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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tre on May 03, 2006, 10:49:02 AM
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http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/events.htm
Where'd the new name come from?
And does this mean that they've started paying proper taxes now?
heh heh heh
The new logo is cool, though.
(http://www.ifbb.com/ifbbpro/images/IFBBProLeague.jpg)
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The name was changed to the "pro league" from the "Pro division" to avoid any confusion with Wayne impending "Pro Div Inc."....
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The name was changed to the "pro league" from the "Pro division" to avoid any confusion with Wayne impending "Pro Div Inc."....
Oh now its 'impending' .. is this the radio , cause the TUNE HAS JUST CHANGED...remember all the .."I will believe it when I see it " jibber jabber....
I guess this PDI thing has been offically recognized by the IFBB Athlete Rep
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It is funny how some of the hardcore IFBB supporters who refuse to believe the PDI is here yet the IFBB knows very well it is here and is already doing damage and forcing change. I think the log sucks. I can't believe it looks so plain and old. Almost like a school kid designed it.
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I think the log sucks. I can't believe it looks so plain and old. Almost like a school kid designed it.
Yup, I gotta agree. Looks like they went and got all original and stole the old PamAm logo. That's good work boys. ;D
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im·pend ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pnd)
intr.v. im·pend·ed, im·pend·ing, im·pends
1. To be about to occur: Her retirement is impending.
2. To threaten to happen; menace: discouraged by the trouble that impended.
Keith, as usual...
NOTHING has taken place yet...not a show, not a sponsor named, not an athlete paid...until that happens, it's speculation and IMPENDING at best. Much like the Toronto Pro...It can be pulled at any minute for lack of support, both financially and ticket sales.
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im·pend ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pnd)
intr.v. im·pend·ed, im·pend·ing, im·pends
1. To be about to occur: Her retirement is impending.
2. To threaten to happen; menace: discouraged by the trouble that impended.
Yes Dictionaries show the meanings of words, however your early rhetoric suggested that this 'federation' was similar to that of what Craig was talking about,the 'japanese' federation, the one that failed to materialized.....
Now your tune has changed and guess what chick , still no PDI show...
i guess its good to not be in competetion anymore, now you can eat anything, like the words you spoke ...
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im·pend ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-pnd)
intr.v. im·pend·ed, im·pend·ing, im·pends
1. To be about to occur: Her retirement is impending.
2. To threaten to happen; menace: discouraged by the trouble that impended.
Keith, as usual...
NOTHING has taken place yet...not a show, not a sponsor named, not an athlete paid...until that happens, it's speculation and IMPENDING at best. Much like the Toronto Pro...It can be pulled at any minute for lack of support, both financially and ticket sales.
Respectfully Bob,you are right,but....
I think it is safe to say That Pro Division is more than speculation. Otherwise, why would the IFBB be worried about there being any confusion between the two?
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They're not.
It was Wayne that worked on the whole "Pro division" thing when he was still with the IFBB.
The language was changed within the IFBB rules to include the word "pro division" as a division amongst the IFBB.
When Wayne went on his own, he retained the rights to the name "pro division" and decided to use it to form his corp.
In order to avoid any confusion between the parties, and any legal rights problems...the IFBB decided to simply change the name to Pro League to distinguish between the two...
Until a show comes to fruition, Jack...it can't be anything but speculation.
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They're not.
It was Wayne that worked on the whole "Pro division" thing when he was still with the IFBB.
The language was changed within the IFBB rules to include the word "pro division" as a division amongst the IFBB.
When Wayne went on his own, he retained the rights to the name "pro division" and decided to use it to form his corp.
In order to avoid any confusion between the parties, and any legal rights problems...the IFBB decided to simply change the name to Pro League to distinguish between the two...
Until a show comes to fruition, Jack...it can't be anything but speculation.
So I guess any future IFBB shows are also just specualtion.
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Why would they be speculation? The IFBB has a 50 year history...
Most shows are required to have the sanction fee paid up front, and the prize money put in escrow...Toronto was given some slack by Manion, to try and help Winston get his shit together, and keep the ball rolling.
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Why would they be speculation? The IFBB has a 50 year history...
Most shows are required to have the sanction fee paid up front, and the prize money put in escrow...Toronto was given some slack by Manion, to try and help Winston get his shit together, and keep the ball rolling.
Well that's my point. If it can happen to Toronto it can happen to any of them other than the O and AC I would imagine. The Cally Pro didn't do too well last year either, so maybe it is next.
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...and I guess it can happen in the PDI, who has NO history... cant it?
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im·pend
1. To be about to occur: Chick retirement is impending.
2. To threaten to happen; menace: discouraged by the trouble that impended.
"Until a show comes to fruition, Jack...it can't be anything but speculation."
Speculaiton:
A guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence
Thats like saying...
well we are going to get in a car a drive cause we know that there is a car outside and we have the keys to drive it, but until we do drive we might not be able to drive because us going outside with the keys and having the car there may not be possible...
That my friend is a contradicting statement broken down using logic...
You know what logic is ??
For instance
If ppl are judged on physique , then the best physique wins the contest...
Ok maybe you dont know what logic is ...
Thanks Try Again,
I go to Columbia University and you dont :-* :-* :-*
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...and I guess it can happen in the PDI, who has NO history... cant it?
It sure can. ;)
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Speculaiton:
A guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence
a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence
Thats like saying...
well we are going to get in a car a drive cause we know that there is a car outside and we have the keys to drive it, but until we do drive we might not be able to drive because us going outside with the keys and having the car there may not be possible...
That my friend is a contradicting statement broken down using logic...
You know what logic is ??
For instance
If ppl are judged on physique , then the best physique wins the contest...
Ok maybe you dont know what logic is ...
Thanks Try Again,
I go to Columbia University and you dont :-* :-* :-*
Logic would dictate that a federation with a 50 year history, a base of 200 pro athletes, sponsorship dollars in place, and shows with many years of being run (Arnold, Olympia, Ironman, etc) and that 99% of the shows listed and advertised, come to be...
have a much better chance than a federation that has yet to put on a show, pay an athlete, secure a sponsor, advertise a show, list judges aand officials, and actually see the LIGHT OF DAY...
Get that, Mr. Spock? ;D
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Logic would dictate that a federation with a 50 year history, a base of 200 pro athletes, sponsorship dollars in place, and shows with many years of being run (Arnold, Olympia, Ironman, etc) and that 99% of the shows listed and advertised, come to be...
have a much better chance than a federation that has yet to put on a show, pay an athlete, secure a sponsor, advertise a show, list judges aand officials, and actually see the LIGHT OF DAY...
Get that, Mr. Spock? ;D
Doesn't seem like the 50 year track record is doing them much good latley. Let's talk about now, that is what matters. For the past 3 years or so they have been going down hill. Now, whether this has anything to do with Wayne or not I don't know, but they better get their act together. This Toronto thing is just another black eye for them. Put the blame on whoever you want to it doesn't matter. You're saying that since there is the NY Pro then it's ok, but what if there wasn't? Many here ask why the IFBB just doesn't run their own shows. It's because other than the Olympia and the AC, none of them make a profit or much of one. The IFBB gets their sanction money and they're happy.
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Logic would dictate that a federation with a 50 year history, a base of 200 pro athletes, sponsorship dollars in place, and shows with many years of being run (Arnold, Olympia, Ironman, etc) and that 99% of the shows listed and advertised, come to be...
have a much better chance than a federation that has yet to put on a show, pay an athlete, secure a sponsor, advertise a show, list judges aand officials, and actually see the LIGHT OF DAY...
Get that, Mr. Spock? ;D
So your taking back your IMPENDING statment ??
im·pend
1. To be about to occur:
You said that didnt you ??
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Why would they be speculation? The IFBB has a 50 year history...
they claim it's a 60 year history, but they've held contests consistantly since 1959. the first congress of the amateur IFBB was held in 1964. they incorporated in Canada in 1969.
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...and I guess it can happen in the PDI, who has NO history... cant it?
It does have a history - it failed.
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they incorporated in Canada in 1969.
Does this mean that the IFBB conducts no official business in the U.S.?
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Why would they be speculation? The IFBB has a 50 year history...
Most shows are required to have the sanction fee paid up front, and the prize money put in escrow...Toronto was given some slack by Manion, to try and help Winston get his shit together, and keep the ball rolling.
Yea the Toronto Pro shows exhibits the 50 year history, The escalating demise of the Olympia shows the 50 year history. I can go on and on about the 50 year history of the IFBB. From all indications of the past few years anything the IFBB does now is speculation. The Toronto Pro proves this as will a couple other shows this year. Even though the PDI has yet to do their frist show, it is more reality than the IFBB. Now pros are getting into shape to do a show but are not 100% guaranteed it will happen. That is instability defined to the max. Now any show the IFBB sanctions will be speculation. Sorry but those are facts.
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...and I guess it can happen in the PDI, who has NO history... cant it?
I agree with this 100%. But it hasn't yet. The IFBB has a history of cancelling shows, the PDI doesn't.
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The PDI has the same history as most prom dates.
Promise the world... Produce NOTHING!
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Logic would dictate that a federation with a 50 year history, a base of 200 pro athletes, sponsorship dollars in place, and shows with many years of being run (Arnold, Olympia, Ironman, etc) and that 99% of the shows listed and advertised, come to be...
have a much better chance than a federation that has yet to put on a show, pay an athlete, secure a sponsor, advertise a show, list judges aand officials, and actually see the LIGHT OF DAY...
Get that, Mr. Spock? ;D
CHic, take a break from the board you are looking worse and worse with every post. Go have lunch. I like you man but as I said you are loyal to the wrong people. You cannot defend the IFBB and make it sound like they are right. You keep saying the 50 year history, established sponsor base and the many shows and such then wouldn't you think they would have their shit together after all those years. But the DON'T. They run the IFBB like a bunch of newcomers that have never done this before. You are fighting a losing battle buddy. Give it up you don't need the stress. get back to just going to shows and being nice all the time. Call your agent go out on 2 or 3 calls a day. You will feel much better I promise. But defending the IFBB when they don't have a leg to stand on is going to deteriorate you.
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The IFBB has a history of cancelling shows, the PDI doesn't.
Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.
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Why would Wayne be so gleeful that he took the name "Pro Division Incorporated" away from the IFBB. Could there be a worst name for a bodybuilding organization than Pro Division Incorporated? It could've been the Pro Bodybuilding League, but now that's too close to the IFBB. D'oh!
We really need to help him out and come up with a real name.
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The PDI has the same history as most prom dates.
Promise the world... Produce NOTHING!
Calm down!!!
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they claim it's a 60 year history, but they've held contests consistantly since 1959. the first congress of the amateur IFBB was held in 1964. they incorporated in Canada in 1969.
Thank you Tim. I was hoping someone would show up and reveal this venerable institution is built on smoke and mirrors and does not see stooping to changing dates and disingenuous. I think there is an Orwell quote that is apt (and I'm paraphrasing): 'whoever controls the past controls the future; those who control the present control the past.' Come on Bob, somewhere in there is a decent guy, but all this doublespeak leaves you looking like the IFBB propaganda Minister.
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They're not.
It was Wayne that worked on the whole "Pro division" thing when he was still with the IFBB.
The language was changed within the IFBB rules to include the word "pro division" as a division amongst the IFBB.
When Wayne went on his own, he retained the rights to the name "pro division" and decided to use it to form his corp.
In order to avoid any confusion between the parties, and any legal rights problems...the IFBB decided to simply change the name to Pro League to distinguish between the two...
Until a show comes to fruition, Jack...it can't be anything but speculation.
I think it is really funny how people argue semantics untill they are blue in the face. Fact is, Bob is right, unitll we have our first show, nothing has happened yet. I like to believe that this is not all for nothin' as they say.
I am banking on it.......
All, in all though, can't argue with what Bob is saying.....
And since I am on the subject, although i am not in the IFBB, I just want to say i admire you Bob, for at least trying to things for the athletes in the ifbb, at least you try, there is alot to be said for that.
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That logo is great. >:( Imagine all the kids wanting to wear that on their T-shirt or hat. Let me guess... Rembrandt and Monet were brought back from the dead, to design for the IFBB.
The IFBB can not do anything right.
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Having read the negative things written about you here, I am well aware of how little regard people have for the opinions or physiques of others.
Do you dispute that it is the promoters who cancel shows?
Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?
Those are not opinions, they're facts.
Considering you're one of the founding members of the PDI, I'd hardly call you impartial. Your use of the word "minion" would be better used to descibe yourself and your involvement with Wayne - a servile or fawning dependant.
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Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.
That was weak. ::)
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Promoters cancel shows.
The PDI has a history iof being cancelled.
Kevin Horton-
Please explain PDI's "history of being cancelled".
We're listening.
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Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?
were any shows actually scheduled? any venues actually rented?
postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing
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Nobody would ever put YOU in a peanut galley, sweetie..!
Keep fighting the good fight.
This post will make her day! ;D
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were any shows actually scheduled? any venues actually rented?
postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing
Exactly. Kevin has some sort of grudge agaist anything not IFBB. He gets all mixed up inside. I think we all see it. We just have to try to bear with him till he gets over it and realizes the cancelling of the Toronto Pro is just the beginning. It's too bad cause now he may have to go back taking pictures of little kids and their pets. Sorry Kevin you have been owned or whatever else it is called
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Kevin Horton-
Please explain PDI's "history of being cancelled".
We're listening.
Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.
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Exactly. Kevin has some sort of grudge agaist anything not IFBB. He gets all mixed up inside. I think we all see it. We just have to try to bear with him till he gets over it and realizes the cancelling of the Toronto Pro is just the beginning. It's too bad cause now he may have to go back taking pictures of little kids and their pets. Sorry Kevin you have been owned or whatever else it is called
I have no grudge against Wayne or the PDI. If anyone has a clear agenda against the IFBB, Jim Manion, the Weiders etc. it's you! Your hatred for everything even has you hoping Shawn's show fails and you are relishing the facy that the Toronto show was cancelled. If shows fail, athletes lose.
What I have is an opinion just as you do. You see the PDI as viable, I do not. That's opinions. We are both entitled to them. Unfortunately, you choose to insult people with different ones, even to the point of wishing them an early death!
I welcome any new organisation that would allow more athletes to earn a living from this sport.
What I do not believe is that the PDI are the ones to do it. That's my opinion.
Now waddle off back to Wayne and have him compose your reply.
As for photographing little kids, isn't that what floats your boat? I've never done it.
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Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.
Kevin, since you know so much and no one else seems to knwo what you know can you help u out a little.
Where was the PDI show held that failed.(city and state)
How many people showed up.
How many people lost money (fans and sponsors)
How many competitors were just so pissed because they had dieted and trained and even bought plane tickets
What was the prize money and did everyone get paid
What was the date of the show
What were just two of the headliner BB's that were competiting
How many pros had contracts for the show
What magazines had ads in them promting the show and can you scan one to show us.
How much was the sanction fee
Was the figure contest good
Who won
Kevin, please answer these so we all can get a better vision of how the PDI failed back in 04. Thanks buddy for all your help. We are there with you
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were any shows actually scheduled? any venues actually rented?
postponing the start of a business is not the same as failing
2004 NOC was held as a PDI event. When Wayne arrived in Hungary two weeks later he was told quite clearly that he would have nothing to do with the show. It was an IFBB event.
Would you call that a failure or a cancellation?
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Where'd the new name come from?
IFBB Pro Division was the name for the last few years. Wayne owns the name Pro Division in the United States. Instaed of keeping IFBB Pro Division and having it confused with Pro Division Inc., they changed the name, and the logo for the IFBB, aka Professional League. Are they aware of the PDI - yes, of course - after all, it is Wayne, and I would be mildly concerned. So they changed the name to avoid any confusion in the future. And yes, it was confusing to some.
Well it was tried before, Wayne had high hopes for it but when it failed he "cancelled" it.
Well, this is a little more difficult. Wayne wanted to start the Pro Division, with the backing of others. The backers didn't come through, so Wayne effectively was out, and chose not to continue. Technically, the Night of Champions was an IFBB event, even though it said Pro Division on there, and Pro Division was running it. The other shows that were planned were allegedly IFBB shows that would come and join the PDI - and that didn't happen. They weren't cancelled, they just didnt change.
the PDI failed back in 04
Yes, it did. No question about it. What many pro's at the Florida Pro show were wondering, and many people at the Night of Champions were wondering was if this PDI or Pro Division was going to take over. It was definately news, and since Wayne was a key figure for many years, many didn't doubt what he was saying. No one knew what was going on between the Florida Pro and at least four days before the Night of Champions, until the press release came out saying that AMI and Weider's will continue to support the IFBB, and Wayne has no connection. It was that simple. So yes, the PDI did fail back in 2004.
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2004 NOC.
You've seen the letter yourself so why ask?
Here's the letter.
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Kevin, since you know so much and no one else seems to knwo what you know can you help u out a little.
Keith,
Whatever I say, you're going to accuse me of being biased towards the IFBB so maybe you should listen to what Ron has to say. He was there, he saw what happened in the US and he was and I believe still is the registrant of the PDI's first web address.
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just call him onlyme, this is confusing
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just call him onlyme, this is confusing
Probably for him too ::)
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Having read the negative things written about you here, I am well aware of how little regard people have for the opinions or physiques of others.
Do you dispute that it is the promoters who cancel shows?
Do you dispute that the PDI failed in 2004?
Those are not opinions, they're facts.
Considering you're one of the founding members of the PDI, I'd hardly call you impartial. Your use of the word "minion" would be better used to descibe yourself and your involvement with Wayne - a servile or fawning dependant.
What is written here is meaningless. I have been told, privately, by most of my so called"citics" who have been negative at me, that it is all in fun and that they have nothing but respect. I don't beleive that people on this thread are against me or PDI.
In addition, I am not a founder of PDI, just an athlete, and supporter.
Also, don't think for one second that I am dependent on the PDI, IFbb, or anything, or anybody, I am a different animal all together, I have a job, a life, other than bodybuilding, and my life does not teter on whether or not the PDI makes it.
You, on the other hand, make a living on pictures, and you need the IFBB- I have never met you, but know your rep, and it is not good. My reputation, is flawless.
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Anybody else bored of these discussions.
PDI Supporter: The IFBB are scared!
IFBB Supporter: The PDI exists only in concept, the proof is in the pudding!
Rinse and repeat..
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True or False:
David Pecker initially agreed to be part of the original PDI effort back in 2004?
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True or False:
David Pecker initially agreed to be part of the original PDI effort back in 2004?
That's what Wayne told me at the time and repeated in a telephone conversation a while back. No idea if it was true though/
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I have never met you, but know your rep, and it is not good. My reputation, is flawless.
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Who deleted your original post where you called me an "IFBB Minion"?
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Who deleted your original post where you called me an "IFBB Minion"?
I don't know. But i did say it.
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I don't know. But i did say it.
Very odd.
Well I respect your opinion over the PDI but I fail to see why you have to get personal over it.
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Very odd.
Well I respect your opinion over the PDI but I fail to see why you have to get personal over it.
Well, maybe it was my mistake, it seemed you were getting personal first. If I was wrong, I apologize, I never stike first.
I am not the attacking type, and even if you are with the IFBB, thats cool with me. My only true issue with the ifbb is that they only recognize the npc, which i feel is corrupt. I have won several big NABBA shows and feel I should have been recognized, just as Wayne has. I thought you were saying that I was a second rate bodybuilder, now if i read into your posts and read into them wrong, then i am certainly sorry for attacking you, and if this is true i retract my statement.
When I spoke of your rep, I simnply meant that your opinion is biased to the IFBB, but again, i am not in the game of fighting, so if I was wrong about your attitude, I am sorry.
Jack London
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Jack-
There are a million examples of sports teams only recognizing their affiliates/ farm clubs, etc.
MLB only recognizes the farm teams they're associated with, Boxing only recognizes their own rankings, not the ones from other federations... Ralph's doesn't recognize coupons from Albertsons, Verizon doesn't recognize Sprint.....etc, etc. They're different companies.
Why would the IFBB, who has a affiliation with the NPC as their amateur org., recognize some other group?
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I thought you were saying that I was a second rate bodybuilder
He doesn't need to say it.... You couldn't crack top 15 at USAs... Couldn't make top 5 last year at a national qualifying show... Matter of fact second rate would be giving you a compliment...
;)
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Well, maybe it was my mistake, it seemed you were getting personal first. If I was wrong, I apologize, I never stike first.
I am not the attacking type, and even if you are with the IFBB, thats cool with me. My only true issue with the ifbb is that they only recognize the npc, which i feel is corrupt. I have won several big NABBA shows and feel I should have been recognized, just as Wayne has. I thought you were saying that I was a second rate bodybuilder, now if i read into your posts and read into them wrong, then i am certainly sorry for attacking you, and if this is true i retract my statement.
When I spoke of your rep, I simnply meant that your opinion is biased to the IFBB, but again, i am not in the game of fighting, so if I was wrong about your attitude, I am sorry.
Jack London
Jack,
If I do have to eat humble pie and the PDI do hold an event in London, drinks are on me.
I never make personal attacks on athletes or "rate" them. Although in private if they've asked me an opinion then my honesty has often got me in trouble! It's amazing how a little statement like "Your upper chest needs a little work" can be misinterpreted to mean "You look like shit" by some people ;D
I've said before that personal opinions are always going to be biased to some degree by knowledge or affiliations etc. but my doubts regarding the PDI have nothing to do with my support of the IFBB.
I hope that at some time in the future the professional side of the support will grow so that every pro can earn a decent living but with promoters finding it increasingly difficult to find sponsors and fill seats, I don't think it's going to happen for a while.
Good luck
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Jack-
There are a million examples of sports teams only recognizing their affiliates/ farm clubs, etc.
MLB only recognizes the farm teams they're associated with, Boxing only recognizes their own rankings, not the ones from other federations... Ralph's doesn't recognize coupons from Albertsons, Verizon doesn't recognize Sprint.....etc, etc. They're different companies.
Why would the IFBB, who has a affiliation with the NPC as their amateur org., recognize some other group?
Well, I see what you are saying, but drawing from other federations would lighten the strangelhold of the npc. It really is a type of monoploy, you don't go through the npc, you don't get to be in the IFBB. Thats fine by the way, i was just saying that this is why I went to PDI.
I have cracked both the top 15 in a national npc show, as well as winning a regional show. So spicy, stfu.
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Jack,
If I do have to eat humble pie and the PDI do hold an event in London, drinks are on me.
I never make personal attacks on athletes or "rate" them. Although in private if they've asked me an opinion then my honesty has often got me in trouble! It's amazing how a little statement like "Your upper chest needs a little work" can be misinterpreted to mean "You look like shit" by some people ;D
I've said before that personal opinions are always going to be biased to some degree by knowledge or affiliations etc. but my doubts regarding the PDI have nothing to do with my support of the IFBB.
I hope that at some time in the future the professional side of the support will grow so that every pro can earn a decent living but with promoters finding it increasingly difficult to find sponsors and fill seats, I don't think it's going to happen for a while.
Good luck
Well, thats cool,, and I do respect your opinion. I'm sure my guard is way up, as is Chick's, over the fools that make stupid personal remarks.
Thanks for your response, you have proven to be a class act, and earned my respect, just as Chick has.
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He doesn't need to say it.... You couldn't crack top 15 at USAs... Couldn't make top 5 last year at a national qualifying show... Matter of fact second rate would be giving you a compliment...
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See what I mean Kevin? it's ridiclous, idiotic, incorrect statements like this that have made me so defensive.
Even after I extended my hand to this idiot, in freindship....via pm.
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See what I mean Kevin? it's ridiclous, idiotic, incorrect statements like this that have made me so defensive.
Even after I extended my hand to this idiot, in freindship....via pm.
It must be frustrating?
It's akways the ones who hide behind an alias that shout the loudest crap.
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Rhino is a hottie!
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the PDI will have qualified judges not promoters who travel like gypsies from show to show and "judge"
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Rhino is a hottie!
It's the fucking cool guys like superstar, that even it all out. So yes Kevin it is frustrating, but for every one idiot, there are a hundred Rhino supporters.
Superstar!!! Whats is up my brother? Toss any midgets lately?
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It's always the ones who hide behind an alias that shout the loudest crap.
Amen to that.
Gotta love 'em... :-\
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It's the fucking cool guys like superstar, that even it all out. So yes Kevin it is frustrating, but for every one idiot, there are a hundred Rhino supporters.
Superstar!!! Whats is up my brother? Toss any midgets lately?
nothing much just shoving a couple chicago style hot dogs down my fat face ;D
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nothing much just shoving a couple chicago style hot dogs down my fat face ;D
Fuck, I love hotdogs, I miss them already.........
won't be having one of those, for like 7 months!
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f**k, I love hotdogs, I miss them already.........
won't be having one of those, for like 7 months!
LOL don't worry I'll have a couple hundred for ya!
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LOL don't worry I'll have a couple hundred for ya!
are you still going to the PDI show in Orlando. Let me know, we can hook up...
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are you still going to the PDI show in Orlando. Let me know, we can hook up...
naw wasn't planning on it unless you want to fly me out in your private jet ;D.......no really i never mention that too far for me.
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naw wasn't planning on it unless you want to fly me out in your private jet ;D.......no really i never mention that too far for me.
Oh, I thought you were in Florida.
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Oh, I thought you were in Florida.
no Arizona member you were gonna fly out here and kick my ass ;D............240 and Mike .A live there with some hot blonde.
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no Arizona member you were gonna fly out here and kick my ass ;D............240 and Mike .A live there with some hot blonde.
240 and Mike live together? ;D
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no Arizona member you were gonna fly out here and kick my ass ;D............240 and Mike .A live there with some hot blonde.
Oh yeah, I forgot. I don't feel like kickin your ass anymore(LOL). You are my boy.....
I will come to AZ. and party, hey, Mike morris live in Glendale, is that near you? He is a freind, very cool guy.
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There are a million examples of sports teams only recognizing their affiliates/ farm clubs, etc.
The key word there is "Teams". Of course, you don't want your NFL QB playing overseas in the offseason and getting hurt- It hurts the teams chances, and he is being paid to be on the team.
But in individual sports, competitors are usually free to compete as they please. If Tiger Woods wants to play putt-putt in Saudi Arabia, he can. If Serena Williams wants to play doubles in a Mickey mouse Tourney in Hong Kong for $2M appearance fee, she is free to.
In the individual sport of BBing, there are not salaries. You do not let a team down by getting hurt or doing something else that day. BBers should be able to make a living by competing anywhere they want, as long as the IFBB isn't putitng food on their table.
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The key word there is "Teams". Of course, you don't want your NFL QB playing overseas in the offseason and getting hurt- It hurts the teams chances, and he is being paid to be on the team.
But in individual sports, competitors are usually free to compete as they please. If Tiger Woods wants to play putt-putt in Saudi Arabia, he can. If Serena Williams wants to play doubles in a Mickey mouse Tourney in Hong Kong for $2M appearance fee, she is free to.
In the individual sport of BBing, there are not salaries. You do not let a team down by getting hurt or doing something else that day. BBers should be able to make a living by competing anywhere they want, as long as the IFBB isn't putitng food on their table.
There is a law that states you cannot hinder a person from earning a living in their chosen profession. I think by monpolizing the funnel system, the ifbb dos exactly that. I know of many instances(including my own personal experience) where a bodybuilder did not get a fair shake, due to personality conflicts on one level or another.
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Oh yeah, I forgot. I don't feel like kickin your ass anymore(LOL). You are my boy.....
I will come to AZ. and party, hey, Mike morris live in Glendale, is that near you? He is a freind, very cool guy.
yeah I live in peoria it's right next to glendale....do you know what gym he trains at?
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There are a million examples of sports teams only recognizing their affiliates/ farm clubs, etc.
MLB only recognizes the farm teams they're associated with, Boxing only recognizes their own rankings, not the ones from other federations... Ralph's doesn't recognize coupons from Albertsons, Verizon doesn't recognize Sprint.....etc, etc. They're different companies.
Why would the IFBB, who has a affiliation with the NPC as their amateur org., recognize some other group?
Not to sure about this one. MLB teams get there players from many many sources. You can play pro baseball without having to go throught the farm system. High school, college, mexican leagues and many other leagues are used to pool players into the MLB. If a scout sees a kid throwing 100mph and hitting balls 400' in his backyard, that kid is going to sign. Boxing does to, in fact they unify their belts. Thats is why one guy can have several belts from several different organiztions. And allot of markets accept coupons from other markets. IN fact some offer a 2 times coupon values from other stores. And now cell phones companies are lettng people keep their cell numbers even if the swtich companies.
The IFBB is defintiey the "major league" in Bodybuilding and should get their competitors from as many sources as possible. As long as the person can qualify to be on the stage with other IFBB prs then why not. Also, the IFBB not allowing their own members comepte in another organization especially when they di not employ or pay the members on a regualr basis is wrong. Each person should be able to do what they want to make money.
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yeah I live in peoria it's right next to glendale....do you know what gym he trains at?
No, but i will find out. you should meet him, good person to know.
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There is a law that states you cannot hinder a person from earning a living in their chosen profession. I think by monpolizing the funnel system, the ifbb dos exactly that. I know of many instances(including my own personal experience) where a bodybuilder did not get a fair shake, due to personality conflicts on one level or another.
There are a few things working against the IFBB that did not exist until recent times.
1) People know more, in general, about the IFBB's shady business practices today than 10 years ago
2) The internet allows concerned individuals to communicate with one another on an almost instant basis, giving them the ability to put similar ideas in one place
3) forums like these enable concerned individuals to put IFBB promoters, officials, and judges on the spot...and eventually, they will have to answer
4) people are smarter than they used to be - they know understand that the IFBB isn't really the ticket to anything...and that they can make a lot more money building their own enterprises, etc
I hope the PDI plays it straight from day one.
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I hope the PDI plays it straight from day one.
If they don't there will be many people there to point it out. With that many eyes on him, I think Wayne won't have a choice but to be on his best behavior.