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Now that Getbig is back, it's back to posting more classic videos. While Dorian Yates (circa 1993) is deemed to have officially ushered in the era of the "mass monster", there were a few guys in the early 90s who helped paved the way.
Among them, I would suggest, is none other than World Bodybuilding Federation Champion, Gary Stardom.
Here he is, guest-posing at FIBO shortly before or after winning his first championship.
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Strydom looked better than Yates. Better arms, smaller waist, taller, more personality and Gary smiled a lot. Dorain never did, he always looked like a zombie on stage.
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Strydom looked better than Yates. Better arms, smaller waist, taller, more personality and Gary smiled a lot. Dorain never did, he always looked like a zombie on stage.
Strydom looked great from the front but became The Invisible Man when he turned around.
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gary strydom had a great look he was smart he took the wbf money, he made more in three years from the wbf than yates did his entire olympia run with the weiders
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Now that Getbig is back, it's back to posting more classic videos. While Dorian Yates (circa 1993) is deemed to have officially ushered in the era of the "mass monster", there were a few guys in the early 90s who helped paved the way.
Among them, I would suggest, is none other than World Bodybuilding Federation Champion, Gary Stardom.
Here he is, guest-posing at FIBO shortly before or after winning his first championship.
Gary Like Paul Dillett was a potential Mr O winner from the front
& a also ran finisher from the back.
Better Than Dorian Ha, ha ha ;D :D ;D Nope.
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Crazee Wear Of Peace ;D
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Strydom was really really good. I think he brought his back up a lot toward the end of his career.
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Gary Like Paul Dillett was a potential Mr O winner from the front
& a also ran finisher from the back.
Better Than Dorian Ha, ha ha ;D :D ;D Nope.
yes his back was nothing like Dorian´s :) Dorian was the King !
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"Gee Dad, he's big..."
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Gary Like Paul Dillett was a potential Mr O winner from the front
& a also ran finisher from the back.
Better Than Dorian Ha, ha ha ;D :D ;D Nope.
I made no such claim. I said that he was one of the "mass monsters" that precedes Yates. His 1991 physique was gigantic.
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had the best chest delt combo i have seen
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had the best chest delt combo i have seen
Add traps and quads as well insane,and had good arms.
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Add traps and quads as well insane,and had good arms.
i liked his look myself one of my favorites.
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i liked his look myself one of my favorites.
If he had stayed in the IFB be, he would’ve won a lot of small shows easily and I think once the Olympia hit the 92, 9394 seasons, if he didn’t come in super sharp, he probably would’ve been a top five at the best, he had the kind of genes his muscle was just round and ffull on top and quads he didn’t need to diet himself to death to look good the size of him alone carry him. I just think Haney and Yates had to much combination of everything that would’ve kept him back but otherwise the guy was outstanding
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If he had stayed in the IFB be, he would’ve won a lot of small shows easily and I think once the Olympia hit the 92, 9394 seasons, if he didn’t come in super sharp, he probably would’ve been a top five at the best, he had the kind of genes his muscle was just round and ffull on top and quads he didn’t need to diet himself to death to look good the size of him alone carry him. I just think Haney and Yates had to much combination of everything that would’ve kept him back but otherwise the guy was outstanding
totally agree, he would have had to come in better condition in that era he definately had the structure to win. a buddy of mine who was in the industry at that time told me between his wbf contract and crazee wear money he was the highest earning guy in the industry.
i remember shawn mooney who worked for the wwf at that time said on his podcast gary was getting 400k per year from the wbf that was way more than any other pro was making in the ifbb at that time.
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Strydom looked great from the front but became The Invisible Man when he turned around.
I’m not sure why the back trumps the other muscle groups, when it’s the only weak part. Dorian looked bad by the end, and because of his back he kept winning.
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totally agree, he would have had to come in better condition in that era he definately had the structure to win. a buddy of mine who was in the industry at that time told me between his wbf contract and crazee wear money he was the highest earning guy in the industry.
i remember shawn mooney who worked for the wwf at that time said on his podcast gary was getting 400k per year from the wbf that was way more than any other pro was making in the ifbb at that time.
$400K per year in salary plus $100K for winning the WBF title means Strydom was making at least $500K per year way back in 1991.
Haney won $60K for winning the 1990 Olympia and $80K for his victory in 1991. His Twinlab contract sure wasn't paying him $400K and neither did his previous Weider contract.
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gary strydom had a great look he was smart he took the wbf money, he made more in three years from the wbf than yates did his entire olympia run with the weiders
Shawn Ray said he seriously considered jumping ship, until he learned that his training partner (Troy Zuccolotto, 1989 NPC Nationals Champion, who had yet to compete as a pro) was offered $275K per year; while Ray was only offered $225K a year, coming off his 3rd-place finish at the 1990 Olympia.
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Strydom looked great from the front but became The Invisible Man when he turned around.
He was badass from the front.
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totally agree, he would have had to come in better condition in that era he definately had the structure to win. a buddy of mine who was in the industry at that time told me between his wbf contract and crazee wear money he was the highest earning guy in the industry.
i remember shawn mooney who worked for the wwf at that time said on his podcast gary was getting 400k per year from the wbf that was way more than any other pro was making in the ifbb at that time.
Good for him. At least he is not on gofundme begging the community for donations. ::)
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Good for him. At least he is not on gofundme begging the community for donations. ::)
It's been widely reported that Gary was quite friendly with the cock. Not his own.
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I’m not sure why the back trumps the other muscle groups, when it’s the only weak part. Dorian looked bad by the end, and because of his back he kept winning.
It is the one body part that seems to separate Olympia winners from contenders.
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I’m not sure why the back trumps the other muscle groups, when it’s the only weak part. Dorian looked bad by the end, and because of his back he kept winning.
Strydom beat a number of guys in the WBF who had better backs (Mike Quinn, Mike Christian, and especially Tony "the Jetman" Pearson). Pearson had the best back of all the WBF bunch but never made the top 5 there (though some made the case that he should have done so in 1992).
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Strydom looked great from the front but became The Invisible Man when he turned around.
That's always been the knock against him. Like Nasser or Dillet, weak back. But Dorian was more than just a better back. It was his size and density. Even in 1994 and 1997, when he was off and injured, his size and density gave him a certain look the others didn't have.
Personally, I'd rather have a Mr.Olympia who looks like the winner from the front. A great back is impressive, it seems to emphasize the difference in size and conditioning moreso than other body parts but who would you rather look like Gary 1992? Or Dorian, any year?
Unfortunately all those WBF guys relegated themselves to sideshow status. Their careers were over the minute they signed with the WBF. The smart ones used their WBF money wisely and seemingly did well in life.
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Strydom beat a number of guys in the WBF who had better backs (Mike Quinn, Mike Christian, and especially Tony "the Jetman" Pearson). Pearson had the best back of all the WBF bunch but never made the top 5 there (though some made the case that he should have done so in 1992).
Christian and Strydom were very close competitively. Always splitting those Grand Prix shows. Christian probably looked his absolute best at the drug tested Mr Olympia and got shafted in the final placing. Strydom was wider but Mike had the better back. Mike's legs were always a bit too small as well.
The WBF only had 2 shows but it changed bodybuilding forever, for better and for worse.
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Christian and Strydom were very close competitively. Always splitting those Grand Prix shows. Christian probably looked his absolute best at the drug tested Mr Olympia and got shafted in the final placing. Strydom was wider but Mike had the better back. Mike's legs were always a bit too small as well.
The WBF only had 2 shows but it changed bodybuilding forever, for better and for worse.
Indeed! Christian placed 2nd to Strydom at the 1991 WBF Championship. After the drug testing started, I said Christian looked like a crackhead at the 1992 show (not knowing how right I actually was at the time). Then, Jim Quinn was hyped as the only guy who could challenge Strydom. Quinn could match size-wise; but he was too blocky and Strydom beat him.
Quinn was also a pre-Yates mass monster. I liken him to a giant Rich Gaspari. But, Strydom's size and shape was more mind-blowing.
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If you think about it, some of the newer pros that went to WBF like Aaron, Baker and David dearth looked good in those shows, and then went on to do better again when they went back to IFBb, Eddie Robinson after his contract was up and he was drug tested during those years by Ico pro, he did well in like 96 to 97 season came back looking as big as ever and in great shape and some of those shows. The May never recovered Azucar Lado competed but didn’t do anything either he couldn’t hang with those I have BB pros by then.
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If you think about it, some of the newer pros that went to WBF like Aaron, Baker and David dearth looked good in those shows, and then went on to do better again when they went back to IFBb, Eddie Robinson after his contract was up and he was drug tested during those years by Ico pro, he did well in like 96 to 97 season came back looking as big as ever and in great shape and some of those shows. The May never recovered Azucar Lado competed but didn’t do anything either he couldn’t hang with those I have BB pros by then.
Baker was never in the IFBB prior to joining the WBF; so why he got punished is absurd. Same goes for Jim Quinn and Troy Zuccolotto.
Baker claimed that, unlike some WBF guys, he did not follow Dipasquale's anabolic diet and credited that for his 3rd-place finish at the 1992 show. Plus, he was tested at the 1990 USA when he turned pro. So having to train for a show drug-free wasn't an issue for him. The 1990 North American Championship was also drug-tested when Jim Quinn won it. He claimed he simply had size to spare at 300 in the off-season. So, the testing didn't bother him either; he lost some weight but was still pretty big.
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The schmoes were probably hosed down with cold water after his showing. They really got fired up
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Strydom kept in better shape than 99% of all bodybuilding pro's
He was 47 years old in this photo
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Promotional photos I think from 1982
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Strydom kept in better shape than 99% of all bodybuilding pro's
He was 47 years old in this photo
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looked way better in his comeback than levrone did
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I wonder if Gary would’ve accepted a better back under the condition that he could never wear a hat or a wig ever in his life. This is the stuff that keeps me awake at night.
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Promotional photos I think from 1982
Not from 82. Gary won the Nationals in 87 and got his hair transplant afterwards around 1988. 1982 is when Brian Moss started Better Bodies
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Gary Like Paul Dillett was a potential Mr O winner from the front
& a also ran finisher from the back.
Better Than Dorian Ha, ha ha ;D :D ;D Nope.
Looked fantastic from the front & sides but like you said
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Promotional photos I think from 1982
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Bertil had killer arms.
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Bertil had killer arms.
Literally !! ;)
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Promotional photos I think from 1982
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Who is that monster in the middle? ;D
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Who is that monster in the middle? ;D
That's Brian Moss who started Better Bodies gym in NYC he dated Gladys Portuguese
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Gladys Portugues in her prime was worth it:
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Nice daughter too
https://nypost.com/2016/05/08/van-dammes-daughter-is-even-more-badass-than-he-is/
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^^^ So hot Van Damme married her twice! :P
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Who is that monster in the middle? ;D
Their hormone dealer.
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Their hormone dealer.
That's why they showed him so much love. ;D
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Who is that monster in the middle? ;D
That's Brian Moss who started Better Bodies gym in NYC he dated Gladys Portuguese
That dude must've got so much fitness poontang. If you remember those pics (Dettweiler, etc...) that looked like they were shot in a schmoe's basement, that was his later stuff. He also does a lot of the Animal Pak stuff.
https://www.betterbodies1982.com/photos/ .
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That dude must've got so much fitness poontang. If you remember those pics (Dettweiler, etc...) that looked like they were shot in a schmoe's basement, that was his later stuff. He also does a lot of the Animal Pak stuff.
https://www.betterbodies1982.com/photos/ .
I actually liked the Animal Pak supps although it was like swallowing horse pills.
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I actually liked the Animal Pak supps although it was like swallowing horse pills.
they actually worked animal makes good stuff
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:)
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1991 WBF Posing Routine:
Interview:
Top 5 Posedown (vs. Mike Christian, Jim Quinn, Berry DeMey, and Eddie Robinson).....NEW CHAMPION!!
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1992 WBF posing routine (video half-second ahead of audio):
Top 5 Posedown (vs. David Dearth, Aaron Baker, Jim Quinn, and Berry DeMey)
Post-victory interview (WHOPPER ALERT!!)
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Great physique, very complete, possibly the best delts ever, yes he was massive
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“ very complete?” What about his back? (Horrible)… don’t get me wrong I’m a fan of his physique…… if he had a back he could have been Mr O
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It's been widely reported that Gary was quite friendly with the cock. Not his own.
Bro...
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Great physique, very complete, possibly the best delts ever, yes he was massive
Shitty back eliminates his Physique as being complete.
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He was a mass monster back then but now you look and he had a middleweight's back. The delts and chest made him look massive but now he looks "boyish" to me.
He was known for his high calorie, extremely high carbohydrate diet which was uncommon at the time.
Later he was known for pushing the GH higher than anyone else at the time(12iu rumored).
Also early user of insulin, "you use it when you need it" (when on high GH).
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Bro...
Bet you blew up his FB messenger within 10 minutes.
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For a second I thought I was looking at Brian WH Hankins, Esq!
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Gary is an idiot who sucked Bertil’s dong.
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“ very complete?” What about his back? (Horrible)… don’t get me wrong I’m a fan of his physique…… if he had a back he could have been Mr O
I agree weak back, but he looks fucking huge with Bertil right above here.
Ever since we've been back I've been deviled with the concern of what to do if the Board ever goes down again. Then I see your post Mike and I had an idea. If it happens again we all rally in the comments of Mike A's Facebook page (with your permission of course). We need a place for updates and info and comfort in case, God forbid, it ever happens again.
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His arm - chest development back then was superior to most IFBB pro's in 2025
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Great physique, very complete, possibly the best delts ever, yes he was massive
If anything, not complete. His back was very underdeveloped.
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:)
If Eddie Robinson was a bit drier in 1991, he would’ve been a threat to win that WBF show.
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If Eddie Robinson was a bit drier in 1991, he would’ve been a threat to win that WBF show.
Eddie was a tank and pretty complete
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There was no threat. It was as real a show as WWF.
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gary's chest and delt combo is the best i have seen . it just flowed nicely if he had a good back the dude would have been a multiple mr o, but. he was smart he took the wbf money invested it and never really competed much after that only twice actually. in fact it was rumored the weiders didnt care if he competed every time they put him on a magazine cover it sold well.
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gary's chest and delt combo is the best i have seen . it just flowed nicely if he had a good back the dude would have been a multiple mr o, but. he was smart he took the wbf money invested it and never really competed much after that only twice actually. in fact it was rumored the weiders didnt care if he competed every time they put him on a magazine cover it sold well.
Additionally, his quads were enormous and cut
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There was no threat. It was as real a show as WWF.
So, they hired former Mr. Universes and Mr. Olympias as judges, just for the heck of it?
Eddie looked great. Strydom was just bigger and more aesthetic. For all the claims about how this show was "rigged", almost NOBODY can make an argument as who should have beaten Strydom and why?
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Eddie was a tank and pretty complete
If Eddie Robinson was a bit drier in 1991, he would’ve been a threat to win that WBF show.
I remember back then, I picked either Robinson or Strydom to win it. When I saw the highlights on WWF Superstars and found out Robinson only got 5th, I was a big miffed. Eddie's a FL guy ;D
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So, they hired former Mr. Universes and Mr. Olympias as judges, just for the heck of it?
Eddie looked great. Strydom was just bigger and more aesthetic. For all the claims about how this show was "rigged", almost NOBODY can make an argument as who should have beaten Strydom and why?
Yes, it was all for show. The Toast of the Town deserved to win and had the best physique, but it was for show.
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WBF had a great lineup
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Of the guys on that photo Morant, Comerford, Dearth and Mike Quinn are dead
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I remember back then, I picked either Robinson or Strydom to win it. When I saw the highlights on WWF Superstars and found out Robinson only got 5th, I was a big miffed. Eddie's a FL guy ;D
I met him when he was still an Ohio guy. Great guy either place. Started out as a great powerlifter as well.
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Of the guys on that photo Morant, Comerford, Dearth and Mike Quinn are dead
I'm surprised at how much bigger Jim Quinn is than Mike Q. He always seemed a like a wide dude with bad insertions but he looks quite a bit larger than I ever thought he did.
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I'm surprised at how much bigger Jim Quinn is than Mike Q. He always seemed a like a wide dude with bad insertions but he looks quite a bit larger than I ever thought he did.
Jim is 6'0" 260lbs Mike was 5'8" at his best 204lbs
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WBF had a great lineup
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Amazing lineup, someone post the 1991 or 1992 Mr. Olympia for comparison.
Absolute bad luck, wrong place, wrong time for the WBF. The beginning of the 30 year slide of America due to the leftists
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Amazing lineup, someone post the 1991 or 1992 Mr. Olympia for comparison.
Absolute bad luck, wrong place, wrong time for the WBF. The beginning of the 30 year slide of America due to the leftists
91 and 92 line-ups were better
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:)
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Strydom was a lousy pro, had genetics that wete apparently too good as they robbed him from having any discernable work ethic (gains come too easy syndrome.)
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here is a pic of gary from his 06 comeback i thought he looked great here at the age of 46 and had not competed in 10 years
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Amazing lineup, someone post the 1991 or 1992 Mr. Olympia for comparison.
Absolute bad luck, wrong place, wrong time for the WBF. The beginning of the 30 year slide of America due to the leftists
The new anabolic steroid legislation in '91 killed the WBF. It was just that.
Vince "shit on woman's head" McMahon "had to" start testing the dudes.
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The new anabolic steroid legislation in '91 killed the WBF. It was just that.
Vince "shit on woman's head" McMahon "had to" start testing the dudes.
van you are right i also remember reading that dr mario pisquali was having all the competitors do keto as well. i am not sure if this was after vince was indicted on the roids charges or right before. Lou ferrigno was supposed to be in that show, in fact vince signed him to a 500 grand per year contract , when lou found out he was going to be drug tested he left. which makes me wonder how much did the weiders off lou. 500k was alot of money back then even for goofy lou
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here is another thing, when vince first formed the wbf the wwe was hot, then there business dropped big time. vince at that time did not have big tv contracts the wwe revenue was mainly from house shows and ppv's around this time they all dropped a ton. if the wwe had stayed hot then the wbf may have continued on. also the goofy gimmicks he gave the bodybuilders just did not work. but he was paying them way more than those cheap bastards the weiders it was definately better for the body builders, unfortunately the bodybuilders where puninshed buy the weiders when they returned to the wbf getting shitty placings . aaron davis was really fucked over that guy looked great.
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here is a pic of gary from his 06 comeback i thought he looked great here at the age of 46 and had not competed in 10 years
From the front he still never improved his back
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van you are right i also remember reading that dr mario pisquali was having all the competitors do keto as well. i am not sure if this was after vince was indicted on the roids charges or right before. Lou ferrigno was supposed to be in that show, in fact vince signed him to a 500 grand per year contract , when lou found out he was going to be drug tested he left. which makes me wonder how much did the weiders off lou. 500k was alot of money back then even for goofy lou
The Anabolic Diet. Five days of high fat, zero carbs. Then 2 days carb load. After some times for the "metabolism to change" it was zero carbs except around training, you would eat like 2K calories from carbs, just before, during and just after. It had some legitimate aspects. Lyle McDonald later perfected it.
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The Anabolic Diet. Five days of high fat, zero carbs. Then 2 days carb load. After some times for the "metabolism to change" it was zero carbs except around training, you would eat like 2K calories from carbs, just before, during and just after. It had some legitimate aspects. Lyle McDonald later perfected it.
thanks for the clear up i am going to look him up i knew who pisquali was but not mcdonald i think pisquali was an olympic lifter at one poing in his life
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thanks for the clear up i am going to look him up i knew who pisquali was but not mcdonald i think pisquali was an olympic lifter at one poing in his life
Lyle's The Ultimate Diet 2.0, you can find the PDF online I'm sure. Duchaine had something similar but then said Lyle's was better.
DiPasquale was an elite powerlifter. He was a PED expert in his time, a legit MD.
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Lyle's The Ultimate Diet 2.0, you can find the PDF online I'm sure. Duchaine had something similar but then said Lyle's was better.
DiPasquale was an elite powerlifter. He was a PED expert in his time, a legit MD.
You're probably talking about This masterpiece, which was very well ahead of its time back in '92 when it came out I believe. The man was a genius RIP.
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While staying in topic, didn't Gary move to Thailand a while back to be near his Ladyboys?
Last i read somewhere anyways.
Someone might have the scoop on this. Also someone posted a pic of him from a shitbook post being all shriveled up and useless to Us.
Please confirm. ;D
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91 and 92 line-ups were better
The 1991 guys had two top-10 Olympia placers from 1990: Christian (4th) and Robinson (10th). Mike Quinn just missed with 11th but he did make the top ten at the O in 1988 (6th) and 1989 (7th).
Two guys qualified for the 1990 O but didn't compete in it: Padilla and Dearth; two competed but got popped on the drug test (DeMey, Comeford).
So, most of those guys were Olympia-caliber. Three were rookies: Baker, J. Quinn, and Zuccolotto.
Of course, the 1992 Olympia lineup was better. They were in a open show and could use whatever anabolics they pleased. The 1992 WBF guys got tested for everything but the kitchen sink.
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The Anabolic Diet. Five days of high fat, zero carbs. Then 2 days carb load. After some times for the "metabolism to change" it was zero carbs except around training, you would eat like 2K calories from carbs, just before, during and just after. It had some legitimate aspects. Lyle McDonald later perfected it.
Pure BroScience horseshit. Anabolic diet = Gimmick like WBF. It's all about "just the finishing touch."
Also, I think the legislation didn't matter as much as the culture and some hucksters trying to figure out a way to cash in to a larger mass market and pretending there was a way to do it without the huge amount of drugs required. Hucksters on all sides, some pretending steroids were certain death within months, some pretending "natural" pro shows would work, some pretending whatever they needed to in order to hype and make money.
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The 1991 guys had two top-10 Olympia placers from 1990: Christian (4th) and Robinson (10th). Mike Quinn just missed with 11th but he did make the top ten at the O in 1988 (6th) and 1989 (7th).
Two guys qualified for the 1990 O but didn't compete in it: Padilla and Dearth; two competed but got popped on the drug test (DeMey, Comeford).
So, most of those guys were Olympia-caliber. Three were rookies: Baker, J. Quinn, and Zuccolotto.
Of course, the 1992 Olympia lineup was better. They were in a open show and could use whatever anabolics they pleased. The 1992 WBF guys got tested for everything but the kitchen sink.
In 1992 all WBF should have taken their normal PED stack. If all were tested positive, what was McMahon going tot do? He would be left with zero athletes if he cancelled them all
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You're probably talking about This masterpiece, which was very well ahead of its time back in '92 when it came out I believe. The man was a genius RIP.
(https://i.ibb.co/bjZyXqK7/download.jpg)
While staying in topic, didn't Gary move to Thailand a while back to be near his Ladyboys?
Last i read somewhere anyways.
Someone might have the scoop on this. Also someone posted a pic of him from a shitbook post being all shriveled up and useless to Us.
Please confirm. ;D
Great book!
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In 1992 all WBF should have taken their normal PED stack. If all were tested positive, what was McMahon going tot do? He would be left with zero athletes if he cancelled them all
With the feds breathing down his neck, no way was McMahon letting that happen....especially with the wrestlers (who were also getting tested frequently) complaining about the WBF guys and their exorbitant salaries. NO WAY were the WWF guys getting put through the ring while the WBF guys went unscathed.
Some did test positive and got fined a month's salary. Mike Christian got popped and it cost him $25,000.
Mike Quinn, I believe, got nailed too; he kissed about 12 or 13 grand goodbye.
"Major Guns" Eddie Robinson stayed with Titan Sports (now World Wrestling Entertainment) an extra two years as an ICOPRO poster boy, which extended his contract an extra two years. But, he got tested as well and, if he popped positive, he was gone. As he mentioned in a MuscleMag interview, McMahon made it worth his while to remain drug-free.
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With the feds breathing down his neck, no way was McMahon letting that happen....especially with the wrestlers (who were also getting tested frequently) complaining about the WBF guys and their exorbitant salaries. NO WAY were the WWF guys getting put through the ring while the WBF guys went unscathed.
Some did test positive and got fined a month's salary. Mike Christian got popped and it cost him $25,000.
Mike Quinn, I believe, got nailed too; he kissed about 12 or 13 grand goodbye.
"Major Guns" Eddie Robinson stayed with Titan Sports (now World Wrestling Entertainment) an extra two years as an ICOPRO poster boy, which extended his contract an extra two years. But, he got tested as well and, if he popped positive, he was gone. As he mentioned in a MuscleMag interview, McMahon made it worth his while to remain drug-free.
Eddie Robinson had the genetics to look good even off gear.
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Did anyone on here ever train with Gary?
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You can see even walking from behind how crappy his back was,and what he thinking in 88 he was so small for him why go for that death look.
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Did anyone on here ever train with Gary?
i would have liked to , i dont think he trained super heavy either. dude had a great look to him. and compared to these turds today he looked way better
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You can see even walking from behind how crappy his back was,and what he thinking in 88 he was so small for him why go for that death look.
nj do you think if had trained his back yates style it would have came up? other than his shitty back the dude was perfect from the front. he should have trained with mentzer for a few months just to see how he responded .
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nj do you think if had trained his back yates style it would have came up? other than his shitty back the dude was perfect from the front. he should have trained with mentzer for a few months just to see how he responded .
I think he suffered from Big Arms/Shitty back syndrome where the arms do too much of the back work
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From all reports he trained his back hard just didn't have the genetics there.
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From all reports he trained his back hard just didn't have the genetics there.
ha what a shame the dude had everything the weiders where looking for to, my buddy who was in the business told me when they resigned him in 92 they really didnt care if he competed or not they threw him on magazine covers and they sold well, he made more money from the wbf than any of those guys weider made in there whole career in that era . he was one of the few smart ones.
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From all reports he trained his back hard just didn't have the genetics there.
That must be torture to have almost perfect genetics for bodybuilding except one big part like back.
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That must be torture to have almost perfect genetics for bodybuilding except one big part like back.
No more so Than say a national level bodybuilder having the Grit/ Determination
/ Mental attitude & train real hard & consistent year after year & not get
anywhere near the size or physique Gary had, that's the Genetic lottery.
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No more so Than say a national level bodybuilder having the Grit/ Determination
/ Mental attitude & train real hard & consistent year after year & not get
anywhere near the size or physique Gary had, that's the Genetic lottery.
It would be much worse because he knows he was so close but one body part kept him from the top of the mountain.
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It would be much worse because he knows he was so close but one body part kept him from the top of the mountain.
opinion varies
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ONE OF THE BEST SIDE CHESTS AND HAND MMUSCULARS EVER,,LAT SPREAD AND REAR DB EHHH...
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Back in the day, the only one that could beat Strydom was Lee Haney
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Back in the day, the only one that could beat Strydom was Lee Haney
what is even more ironic those are two of the very few from that era that managed there money well. and are still alive for that matter
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Back in the day, the only one that could beat Strydom was Lee Haney
Back in the day people who beat Strydom, Phil Williams, Lee Haney, Rich Gaspari, Berry DeMey, Lee Labrada, Robby Robinson, Mohammed Benaziza, Nimrod King , Mike Christian, Flex Wheeler, Ronnie Coleman, Don Long , Milos Sarcev , Mike Matarazzo , Derrick Whitsett , J D Dawodu , Pavol Jablonicky ,Eddie Robinson , Achim Albrecht , Gunter Schlierkamp , Shawn Ray, Vince Comerford , Mike Asley , Phil Heath , Darrem Charles , David Henry , Marcus Haley , Bill Willmore , Rodney St Cloud. Other than those people he was untouchable ::)
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Back in the day people who beat Strydom, Phil Williams, Lee Haney, Rich Gaspari, Berry DeMey, Lee Labrada, Robby Robinson, Mohammed Benaziza, Nimrod King , Mike Christian, Flex Wheeler, Ronnie Coleman, Don Long , Milos Sarcev , Mike Matarazzo , Derrick Whitsett , J D Dawodu , Pavol Jablonicky ,Eddie Robinson , Achim Albrecht , Gunter Schlierkamp , Shawn Ray, Vince Comerford , Mike Asley , Phil Heath , Darrem Charles , David Henry , Marcus Haley , Bill Willmore , Rodney St Cloud. Other than those people he was untouchable ::)
you forgot mike dugdale :)
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The only year that Strydom’s back looked good (not great) was 1991
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That must be torture to have almost perfect genetics for bodybuilding except one big part like back.
He carried a gun in his gym bag all the time when in Venice, he upset one of the local crackheads over a car wash or something, Gary was typical safa not to fond of the brothers back in the day. Great physique except back and year round conditioning, successful disciplined guy. put his money into his label Crazee wear. Never knew him personally he kept to himself a fair bit.
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All well and good but he is a renowned cock-smith.
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He had a wife back in Venice days. Not that, that means anything especially as he's lived in Thailand last twenty years.
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Back in the day, the only one that could beat Strydom was Lee Haney
No way! Strydom couldn't beat Gaspari, Labrada, Demey, Yates, Ray, Wheeler, etc, etc.
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He went from good to mass monster. Must have been his change in PEDs
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He had a wife back in Venice days. Not that, that means anything especially as he's lived in Thailand last twenty years.
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He went from good to mass monster. Must have been his change in PEDs
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That is a badass picture right there
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He went from good to mass monster. Must have been his change in PEDs
(https://www.musclememory.com/magCovers/mmi/mmi086.jpg)
(https://www.builtreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/gary-strydom-056.jpg)
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Cybergenics.
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No way! Strydom couldn't beat Gaspari, Labrada, Demey, Yates, Ray, Wheeler, etc, etc.
Those guys didn't face the WBF version of Strydom (at least the 1991 version). Of course, the WBF started testing in 1992. Strydom got smaller but kept enough size to win again. Then he injured his shoulder and was out for months. By the time he came back, he stopped competing until he was forced to do so in 1996 to keep his Weider contract. I think the only show he did that year was the Night of Champions.
If Strydom had the option of not being tested (nor having a shoulder injury), he likely would have been even bigger.
He did beat Shawn Ray once: The 1988 Mr. Olympia. Ray placed 13th (rookie year for him); Strydom placed 5th.
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Those guys didn't face the WBF version of Strydom (at least the 1991 version). Of course, the WBF started testing in 1992. Strydom got smaller but kept enough size to win again. Then he injured his shoulder and was out for months. By the time he came back, he stopped competing until he was forced to do so in 1996 to keep his Weider contract. I think the only show he did that year was the Night of Champions.
If Strydom had the option of not being tested (nor having a shoulder injury), he likely would have been even bigger.
He did beat Shawn Ray once: The 1988 Mr. Olympia. Ray placed 13th (rookie year for him); Strydom placed 5th.
Strydom was only in the WBF for two years. Plenty of time to go up against all the others. He would have been invisible next to Yates.
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Those guys didn't face the WBF version of Strydom (at least the 1991 version). Of course, the WBF started testing in 1992. Strydom got smaller but kept enough size to win again. Then he injured his shoulder and was out for months. By the time he came back, he stopped competing until he was forced to do so in 1996 to keep his Weider contract. I think the only show he did that year was the Night of Champions.
If Strydom had the option of not being tested (nor having a shoulder injury), he likely would have been even bigger.
He did beat Shawn Ray once: The 1988 Mr. Olympia. Ray placed 13th (rookie year for him); Strydom placed 5th.
1990 he lost to Shawn , Mike Ashley and Vince Comerford.
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Strydom was only in the WBF for two years. Plenty of time to go up against all the others. He would have been invisible next to Yates.
I doubt that, especially in 1994. That's assuming he could have regained and exceeded his WBF size after recovering from his shoulder injury.
A slightly-upgraded version of 1991 Strydom vs. Yates with a bloated waist, a torn bicep, and holding more water than the Hoover Dam? Strydom wouldn't have been invisible, standing next to that (especially if he weighed as much as Yates or more).
But, there was (perhaps) the factor of whether his getting paid on the 3rd year of WBF contract was contingent on his being off the anabolics. That was the case with Eddie Robinson; but he was still hocking ICOPRO supplements for two years.
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Back in the day people who beat Strydom, Phil Williams, Lee Haney, Rich Gaspari, Berry DeMey, Lee Labrada, Robby Robinson, Mohammed Benaziza, Nimrod King , Mike Christian, Flex Wheeler, Ronnie Coleman, Don Long , Milos Sarcev , Mike Matarazzo , Derrick Whitsett , J D Dawodu , Pavol Jablonicky ,Eddie Robinson , Achim Albrecht , Gunter Schlierkamp , Shawn Ray, Vince Comerford , Mike Asley , Phil Heath , Darrem Charles , David Henry , Marcus Haley , Bill Willmore , Rodney St Cloud. Other than those people he was untouchable ::)
Bro...
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The areas that Strydom would shine: Delts, Pecs, Quads
The areas that Yates would Shine: Back, Hamstrings
It would be interesting to see a calves comparison
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Gary like Nasser could hold his own with anyone till he turned around. You just can't win a major competition like the Olympia since Haney won his first show without an Olympia standard back. Yates knew then only way to beat Haney was to at least equal him in back or he was no chance. If Yates didn't have a back Haney would not have retired. Yates had a back and head to toe conditioning that Haney didn't, even though Lee had one of the best back double biceps in the game, he knew Yates conditioning combined with his size meant he had to go to another level to hold him off. He chose his health and retired rather than eventually lose, 91 was close, 92 would have been closer, 93 like everyone else he was no chance.
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Gary at his IFBB return 1996 Night of Champions where he placed 12th
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Gary like Nasser could hold his own with anyone till he turned around. You just can't win a major competition like the Olympia since Haney won his first show without an Olympia standard back. Yates knew then only way to beat Haney was to at least equal him in back or he was no chance. If Yates didn't have a back Haney would not have retired. Yates had a back and head to toe conditioning that Haney didn't, even though Lee had one of the best back double biceps in the game, he knew Yates conditioning combined with his size meant he had to go to another level to hold him off. He chose his health and retired rather than eventually lose, 91 was close, 92 would have been closer, 93 like everyone else he was no chance.
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gary looked great from the front , gary was smart he took the wbf money made way more than he every would have with joe weider and he invested his money only did two ifbb shows after the ibf. and has been living in thailand and fucking whores and ladyboys ever since .
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Gary like Nasser could hold his own with anyone till he turned around. You just can't win a major competition like the Olympia since Haney won his first show without an Olympia standard back. Yates knew then only way to beat Haney was to at least equal him in back or he was no chance. If Yates didn't have a back Haney would not have retired. Yates had a back and head to toe conditioning that Haney didn't, even though Lee had one of the best back double biceps in the game, he knew Yates conditioning combined with his size meant he had to go to another level to hold him off. He chose his health and retired rather than eventually lose, 91 was close, 92 would have been closer, 93 like everyone else he was no chance.
Haney retired because he had nothing left to prove. He had plenty of money; his family was fairly secure. The only thing left was Arnold's record. Once he got that, he went out on top. And he's the last multi-Olympia winner to do so.
If Strydom had been in this show looking the way he did when he won the WBF title, that would have been a sight to see. Dorian may not have placed second after all.
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The 1992 WBF version of Gary Strydom would have lost to both Yates and Levrone at 1992 Olympia.
Yates & Levrone would’ve ANNIHILATED Gary in ‘92
Levrone here would crush 1992 Strydom
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Haney retired because he had nothing left to prove. He had plenty of money; his family was fairly secure. The only thing left was Arnold's record. Once he got that, he went out on top. And he's the last multi-Olympia winner to do so.
If Strydom had been in this show looking the way he did when he won the WBF title, that would have been a sight to see. Dorian may not have placed second after all.
In his acceptance speech at the 1991 Mr Olympia contest " Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years. "
Dorian was part of the reason he retired. Strydom isn't in Dorian's league never was in Dorian's league and he wouldn't beat him for the same reasons Nasser & Dillett couldn't.
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You can tell by Levrone’s face that he suffered through a precontest diet.
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Kevin looked great in 92, he got bigger without getting better afterwards.
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Haney retired because he had nothing left to prove. He had plenty of money; his family was fairly secure. The only thing left was Arnold's record. Once he got that, he went out on top. And he's the last multi-Olympia winner to do so.
If Strydom had been in this show looking the way he did when he won the WBF title, that would have been a sight to see. Dorian may not have placed second after all.
Haney retired as he was going to have to up the dose and even then he wasn't guaranteed too beat Yates. So he retired. Im a Haney fan as well. But no version of him was beating Yates in 93, no one in the last 31 years since has either. Including later versions of Yates.
Strydom could have got lost at the California state titles from behind. Front Side looked great, his back wouldn't win the LA.
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Haney retired as he was going to have to up the dose and even then he wasn't guaranteed too beat Yates. So he retired. Im a Haney fan as well. But no version of him was beating Yates in 93, no one in the last 31 years since has either. Including later versions of Yates.
Strydom could have got lost at the California state titles from behind. Front Side looked great, his back wouldn't win the LA.
This 100%
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Kevin looked great in 92, he got bigger without getting better afterwards.
Levrone looked good at the 1994 Arnold
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Levrone looked good at the 1994 Arnold
One of the few greats who could have been Mr O & Kevin is one of them.
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The 1992 WBF version of Gary Strydom would have lost to both Yates and Levrone at 1992 Olympia.
Yates & Levrone would’ve ANNIHILATED Gary in ‘92
Levrone here would crush 1992 Strydom
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In his acceptance speech at the 1991 Mr Olympia contest " Lee Haney 1991 Mr Olympia
Well Lee are you going to retire now? You know something I've been competing now for 9 years and I finally learned how to peak. So I might be around for a few more years. "
Dorian was part of the reason he retired. Strydom isn't in Dorian's league never was in Dorian's league and he wouldn't beat him for the same reasons Nasser & Dillett couldn't.
He stated in that press conference in 1991 that he was retiring. Why would Haney be scared of someone he just beat?
The last great accomplishment for the Awesome One was breaking Arnold's record.
As for Strydom, his 1991 form could go toe to toe with Yates all day and twice on Sunday.
We're not talking about how how Yates looked in 1993, especially with Strydom recovering from a bum shoulder and being drug-tested the previous year.
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The 1992 WBF version of Gary Strydom would have lost to both Yates and Levrone at 1992 Olympia.
Yates & Levrone would’ve ANNIHILATED Gary in ‘92
Levrone here would crush 1992 Strydom
Of course, Strydom was drug-tested and smaller than he was in 1991; Yates and Levrone weren't. Test all three of them or let them take whatever they want. Then you get a better assessment.
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Haney retired as he was going to have to up the dose and even then he wasn't guaranteed too beat Yates. So he retired. Im a Haney fan as well. But no version of him was beating Yates in 93, no one in the last 31 years since has either. Including later versions of Yates.
You're assuming that Haney couldn't have made a similar jump in size. It's not as if there was a huge age difference or anything. Haney is only 3 or 4 years older than Yates.
Yates has maintained that he dieted off too much size in 1992 to ensure he was in condition, and all he did in 1993 was not shave off those extra 15 lbs. He has, in recent interviews, shown pics of him 6-8 weeks out in 1992 (which look quite similar to his 1993 pics that far out from the Olympia).
As long as Haney and Yates were the same size (or fairly close), Haney beat Yates on shape and proportion.
Strydom could have got lost at the California state titles from behind. Front Side looked great, his back wouldn't win the LA.
Hence, why we call it bodybuilding, not just back-building. Strydom has bested plenty of guys with better backs that his was (Christian, Pearson, Quinn, etc).
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He stated in that press conference in 1991 that he was retiring. Why would Haney be scared of someone he just beat?
The last great accomplishment for the Awesome One was breaking Arnold's record.
As for Strydom, his 1991 form could go toe to toe with Yates all day and twice on Sunday.
We're not talking about how how Yates looked in 1993, especially with Strydom recovering from a bum shoulder and being drug-tested the previous year.
No he didn't he said he might stick around. Why would he be scared? Maybe he looked at the scorecards and noticed he lost the muscularity round to a guy 10lbs lighter in his first Olympia . I admire Haney for leaving on a high note, he had everything to lose and nothing to gain. It's obvious he saw Yates as a threat
Gary 1991 could stand toe-to-toe with Dorian? I don't think so, Gary could stand toe-to-toe with Mike Christian WBF Gary faced no real competition , 1991 Dorian beat a career best Lee Haney in the muscularity round , When Gary competed against Haney he was 5th place. 1991 he was heavier but that only highlighted his weak back which is a massive liability especially against someone who had probably the best back of all time.
In the end Dorian would simply win more poses over anyone
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No if or but's - Gary in his best shape vs Dorian or Kevin in their best
shape Gary loses , Not to say Gary didn't have a great physique especially
from the front / side just not good enough to beat Dorian or Kevin.
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You're assuming that Haney couldn't have made a similar jump in size. It's not as if there was a huge age difference or anything. Haney is only 3 or 4 years older than Yates.
Yates has maintained that he dieted off too much size in 1992 to ensure he was in condition, and all he did in 1993 was not shave off those extra 15 lbs. He has, in recent interviews, shown pics of him 6-8 weeks out in 1992 (which look quite similar to his 1993 pics that far out from the Olympia).
As long as Haney and Yates were the same size (or fairly close), Haney beat Yates on shape and proportion.
Hence, why we call it bodybuilding, not just back-building. Strydom has bested plenty of guys with better backs that his was (Christian, Pearson, Quinn, etc).
You're assuming that Haney couldn't have made a similar jump in size. It's not as if there was a huge age difference or anything. Haney is only 3 or 4 years older than Yates.
I've explained this to you multiple times before. Haney competed at 257lbs well before Dorian did and he said himself his conditioning was off. Haney couldn't compete at that weight and maintain his conditioning. In fact most bodybuilders can't Dorian could.
As long as Haney and Yates were the same size (or fairly close), Haney beat Yates on shape and proportion.
Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter. Haney has his advantages and Dorian had his. If Dorian was his career best 1993 Olympia he would easily beat Haney at his. Dorian would be bigger , harder , drier and have better balance.
Hence, why we call it bodybuilding, not just back-building. Strydom has bested plenty of guys with better backs that his was (Christian, Pearson, Quinn, etc).
Strydom also lost to plenty of guys with better backs. Pointing that out doesn't mean he could do it against top tier bodybuilders, Lets face it Gary's competition in the WBF left a lot to be desired. They hyped Strydom up as a legit threat to Haney in 1988 and he was a bust came in 229lbs to be a shredded as possible and only managed 5th pretty respectable for a Olympia debut but it was evident he was hype. He did well for himself but pick a year and he's not beating Haney or Yates or any of the other top tier guys. He came back to the IFBB in 1996 and was 12th he injuries no ' drug tests '
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Of course, Strydom was drug-tested and smaller than he was in 1991; Yates and Levrone weren't. Test all three of them or let them take whatever they want. Then you get a better assessment.
Strydom was on TONS of drugs in 1992. Screenshot from the video...
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You can tell by Levrone’s face that he suffered through a precontest diet.
i still say to this day levrone looked his best in 92
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i still say to this day levrone looked his best in 92
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I've explained this to you multiple times before. Haney competed at 257lbs well before Dorian did and he said himself his conditioning was off. Haney couldn't compete at that weight and maintain his conditioning. In fact most bodybuilders can't Dorian could.
Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter. Haney has his advantages and Dorian had his. If Dorian was his career best 1993 Olympia he would easily beat Haney at his. Dorian would be bigger , harder , drier and have better balance.
Strydom also lost to plenty of guys with better backs. Pointing that out doesn't mean he could do it against top tier bodybuilders, Lets face it Gary's competition in the WBF left a lot to be desired. They hyped Strydom up as a legit threat to Haney in 1988 and he was a bust came in 229lbs to be a shredded as possible and only managed 5th pretty respectable for a Olympia debut but it was evident he was hype. He did well for himself but pick a year and he's not beating Haney or Yates or any of the other top tier guys. He came back to the IFBB in 1996 and was 12th he injuries no ' drug tests '
ND, also, if the WBF had continued, Strydom would’ve eventually been dethroned by Aaron Baker.
Baker turned pro in 1990 and was steadily improving.
Strydom peaked in 1991, and he was on a slow decline from there
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By 1994, Strydom would’ve lost badly to Aaron Baker
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Mass monster from the front and a bantamweight from the rear
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A bantamweight Dexter holding his own against Gary
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Strydom was on TONS of drugs in 1992. Screenshot from the video...
Seriously ??? He was ' tested ' LMAO as if that means A) he wasn't on B) he didn't find away around the test C) there actually was a test
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Seriously ??? He was ' tested ' LMAO as if that means A) he wasn't on B) he didn't find away around the test C) there actually was a test
Several WBF guys said that Strydom wasn’t tested in 1992. We he did whatever he wanted to do.
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Yates was off in 1994, yes.... but a couple weeks after the Mr Olympia he peaked in Germany
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Yates was off in 1994, yes.... but a couple weeks after the Mr Olympia he peaked in Germany
Dorian was off from 1993 but his off is eons better than Strydoms on
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Gary was 229lbs in 1988 compared to Dorian's 228lbs at the Night of Champions
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I've explained this to you multiple times before. Haney competed at 257lbs well before Dorian did and he said himself his conditioning was off. Haney couldn't compete at that weight and maintain his conditioning. In fact most bodybuilders can't Dorian could.
And I've explained this to you multiple times, just because Haney competed once at 257 but wasn't super shredded does NOT mean he couldn't achieve such a feat. He competed at 240 earlier in his career, too. But the 240 or so he was carrying in 1991 was much better than he'd been competing at that weight in prior years.
Dorian beat a career best Haney in the muscularity round despite being 10lbs lighter. Haney has his advantages and Dorian had his. If Dorian was his career best 1993 Olympia he would easily beat Haney at his. Dorian would be bigger , harder , drier and have better balance.
Strydom also lost to plenty of guys with better backs. Pointing that out doesn't mean he could do it against top tier bodybuilders, Lets face it Gary's competition in the WBF left a lot to be desired. They hyped Strydom up as a legit threat to Haney in 1988 and he was a bust came in 229lbs to be a shredded as possible and only managed 5th pretty respectable for a Olympia debut but it was evident he was hype. He did well for himself but pick a year and he's not beating Haney or Yates or any of the other top tier guys. He came back to the IFBB in 1996 and was 12th he injuries no ' drug tests '
It's called overdieting. There's a BIG difference (literally) between 229-lb Strydom in 1988 and 260-lb Strydom in 1991. The latter would have weighed more than both Haney and Yates, if Strydom hadn't jumped ship. My frame of reference has always been how those men look in 1991, not 1992 nor 1993.
As for Strydom's WBF competition, most of the pros there were top-10 Olympia placers (Robinson, Padilla, M. Quinn, Christian, DeMey). And that was in an era were placing top 10 at the O was worth more than winning other pro shows.
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Strydom was on TONS of drugs in 1992. Screenshot from the video...
Seriously ??? He was ' tested ' LMAO as if that means A) he wasn't on B) he didn't find away around the test C) there actually was a test
I saw the contest the day it happened (I even taped it off the PPV, which cost me $15).
Strydom was obviously not as big as he was in 1991. Even McMahon mentioned that on the broadcast (see his '92 routine I posted).
Comparing a drug-tested Strydom with a Yates, who was allowed to take everything but the kitchen sink, is absurd.
Again, had both been tested or allowed to use whatever, you'd have a fairer comparison.
Several WBF guys said that Strydom wasn’t tested in 1992. We he did whatever he wanted to do.
The two that made the most fuss were the same ones who looked the worst at that show: Mike Christian (who ironically was accused of using a masking product to get past the drug test at the 1990 Olympia) and Mike Quinn. Christian got fined $25K (a month's pay) for popping positive (his being strung out on crack didn't help matters, either). Mike Quinn also had to cough up some bread.
Tony Pearson said everyone was tested; Eddie Robinson said much the same, as did Jim Quinn. Jim Quinn trained with Strydom for that show. In a MuscleMag interview, Quinn stated that Strydom was at 280 and he was nearly three bills when the hammer came down. They had size to spare. Plus they did (as Quinn put it) NOT make the mistake of following DiPasquale's diet.
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ND, also, if the WBF had continued, Strydom would’ve eventually been dethroned by Aaron Baker.
Baker turned pro in 1990 and was steadily improving.
Strydom peaked in 1991, and he was on a slow decline from there
With Jim Quinn and Berry DeMey being larger than Baker, I doubt that. More likely, with Strydom's injury, the show would have been open.
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From memory the testing back then was similar to the ifbb universe where you could get around it using test and HGH just had to time your levels with testing which wasn't random. Strydom just reacted well to test and high levels HGH. Back in those days HGH was expensive the bigger your contract the more you could use and Strydom was on the largest contract. What we saw were guys where that combo didn't work for them or they didn't have Garys budget.
I trained in the same gym with a lot of these guys in the same era and have watched many Olympias and pro shows always from up the front just behind the judges. McWay would have to be Gary to think he could hang on the level of Haney and Yates. Even Stevie wonder could see that Gary was a good pro, Haney was a legend, but Yates was unbeatable.
Bodybuilding not back building are you serious. ???
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With Jim Quinn and Berry DeMey being larger than Baker, I doubt that. More likely, with Strydom's injury, the show would have been open.
This says it all.
You know nothing about bodybuilding.
Prime Aaron Baker would absolutely destroy Jim Quinn.
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And I've explained this to you multiple times, just because Haney competed once at 257 but wasn't super shredded does NOT mean he couldn't achieve such a feat. He competed at 240 earlier in his career, too. But the 240 or so he was carrying in 1991 was much better than he'd been competing at that weight in prior years.
It's called overdieting. There's a BIG difference (literally) between 229-lb Strydom in 1988 and 260-lb Strydom in 1991. The latter would have weighed more than both Haney and Yates, if Strydom hadn't jumped ship. My frame of reference has always been how those men look in 1991, not 1992 nor 1993.
As for Strydom's WBF competition, most of the pros there were top-10 Olympia placers (Robinson, Padilla, M. Quinn, Christian, DeMey). And that was in an era were placing top 10 at the O was worth more than winning other pro shows.
And I've explained this to you multiple times, just because Haney competed once at 257 but wasn't super shredded does NOT mean he couldn't achieve such a feat. He competed at 240 earlier in his career, too. But the 240 or so he was carrying in 1991 was much better than he'd been competing at that weight in prior years.
Yes it does that's exactly what it means. You know how we know? He never did. he came in to heavy and didn't make that mistake again. He competed at 240lbs early in his career except he was 249lbs in 1991 not the same. He said himself he couldn't maintain his conditioning & deep cuts at 257lbs in hypotheticaland maybe he could tie it all together and do it but we know what transpired. His best showing ever was the 1991 Mr Olympia at 249lbs
It's called overdieting. There's a BIG difference (literally) between 229-lb Strydom in 1988 and 260-lb Strydom in 1991. The latter would have weighed more than both Haney and Yates, if Strydom hadn't jumped ship. My frame of reference has always been how those men look in 1991, not 1992 nor 1993.
Oh yes there is a big difference Strydom at 260lbs is NOT as conditioned as he was at 229lbs just like Haney wasn't at 257lbs compared to 91 when he was 249lbs. Neither Strydom or Haney could touch Dorian's conditioning so his extra weight would account for nothing , just like Haney's didn't
As for Strydom's WBF competition, most of the pros there were top-10 Olympia placers (Robinson, Padilla, M. Quinn, Christian, DeMey). And that was in an era were placing top 10 at the O was worth more than winning other pro shows.
Okay , Olympia is another level we know how Gary did at the Olympia pretty respectable 5th place Dorian placed 2nd in his first Olympia and in fact never placed below second in any professional contest he ever entered. Strydom had easy work with past their prime DeMey and Christian and Pearson and a bunch of rookies but Dorian the exception to the rule. None of those guys would touch Dorian just like Gary wouldn't no matter how much he weighed.
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I saw the contest the day it happened (I even taped it off the PPV, which cost me $15).
Strydom was obviously not as big as he was in 1991. Even McMahon mentioned that on the broadcast (see his '92 routine I posted).
Comparing a drug-tested Strydom with a Yates, who was allowed to take everything but the kitchen sink, is absurd.
Again, had both been tested or allowed to use whatever, you'd have a fairer comparison.
The two that made the most fuss were the same ones who looked the worst at that show: Mike Christian (who ironically was accused of using a masking product to get past the drug test at the 1990 Olympia) and Mike Quinn. Christian got fined $25K (a month's pay) for popping positive (his being strung out on crack didn't help matters, either). Mike Quinn also had to cough up some bread.
Tony Pearson said everyone was tested; Eddie Robinson said much the same, as did Jim Quinn. Jim Quinn trained with Strydom for that show. In a MuscleMag interview, Quinn stated that Strydom was at 280 and he was nearly three bills when the hammer came down. They had size to spare. Plus they did (as Quinn put it) NOT make the mistake of following DiPasquale's diet.
I saw the contest the day it happened (I even taped it off the PPV, which cost me $15).
Strydom was obviously not as big as he was in 1991. Even McMahon mentioned that on the broadcast (see his '92 routine I posted).
Comparing a drug-tested Strydom with a Yates, who was allowed to take everything but the kitchen sink, is absurd.
Again, had both been tested or allowed to use whatever, you'd have a fairer comparis
What's absurd is you actually think Strydom was clean or natural. Tests were routinely passed despite being on everything but the kitchen sink and I doubt there even was a test at all and like Royalty said the other guys said outright Strydom wasn't tested. That's more believable that he was tested and clean ::) and Vince mentioned he wasn't as big but he was better ::)
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By 1994, Strydom would’ve lost badly to Aaron Baker
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Gary if you’re reading this... you talked shit about Dorian after the 1993 Olympia. Yes I remember that.
But you would’ve been TORCHED!!! Everyone knew it then. Everybody knows it now.
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Gary if you’re reading this... you talked shit about Dorian after the 1993 Olympia. Yes I remember that.
But you would’ve been TORCHED!!! Everyone knew it then. Everybody knows it now.
Really? What did he say? I don't recall this
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Really? What did he say? I don't recall this
After the 93 Olympia, there was a free poster of Dorian in Flex Magazine hitting a hands-clasped most muscular.
Gary said this about the poster: “that is not a Mr Olympia physique”
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After the 93 Olympia, there was a free poster of Dorian in Flex Magazine hitting a hands-clasped most muscular.
Gary said this about the poster: “that is not a Mr Olympia physique”
Wow based off of a single pose lol Gary has the better hands clasped most muscular for sure , the only other poses I could give to Gary are side chest and maybe front double biceps although it's not a strong pose for either of them but Dorian would bury him in almost every other pose that's how the Mr Olympia is won
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Wow based off of a single pose lol Gary has the better hands clasped most muscular for sure , the only other poses I could give to Gary are side chest and maybe front double biceps although it's not a strong pose for either of them but Dorian would bury him in almost every other pose that's how the Mr Olympia is won
93 Yates would definitely win the front Double Biceps over Strydom
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I doubt that, especially in 1994. That's assuming he could have regained and exceeded his WBF size after recovering from his shoulder injury.
A slightly-upgraded version of 1991 Strydom vs. Yates with a bloated waist, a torn bicep, and holding more water than the Hoover Dam? Strydom wouldn't have been invisible, standing next to that (especially if he weighed as much as Yates or more).
But, there was (perhaps) the factor of whether his getting paid on the 3rd year of WBF contract was contingent on his being off the anabolics. That was the case with Eddie Robinson; but he was still hocking ICOPRO supplements for two years.
Strydom had a bloated waist BTW
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93 Yates would definitely win the front Double Biceps over Strydom
I think so Gary's wasn't that great
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I think so Gary's wasn't that great
considering Dorian never Squatted later on his legs were outstanding
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1991 Strydom vs 1993 Yates
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I remember when Mike Quinn was asked about how 1993 Pro Ironman Invitational & 1993 Arnold Classic Champion Flex Wheeler was doing after prejudging.
Mike Quinn said something like this: “It’s like classy greyhound (Flex) trying to fight huge rottweiler (Yates). Nobody can beat Yates.”
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Mike Quinn's response when asked if Strydom was natural in 1992 lol Begins at 15:37 ;D
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From memory the testing back then was similar to the ifbb universe where you could get around it using test and HGH just had to time your levels with testing which wasn't random. Strydom just reacted well to test and high levels HGH. Back in those days HGH was expensive the bigger your contract the more you could use and Strydom was on the largest contract. What we saw were guys where that combo didn't work for them or they didn't have Garys budget.
Dr. Mauro Dipasquale claimed his protocols were much stricter than that. His test reportedly could detect Clenbuterol, HCG, dihydrotestosterone (DHT). Dipasquale also mentioned doing hormonal profiles to detect the use of exogenous testosterone, even when it's not detectable in urine. That sounds a lot stricter than the Universe protocols.
Side note - I've asked this question when the subject of Ronnie Coleman's early years pops up: If the Universe drug tests are so easy to pass, why didn't all these top amateurs (who just couldn't quite nab the USA, North American, nor Nationals) simply go to the Universe, win his class there, and turn pro the way Ronnie did? Matt Mendenhall, Edgar Fletcher, Dave Palumbo, Rory Leidmeyer, Dean Caputo, and (until 2000, Bob Chicherillo) plus a litany of NPC bridesmaids could theoretically have gone that route to snatch that elusive IFBB pro card.
I trained in the same gym with a lot of these guys in the same era and have watched many Olympias and pro shows always from up the front just behind the judges. McWay would have to be Gary to think he could hang on the level of Haney and Yates. Even Stevie wonder could see that Gary was a good pro, Haney was a legend, but Yates was unbeatable.
Bodybuilding not back building are you serious. ???
Indeed! It's about the whole body. But every time someone even mentions Gary Strydom, here comes the deluge of rear-double-bicep and rear lat spread shots, especially from 1988......as if Haney and Yates didn't have weaknesses on their physiques.
Strydom looked like a relative crackhead in 1988 yet placed 5th at the Olympia. Yet somehow you're claiming that much BIGGER and fuller Strydom couldn't hang with Yates or Haney just three years later? That makes no sense. Strydom would be larger at 265 than either man in their respective 1991 forms in the 240s.
To me, it's not different than when some people talk about Arnold Schwarzenegger and pretended that the way he looked in 1974 is how he looked at every single Olympia he won.
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What's absurd is you actually think Strydom was clean or natural. Tests were routinely passed despite being on everything but the kitchen sink and I doubt there even was a test at all and like Royalty said the other guys said outright Strydom wasn't tested. That's more believable that he was tested and clean ::) and Vince mentioned he wasn't as big but he was better ::)
I said he was tested; that doesn't mean natural, especially since the drug testing had only started in March of 1992.
There wasn't a test? Did you forget about Mike Christian? He stated himself that he got fined a month's pay ($25,000) for popping positive on the drug test. So, how do you go from nobody being drug-tested to everyone but Strydom being tested?
And I mentioned the other WBF guys who stated that all of them (including Strydom) were screened.
Tony Pearson maintained that he didn't lose a dime during that period. (13:30)
Again, I saw the show on TV when it happened. McMahon claimed that "overall, he may even be better". Basically, Strydom shrunk but concentrated on being cut instead of keeping his size.
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I said he was tested; that doesn't mean natural, especially since the drug testing had only started in March of 1992.
There wasn't a test? Did you forget about Mike Christian? He stated himself that he got fined a month's pay ($25,000) for popping positive on the drug test. And I mentioned the other WBF guys who stated that all of them (including Strydom) were tested.
Tony Pearson maintained that he didn't lose a dime during that period. (13:30)
Again, I saw the show on TV when it happened. McMahon claimed that "overall, he may even be better". Basically, Strydom shrunk but concentrated on being cut instead of keeping his size.
Your implying he was natural because he was smaller than 1991. Noting it was tested is meaningless because tests are routinely bypassed if they were even implemented. it's all moot because no version of Gary is beating Haney or Yates from 1991 he still has the same flaws just heavier and less conditioned
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93 Yates would definitely win any show
since bodybuilding exists.
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93 Yates would definitely win the front Double Biceps over Strydom
Only is the judges completely ignore two torn biceps
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Only is the judges completely ignore two torn biceps
He only tore one bicep and that was in 94 and overall it made no deference
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Your implying he was natural because he was smaller than 1991. Noting it was tested is meaningless because tests are routinely bypassed if they were even implemented. it's all moot because no version of Gary is beating Haney or Yates from 1991 he still has the same flaws just heavier and less conditioned
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Don't you have to actually have testing for it to be cancelled (notwithstanding that it was merely "rumored" that McMahon wanted to scrap the protocols)? I'm sure Mike Christian's wallet would beg to differ with your assertion. ;D
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Mike Quinn's response when asked if Strydom was natural in 1992 lol Begins at 15:37 ;D
Mike said Gary was a legend in his own mind......Pot meet kettle.
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Bodybuilding is about balance and proportions. Not having one musclegroup outdo all the others.
Saying this is "no back"
(https://www.ambal.ru/52148646882.jpg)
is like stating these three had "no back"
(https://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2009/01/013-1.jpg)
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He only tore one bicep and that was in 94 and overall it made no deference
Someone with such poor deformed arms should never even be in the top5 of any Mr Olympia:
(https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d248c22767727519bc8290517065b69-lq)
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Someone with such poor deformed arms should never even be in the top5 of any Mr Olympia:
Always knew you were a gimmick just wasn't sure who's but using the old edited pic of Nasser lol Most likely that fat tub of shit pumpster
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Bodybuilding is about balance and proportions. Not having one musclegroup outdo all the others.
Saying this is "no back"
is like stating these three had "no back"
His back sucks there's no way around it. It's not proportionate to a man his weight or size. It sucks when he's light it sucks when he's heavy it flat-out sucks. No size , no depth , no width , no separation , no details.
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Someone with such poor deformed arms should never even be in the top5 of any Mr Olympia:
Fucking moron
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His back sucks there's no way around it. It's not proportionate to a man his weight or size. It sucks when he's light it sucks when he's heavy it flat-out sucks. No size , no depth , no width , no separation , no details.
That is horrible for an IFBB pro.
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Strydom is the original white Sexatron
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Bodybuilding is about balance and proportions.
Brenda were Gary’s in proportion with his quads 91?
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considering Dorian never Squatted later on his legs were outstanding
Yeah but he most likely built most of his leg mass from squats early on in his career
But what the fuck do I know about legs 😂
Strydom's delta arms and pecs were on another level, pity about his lats and mid-upper back though
Dillet was quite similar with weak lats and mid-upper back
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Yeah but he most likely built most of his leg mass from squats early on in his career
But what the fuck do I know about legs 😂
Strydom's delta arms and pecs were on another level, pity about his lats and mid-upper back though
Dillet was quite similar with weak lats and mid-upper back
dj you are exactly right. dillett from the front was on another level what a beast i remember reading he had bad shoulders from playing football in canada he did not train heavy at all that fucking guy was a mega responder. gary looked like a million bucks from the front.
but heck he made out better than anyone from that era money wise between the wbf and his clothing company
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Yeah but he most likely built most of his leg mass from squats early on in his career
But what the fuck do I know about legs 😂
Strydom's delta arms and pecs were on another level, pity about his lats and mid-upper back though
Dillet was quite similar with weak lats and mid-upper back
You got caught & badly exposed - you Fucked off
Stay Fucked off.
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Even though the pose is not yet being hit, Mike Quinn’s back mass is killing Gary.
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Even though the pose is not yet being hit, Mike Quinn’s back mass is killing Gary.
Despite being 25lbs lighter too
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Brenda were Gary’s in proportion with his quads 91?
You can't resist a bodybuilders butt, can you?
I mean, you see a butt or a dick in a thong and your one and only thought is: zoom in, cut, paste and save.
You must go back and catalog them alphabetically after the initial thrill has worn off?
Admit it you old schmoe, you'd give away a week's pay for the chance to slap on Gary's wig and wear his thong around your face like a feedbag.... Royalty, you looney old schmoe.
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Demey vs Strydom 1991
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Demey vs Strydom 1991
royalty correct me if i am wrong did demey ever compete after the wbf folded the guy looked great in his day
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royalty correct me if i am wrong did demey ever compete after the wbf folded the guy looked great in his day
He competed at the 1993 NOC and the 1994 ASC
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He competed at the 1993 NOC and the 1994 ASC
damm i forgot about that, it was so long ago didnt he tear his pec prior to that if i remember right
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ND I’ll handle this.
Yes.
He competed at the 1993 NOC and the 1994 ASC
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damm i forgot about that, it was so long ago didnt he tear his pec prior to that if i remember right
DeMey had a great back during his peak IFBB years. Very detailed, he had the pronounced Christmas tree in his lower back.
But he failed the drug test at the ASC and was suspended for a long time and when training for his return from his suspension he tore his pec. Before he could compete in the IFBB again, the WBF was formed and he signed with them.
So he was off the stage for a couple of years between his suspension from the IFBB and taking the stage at the WBF. He looked good in the WBF but he lacked his trademark conditioning and his back lacked the crisp detail.
I've never seen any pics from his shows after returning to the IFBB but I read that he looked good but was punished by the judges. Mike Quinn also looked great in his return to the IFBB but placed 10th at the NOC. All the former WBF guys were screwed when they came back.
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DeMey had a great back during his peak
I've never seen any pics from his shows after returning to the IFBB
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(https://www.ambal.ru/96225153233.jpg)
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DeMey had a great back during his peak IFBB years. Very detailed, he had the pronounced Christmas tree in his lower back.
But he failed the drug test at the ASC and was suspended for a long time and when training for his return from his suspension he tore his pec. Before he could compete in the IFBB again, the WBF was formed and he signed with them.
So he was off the stage for a couple of years between his suspension from the IFBB and taking the stage at the WBF. He looked good in the WBF but he lacked his trademark conditioning and his back lacked the crisp detail.
I've never seen any pics from his shows after returning to the IFBB but I read that he looked good but was punished by the judges. Mike Quinn also looked great in his return to the IFBB but placed 10th at the NOC. All the former WBF guys were screwed when they came back.
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/berry5.jpg.webp)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9e/9a/18/9e9a184d4060fa0c1a5b95aaf6790c5d.jpg)
(https://forum.bodybuilding.nl/attachments/1574116204396-png.471530/)
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DeMey had a great back during his peak IFBB years. Very detailed, he had the pronounced Christmas tree in his lower back.
But he failed the drug test at the ASC and was suspended for a long time and when training for his return from his suspension he tore his pec. Before he could compete in the IFBB again, the WBF was formed and he signed with them.
So he was off the stage for a couple of years between his suspension from the IFBB and taking the stage at the WBF. He looked good in the WBF but he lacked his trademark conditioning and his back lacked the crisp detail.
I've never seen any pics from his shows after returning to the IFBB but I read that he looked good but was punished by the judges. Mike Quinn also looked great in his return to the IFBB but placed 10th at the NOC. All the former WBF guys were screwed when they came back.
Thanks MCWAY
We didn’t know this 🙄