Author Topic: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian  (Read 3278 times)

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2025, 07:47:47 PM »
96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.


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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2025, 07:50:24 PM »
I also don't see Yates beating Ronnie at the 2001 ASC.

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2025, 07:51:22 PM »
I also don't see Yates beating Ronnie at the 2001 ASC.

Thats because he didn't compete  🤣👊🏻

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2025, 07:59:09 PM »
Thats because he didn't compete  🤣👊🏻

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2025, 08:12:30 PM »
I mean I guess you can say Dorian never beat Lee Haney also ?

As far as Ronnie goes his best with conditioning to match was in 1998 and 1999, maybe 2001 AC too

2003 and 04, he was massive and i saw him prep those two Olympias at metro flex ,  but his conditioning wasn’t his best

In the real world right now, Dorian wins , he can walk , run, looks relatively healthy while Ronnie a long with flex wheeler are knocking on deaths door. One doesn’t have a leg to stand on, the other needs a wheel chair to move along and both in and out of the hospital for medical procedures

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2025, 08:14:15 PM »
I mean I guess you can say Dorian never beat Lee Haney also ?

As far as Ronnie goes his best with conditioning to match was in 1998 and 1999, maybe 2001 AC too

2003 and 04, he was massive and i saw him prep those two Olympias at metro flex ,  but his conditioning wasn’t his best

In the real world right now, Dorian wins , he can walk , run, looks relatively healthy while Ronnie a long with flex wheeler are knocking on deaths door. One doesn’t have a leg to stand on, the other needs a wheel chair to move along and both in and out of the hospital for medical procedures

Dorian outcocks Ronnie as well. 

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2025, 09:31:08 PM »
Ronnie destroyed everyone, Dorian will always be my all time favorite bodybuilder but Ronnie may be the GOAT

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2025, 09:33:40 PM »
96 German Grand Prix Dorian might be the best physique ever presented on any bodybuilding stage ever.




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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2025, 09:44:31 PM »
^That's incredible

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2025, 09:46:15 PM »

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #60 on: September 09, 2025, 09:52:00 PM »
Ronnie destroyed everyone, Dorian will always be my all time favorite bodybuilder but Ronnie may be the GOAT
Agreed.

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #61 on: September 09, 2025, 10:05:29 PM »


Was never really a Dorian fan but his size and conditioning was hard to match! Starting to see how he beat all those guys he competed with now. They were too small to stand next to Dorian or didn’t have the conditioning to match , he had both

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #62 on: September 09, 2025, 10:06:11 PM »
Dorian outcocks Ronnie as well.

And it still works without having a wheel chair either  ;D

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #63 on: September 09, 2025, 10:31:10 PM »
And it still works without having a wheel chair either  ;D

And Dorian obviously knows how to pull out still. 

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #64 on: September 09, 2025, 11:26:58 PM »

You completely missed the part where I asked if Dorian would've raised his game
Has he needed to against Ronnie.


As you said the black & white pics of Dorian he himself said he over dieted to come
In grainy & ripped.
He could've competed in that condition & won weighing 285+lbs
Ronnie never looked as good at a similar weight.
His best look was 98/99 slightly taller & not as dry grainy as Dorian
Both around 260lbs.

Either way It's pointless arguing - Dorian beat Ronnie when they competed
What would've happened going forwards barring injuries we don't know.

On physiques we've seen in pics / Video's/ in person - Dorian wins.

You completely missed the part where I answered.

"No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart."

What makes you think Dorian could've "raised his game"? What? You think he was holding back? Preparing for Nasser ended his career. If Dorian competed in 98, you think he could've won again? Let alone beat Ronnie?



Dorian didn't compete at 285...ever. You choosing Colemans 1st Olympia as his best look is convenient for your choice. Saying "both around 260..." well no.  No, dorians best was 260, Ron's was 290. So, no. You're bending facts to suit your answer. Not bending your answer to fit the facts: Ronnie had 35 more pounds of solid muscle. 2 more Olympia wins, none of which were as controversial or absurd as Dorian-s 97 gift or his 94 "win",10 more pro victories.

Now, You missed the part where I asked you if Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali? Is Greg Deferro better than Lee Haney? Is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? Using your logic Trevor Berbick is the greatest of all time. Chet Yorton is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Well, he beat Arnold, so he must be better, right?

Btw, Im not arguing, because there is no argument. I believe  people saying Dorian have their biases. Afterall it is subjective. However there will never be another Coleman. No one since he fell apart has been as mind blowing.

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #65 on: September 09, 2025, 11:32:44 PM »
The only BB who could ever beat a prime Ronnie was Phil Heath.


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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2025, 11:50:23 PM »
The only BB who could ever beat a prime Ronnie was Phil Heath.



That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.
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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2025, 11:55:23 PM »
That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.

For once I am in total agreement with you.

Btw, why do you have a picture of a wax dummy cadaver for your icon?

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #68 on: September 10, 2025, 12:20:16 AM »
You completely missed the part where I answered.

"No. Ronnie got better and better during Dorians reign and continued to improve after Dorian fell apart."

What makes you think Dorian could've "raised his game"? What? You think he was holding back? Preparing for Nasser ended his career. If Dorian competed in 98, you think he could've won again? Let alone beat Ronnie?



Dorian didn't compete at 285...ever. You choosing Colemans 1st Olympia as his best look is convenient for your choice. Saying "both around 260..." well no.  No, dorians best was 260, Ron's was 290. So, no. You're bending facts to suit your answer. Not bending your answer to fit the facts: Ronnie had 35 more pounds of solid muscle. 2 more Olympia wins, none of which were as controversial or absurd as Dorian-s 97 gift or his 94 "win",10 more pro victories.

Now, You missed the part where I asked you if Trevor Berbick is better than Muhammad Ali? Is Greg Deferro better than Lee Haney? Is Chet Yorton better than Arnold? Using your logic Trevor Berbick is the greatest of all time. Chet Yorton is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. Well, he beat Arnold, so he must be better, right?

Btw, Im not arguing, because there is no argument. I believe  people saying Dorian have their biases. Afterall it is subjective. However there will never be another Coleman. No one since he fell apart has been as mind blowing.


If's but's what if's - No definitive conclusive answer


Go carry on arguing with yourself it's boring me.


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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #69 on: September 10, 2025, 01:31:21 AM »
Bodybuilding is serious business!  :D

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #70 on: September 10, 2025, 01:49:20 AM »
Ronnie was bigger, Yates was better. You won't get any arguments from anyone who's judged both of them, Dorian made everyone look smooth from the judges table or up close or a few feet away such was his condition. It's what allowed him to continue to win as his body broke, genetically up close his conditioning was on another level. He beat all of them with one arm and a blown out waist because off it.   

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #71 on: September 10, 2025, 06:16:09 AM »
Even the miracle bear is being compared to Dorian at facebook these days.

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #72 on: September 10, 2025, 06:30:59 AM »
Ronnie is right
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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #73 on: September 10, 2025, 07:12:20 AM »

If's but's what if's - No definitive conclusive answer


Go carry on arguing with yourself it's boring me.

Sorry to bore you. I thought I was just answering your questions. You'll find conversations less boring when you respond to the questions that are put to you.

Illuminati,  not arguing with you.  And I respect your opinion., always have, apparently just not on topics not related to Dorian vs. Ronnie. It is close. Im not putting down Dorian by any means.

There never will be a conclusive answer because its a subjectively judged sport. If there is a manual that explains objective judging criteria,  ive never seen it and looking at  many outcomes of bodybuilding shows I don't think many judges have bothered to read it either. IF it even exists...

I have lifted since grade school, had subscriptions to M&F and Flex, had posters and pictures all over my home gym as a kid. When those pictures of Dorian came out I was like 'WTF? No way'  how the fuck does one achieve that?'' It actually killed my interest in the sport for a few years because it was a look that was impossible to achieve,  I couldn't fathom anyone ever being that muscular. I didn't think it was humanly possible and so I lost interest. I thought 'No one will ever beat this guy.' A few years later I picked up an issue of Flex and thumbed through it and saw Dorian, Flex Wheeler and Paul Dillet and was equally shocked. Like wtf is going on? Now these guys with impossible muscularity are coming out of the wood work. I probably didn't seriously workout with weights for a few more years which is when I picked up another magazine and saw Ronnie and again was just totally shocked. I remember Ronnie always placing last, in fact I hated his physique but now he's beating Paul and Flex and Levrone and ALL of them just looked beyond human, and Ronnie looked beyond them.

I regained interest in the sport, probably when I came across Ironage forum, which focused on the "golden era" I said 'so what? I'll obviously never be a pro bodybuilder but Ill go back to lifting/bodybuilding as a hobby because I genuinely enjoy it, and see how close I can get to a "golden era" look, 5'10", 190 to 200 lbs , hold as much muscle as my genetics alllow, try to be as lean as my genetics will allow, and just do it for the fun of it. Then I found Getbig. Then I didn't know what the hell to think!

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Re: Ronnie says he was better than Dorian
« Reply #74 on: September 10, 2025, 07:41:17 AM »
That is why Ronnie is the GOAT. Dorian could never match the size and conditioning that Ronnie had. No one has matched it.

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