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Dorian’s 1993 physique takes the edge in:
1. Side Triceps
2. Front Lat Spread
3. Ab and Thighs
4. Side Chest
Ronnie dominates in:
1. Back Double Biceps
2. Front Double Biceps
3. Rear Lat Spread
4. Most Muscular
It's a close battle. Dorian was extremely grainy and hard. He had amazing calves. Ronnie had unreal arms, thigh mass, glute mass and striations. Both had long legs and a shorter torso - ideal proportions. Ronnie's legs looked a bit odd because the thighs overpowered his calves. Dorian's thighs were a little on the light side - but he had deep cuts in his legs from the side and decent hamstrings. Both had great forearms and lats.
In the end, I’d call it a draw.
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This is a settled issue.
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It’s very subjective. It all depends on how you like your men…..
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This is a settled issue.
It's a draw.
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It’s very subjective. It all depends on how you like your men…..
Oh wow, that's gay!
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Yates 93, the best of all time.
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Yates 93, the best of all time.
That's a morphed pic.
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Ronnie is right, but he wasn't the only one. Levrone, Wheeler, Haney and Cormier were all better than Dorian
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This is a settled issue.
nah.. it needs another thread
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Aaron Baker had a better back than Dorian:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_sSKcG4kHg9_FN3WCW2TkNIJeu1K8kenM4w&s)
insane arms, chest en calfs too
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/aaron7.jpg)
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Ronnie is right
The Goat
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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That's a morphed pic.
No it's not and that's from 1994
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Dorian was legit winner 92 and 93 from then on whoever took second was a better bodybuilder overall than the shadow.
thanks to him open BB its in its current state FAK that guy
WooooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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Dorian was legit winner 92 and 93 from then on whoever took second was a better bodybuilder overall than the shadow.
thanks to him open BB its in its current state FAK that guy
The first part is 100% true.
Can't blame Dorian, though. It's the judges of that era who are at fault -- and every other bodybuilder (e.g. Nasser, JP Fux, Dillett, etc.,) was doing the same shit at the time. Guts and huge legs and asses just came into fashion, and synthol/SEO was also a new thing then.
Say what you will about that cuck Arnold, but he was 100% against those 90s trends.
As for Ronnie: When I was young I found him insanely impressive. The older I get the more grotesque he seems, with his weird midsection and bulbous legs. Almost monstrous. Negative aesthetics. Dorian wasn't great, but Dorian was better.
Ronnie is definitely the most muscular human to ever live, but muscularity alone =/= bodybuilding.
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It’s very subjective. It all depends on how you like your men…..
Black and dumb or white and mute? That's tough.
Well Doz is winning now. Getting high, staying in shape, prioritizing physical health, banging a hot tranny. Versus Ronnie, being carted around in a wheel chair and getting his ass wiped by his mudshark.
But as bodybuilders its not really even close. At their competitive BEST Dorian in 93 and Ronnie in 03, Ronnie had everything Dorian had but more. Bigger, just as hard, just as dense, just as ripped. The only thing Dorian had Ronnie on was calves and forearms.
Obsidian provides a pretty good analysis but I have to disagree with a few of his choices. As good as Dorians side chest and front lat spread were, Ronnie in 03 is beats him in those poses. So instead of 4 apiece its more like 6-2.
Then there's the total victories. Ronnie has close to 30 while Dorian has like 10. Then total Olympia victories. Ronnie has 8 with 1 being slightly controversial. Dorian has 6 with at least 2 being very controversial.
Also, Dorian never really truly put the controversy to rest. You can argue that he never really shut up Shawn Ray or Nasser. While I do think Dorian deserved his wins in 95 and 96 , they were extremely close. 94was bad and 97 was atrocious. Ronnie had 1 close call with Jay in 01 but beat him roundly every year thereafter.
Even the year Jay won in 06 was kind of bullshit. Dorian got every close call and then some and still couldn't come close to 8 sandows. Ronnie tbh looked like anytime it was close "they" were anxious to see him get beat. Letting Gunther beat him at the Show of Strength? And Giving it to Jay in 06? Ronnie never received the kind of favors Dorian did. Ronnie earned each of his Olympias and damn near 3 times as many pro victories as Dorian.
Bigger, stronger, just as ripped, better body parts, arms, chest, thighs with a back that neutralized Dorians bread and butter muscle group. Both their abs were weird but Doz lost complete control of his abs, oblique and waist, while Ronnie always kept a V taper even when his waist grew out of control.
Im a fan of Dorian too, but Ronnie was everything Dorian was just bigger and better.
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Black and dumb or white and mute? That's tough.
Well Doz is winning now. Getting high, staying in shape, prioritizing physical health, banging a hot tranny. Versus Ronnie, being carted around in a wheel chair and getting his ass wiped by his mudshark.
But as bodybuilders its not really even close. At their competitive BEST Dorian in 93 and Ronnie in 03, Ronnie had everything Dorian had but more. Bigger, just as hard, just as dense, just as ripped. The only thing Dorian had Ronnie on was calves and forearms.
Obsidian provides a pretty good analysis but I have to disagree with a few of his choices. As good as Dorians side chest and front lat spread were, Ronnie in 03 is beats him in those poses. So instead of 4 apiece its more like 6-2.
Then there's the total victories. Ronnie has close to 30 while Dorian has like 10. Then total Olympia victories. Ronnie has 8 with 1 being slightly controversial. Dorian has 6 with at least 2 being very controversial.
Also, Dorian never really truly put the controversy to rest. You can argue that he never really shut up Shawn Ray or Nasser. While I do think Dorian deserved his wins in 95 and 96 , they were extremely close. 94was bad and 97 was atrocious. Ronnie had 1 close call with Jay in 01 but beat him roundly every year thereafter.
Even the year Jay won in 06 was kind of bullshit. Dorian got every close call and then some and still couldn't come close to 8 sandows. Ronnie tbh looked like anytime it was close "they" were anxious to see him get beat. Letting Gunther beat him at the Show of Strength? And Giving it to Jay in 06? Ronnie never received the kind of favors Dorian did. Ronnie earned each of his Olympias and damn near 3 times as many pro victories as Dorian.
Bigger, stronger, just as ripped, better body parts, arms, chest, thighs with a back that neutralized Dorians bread and butter muscle group. Both their abs were weird but Doz lost complete control of his abs, oblique and waist, while Ronnie always kept a V taper even when his waist grew out of control.
Im a fan of Dorian too, but Ronnie was everything Dorian was just bigger and better.
Good asssessment. And I agree. Does that mean we like our men black and dumb? :D
Yip yip!
(https://breakingmuscle.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Ronnie-Coleman-Black-and-White-Posing.jpg)
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Yates 93, the best of all time.
No contest - the goat.
Ronnie was bigger but has a different look.
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grotesque he seems, with his weird midsection and bulbous legs. Almost monstrous. Negative aesthetics.
boom.. an accurate description of coleman
Stephano gets it.
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Dorian had betted calves.
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Dorian had betted calves.
All doorways and dictionaries
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Aaron Baker had a better back than Dorian:
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT_sSKcG4kHg9_FN3WCW2TkNIJeu1K8kenM4w&s)
insane arms, chest en calfs too
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/aaron7.jpg)
He was very underrated and he took pretty low doses
And he is a good Christian man too boot
Love that dude
Testosterone Cypionate – 400 mg per week.
Primobolan – 100-200 mg per week
Anadrol – 50 mg per day
Parabolan – Dosage was not specified
Winstrol, Dianabol, Anavar, Halotestin – Reserved for specific phases pre-contest or during mass gaining phases. Dosages were not specified. These were not all utilized at once, he simply mentioned he has used them before, hence them being added to this list.
Growth Hormone – 2 IUs/day, every other day, for 10-12 weeks pre-contest only
Insulin – 10 IUs administered twice a day pre-contest only
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As someone said, others also always blamed Dorian for ruining the sport. When Dorian won Vince Taylor blamed racism and said they always have to mix in some vanilla at the top. Lee Labrada said he saw Dorian at a photoshoot after a show and said he just looked like a side of beef with no cuts. Of course compared to today 92 Dorian looked like a Greek God. Inn 93 absolutely no one complained from what I remember, everyone was just dejected by the insane gains they thought he had made. The mags claimed, and in articles Vince Taylor himself was supposedly saying, that even he went to try HIT, they were so bewildered. Dorian of course said he didn't really put on much muscle for 93, he just dieted away less.
Today Dorian is still seen as a great one and part of the crop of guys in the 90s 'who still looked good and actually got in real shape.' But complaints were made back then...
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Dorian wins - How many times did Dorian beat Ronnie
& Ronnie beat Dorian when Competing. 😊
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Bhanky was the best.
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Yates 93, the best of all time.
It would go like this,
1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay
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Dorian wins - How many times did Dorian beat Ronnie
& Ronnie beat Dorian when Competing. 😊
That is not a reliable argument. The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.
Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.
Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms. So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.
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Ronnie is right, but he wasn't the only one. Levrone, Wheeler, Haney and Cormier were all better than Dorian
You're smoking crack. 1993 Dorian was better than all of them.
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No it's not and that's from 1994
Wow, ok my bad! Dude was majestic!
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It would go like this,
1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay
Very racially balanced. I know he’s dead to most of us, but no Arnold ‘74?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUD9aWczKFtxfFC7KTiO77rwqqimz0_gomEw&s)
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That is not a reliable argument. The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.
Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.
Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms. So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.
Ronnie in 03 and 04 was huge, but was he better? 98 Ronnie looked a lot better than 03 Ronnie.
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Dorian’s 1993 physique takes the edge in:
1. Side Triceps
2. Front Lat Spread
3. Ab and Thighs
4. Side Chest
Ronnie dominates in:
1. Back Double Biceps
2. Front Double Biceps
3. Rear Lat Spread
4. Most Muscular
It's a close battle. Dorian was extremely grainy and hard. He had amazing calves. Ronnie had unreal arms, thigh mass, glute mass and striations. Both had long legs and a shorter torso - ideal proportions. Ronnie's legs looked a bit odd because the thighs overpowered his calves. Dorian's thighs were a little on the light side - but he had deep cuts in his legs from the side and decent hamstrings. Both had great forearms and lats.
In the end, I’d call it a draw.
I agree with you, basically. I think Dorian won his 4 poses more convincingly that Ronnie won his. I also think Dorian is much better and more polished on the quarter turns. To me, that gives Dorian the tie breaker.
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That is not a reliable argument. The version of Ronnie that Dorian beat wasn't even close to Ronnie's best in 03 or 04.
Dorian really only had 2 dominant wins. I believe he deserved 95 and 96 but alot of people think he lost at least one of those or both. And 94 and especially 97 he didn't look good.
Ronnie was dominant. OK, so Dorian clearly had him on calves and forearms. So what. Ronnie had him on everything else.
What & you think yours is 😂🤣😂
Opinions vary.
When they did compete with each other Dorian was clear winner
Everything else is if & buts & pure speculation.
Do you not think Dorian wouldn’t of raised his game if He'd needed to beat
Ronnie. 👊🏻
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It would go like this,
1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay
Yates 93 , Jay 09 , Arnold 74 - Damn those 3 all on stage at same time
That would be a very tough Call.
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This shot of Dorian in 93 always impressed me. Too bad there aren't higher resolution versions online. It was small even in the magazines. He is the focal point, the others disappear.
More 93 Olympia pics here:
https://www.ambal.ru/compt.php?c=8&im=323721
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(https://www.ambal.ru/82697227323.jpg)
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I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.
Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.
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(https://www.ambal.ru/02829963236.jpg)
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I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.
Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.
I don't think Ronnie compares to Dorian.
Ronnie was great and all - Calves abs forearms lack of separation in thighs
and tight grainy condition left a lot to be desired.
Dorian 👊🏻
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I don’t think anyone beats a prime Ronnie Coleman.
Dorian was great and all, but I also think he was somewhat over rated. Great back and legs but chest and arms left a lot to be desired.
Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.
Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.
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Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.
Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.
Thought that was Urs for a second
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Dorian’s 1993 physique takes the edge in:
1. Side Triceps
2. Front Lat Spread
3. Ab and Thighs
4. Side Chest
Ronnie dominates in:
1. Back Double Biceps
2. Front Double Biceps
3. Rear Lat Spread
4. Most Muscular
It's a close battle. Dorian was extremely grainy and hard. He had amazing calves. Ronnie had unreal arms, thigh mass, glute mass and striations. Both had long legs and a shorter torso - ideal proportions. Ronnie's legs looked a bit odd because the thighs overpowered his calves. Dorian's thighs were a little on the light side - but he had deep cuts in his legs from the side and decent hamstrings. Both had great forearms and lats.
In the end, I’d call it a draw.
Ronnie gets front and rear dbl and thats it. No draw, Dorian crushes him.
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Dorian's FLS was unreal. He beats Ronnie in that pose no question. Along with a few of the other compulsories. If 03 Ronnie competed in 1993, I think Dorian would win because he looked better. Ronnie was too big in 03 which spoiled his lines. He looked better in 98-99.
Dorian might have added more size if Ronnie was as big in the 90s.
I think Ronnie wins most mandatories. There was one year, I forgot which one it was, but many people think it was the best any bodybuilder has ever looked.
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Start at 1:20
Start at 1:20
Ronnie wins. :-* :)
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It would go like this,
1. 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie
2. 93 Yates
3. 2013 Heath
4. 09 Jay
You don’t have Flex 93 Arnold in this list.
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You don’t have Flex 93 Arnold in this list.
This is only based on list in the video.
My personal top 5 are 98 Ronnie (sans gyno), 93 Flex, 93 Dorian, 2012 Phil, 91 Haney
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What & you think yours is 😂🤣😂
Opinions vary.
When they did compete with each other Dorian was clear winner
Everything else is if & buts & pure speculation.
Do you not think Dorian wouldn’t of raised his game if He'd needed to beat
Ronnie. 👊🏻
No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart.
So, is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? I suppose Greg Deferro is better than Haney too. And Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali too then?
We are talking head to head peak condition and overall career.
I mean, of course you are entitled to your opinion but neither Dorian or Ronnie had aesthetic physiques. In 93 Dorian blew everyone away with those B&W photos that leaked out- and to be honest here never produced that look on stage. His strength was his sheer size and Ronnie had more of it with just as good conditioning.
15 pro wins vs. 26 pro wins
6 O's vs 8 O's
257 lbs vs. 292 lbs?
Idk, it seems pretty obvious to me. And its not like we're talking about vastly different eras. Like comparing Larry Scott to Big Ramy where you can take into account differences in nutrition, supplements, drugs etc. The same shit was available to both Doz and Ron. Doz just quit before he completely destroyed himself unlike Ron who was determined to destroy his body.
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No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart.
So, is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? I suppose Greg Deferro is better than Haney too. And Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali too then?
We are talking head to head peak condition and overall career.
I mean, of course you are entitled to your opinion but neither Dorian or Ronnie had aesthetic physiques. In 93 Dorian blew everyone away with those B&W photos that leaked out- and to be honest here never produced that look on stage. His strength was his sheer size and Ronnie had more of it with just as good conditioning.
15 pro wins vs. 26 pro wins
6 O's vs 8 O's
257 lbs vs. 292 lbs?
Idk, it seems pretty obvious to me. And its not like we're talking about vastly different eras. Like comparing Larry Scott to Big Ramy where you can take into account differences in nutrition, supplements, drugs etc. The same shit was available to both Doz and Ron. Doz just quit before he completely destroyed himself unlike Ron who was determined to destroy his body.
You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.
As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.
Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.
On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.
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You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.
As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.
Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.
On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.
96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.
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96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.
Yes quite possibly so 👍🏻
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I also don't see Yates beating Ronnie at the 2001 ASC.
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I also don't see Yates beating Ronnie at the 2001 ASC.
Thats because he didn't compete 🤣👊🏻
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Thats because he didn't compete 🤣👊🏻
My Caucasian!
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I mean I guess you can say Dorian never beat Lee Haney also ?
As far as Ronnie goes his best with conditioning to match was in 1998 and 1999, maybe 2001 AC too
2003 and 04, he was massive and i saw him prep those two Olympias at metro flex , but his conditioning wasn’t his best
In the real world right now, Dorian wins , he can walk , run, looks relatively healthy while Ronnie a long with flex wheeler are knocking on deaths door. One doesn’t have a leg to stand on, the other needs a wheel chair to move along and both in and out of the hospital for medical procedures
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I mean I guess you can say Dorian never beat Lee Haney also ?
As far as Ronnie goes his best with conditioning to match was in 1998 and 1999, maybe 2001 AC too
2003 and 04, he was massive and i saw him prep those two Olympias at metro flex , but his conditioning wasn’t his best
In the real world right now, Dorian wins , he can walk , run, looks relatively healthy while Ronnie a long with flex wheeler are knocking on deaths door. One doesn’t have a leg to stand on, the other needs a wheel chair to move along and both in and out of the hospital for medical procedures
Dorian outcocks Ronnie as well.
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Ronnie destroyed everyone, Dorian will always be my all time favorite bodybuilder but Ronnie may be the GOAT
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96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.
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^That's incredible
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Awesome 👊🏻
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Ronnie destroyed everyone, Dorian will always be my all time favorite bodybuilder but Ronnie may be the GOAT
Agreed.
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Was never really a Dorian fan but his size and conditioning was hard to match! Starting to see how he beat all those guys he competed with now. They were too small to stand next to Dorian or didn’t have the conditioning to match , he had both
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Dorian outcocks Ronnie as well.
And it still works without having a wheel chair either ;D
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And it still works without having a wheel chair either ;D
And Dorian obviously knows how to pull out still.
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You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.
As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.
Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.
On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.
You completely missed the part where I answered.
"No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart."
What makes you think Dorian could've "raised his game"? What? You think he was holding back? Preparing for Nasser ended his career. If Dorian competed in 98, you think he could've won again? Let alone beat Ronnie?
Dorian didn't compete at 285...ever. You choosing Colemans 1st Olympia as his best look is convenient for your choice. Saying "both around 260..." well no. No, dorians best was 260, Ron's was 290. So, no. You're bending facts to suit your answer. Not bending your answer to fit the facts: Ronnie had 35 more pounds of solid muscle. 2 more Olympia wins, none of which were as controversial or absurd as Dorian-s 97 gift or his 94 "win",10 more pro victories.
Now, You missed the part where I asked you if Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali? Is Greg Deferro better than Lee Haney? Is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? Using your logic Trevor Berbick is the greatest of all time. Chet Yorton is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Well, he beat Arnold, so he must be better, right?
Btw, Im not arguing, because there is no argument. I believe people saying Dorian have their biases. Afterall it is subjective. However there will never be another Coleman. No one since he fell apart has been as mind blowing.
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The only BB who could ever beat a prime Ronnie was Phil Heath.
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Ronnie-Coleman-posing-750x750.jpg)
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The only BB who could ever beat a prime Ronnie was Phil Heath.
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Ronnie-Coleman-posing-750x750.jpg)
That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.
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That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.
For once I am in total agreement with you.
Btw, why do you have a picture of a wax dummy cadaver for your icon?
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You completely missed the part where I answered.
"No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart."
What makes you think Dorian could've "raised his game"? What? You think he was holding back? Preparing for Nasser ended his career. If Dorian competed in 98, you think he could've won again? Let alone beat Ronnie?
Dorian didn't compete at 285...ever. You choosing Colemans 1st Olympia as his best look is convenient for your choice. Saying "both around 260..." well no. No, dorians best was 260, Ron's was 290. So, no. You're bending facts to suit your answer. Not bending your answer to fit the facts: Ronnie had 35 more pounds of solid muscle. 2 more Olympia wins, none of which were as controversial or absurd as Dorian-s 97 gift or his 94 "win",10 more pro victories.
Now, You missed the part where I asked you if Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali? Is Greg Deferro better than Lee Haney? Is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? Using your logic Trevor Berbick is the greatest of all time. Chet Yorton is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Well, he beat Arnold, so he must be better, right?
Btw, Im not arguing, because there is no argument. I believe people saying Dorian have their biases. Afterall it is subjective. However there will never be another Coleman. No one since he fell apart has been as mind blowing.
If's but's what if's - No definitive conclusive answer
Go carry on arguing with yourself it's boring me.
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Bodybuilding is serious business! :D
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Ronnie was bigger, Yates was better. You won't get any arguments from anyone who's judged both of them, Dorian made everyone look smooth from the judges table or up close or a few feet away such was his condition. It's what allowed him to continue to win as his body broke, genetically up close his conditioning was on another level. He beat all of them with one arm and a blown out waist because off it.
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Even the miracle bear is being compared to Dorian at facebook these days.
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Ronnie is right
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If's but's what if's - No definitive conclusive answer
Go carry on arguing with yourself it's boring me.
Sorry to bore you. I thought I was just answering your questions. You'll find conversations less boring when you respond to the questions that are put to you.
Illuminati, not arguing with you. And I respect your opinion., always have, apparently just not on topics not related to Dorian vs. Ronnie. It is close. Im not putting down Dorian by any means.
There never will be a conclusive answer because its a subjectively judged sport. If there is a manual that explains objective judging criteria, ive never seen it and looking at many outcomes of bodybuilding shows I don't think many judges have bothered to read it either. IF it even exists...
I have lifted since grade school, had subscriptions to M&F and Flex, had posters and pictures all over my home gym as a kid. When those pictures of Dorian came out I was like 'WTF? No way' how the fuck does one achieve that?'' It actually killed my interest in the sport for a few years because it was a look that was impossible to achieve, I couldn't fathom anyone ever being that muscular. I didn't think it was humanly possible and so I lost interest. I thought 'No one will ever beat this guy.' A few years later I picked up an issue of Flex and thumbed through it and saw Dorian, Flex Wheeler and Paul Dillet and was equally shocked. Like wtf is going on? Now these guys with impossible muscularity are coming out of the wood work. I probably didn't seriously workout with weights for a few more years which is when I picked up another magazine and saw Ronnie and again was just totally shocked. I remember Ronnie always placing last, in fact I hated his physique but now he's beating Paul and Flex and Levrone and ALL of them just looked beyond human, and Ronnie looked beyond them.
I regained interest in the sport, probably when I came across Ironage forum, which focused on the "golden era" I said 'so what? I'll obviously never be a pro bodybuilder but Ill go back to lifting/bodybuilding as a hobby because I genuinely enjoy it, and see how close I can get to a "golden era" look, 5'10", 190 to 200 lbs , hold as much muscle as my genetics alllow, try to be as lean as my genetics will allow, and just do it for the fun of it. Then I found Getbig. Then I didn't know what the hell to think!
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That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.
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Ronnie was bigger, Yates was better. You won't get any arguments from anyone who's judged both of them, Dorian made everyone look smooth from the judges table or up close or a few feet away such was his condition. It's what allowed him to continue to win as his body broke, genetically up close his conditioning was on another level. He beat all of them with one arm and a blown out waist because off it.
This whole idea that Dorian was "grainy" is just a buzzword, like when they said the quads are "feathered." What does grainy even mean? Ronnie looked grainy at times. Ronnie was ripped, shredded, striated, grainy, whatever. Add whatever word you want, a prime Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and just as ripped, shredded, striated, grainy, or whatever silly word people want to use.
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At Ronnies best condition, Yates was bigger with equal condition.
At Ronnie's biggest, Yates was big enough with better condition.
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Both had weird, Frankenstein looking bodies with little flow or symmetry between body parts.
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At Ronnies best condition, Yates was bigger with equal condition.
At Ronnie's biggest, Yates was big enough with better condition.
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I predict at minimum an over 800 page thread for this topic.
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Both had weird, Frankenstein looking bodies with little flow or symmetry between body parts.
Yates body was darn near perfect except for his biceps which were horrible. Ronnie had a huge physique. His traps were insane like a giant piece of beef on each side by far the best ever, but his abs were horrible as were his calves, no shape it’s a draw.
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Wasn’t there stories of Dorian doing some behind-the-scenes gay shit and limos or something. I think Cormier talked about that.
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Yates body was darn near perfect except for his biceps which were horrible. Ronnie had a huge physique. His traps were insane like a giant piece of beef on each side by far the best ever, but his abs were horrible as were his calves, no shape it’s a draw.
Dorian’s chest was not the best either. Probably on the smaller side.
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Great response.
93 Yates weighed more than Ronnie did in 98/99.
And Yates always could have come in 10-15lbs heavier, if he deemed it necessary.
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Great response.
93 Yates weighed more than Ronnie did in 98/99.
And Yates always could have come in 10-15lbs heavier, if he deemed it necessary.
Yeah, sure. He could've gone up 10 to 15 lbs, because he was known for holding back. He never gave it his all. He just left those 10 to 15 lbs off just because he felt like it. Right. ::) He could've raised his game. He really wanted his olympias to be controversial. Makes sense.
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Yeah, sure. He could've gone up 10 to 15 lbs, because he was known for holding back. He never gave it his all. He just left those 10 to 15 lbs off just because he felt like it. Right. ::) He could've raised his game. He really wanted his olympias to be controversial. Makes sense.
You would think someone who is arguing so confidently would actually be informed on the subject.
Of course he gave it his all, and that including overdoing it due to being obsessed with conditioning. Yates' own words were that he knows he overdid it and overdieted to hit condition, and could have come in heavier without sacrificing it. He has said this on multiple occasions. Meaning, even in his most dominant wins, he could have been better.
Regardless, he was still heavier than 98/99 Ronnie, with equal condition.
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You would think someone who is arguing so confidently would actually be informed on the subject.
Of course he gave it his all, and that including overdoing it due to being obsessed with conditioning. Yates' own words were that he knows he overdid it and overdieted to hit condition, and could have come in heavier without sacrificing it. He has said this on multiple occasions. Meaning, even in his most dominant wins, he could have been better.
Regardless, he was still heavier than 98/99 Ronnie, with equal condition.
Its funny. When someone doesn't like my response, They say Im 'arguing' as if it doesn't take two to argue.
Im aware of the facts. Whether he could've competed at a higher weight but over dieted or he couldn't hold his size to achieve the condition he wanted, the end result is the same: he didn't step on stage at that size.
Both of them had ugly, huge, muscular ripped physiques. This isn't a battle of aesthetics. And Ronnie was bigger. He was better at Dorian's own game. And if pressed Id say Ronnie had better aesthetics to boot.
Im not 'confident' I just haven't heard a compelling counter point. Im not an ifbb judge and they've never been on stage at the same time while at their respective all time best.
In my own personal opinion NO ONE beats 03 Ronnie. Its not specific to Dorian. Though Dorian comes the closest. But not Arnold, Not Sergio, Not Haney, Not Heath and no one since then either. Ronnie 03 is the GOAT. I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. Least of all some hypothetical "we'll Dorian could've came in at 285 and ripped."
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Its funny. When someone doesn't like my response, They say Im 'arguing' as if it doesn't take two to argue.
Im aware of the facts. Whether he could've competed at a higher weight but over dieted or he couldn't hold his size to achieve the condition he wanted, the end result is the same: he didn't step on stage at that size.
Both of them had ugly, huge, muscular ripped physiques. This isn't a battle of aesthetics. And Ronnie was bigger. He was better at Dorian's own game. And if pressed Id say Ronnie had better aesthetics to boot.
Im not 'confident' I just haven't heard a compelling counter point. Im not an ifbb judge and they've never been on stage at the same time while at their respective all time best.
In my own personal opinion NO ONE beats 03 Ronnie. Its not specific to Dorian. Though Dorian comes the closest. But not Arnold, Not Sergio, Not Haney, Not Heath and no one since then either. Ronnie 03 is the GOAT. I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. Least of all some hypothetical "we'll Dorian could've came in at 285 and ripped."
If your Ronnie 03 is all time best, that would change my response, and if I missed that, it's my bad.
Yates was heavier than Ronnie's 98/99, which other folks consider his best.
Ronnie's 03 was cartoonish. And he was heavier than Yates 93. I do believe he would look soft compared to Yates 93. But Ronnie was most definitely bigger, and the edge Yates had in conditioning and hardness might have been irrelevant in the eyes of the judges.
I have seen them both live competing at the Olympia. I can't say what subsequent versions of Ronnie looked like, but I can say that all the stories about Yates in person are true. He did not look real. It was ridiculous. The photo I think that shows how "3D" he was live best is one that's a MM of him from the side that's been posted here, but I can't find it.
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Dorian’s weakest pose
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If your Ronnie 03 is all time best, that would change my response, and if I missed that, it's my bad.
Yates was heavier than Ronnie's 98/99, which other folks consider his best.
Ronnie's 03 was cartoonish. And he was heavier than Yates 93. I do believe he would look soft compared to Yates 93. But Ronnie was most definitely bigger, and the edge Yates had in conditioning and hardness might have been irrelevant in the eyes of the judges.
I have seen them both live competing at the Olympia. I can't say what subsequent versions of Ronnie looked like, but I can say that all the stories about Yates in person are true. He did not look real. It was ridiculous. The photo I think that shows how "3D" he was live best is one that's a MM of him from the side that's been posted here, but I can't find it.
Fair enough.
03 is what I consider to be Ronnie's best. Others say 98/99 which I don't agree with. Especially 99 with obvious gyno. Like you said 03 is cartoonish. Outlandish. I don't think any other bodybuilder will ever compare to that.
Even the guys today, who are supposedly bigger (they all exaggerate their weight) don't have that look. Clownish maybe.
I never saw Doz in person but the difference between photos and video illustrates your point well. I can only imagine seeing him in person during his prime emphasizes your point even moreso.
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When Ronnie was ON he was from another planet. his biceps had biceps lol
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The only BB who could ever beat a prime Ronnie was Phil Heath.
(https://fitnessvolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Ronnie-Coleman-posing-750x750.jpg)
That photo is sick! Morphed? Looks unreal.
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Dorian’s weakest pose
Sick legs!
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This whole idea that Dorian was "grainy" is just a buzzword, like when they said the quads are "feathered." What does grainy even mean? Ronnie looked grainy at times. Ronnie was ripped, shredded, striated, grainy, whatever. Add whatever word you want, a prime Ronnie was bigger than Dorian and just as ripped, shredded, striated, grainy, or whatever silly word people want to use.
Dorian looked like rock. It's all about the skin texture, details, lines and cuts. He had extremely deep cuts in his legs from the side. His calves looked massive from all angles. With deep lines.
Ronnie also had details and lines, but he did not have the same carved out of stone look that Dorian possessed.
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Yeah, sure. He could've gone up 10 to 15 lbs, because he was known for holding back. He never gave it his all. He just left those 10 to 15 lbs off just because he felt like it. Right. ::) He could've raised his game. He really wanted his olympias to be controversial. Makes sense.
It’s not really about that. When these guys peak for a show, they have to make the best call they can in real time. At that level, one wrong meal or drink can throw everything off. It’s easy to say in hindsight that he over-dieted, but they can’t just fast-forward or rewind their prep like a movie. They have to nail their peak for prejudging and the finals.
Yes, Dorian probably over-dieted and could have come in heavier — but it didn’t matter. No one on stage was anywhere near the size of prime Ronnie. Even slightly over-dieted, Dorian’s size still dominated the lineup.
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Its funny. When someone doesn't like my response, They say Im 'arguing' as if it doesn't take two to argue.
Im aware of the facts. Whether he could've competed at a higher weight but over dieted or he couldn't hold his size to achieve the condition he wanted, the end result is the same: he didn't step on stage at that size.
Both of them had ugly, huge, muscular ripped physiques. This isn't a battle of aesthetics. And Ronnie was bigger. He was better at Dorian's own game. And if pressed Id say Ronnie had better aesthetics to boot.
Im not 'confident' I just haven't heard a compelling counter point. Im not an ifbb judge and they've never been on stage at the same time while at their respective all time best.
In my own personal opinion NO ONE beats 03 Ronnie. Its not specific to Dorian. Though Dorian comes the closest. But not Arnold, Not Sergio, Not Haney, Not Heath and no one since then either. Ronnie 03 is the GOAT. I haven't seen anything to make me change my mind. Least of all some hypothetical "we'll Dorian could've came in at 285 and ripped."
Ronnie's 99 was better than 03. He was huge in 03, but sacrificed detail and shape. 03 was not his best appearance.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSqCTQHuL4aCZAw8SCpibKyRlVP09zHMKFr4Q&s)
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Both had weird, Frankenstein looking bodies with little flow or symmetry between body parts.
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(https://thebarbell.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Ronnie-Coleman-injury-2-847x1024.jpg)