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I like that guy, anti-establishment.
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Beer and cardio avoid statins imo
Better yeat find what diet soon is the right one before you expire
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I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.
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I just dropped mine entirely....didn't consult my doctor or anything......fuck it.
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I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.
Lipitor is a big boy statin. Glad it works for you.
I am torn on the whole statin thing. I see reputable doctors make arguments for and against. I get the underlying arguments behind both, but I think there is no "one size fits all" here and treatment has to be tailored to the individual.
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I have a buddy that bragged about having a 140 cholesterol level. He just had a stent put in. I asked him about it. He said the 140 reading was due to statins and the doc told him he's lucky he found his clog in time. I think statin users have a false sense of protection.
If high cholesterol was the magic bullet why do people with low cholesterol get clog type heart attacks? Statins are one of the most prescribed drugs yet heart attacks are going up instead of down. Most of the research involved with statins was financed by the statin industry. Most studies show no increase in life span and one study shows a 2 year extension. Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension? They don't exist except for sponsored studies.
Some say a better blood marker for heart disease are sugar levels, CRP cardiac inflammation test, blood pressure and triglycerides. Many say your VO2 test is a better indicator of risk than cholesterol. Very few heart attacks with a good VO2 level and many with a bad VO2 level.
I don't know what to think about the statin craze. I know my cholesterol went way down when I lowered my permabulker look by 20lbs. I thought I looked good back then but in reality it was too much weight.
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I’m taking 20mg of atorvastatin on m,w,f and it’s working great that way. Made all my cholesterol almost perfect and I eat like ass and I’m 275 now. Taking it daily raised my blood sugar and liver values but taking it 3 days weekly provided same results without the sides.
Robc, don't eat like ass and you won't need it.
Statins have been linked to dementia.
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I have a buddy that bragged about having a 140 cholesterol level. He just had a stent put in. I asked him about it. He said the 140 reading was due to statins and the doc told him he's lucky he found his clog in time. I think statin users have a false sense of protection.
If high cholesterol was the magic bullet why do people with low cholesterol get clog type heart attacks? Statins are one of the most prescribed drugs yet heart attacks are going up instead of down. Most of the research involved with statins was financed by the statin industry. Most studies show no increase in life span and one study shows a 2 year extension. Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension? They don't exist except for sponsored studies.
Some say a better blood marker for heart disease are sugar levels, CRP cardiac inflammation test, blood pressure and triglycerides. Many say your VO2 test is a better indicator of risk than cholesterol. Very few heart attacks with a good VO2 level and many with a bad VO2 level.
I don't know what to think about the statin craze. I know my cholesterol went way down when I lowered my permabulker look by 20lbs. I thought I looked good back then but in reality it was too much weight.
Most of your questions are answered in the video.
He has others in more detail.
Most doctors just knee jerk you onto statins without much thought since it follows Standard of Care.
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Goodhart’s Law: when a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric.
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Goodhart’s Law: when a metric becomes a target, it ceases to be a good metric.
Very true.
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My cholesterol numbers weren’t good. Doctor told me to change my diet and do what I need to do to avoid her having to put me on statins. Vegan and lots of supplements. Taking red yeast rice from Jarrow Supplements and lots of other things.
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Remember this, the people who funded the tests that decide when your doctor precribes you statins are the medical companies who make the statins
Most people with "high" cholesterol only have it because they set the bar low.
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Remember this, the people who funded the tests that decide when your doctor precribes you statins are the medical companies who make the statins
Most people with "high" cholesterol only have it because they set the bar low.
Before I stopped taking them on my own I asked my doctor if I should.......her exact words were ....."Oh no,they`re the only thing keeping you alive' !
What a fucking quack she was.
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Never used a statin total cholesterol was 157 last bloodwork
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Why THE FUCK would you take a statin!? Do you understand the functions of cholesterol? If you take a statin, you're self harming on a deep level.
Just FYi cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. It's a bullshit correlation. Sugar and carbs should be correlated to heart disease.
DO. NOT. TAKE. STATINS. What the fuck. You're making yourself dumb and weak. Do your research. Deep research not funded by big pharma.
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Where are the meta studies showing the miraculous lowering of heart disease and life extension? They don't exist except for sponsored studies.
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There are plenty of meta studies that do just that. I suspect you’ve never actually reviewed the existing literature on the subject, or else you wouldn’t make such easily falsifiable statements.
Here’s just one such example:
Results Twenty-six studies were included: 22 trials (N = 90 624) with 6 months to 6 years of follow-up compared statins vs placebo or no statin, 1 trial (n = 5144) compared statin intensities, and 3 observational studies (n = 417 523) reported harms. Statins were significantly associated with decreased risk of all-cause mortality (risk ratio [RR], 0.92 [95% CI, 0.87 to 0.98]; absolute risk difference [ARD], −0.35% [95% CI, −0.57% to −0.14%]), stroke (RR, 0.78 [95% CI, 0.68 to 0.90]; ARD, −0.39% [95% CI, −0.54% to −0.25%]), myocardial infarction (RR, 0.67 [95% CI, 0.60 to 0.75]; ARD, −0.85% [95% CI, −1.22% to −0.47%]), and composite cardiovascular outcomes (RR, 0.72 [95% CI, 0.64 to 0.81]; ARD, −1.28% [95% CI, −1.61% to −0.95%])
Admittedly, “life extension” was not one of the outcomes measured, but the reduction in all-cause mortality is close enough. Let me know if you need help understanding these results.
Before you dismiss this study as “sponsored”, review the funding disclosures:
Conflict of Interest Disclosures: Dr Ferencik reported receiving grants from the American Heart Association and serving as a consultant for Biograph Inc. No other disclosures were reported.
Funding/Support: This research was funded under contract HHSA290201500007i; Group A, Task Order 75Q80119F32009, from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (AHRQ), US Department of Health and Human Services, under a contract to support the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF).
And this is just one of many meta studies and literature reviews reaching these conclusions. Do you have any published research that supports your claims? Please share.
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Last week
Total Cholesterol - 138 (< 200)
Triglyceride - 59 (< 150)
HDL 43 (> 40)
LDL 84 (<130)
Doctor looked at the results, then at my 54 year old gnarly ass - and asked if I was on Statins already. I told her no.
I drink like a fish, eat everything in sight, sleep irregular - I just walk 15-20km a day. My cholesterol was not like this before I started walking daily.
Odd
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Last week
Total Cholesterol - 138 (< 200)
Triglyceride - 59 (< 150)
HDL 43 (> 40)
LDL 84 (<130)
Doctor looked at the results, then at my 54 year old gnarly ass - and asked if I was on Statins already. I told her no.
I drink like a fish, eat everything in sight, sleep irregular - I just walk 15-20km a day. My cholesterol was not like this before I started walking daily.
Odd
must have a lot of free time
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There are plenty of meta studies that do just that. I suspect you’ve never actually reviewed the existing literature on the subject, or else you wouldn’t make such easily falsifiable statements.
Here’s just one such example:
Admittedly, “life extension” was not one of the outcomes measured, but the reduction in all-cause mortality is close enough. Let me know if you need help understanding these results.
Before you dismiss this study as “sponsored”, review the funding disclosures:
And this is just one of many meta studies and literature reviews reaching these conclusions. Do you have any published research that supports your claims? Please share.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10374064/#:~:text=Review%20of%20the%20population%20stratified,risk%20factors%20(Table%201).
https://www.healio.com/news/cardiology/20220314/metaanalysis-questions-strength-of-ties-between-statininduced-ldl-lowering-cv-outcomes
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2821624
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3531501/#:~:text=Statin%20therapy%20resulted%20in%20an,of%200.1%20to%202.8%20y.
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Getbig is an amazing place, people without a PHD in Pharmacy know more than a cardiologist ;D
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must have a lot of free time
lol - I have a small online business - so no commute and flexible hours.
I also don't watch TV - but I reckon I work 8 hours a day most days.
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The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.
He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.
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The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.
He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/genetic-factors-and-cholesterol
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The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.
He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.
No doubt this is the case for many people.
And of course big pharma has terrible influence and thrives off chronic disease and treatment.
But it's not the case for every individual.
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No doubt this is the case for many people.
And of course big pharma has terrible influence and thrives off chronic disease and treatment.
But it's not the case for every individual.
Yes, there are unusual circumstances where a statin may be useful.
Not common though. However, it is prescribed pervasively today by doctors.
The same as TRT which is only rarely necessary but is today widely used as a legal anabolic steroid.
Most people would rather take a drug than change their bad habits which lead to metabolic syndrome.
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Why THE FUCK would you take a statin!? Do you understand the functions of cholesterol? If you take a statin, you're self harming on a deep level.
Just FYi cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. It's a bullshit correlation. Sugar and carbs should be correlated to heart disease.
DO. NOT. TAKE. STATINS. What the fuck. You're making yourself dumb and weak. Do your research. Deep research not funded by big pharma.
Exactly, if cholesterol was the culprit the walls of veins would also be prone to plaque build up but it only happens in arteries
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Yes, there are unusual circumstances where a statin may be useful.
Not common though. However, it is prescribed pervasively today by doctors.
The same as TRT which is only rarely necessary but is today widely used as a legal anabolic steroid.
Most people would rather take a drug than change their bad habits which lead to metabolic syndrome.
Statins can alleviate inflammation to some level since they're anti inflammatory but that's about it. It's a scam
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No doubt this is the case for many people.
And of course big pharma has terrible influence and thrives off chronic disease and treatment.
But it's not the case for every individual.
exactly this.
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Yes, there are unusual circumstances where a statin may be useful.
Not common though. However, it is prescribed pervasively today by doctors.
The same as TRT which is only rarely necessary but is today widely used as a legal anabolic steroid.
Most people would rather take a drug than change their bad habits which lead to metabolic syndrome.
OK apart from the internet where or who told you that they are only used for "unusual" circumstances.
I understand there´s a few people on here who rant on about drugs...etc but you do not know as you have never been in treatment for heart disease.
are you going to start ranting on now about cancer & the Pharama industry?
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I´ll respect any man on here who has a serious illness & then gives me his opinions but otherwise i will not listen.
As i wrote before i´ve spoken to Doctors who i trust not some internet youtube shite.
People have to decide for themselves what they do but one thing i can say is due to my heart stents i am still here & my father lived longer due to medication.
I was told i was very, very lucky & believe me i have the utmost respect for the Doctors who saved my life.
Do i fear death not really but i now enjoy every day...when the Grim reaper comes it´s your time.
time waits for no man
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I´ll respect any man on here who has a serious illness & then gives me his opinions but otherwise i will not listen.
As i wrote before i´ve spoken to Doctors who i trust not some internet youtube shite.
People have to decide for themselves what they do but one thing i can say is due to my heart stents i am still here & my father lived longer due to medication.
I was told i was very, very lucky & believe me i have the utmost respect for the Doctors who saved my life.
Do i fear death not really but i now enjoy every day...when the Grim reaper comes it´s your time.
time waits for no man
Sorry about your clogged arteries but your stents have nothing to do with this discussion.
Stents are a mechanical solution to a problem decades in the making caused by inflammation.
Stents do not solve the cause.
Your lifelong health habits created your problems.
What lifestyle changes have you made beyond taking drugs to prevent the reclogging which the stents will not prevent?
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Your lifelong health habits created your problems.
It could also be genetic.
How else to you explain those who can go carnivore and have excellent bloodwork, or those whose LDL skyrockets, with most other factors - exercise, etc being equal.
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It could also be genetic.
How else to you explain those who can go carnivore and have excellent bloodwork, or those whose LDL skyrockets, with most other factors - exercise, etc being equal.
Could be genetic. Could be lifelong consumption of inflammatory foods.
Could be a combination.
Inflammation is now being understood as the primary cause of plaque buildup.
Inflammation is caused by excess carb consumption and resulting insulin resistance.
LDL levels appear to have little relevance as a factor.
Look up "lean mass hyper-responders".
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Sorry about your clogged arteries but your stents have nothing to do with this discussion.
Stents are a mechanical solution to a problem decades in the making caused by inflammation.
Stents do not solve the cause.
Your lifelong health habits created your problems.
What lifestyle changes have you made beyond taking drugs to prevent the reclogging which the stents will not prevent?
I thought you were a bit more intelligent..obviously I was wrong.
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The point of the video by Dr. Dhand is that making changes in lifestyle will elminate the need for statins and many other drugs that have negative side effects.
He believes such changes are not promoted due to the influence of Big Pharma.
You could promote lifestyle changes all you want. Make commercials, have your cardiologist talk to you about diet and exercise for 5 minutes each visit, hand out free gym memberships, but you cannot give certain people the willpower and motivation to eat a healthy diet and to get off their ass and move on a consistent basis.
I agree with you that diet and exercise, consistently over years and years, will do more for your health than most pills. I think people already know this and promoting it won't change their habits. That is not a problem the health care industry can solve.
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Inflammation is caused by excess carb consumption and resulting insulin resistance.
Not all carbs are inflammatory
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Why THE FUCK would you take a statin!? Do you understand the functions of cholesterol? If you take a statin, you're self harming on a deep level.
Just FYi cholesterol has nothing to do with heart disease. It's a bullshit correlation. Sugar and carbs should be correlated to heart disease.
DO. NOT. TAKE. STATINS. What the fuck. You're making yourself dumb and weak. Do your research. Deep research not funded by big pharma.
^^^^^^^THIS
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You could promote lifestyle changes all you want. Make commercials, have your cardiologist talk to you about diet and exercise for 5 minutes each visit, hand out free gym memberships, but you cannot give certain people the willpower and motivation to eat a healthy diet and to get off their ass and move on a consistent basis.
I agree with you that diet and exercise, consistently over years and years, will do more for your health than most pills. I think people already know this and promoting it won't change their habits. That is not a problem the health care industry can solve.
Good post and very true.
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I thought you were a bit more intelligent..obviously I was wrong.
Why didn't you answer my question?
What lifestyle changes have you made beyond taking drugs to prevent the reclogging which the stents will not prevent?
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You could promote lifestyle changes all you want. Make commercials, have your cardiologist talk to you about diet and exercise for 5 minutes each visit, hand out free gym memberships, but you cannot give certain people the willpower and motivation to eat a healthy diet and to get off their ass and move on a consistent basis.
I agree with you that diet and exercise, consistently over years and years, will do more for your health than most pills. I think people already know this and promoting it won't change their habits. That is not a problem the health care industry can solve.
Yes, this is true.
However, encouragement of eating garbage like the government funded school lunch program should be stopped.
Smoking ads are not allowed on TV. If that makes sense then junk food ads should be banned too.
People should be forced to eat broccoli.
;)
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Why didn't you answer my question?
What lifestyle changes have you made beyond taking drugs to prevent the reclogging which the stents will not prevent?
What do you recommend the "steak & eggs diet? " :D
Not all carbs are inflammatory
100% correct
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I´ll respect any man on here who has a serious illness & then gives me his opinions but otherwise i will not listen.
As i wrote before i´ve spoken to Doctors who i trust not some internet youtube shite.
People have to decide for themselves what they do but one thing i can say is due to my heart stents i am still here & my father lived longer due to medication.
I was told i was very, very lucky & believe me i have the utmost respect for the Doctors who saved my life.
Do i fear death not really but i now enjoy every day...when the Grim reaper comes it´s your time.
time waits for no man
A "competitor" and you have no idea how to eat to be healthy, that's why you are where you are. Enjoy your statins and hope you don't get dementia or any of the many associated sides. I assume you're the type that consumed mass amount of drugs, ate crap and now you're surprised to be where you are. People like you should just go away.
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What do you recommend the "steak & eggs diet? " :D
100% correct
Donny, you still didn't answer the question. ;)
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A "competitor" and you have no idea how to eat to be healthy, that's why you are where you are. Enjoy your statins and hope you don't get dementia or any of the many associated sides. I assume you're the type that consumed mass amount of drugs, ate crap and now you're surprised to be where you are. People like you should just go away.
Donny was military.
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A "competitor" and you have no idea how to eat to be healthy, that's why you are where you are. Enjoy your statins and hope you don't get dementia or any of the many associated sides. I assume you're the type that consumed mass amount of drugs, ate crap and now you're surprised to be where you are. People like you should just go away.
I've never used any steroids so wind it in pal.
Obviously you didn't read the link I sent.
I'll listen to my cardiologist first before a cretin on the Internet
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It could also be genetic.
How else to you explain those who can go carnivore and have excellent bloodwork, or those whose LDL skyrockets, with most other factors - exercise, etc being equal.
You're wasting your time Grape..he knows better.
Even top athletes can have a heart attack & it's had nothing to do with a life long of abuse or drug taking.
Genetics are definitely a factor.
https://www.modernheartandvascular.com/are-you-too-healthy-and-fit-to-worry-about-heart-disease/
Exactly what happened to me & in the same area
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Donny, you still didn't answer the question. ;)
I think that's the answer.
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I think that's the answer.
Please don't...he'll rant on about sandbags ;D
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Please don't...he'll rant on about sandbags ;D
Sandbags?
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Sandbags?
Yeah he's got an unhealthy obsession with sand bags ;D
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Donny,
Shame on you for resorting to personal attacks to avoid answering my question.
Don't be a Bhanky.
:D
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Donny,
Shame on you for resorting to personal attacks to avoid answering my question.
Don't be a Bhanky.
:D
Don't be so sensitive :D
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Yes, this is true.
However, encouragement of eating garbage like the government funded school lunch program should be stopped.
Smoking ads are not allowed on TV. If that makes sense then junk food ads should be banned too.
People should be forced to eat broccoli.
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Junk Food? There really is no such thing. By definition all food is healthy. Now if you are talking non food additives like preservatives and chemicals I would argue that is not food. If we are talking non food additives from packaging processing then I would say plastic bottled water is full of microplastics. I am more concerned about microplastic's than other non food additives. But regardless there is no such thing as junk food by definition or junk water all food and water is good for you. Non food and non water additives either deliberate or not is bad.
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Im a total kunt who doesnt know anything about this subject but I will insert myself where Im not wanted anyway
fuck off you high pitch yellow kunt
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Junk Food? There really is no such thing. By definition all food is healthy. Now if you are talking non food additives like preservatives and chemicals I would argue that is not food. If we are talking non food additives from packaging processing then I would say plastic bottled water is full of microplastics. I am more concerned about microplastic's than other non food additives. But regardless there is no such thing as junk food by definition or junk water all food and water is good for you. Non food and non water additives either deliberate or not is bad.
nobody cares about you mr stolen valour
take your obese heifer and the walking abortion you call Spencer and fuck off
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fuck off you high pitch yellow kunt
You are the one stalking me offsite you fucking fruit loop
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nobody cares about you mr stolen valour
take your obese heifer and the walking abortion you call Spencer and fuck off
False accusations of stolen valor, insulting of women and children wow 38 checks all the boxes for scumbag lowlife today
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False accusations of stolen valor, insulting of women and children wow 38 checks all the boxes for scumbag lowlife today
and nobody backs you as you are a scumbag
insult cancer sufferers?
threaten the handicapped?
and yet when it comes to protect your family you run to the authorities.
I can say what I want about you and your family and you will do nothing as you are a pussy.
as for insulting 'women' - not at all just anyone connected with you as you are a scumbag.
so em- yes she is an obese cum dumpster
your mum- couldnt even keep your bi sexual father happy
your son- he's 5 in nappies and can't read or write- he's a waste of life already Brian. and so are you.
please fuck off. literally nobody wants you here. nobody. how does that feel. to be universally hated and mocked?
when is your next crying video to SC? come on we need a laugh.
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You are the one stalking me offsite you fucking fruit loop
We need to know why you left the army Brian, you wont say so I have no option
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Junk Food? There really is no such thing. By definition all food is healthy. Now if you are talking non food additives like preservatives and chemicals I would argue that is not food. If we are talking non food additives from packaging processing then I would say plastic bottled water is full of microplastics. I am more concerned about microplastic's than other non food additives. But regardless there is no such thing as junk food by definition or junk water all food and water is good for you. Non food and non water additives either deliberate or not is bad.
so stagnant water is good for you.
you abject moron
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Bhanky,
Please clear up any rumors about your son still wearing diapers.
Does this run in your family?
Do you wear an adult diaper while riding your tricycle?
Are you able to urinate in a public restroom urinal?
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Bhanky,
Please clear up any rumors about your son still wearing diapers.
Does this run in your family?
Do you wear an adult diaper while riding your tricycle?
Are you able to urinate in a public restroom urinal?
Diarrhea runs in his family
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hankins has
shitty jeans
and
shitty genes
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Diarrhea runs in his family
I know a guy who can't use a public restroom urinal because he gets nervous and can't go.
He has to use a stall.
I'm wondering if Bhanky and/or his son wear diapers because they have a similar debilitating condition which should be added to the ailment list?
Not sure what such an ailment would be called.
Urinal-phobia...fear of public pissing? ???
(https://c.tenor.com/3sByVaYNtNEAAAAM/ace-ventura-jim-carrey.gif)
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I've never used any steroids so wind it in pal.
Obviously you didn't read the link I sent.
I'll listen to my cardiologist first before a cretin on the Internet
Im sure your “doctor” will ensure you have a healthy long life.🤡
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Junk Food? There really is no such thing. By definition all food is healthy. Now if you are talking non food additives like preservatives and chemicals I would argue that is not food. If we are talking non food additives from packaging processing then I would say plastic bottled water is full of microplastics. I am more concerned about microplastic's than other non food additives. But regardless there is no such thing as junk food by definition or junk water all food and water is good for you. Non food and non water additives either deliberate or not is bad.
Sugar is a superfood.
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fuck off you high pitch yellow kunt
LOL ;D
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Im sure your “doctor” will ensure you have a healthy long life.🤡
You'll probably choke on your boy friends cock 🤣
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Sugar is a superfood.
And tastes GREAT!!!
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And tastes GREAT!!!
Especially the jelly donut 🍩 :D
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Great movie.
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Great movie.
Yeah...but I like Platoon better
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so stagnant water is good for you.
you abject moron
Water is good for you if there is non water shit in the water that is bad you fucking imbecile
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Sugar is a superfood.
Absolutely
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Im a coward who cant answer why he didnt do his full army term because it will make me even less of a man I already am.
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Water is good for you if there is non water shit in the water that is bad you fucking imbecile
You wrote ALL food and water is good for you
Stagnant water isn’t you mong
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You'll probably choke on your boy friends cock 🤣
Eat shit, C unt!🖕Hope your stents burst. 🤡
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You wrote ALL food and water is good for you
Stagnant water isn’t you mong
Stagnant water just means it isn't flowing it doesn't mean it is bad and again it is water is in the water that is bad water itself is never bad
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Stagnant water just means it isn't flowing it doesn't mean it is bad and again it is water is in the water that is bad water itself is never bad
Fuckoff you stolen valour police calling retard raising obese wife having bald bullshitting coward