7 kg, respectively. The largest football player in that study had 107 kg of fat-free mass (14). A professional basketball player who played the center position had 100.7 kg of fat-free mass (15). Similarly, seven elite Japanese professional sumo wrestlers averaged 26.1% of percent body fat and 109 kg of fat-free mass. The largest fat-free mass in the sumo wrestlers was 121.3 kg, which was the largest fat-free mass value in the published literature (2). Compared with the previously published data, the 138.6 kg of fat-free mass in this case study was approximately 17 kg higher than that of the previously reported sumo wrestler (2).


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2.3. Muscle Mass and Powerlifting Performance
In this study, total SM and SM index were 58.0 kg and 17.2 kg/m2, respectively. Recently, we have reported on the relationship between SM index and body mass in male athletes and recreationally active men. The relationship was parabolic, reaching a plateau (approximately 17 kg/m2) beyond 120 kg of body mass (5). Only four of the 95 large-sized male athletes had a SM index of more than 15 kg/m2 (5). Further, our previous study investigating the SM of 20 elite male powerlifters (including 7 world and/or national champions) reported that the six super-heavyweight powerlifters averaged 51.6 (SD 4.3) kg for total SM and 15.4 (SD 1.2) kg/m2 for SM index, with the largest athlete being at 59.3 kg and 16.5 kg/m2, respectively (1). Thus, the SM and SM index values of the powerlifter reported in this case study are close to the highest values in the published literature.

Using this lifter’s most recent competition, we calculated the powerlifting performance per unit of SM (kg). His relative strength was 8.10 kg/kg for the squat, 4.18 kg/kg for the bench press, and 6.51 kg/kg for the deadlift. For comparison, the average values of the six heavyweight powerlifters reported previously were 6.95 kg/kg, 4.84 kg/kg, and 6.33 kg/kg, respectively (1). Thus, the powerlifter in this case study not only had high levels of absolute muscular strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat.


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2.4. Muscle Architecture
The muscle thickness, pennation angle and fascicle length of the vastus lateralis was 4.2 cm, 30 degrees and 8.2 cm, respectively. A previous study reported that seven heavyweight powerlifters averaged 3.7 cm for muscle thickness, 24 degrees for the pennation angle and 9.1 cm for fascicle length in the vastus lateralis (16). On the other hand, mean values of untrained young men were 2.3 - 2.4 cm for muscle thickness, 18 - 20 degrees for pennation angle and 6.9 - 7.2 cm for fascicle length in the vastus lateralis (17, 18). The powerlifter in the current investigation had a greater pennation angle of the vastus lateralis compared to previously reported heavyweight powerlifters (16) and untrained men (17, 18). Kawakami and colleagues (9) studied approximately 700 individuals (aged 3 - 94 years, including normal individuals and highly trained bodybuilders) and reported a range of muscle thickness (1.2 - 4.5 cm) and pennation angles (9 - 33 degrees) of the vastus lateralis. In this case study, the lifter approached the maximal values reported by Kawakami et al. (9) for both muscle thickness and pennation angle. These findings suggest that a very large vastus lateralis may be more related to an increase in pennation angle rather than fascicle length.



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3. Conclusions
The current strongest raw powerlifter in the world had greater values of fat-free mass and total SM compared to previously published values within the same population. When calculating the powerlifting performance per unit SM, this powerlifter not only had high levels of absolute strength but also had high levels of relative strength per unit SM, particularly in the squat. Similarly, muscle thickness and pennation angle of the vastus lateralis were close to the highest values previously reported in the literature. These results suggest that this powerlifter may be very close to a physiologic limit with respect to muscle size and geometry.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #91 on: October 01, 2024, 10:20:09 PM »
Of course in Young’s case someone who went to high school with him told me the very first time he lifted he benched 315 so my guess is any program was going to make him grow.Do you agree Van?

That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza  :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2024, 12:34:00 AM »
That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza  :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.
Yes, genetics trumps all. Even using the most effective program will only slightly increase results over another program.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2024, 12:41:59 AM »


Winning the world championships from 1973-76, Don Reinhoudt put up the biggest powerlifting numbers ever achieved. He held international all-division world records in all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.

His total of 2391 pounds (1084.5 kg.) in 1975 was the highest raw powerlifting total for 38 years! His raw squat record lasted 39 years! The guy was four decades ahead of his time.

He’s still one of the very few powerlifters to squat more than 900 pounds raw and bench press more than 600 pounds raw in the same competition.

For how long it took his records to be broken, you can make a good argument that he’s the GOAT of super-heavy powerlifting.

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« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2024, 12:50:54 AM »
^^^ They had much stricter rules then as well. Squats way deeper than today's quarter rep record holders.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #95 on: October 02, 2024, 12:56:06 AM »
That is a classic type quote that is often an exaggeration, but still based on a truth, that it's mostly natural ability. Most programs will probably work, even if pretty stupid, especially if drive is there, and if the need for success is there, mentally, you will constantly tweak thing depending on biofeedback and find what works best for you. This is just my pov. I had a friend in my early teens who benched 225 with almost zero lifting experience, but he was more interested in eating pizza  :D I needed a couple years at least to hit two plates.
Thanks for your reply.I always appreciate your well thought out answers Van.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #96 on: October 02, 2024, 12:57:31 AM »


Winning the world championships from 1973-76, Don Reinhoudt put up the biggest powerlifting numbers ever achieved. He held international all-division world records in all three lifts: squat, bench press, and deadlift.

His total of 2391 pounds (1084.5 kg.) in 1975 was the highest raw powerlifting total for 38 years! His raw squat record lasted 39 years! The guy was four decades ahead of his time.

He’s still one of the very few powerlifters to squat more than 900 pounds raw and bench press more than 600 pounds raw in the same competition.

For how long it took his records to be broken, you can make a good argument that he’s the GOAT of super-heavy powerlifting.
Reinhoudt was a beast!

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #97 on: October 02, 2024, 01:25:49 AM »
^^^ They had much stricter rules then as well. Squats way deeper than today's quarter rep record holders.
And very little supportive gear or monolifts....notice Don isn`t even wearing standard knee wraps in that pic.

Belt,wraps,chalk..............period.

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« Reply #98 on: October 02, 2024, 01:35:33 AM »
And very little supportive gear or monolifts....notice Don isn`t even wearing standard knee wraps in that pic.

Belt,wraps,chalk..............period.
Yep, all lifter. They also had to walk back with the weight. No hoist racks like today.

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Re: Greatest barbell squat set of all-time
« Reply #99 on: October 02, 2024, 02:40:06 AM »
Your post reminded me of an interesting case study conducted on IPF powerlifter Ray Williams.

Seems like stringent study but I still question the relatively low claimed BF% because he is FAT. The kind of fat that nullifies any strength feats in most peoples' minds  ;D