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Title: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2024, 02:19:22 AM
N Korean soldiers like lambs to the slaughter
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Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Brenda Steunbeer on December 26, 2024, 02:43:23 AM
As Stalin said: one death is a tragedy, one million deaths are statistics. Poetin and the idiot in North Korea think in similar ways.

What more interesting is how ineffective their handling of the invasion is.
Massive numbers of casualties and equipment lost, for very little gain. And they refuse to change their World War II based tactics. Sometimes even WW I based fighting. Completely baffling.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2024, 02:48:08 AM
As Stalin said: one death is a tragedy, one million deaths are statistics. Poetin and the idiot in North Korea think in similar ways.

What more interesting is how ineffective their handling of the invasion is.
Massive numbers of casualties and equipment lost, for very little gain. And they refuse to change their World War II based tactics. Sometimes even WW I based fighting. Completely baffling.

I did see on the news last night that Ukranian soldiers are deserting .. could just be Propaganda but normally the German news is very pro-Ukraine
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: 1Patrick on December 26, 2024, 03:42:29 AM
I did see on the news last night that Ukranian soldiers are deserting .. could just be Propaganda but normally the German news is very pro-Ukraine
That number is apparently anywhere between  100-200 k soldiers.
They take medical leave and never return.
https://apnews.com/article/deserters-awol-ukraine-russia-war-def676562552d42bc5d593363c9e5ea0
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: IroNat on December 26, 2024, 05:59:59 AM
I did see on the news last night that Ukranian soldiers are deserting .. could just be Propaganda but normally the German news is very pro-Ukraine

Are you sure the news report wasn't "Ukrainian soldiers are eating dessert"?
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: LurkerNoMore on December 26, 2024, 06:05:11 AM
As Stalin said: one death is a tragedy, one million deaths are statistics. Poetin and the idiot in North Korea think in similar ways.

What more interesting is how ineffective their handling of the invasion is.
Massive numbers of casualties and equipment lost, for very little gain. And they refuse to change their World War II based tactics. Sometimes even WW I based fighting. Completely baffling.

This is very true.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2024, 06:10:07 AM
Are you sure the news report wasn't "Ukrainian soldiers are eating dessert"?

 ;D
But in all honesty i feel for both sides being out in bad conditions ..it´s not fun living out in harsh conditions. can´t just go & get a take away if hungry.
In extreme cold you never really sleep properly.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: IroNat on December 26, 2024, 06:14:29 AM
Napolean could not defeat Russia.

Hitler could not defeat Russia.

But Ukraine/NATO can defeat Russia?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FJyiBG_Li08/XOLl6Uv0vPI/AAAAAAAGt_k/vd9LuSdP0d4rTXLXNU5bXs9CK7hVpCn7QCLcBGAs/s1600/Putin%2Bsnicker%2B-%2BTrump..gif)

Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 26, 2024, 06:19:50 AM
Napolean could not defeat Russia.

Hitler could not defeat Russia.

But Ukraine/NATO can defeat Russia?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FJyiBG_Li08/XOLl6Uv0vPI/AAAAAAAGt_k/vd9LuSdP0d4rTXLXNU5bXs9CK7hVpCn7QCLcBGAs/s1600/Putin%2Bsnicker%2B-%2BTrump..gif)

Russia are dragging it out & can
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 28, 2024, 12:28:59 AM
Not fighting in any wars since WW2 and Korean War hurt China and North Korea. As bad as war is, it does sharpen your sword.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2024, 12:44:35 AM
Not fighting in any wars since WW2 and Korean War hurt China and North Korea. As bad as war is, it does sharpen your sword.
You notice a pattern here..these Communists use the same training manuals 😄
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 28, 2024, 01:07:41 AM
You notice a pattern here..these Communists use the same training manuals 😄
They train together.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 28, 2024, 02:42:44 AM
They train together.

the "Soviets" have changed some tactics since the Cold War simply because they don´t have the Warsaw pact anymore & volume of Armoured Motor rifle Battalions.
still very active with Artillery which they´ve always put a lot of weight behind.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 28, 2024, 03:03:30 AM
The supposed experts I listen to, says there isn't a single crediblee report North Koreans are involved in fighting, especially in Ukraine proper. It's supposed to be 10K,  20K, 100K, who the hell knows. And if they are there, fucking half the world is fighting for Ukraine. US personnel on the ground actively shooting missiles deep into Russia. Putin ain't bluffing, the consequences will be intense, rivers of blood. Russia could ens Ukraine in one day with their ballistics, but as they constantly point out, they don't want to. ONLY thing west can do is all out nuclear war, we're all finished. Trump said killing that general in Russia was bad. What's Trump going to do, bully Russia. Only thing he can do is split outta there overnight, get a ceasefire. Russia won.



Of course everyone is subjective and have their biases but here's one example of a guy who seems to know things.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: GymnJuice on December 28, 2024, 04:39:02 AM
The supposed experts I listen to, says there isn't a single crediblee report North Koreans are involved in fighting, especially in Ukraine proper. It's supposed to be 10K,  20K, 100K, who the hell knows. And if they are there, fucking half the world is fighting for Ukraine. US personnel on the ground actively shooting missiles deep into Russia. Putin ain't bluffing, the consequences will be intense, rivers of blood. Russia could ens Ukraine in one day with their ballistics, but as they constantly point out, they don't want to. ONLY thing west can do is all out nuclear war, we're all finished. Trump said killing that general in Russia was bad. What's Trump going to do, bully Russia. Only thing he can do is split outta there overnight, get a ceasefire. Russia won.



Of course everyone is subjective and have their biases but here's one example of a guy who seems to know things.

At this point they are just maneuvering for a better bargaining position. They know the war will end once Trump is in power. I'm convinced Biden is the only reason the war lasted this long. (again, not arguing about the merits of Russians ruling over Ukrainians or if it is a justifiable war)
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 28, 2024, 07:21:43 AM
Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor are not credible experts but pro Kremlin mouthpieces.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Kwon on December 28, 2024, 01:41:55 PM
Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor are not credible experts but pro Kremlin mouthpieces.

Source that they are Gremlin working for Kremlin?
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Never1AShow on December 28, 2024, 07:53:16 PM
Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor are not credible experts but pro Kremlin mouthpieces.

Those two look like Matt C and someone else from here I can’t quite place.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 28, 2024, 08:27:17 PM
Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor are not credible experts but pro Kremlin mouthpieces.

There's no such thing as an objective diplomat, there's always agendas. What do you think of Jeffrey Sachs, Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, The Duran fellas, Postol, Metthew Hoh, Chas Freeman and etc etc, the dissidents? :D

Everyone of these says Trump has no brgaining chips, Putin won, but what now?
If Trump withdraws is he a Keremlin agent like rhey always said he was?  ;D
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Griffith on December 28, 2024, 11:15:14 PM
The supposed experts I listen to, says there isn't a single crediblee report North Koreans are involved in fighting, especially in Ukraine proper. It's supposed to be 10K,  20K, 100K, who the hell knows. And if they are there, fucking half the world is fighting for Ukraine. US personnel on the ground actively shooting missiles deep into Russia. Putin ain't bluffing, the consequences will be intense, rivers of blood. Russia could ens Ukraine in one day with their ballistics, but as they constantly point out, they don't want to. ONLY thing west can do is all out nuclear war, we're all finished. Trump said killing that general in Russia was bad. What's Trump going to do, bully Russia. Only thing he can do is split outta there overnight, get a ceasefire. Russia won.

Of course everyone is subjective and have their biases but here's one example of a guy who seems to know things.

Considering the territory they started with, and the huge losses, they've barely gained anything.

Their aim was to take over Ukraine and annex it, now all they have are the 'republics' they initially occupied before the war and a bit of surrounding territory.

At best it's a stalemate.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: honest on December 28, 2024, 11:32:57 PM
Scott Ritter and Douglas McGregor are not credible experts but pro Kremlin mouthpieces.

Two American patriots that don't support current foreign policy. Like many others.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 28, 2024, 11:50:13 PM
Two Russian patriots that don't support current foreign policy. Like many others.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 28, 2024, 11:59:37 PM
the "Soviets" have changed some tactics since the Cold War simply because they don´t have the Warsaw pact anymore & volume of Armoured Motor rifle Battalions.
still very active with Artillery which they´ve always put a lot of weight behind.
Those are obviously outdated tactics and weaponry.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Van_Bilderass on December 30, 2024, 03:03:15 PM
Considering the territory they started with, and the huge losses, they've barely gained anything.

Their aim was to take over Ukraine and annex it, now all they have are the 'republics' they initially occupied before the war and a bit of surrounding territory.

At best it's a stalemate.

The human toll is disgusting. But what has Ukraine gained? They lost a whole generation of men, what do the most experts studying say about the Ukrainian death toll, way north of 600K with about double never being able to return to the battlefield due to being maimed, and certainly nothing gained. Imagine the cost to grieving families, it's obscene, millions and millions of people. Zelensky says 40K Ukrainians have died, Trump said when the books are opened everyone will be shocked about the numbers. Still he LIED when he said 600K Russians and 400K Ukrainians, and Zelensky was quick to admonish him. This is Trump's "exaggerated honest truth telling" as he called his style.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: joswift on December 30, 2024, 03:16:10 PM
If you watch the drone attacks on the foot soldiers its a colossul waste of money, using 2 or 3 drones to finish off a wounded man

Oh and they are always titled "Russins killed"

Pretty sure some are Ukranians
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: honest on December 30, 2024, 03:55:02 PM
Considering the territory they started with, and the huge losses, they've barely gained anything.

Their aim was to take over Ukraine and annex it, now all they have are the 'republics' they initially occupied before the war and a bit of surrounding territory.

At best it's a stalemate.

Their goal was never to takeover Ukraine, they only ever wanted the Donbas and Ukraine to not join NATO, if the CIA had not removed Yanukovych a pro Russian leader and replaced him with Zelensky a pro western leader and sought NATO membership they would still have the Donbas and Crimea, but the west and Europe decided to do it and now we have a loss of territory for Ukraine and a million dead.

The whole war like all other wars is being fought over economic opportunity. Russia needed to protect their gas monopoly over Europe, there are gas assets off the Ukraine coastline that where developed could have neutralised Russias position this would never happen under a pro Russian administration but could under a pro western one with NATO protection. Putin is just protecting his position and the west looking to undermine his and insert their own economic agenda. No one cares about Ukraine or Ukrainians and that is the true crime, just like Putin doesn't care like Stalin before him how many Russians die to protect their interests. They now have ensuredwitheir strategic land grab that where those gas assets are developed it will be Russian companies doing it.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Humble Narcissist on December 31, 2024, 12:01:02 AM
^^^ Very accurate.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Griffith on December 31, 2024, 12:12:31 AM
Their goal was never to takeover Ukraine, they only ever wanted the Donbas and Ukraine to not join NATO, if the CIA had not removed Yanukovych a pro Russian leader and replaced him with Zelensky a pro western leader and sought NATO membership they would still have the Donbas and Crimea, but the west and Europe decided to do it and now we have a loss of territory for Ukraine and a million dead.

The whole war like all other wars is being fought over economic opportunity. Russia needed to protect their gas monopoly over Europe, there are gas assets off the Ukraine coastline that where developed could have neutralised Russias position this would never happen under a pro Russian administration but could under a pro western one with NATO protection. Putin is just protecting his position and the west looking to undermine his and insert their own economic agenda. No one cares about Ukraine or Ukrainians and that is the true crime, just like Putin doesn't care like Stalin before him how many Russians die to protect their interests. They now have ensuredwitheir strategic land grab that where those gas assets are developed it will be Russian companies doing it.

Incorrect.

Putin has a few days ago introduced a new directive for the 'de-nazification' of Ukraine.

They tried to take Kiev, topple the government, takeover the country, and failed.

Ukraine, with western backing, took back half the territory Russia initially occupied.

Europe now hardly gets any gas from Russia, so they've lost that market. If their aim was to protect their 'gas monopoly' then they've completely failed.

The ruble is now over a 100 to the USD, having collapsed from about 30, Russia is now sanctioned and have suffered huge losses in military equipment and lives. Their military is now considerably weakened and depleted compared to the West.

Two other countries have also joined NATO as a result of the war, increasing NATO presence on their borders.

Besides a few pieces of surrounding territory to the 'republics', they've gained nothing. The losses to their economy far outweigh any of these small territorial claims. Most Russians are now poorer and worse off.

The Russian military has lost credibility and is considered obsolete and incapable compared to western countries. Before the war, the Russian military still had some prestige from the Soviet days, now they look like clowns.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Griffith on December 31, 2024, 12:22:01 AM
How it started:

(https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/INTERACTIVE_UKRAINE_CONTROL-MAP-DAY20_INTERACTIVE_Military-dispatch-day-20.jpg?resize=770%2C513&quality=80)

How it's going:

(https://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/DraftUkraineCoT%20December%2027%2C%202024.png)
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: honest on December 31, 2024, 01:18:53 AM
We can agree like I do with others to disagree, this has been the most misreported war ever, what's Europe running on solar and wind, historical nuclear, its running on Russian gas purchased through third parties to avoid sanctions, whilst they are attempting to increase nuclear capacity.  This war is as fake as the world can run on solar and wind without fossil fuels.

Sweden and Finland don't have competing energy reserves, the gas position I only know this as I work in an energy intensive industry with active team members from both Russia and Ukraine.  But hey lets call it Rubbish Ukraine is winning, there is only 100 dead to 1 million Russians and there are no US UK France Germany or NATO special forces in Ukraine just poorly trained North Koreans, and any day now Putin will surrender.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: joswift on December 31, 2024, 01:21:04 AM
We can agree like I do with others to disagree, this has been the most misreported war ever, what's Europe running on solar and wind, historical nuclear, its running on Russian gas purchased through third parties to avoid sanctions, whilst they are attempting to increase nuclear capacity.  This war is as fake as the world can run on solar and wind without fossil fuels.

Sweden and Finland don't have competing energy reserves, the gas position I only know this as I work in an energy intensive industry with active team members from both Russia and Ukraine.  But hey lets call it Rubbish Ukraine is winning, there is only 100 dead to 1 million Russians and there are no US UK France Germany or NATO special forces in Ukraine just poorly trained North Koreans, and any day now Putin will surrender.

no it cant, the wind doesnt always blow and the sun doesnt always shine and we dont have the capacity to store the energy
the sun doesnt shine in the UK for months on end
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: honest on December 31, 2024, 01:31:24 AM
no it cant, the wind doesnt always blow and the sun doesnt always shine and we dont have the capacity to store the energy
the sun doesnt shine in the UK for months on end

My point exactly and claiming Ukraine are winning from this war is just as ridiculous. Russia has been fighting the US and NATO since about day 4 when they were 150 miles from Kiev. Ukraine just provide the frontline cannon fodder, and Russia are still winning territory all be it slowly.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 04:20:33 AM
^^^ Very accurate.

Not at all, the goal was to capture Kyiv, decapitate the government, demilitarize and "denazify" and wipe out Ukrainian culture and language before pushing west for more territorial conquests to bring back the glory days.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: loco on December 31, 2024, 05:05:13 AM
N Korean soldiers like lambs to the slaughter
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Shameful and sad that so many are getting killed or seriously injured, but I find them drones both cool and terrifying.  I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like a huge shift on how to wage war, cheap drones taking out multi-million dollar tanks and other war equipment.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 05:08:40 AM
Shameful and sad that so many are getting killed or seriously injured, but I find them drones both cool and terrifying.  I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like a huge shift on how to wage war, cheap drones taking out multi-million dollar tanks and other war equipment.

watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: loco on December 31, 2024, 05:11:47 AM
watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK

That dragon drone spraying trenches is terrifying.  I had never seen anything like it before.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 05:18:00 AM
That dragon drone spraying trenches is terrifying.  I had never seen anything like it before.

Flame throwers in WW1 were used but maybe they could get away if lucky but these Drones are from the Devil himself
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 05:20:13 AM
watching videos of Ukrainians dropping bombs onto wounded in trenches is disgusting but hey ho for the West it´s OK

Russia does not even care for its own wounded but leaves them to die on the battlefield. That way their deaths will not be tallied and compensation not have to be paid to the families.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 05:25:24 AM
Russia does not even care for its own wounded but leaves them to die on the battlefield. That way their deaths will not be tallied and compensation not have to be paid to the families.
Normally wounded cause more trouble for an enemy (treatment & resources) but to just kill them with Drones is wrong.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: joswift on December 31, 2024, 07:24:27 AM
surprised they havent come up sith shotgun carriages foll of wire/ twine to shoot at the drones to wrap the propellers.

opps quick search and yes they do
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 07:47:57 AM
Normally wounded cause more trouble for an enemy (treatment & resources) but to just kill them with Drones is wrong.

Its not right but thats what Russia thinks of its wounded too, more trouble. There is a hotline that many Russian soldiers call to surrender to Ukraine where they get fair treatment, unlike the concentration camps where Ukrainian soldiers come out emaciated to the bone. Of course I don't know all the details of what goes on in Ukrainian camps, if there is torture etc but there is definitely torture in the Russian camps.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 07:51:43 AM
Its not right but thats what Russia thinks of its wounded too, more trouble. There is a hotline that many Russian soldiers call to surrender to Ukraine where they get fair treatment, unlike the concentration camps where Ukrainian soldiers come out emaciated to the bone. Of course I don't know all the details of what goes on in Ukrainian camps, if there is torture etc but there is definitely torture in the Russian camps.
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: joswift on December 31, 2024, 07:56:32 AM
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 08:04:55 AM
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops
a lot of misinformation & disinformation .. Putin is a Beast
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 08:06:06 AM
apart from the Pro West Media , where is the proof of this? by the way i´m not being a twat as i do like you my Irish friend  :)

yes there is plenty of proof of emaciated soldiers when the leave Russian camps and stories of torture but I could not be arsed to go and look for them myself.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 08:07:48 AM
Ukrainians are torturing Russians guranteed

I saw a video of some "soldiers" cutting a prisoners cock and balls off, it said "Russians castrate Ukranian"

The "Soldiers" had fucking trainers on, no way were they Russian troops

If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: BigRo on December 31, 2024, 08:09:28 AM
a lot of misinformation & disinformation .. Putin is a Beast

The devil, fuck him to hell.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 08:10:07 AM
we know who did this..

Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 08:12:28 AM
If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.

where is your proof Ro ? 
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: joswift on December 31, 2024, 08:14:35 AM
If the video says Russians castrate Ukrainian then how is that Ukrainians castrating Russians?  ???

So much rape by Russian soldiers and it is well documented.
the trainers... Ukranians are not equiped like the Russian forces

of course its well reported, its called propaganda

Did anyone know that the allied forces ordered the killing of all soldiers that surrendered in the d-day landings?
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on December 31, 2024, 08:14:56 AM
yes there is plenty of proof of emaciated soldiers when the leave Russian camps and stories of torture but I could not be arsed to go and look for them myself.
well we know no war is Holy Ro but all you & i have to go on is the media we are fed .. go figure
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Griffith on December 31, 2024, 11:38:40 AM
I´m just happy i´m sitting now at home & will bring in the New Year with my Family..i feel sorry for both sides sitting in that freezing cold somewhere out there.
I´ve been in similar conditions & know the shit.

We can all be thankful we're not living in that nightmare over there.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: honest on December 31, 2024, 02:12:39 PM
Where the common man dies for no greater benefit no matter who wins, while elites who don't die look to prosper, that is something we can all agree on.
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Donny on January 03, 2025, 11:55:23 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Cannon fodder
Post by: Humble Narcissist on January 04, 2025, 12:33:04 AM
We can all be thankful we're not living in that nightmare over there.
The people who fled the country on day one were smart.