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Title: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: JimmyTheFish on May 12, 2006, 06:26:25 PM
His name came up on the Supp board and thought I would dedicate a post so those who knew or had the pleasure of meeting him could speak about him and never forget this guy, was really coool and way too young to pass.

RIP Bro!

Trevor Smith Dead At 33 - The owner of Nuclear Nutrition passed away March 6th, sources say he died due to a brain aneurism.

Trevor Smith first got insipred to start bodybuilding when he saw the movie "Pumping Iron" and by age 33 he stood 6 foot 1 inch and weighed about 412 lbs. And he was also a 4 th degree black belt! Although you might think that he was arrogant and mean. Truth be told, he was actually a very quiet, soft spoken, a bit introverted and a humble person.

He developed the the super high intensity Beyond Failure Training System which he credited for his huge size and founded Nuclear Nutrition in 1999 with the purpose filling the true needs of bodybuilders and athletes.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmithd.htm (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmithd.htm)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: JimmyTheFish on May 12, 2006, 06:27:46 PM
Guess a pic would help.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Ex Coelis on May 12, 2006, 06:34:07 PM
412 seems doubtful - I find it hard to believe a man of that weight would look this small compared to Ronnie

(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=63594.msg955430;topicseen#msg955430

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: 240 is Back on May 12, 2006, 06:37:21 PM
412 seems doubtful - I find it hard to believe a man of that weight would look this small compared to Ronnie

(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=63594.msg955430;topicseen#msg955430



Trevor would only wear longsleeve shirts too.  He was probably 320-340s with 20-25% BF.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: tommywishbone on May 12, 2006, 07:23:15 PM
Massive massive dude. Massive.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MitsuFan on January 04, 2011, 06:28:53 PM
Trevor would only wear longsleeve shirts too.  He was probably 320-340s with 20-25% BF.

It's because of people like this that he he was going through tough times shit talkers.  He was in fact over 400 pounds just look at this pic and no he was around 15% bf although his weight did fluctuate.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58901&d=1181768004

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: BIG DUB on January 04, 2011, 06:32:41 PM
Gear UZR was a great read as well as his site nuclear nutrition. I was surprise at how fragile he was mentally especially since he was disciplied in the martial arts and wrote so much about training the mind as opposed to the body. RIP.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Alexander D on January 04, 2011, 06:33:05 PM
What was the cause of death?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Bam-bam on January 04, 2011, 06:35:37 PM
(http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58901&d=1181768004)

sad, looks like a pic tito23 would post
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: pellius on January 04, 2011, 06:37:10 PM
I thought Trevor was a very genuine individual with a good heart. And people tried to take advantage of that. I would sometimes frequent his board and he was always so generous with his time and knowledge and adhere to a lot of his "Beyond Failure" training principles. He was a very sensitive individual and though I don't have first hand knowledge of this, his "fitness model" wife didn't help and many claim she play a part in his undoing. I think gh15 is right to stay away from women in the industry and cult. Even if they seem normal and down to earth, as time goes on they're nothing but trouble. I believe Trevor Smith to be a good man. A rarity in the business.

PIP Trevor Smith.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: benchmstr on January 04, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
It's because of people like this that he he was going through tough times shit talkers.  He was in fact over 400 pounds just look at this pic and no he was around 15% bf although his weight did fluctuate.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58901&d=1181768004


bwahahaha 15%?....look at the arms....negative on 15%

bench
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: 240 is Back on January 04, 2011, 06:38:53 PM
It's because of people like this that he he was going through tough times shit talkers.

Actually, I was always a big Trevor fan.  From back in the misc.fitness.weights days.

I always thought he kept arms covered as a way to really keep the anticipaiton for when he finally competed.  Instead of being one of those guys that flexed for any camera or gawker, I seen him as the biggest guy in the room, keeping it all a mystery until he competed one day.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: The Grim Lifter on January 04, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
Talked as if he was a pro because he was 412 pounds. Remember 1 interview he did where he was saying how the American Pro's were so much better than the English but basically putting himself at the same level as the best of the best.

Nice enough guy, probably had a big heart but a little delusional. Despite what gh15 says, weighing a shitload and taking heaps of drugs ain't the best for u
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MitsuFan on January 04, 2011, 06:52:02 PM
What was the cause of death?

Heart attack or brain aneurysm.

I hope the mods don't mind that I bumped this.

More pics and articles here if you guys wanna check it out.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39691

Anyways some guy called Chris said that the BFT video was eventually coming out.  Any updates on that?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Master Blaster on January 04, 2011, 06:55:21 PM
Looks like he finally went beyond failure   :-\
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: benchmstr on January 04, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
not trying to disrespect the man....but 412lbs?...he had to know how unhealthy that was...and the amount of daily intake that has to occur to keep that weight...i am not even talking AAS, and growth...just food alone..

a lot of these guys think that just because they lift, live in the gym, and stay relatively lean that they are healthy....but in the end...it just isn't healthy to ever weigh that much...

bench
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Master Blaster on January 04, 2011, 06:59:41 PM
not trying to disrespect the man....but 412lbs?...he had to know how unhealthy that was...and the amount of daily intake that has to occur to keep that weight...i am not even talking AAS, and growth...just food alone..

a lot of these guys think that just because they lift, live in the gym, and stay relatively lean that they are healthy....but in the end...it just isn't healthy to ever weigh that much...

bench

x2

It's actually healthier to be at 35-40% bodyfat at 400 pounds than 15% bodyfat.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: el numero uno on January 04, 2011, 07:02:36 PM
What's the point in be 412lbs if you bf% is > than 30%.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: benchmstr on January 04, 2011, 07:03:16 PM
x2

It's actually healthier to be at 35-40% bodyfat at 400 pounds than 15% bodyfat.
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!

so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..

bench
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: el numero uno on January 04, 2011, 07:04:33 PM
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!

so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..

bench

What's your height?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MitsuFan on January 04, 2011, 07:04:49 PM
x2

It's actually healthier to be at 35-40% bodyfat at 400 pounds than 15% bodyfat.

Is it because at that weight it puts a lot of stress on the heart and lungs (muscle needs more oxygen, etc.).  I also read that he used to sweat excessively even while standing still in an air conditioned room ...... crazy
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: benchmstr on January 04, 2011, 07:09:16 PM
What's your height?
5'10"....remember i said relatively lean...not ripped.....i had a 3 1/2 pack ;D

bench
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 04, 2011, 07:12:10 PM
i can EASILY see dieing at a young age a possibility EVEN for a natural bodybuilder who consistently eats ALOT of fatty and sugar foods over the years

and you dont even have to look much fat to be highly clogged up internally :(
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: el numero uno on January 04, 2011, 07:12:20 PM
5'10"....remember i said relatively lean...not ripped.....i had a 3 1/2 pack ;D

bench
:o  all the way a big dude
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 04, 2011, 07:27:47 PM
Heart attack or brain aneurysm.

I hope the mods don't mind that I bumped this.

More pics and articles here if you guys wanna check it out.

http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39691

Anyways some guy called Chris said that the BFT video was eventually coming out.  Any updates on that?


The BFT video was finished and its was completed before he died.  However his wife refused to release or sell the video along with selling the remaining inventory of Nuclear Nutrition product which is problably still in that warehouse literally. 

Paul Becker outbid me for the domain name when it expired in 2007 and redirected it to his site Truly Huge.


That's about it.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 04, 2011, 07:39:01 PM
The trevor smith videos will be released as a 3 video package with the first set going for well over 10,000  $ us a sly marketing maneuver. Thats what i heard could be even more

his wife then plans to mass produce the video some 5-6 months later selling at regular price or a suggested 100 dollars per dvd
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Lion666 on January 04, 2011, 09:13:37 PM
heres some articles,,, postd these befor in nothr thread,,, thought it was an interesting read,espec the site oil for entertainment purposes,,, traing bft and zmr is brutal works good too and i nvr liked hit or pre exhst but the bft seems to work well,only for about 6wks tho thn body joints get tired... surprisingly you dont start out strong of course but u end up lifting as much on bench/compound mov after killiing it on iso drop sets as mch as whn u do the compounds fresh and it takes  a while to get ur strength bak on the compounds first style training,,, anywayz here they is , copied and pasted from various sites ,,, there may b som dbls,,, i have few pages mor if anyone interested -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Beyond Failure Training (BFT) a.k.a. Demon Training
Beyond Failure Training

It seems every day someone comes along with a new and improved system of weight training scientifically designed to stimulate the muscle fibers unlike any other program ever could. I am so amazed that people are that stupid as to buy into this bullshit. The magazines don't help matters either. One month you read a fake training article on how your bodybuilding hero built his biceps (hopefully you realize all these articles are ghostwritten) the next month you get another routine from another pro that is even better. Those of you who save your magazines need only go back and glance at the last few years of your collection to realize that it is all the same **** with minor changes. Let's face it, a truly informative magazine that had unique articles each month would be about 25 pages max, so the editors feel compelled to go for quantity instead of quality.

To me, when it comes to reading an article that is talking about a new system of training or nutrition or steroid use, a general rule of thumb to follow is that if the article is layered with a lot of big, scientific terminology, then crumple it up and save it for the next time you run out of toilet paper. A good writer or teacher has the ability to speak to all facets of society at the same time and a really good writer has the ability to use very simple terms and examples to explain highly technical concepts and theories. A bullshit artist, on the other hand, likes to use these big words in an effort to confuse and baffle as many people as possible because people tend to give credibility to people who use big words.

Let's give a quick example: Upon grasping the cylindrical carbohydrate, fat and protein source, the organism used it?s copious muscles of mastication along with sufficient temporal mandibular locomotion to activate the digestive enzymes and begin the process of nutrient absorption which was to take place in the mucus lined acid pouch within the bowels of the creature.
That's a bullshitter's way of saying the following: "The guy picked up a cheeseburger and took a big bite, chewed it up and swallowed it".

Keeping this in mind, I would like to explain a little bit about the way I train and how it might benefit you in your gym efforts. I call it beyond failure training, because the general rule of thumb is that when the body fails, the set just begins, and it is this philosophy that will cut through all the bull**** of slow twitch, fast twitch, rep speed, training for size, training for strength nonsense that people like to write about.

First and foremost it is imperative to understand that the body is capable of a lot more than we tend to give it credit for. Somewhere along the line in the past few years people have been screaming OVERTRAINING to the point of making me want to vomit. Mike Mentzer's original heavy duty theories were rather unique and quite sound, but since the release of Heavy Duty 2, the theories have been in outer ****ing space. Training a bodypart once every 14 days!!? Give me a break. The body is capable of handling huge amounts of stress and it is true that it needs adequate time to recover, but 14 days is a bit extreme.

Past failure training is very simple and very self-explanatory and few people will ever do it because it hurts just too damn much. Sooner or later one of the four demons comes along and claims another victim who attempts to travel down the path of Past Failure training. It is not fun, it is uncomfortable, it causes pre-workout anxiety and fear, AND IT PRODUCES MASSIVE RESULTS. The number one element that must be present in past failure training is 1000% Maximal Effort. No being a *****, no laughing and conversing during or between the sets. It's **** or walk time! The other thing that is a necessity is a training partner and a one that knows how to spot CORRECTLY (sometimes I think I should offer a ****ing seminar on how to be a good spotter because every time I ask for one at the gym I invariably get a ****ing moron.)

Past Failure training demands that when you are doing a set, as you begin to go to failure, where you cannot complete a full range of motion on your own and you are at momentary failure, your training partner assists you in completing an addition number of repetitions with the same weight (say 6-8) before you are allowed to stop. At this point you are in total agony and are pumped beyond belief and whimpering like a little girl who lost her dolly, yet it is not over yet! Your partner immediately drops the weight down around 40% and you continue with the set until you cannot get any more reps. Your partner again assists you to get and additional number of reps until you are fried. Then once again your partner drops the weight so you can continue your journey into no-mans land and once you begin to fail he again assists you in getting additional reps. Then and only then is your set complete. You are in tremendous pain, you are nauseous and dizzy and you want to go home. You feel like you cannot go on, and this is only after 60 seconds of work, yet the workout has just begun....
Next time we will delve deeper into this level of intensity and training and give examples of how one would train each bodypart using this style of training.
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Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Lion666 on January 04, 2011, 09:14:26 PM
cont

Beyond Failure Training Part 2

By Trevor L. Smith
O.k. let's get right into it and pick up where we last left off. Remember this is a rather different way of training and even for people that are used to training in an intense manner it will be a shock to the system as there is intensity and then there is I N T E N S I T Y
Now some of the basic rules of thumb with this style of training are:

1.You will tend to need an hour or so to recover from the workout so that you can perform daily functions.
2.You cannot train in this manner for more than 6 weeks if you are doing it properly
3.You can only train once a day for a maximum of 4 times per week.
4.You can only spend a maximum of 45 minutes in the gym per session
5. It is EXTREMELY painful and you will tend to have anxiety before your workouts
6. You must keep all other physical activities to a bare minimum during your 6-week training cycle to insure maximum recovery and energy available for the workouts

t is important that you adhere to these basic rules as they will go a long way to insure that you stay on the path and do not monkey wrench all of your hard efforts in the gym. O.K. now that we have the basic principles of Beyond Failure training, let?s take a look at what a typical leg workout might look like Starting on the leg extension machine and after warming up thoroughly, select a weight that will allow you to get 10-12 clean reps on your own before you would typically fail and end the set.

Begin performing the extensions in a steady manner (1 second up and 1 second down is a good example). Once you start to go to failure, your partner will assist you in completing an additional 8 repetitions past your failure point. At this point it feels like someone is blowtorching your quads. Your partner immediately lowers the weight by around 30-40% and you continue performing repetitions until you once again achieve failure by yourself. Again your partner assists you in completing and additional 6-8 reps and then immediately lowers the stack by an additional 30-40% and you continue performing repetitions until failure at which time you partner once again assists in you completing an additional 8 reps.

FINALLY, the set it over. You may tend to feel nausea and will definitely have trouble standing, but even more trouble sitting as this is doubly as painful. The first set is always the easy part because you have nothing to compare it to and you will find your anxiety levels building when you are about to start your second set of leg extensions. Repeat the exact same procedure as the first set. At the completion of the second set of Beyond Failure leg extensions you will more than likely be ready to call it a day after a total of 10-15 minutes of gym time, BUT it is not over yet.

Next choose a pressing movement for the legs such as squats, leg presses or hack squats. Load up the bar with enough weight that will insure you get 8-10 reps. Have your partner VERY close by to insure a safe spot and perform your set. As you get to failure have your partner assist in you getting only a few reps beyond failure?.say 5 or 6 and call it a day. That is it for the quads. Next it is on to hamstrings which I can guarantee you have no desire to work.

You will only perform 2 sets of leg curls and you will follow the same principles as you did during the leg extensions. However, you have to pay attention to your body and it is quite possible that after one set of leg curls you will be totally fried and have nothing left. This is because the quads are SO pumped and engorged that it is very painful to perform a curling motion with the legs. At this point crawl your ass out of the gym and try not to puke, but if you have to?.let it fly. That?s all she wrote for your leg workout. If you have anything left, you did not train properly. I can guarantee after following these principles your bottle will jump to new levels of growth. Remember if you are going to be in the Venice area and need clarification on these training principles I am occasionally available to put people through my style of training so they can go home with the proper intensity and techniques. Next time we shall take a look at Chest and Calves.
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 Beyond Failure training Part 3

O.K. Let's hop right into a Beyond Failure Workout (a.k.a. Demon Training) for the chest and the calves
Now it is important that you first understand the problems that can occur while training certain muscle groups. In this case wewill be talking about the pecs so let's get right to it. How many times have you noticed that people rarely have both great arms and shoulders AND a superb chest? Conversely, how many times have you noticed someone with a great chest that had great shoulders and arms? There are lots of pros out there that come to mind with this strange phenomenon. Dorian and Lee Haney both had superb upper torsos( back and chest) but left a little tobedesired in the arms and even the shoulders department to some extent. Gary Strydom had a great pair of delts and a greatset of pecs, but sub-par arms. Guys like Dennis Newman have very poor pecs and over-powering delts. Now genetics play a large part in this to a certain extent, but the thing I have discovered about BEYOND FAILURE TRAINING (Demon Training) is that is cuts through all the genetic predisposition?s because it completely annihilates the muscle group worked and does not allow for any one group to over compensate for the other.

If you have over powering shoulders, they are going to do the bulk of the work every time you do a pressing movement for chest. Likewise if you have great triceps, they will get most of the work. The problem is when they give out during a set, you can no longer continue to give the stimulation necessary for the pecs to grow. This is where Arthur Jones comes in. One of the things Arthur was a big believer in was pre-exhaustion and it is also used extensively with Beyond Failure Training. We shall then start our workout with a set of machine flys. Personally I find the Flex pec dec machine to be the best, but whatever is available will be fine. Now I do not recommend using dumbbell flys with this, as your wrist, elbow and shoulder JOINTS will tend to give out before the muscle is thoroughly trashed.

Following the same principles as the leg workout, we start with a pre-exhausting set on the pec-dec machine with a partner right there to offer assistance. Now use a weight that allows 10-12 reps and once you hit that point and cannot complete another rep (in other words when you have hit failure) the set is only beginning and it is time to go BEYOND failure. Just like with legs have your partner or spotter assist you to get 8 more reps. Once the screaming has stopped, you will drop the weight by 30-40% and continue with the set(get as many as you can on your own;usually no more than 3-5 reps) then your partner will again assist you to get between 6-8 reps. Then, even though you are numb, drop the weight another 30-40% and continue with the set having your partner assist you to go beyond failure once you
can no longer get a full rep on your own. Then you are finished. After you are done crying, rest a few minutes and complete another set in the same manner.

Then you move on to a pressing movement..oh, let's say incline barbell presses. (Now, I like to use the Smith machine because it is a lot easier to work with when doing this type of training.) We are going to do one hellacious set of incline presses in the same manner as above; when failure is achieved, the set just begins and your spotter will help you go past the pain barrier and into the torture zone. Now your chest should feel like you just had a set of 44-DDD implants put in. In other words, they should be hurting and pumped beyond belief. That is it, you are done with chest and it is time to move on to calves, another muscle group that people don't train properly, mostly because they are afraid to feel the pain.

Now the thing you have to remember about calves is that they are incredibly strong muscles. Think about it, if you weigh 250 pounds or even 300lbs, the calf muscles have to be able to support that entire weight by themselves. In fact each individual calf muscle must be able to support that weight and does in fact do so with great ease. Now once you start running or jumping, the force that is exhibited on the calves is many times greater than just your body-weight and still they manage to do their job. If you doubt this, just ask yourselves how many fat, obese people you have seen with awesome calves? My guess would be many. In fact, the biggest and best calves I have ever seen were on a ****ing massively obese guy who was in line in front of me at the grocery store. The reason for that is because the calf muscles on that whale HAD to respond to his massive weight and grow, otherwise he would not be able to walk. He
was putting them through a vicious workout each time he stepped towards the refrigerator to get another box of fudge-sticks.

Now if you want to have great calves you have to subject them to the same type of torture and doing 3 sets of 10 on the donkey calf machine ain't gonna cut it. You have to destroy them with beyond failure training. So let's move on to 2 sets of say seated calf raises. Load the machine up with enough weight were you will fail on say the 10th or 12th reps; then you will have your partner repeat the same procedure as with legs and chest. Go Beyond Failure and then drop the weight and go Beyond Failure again, THEN when you have had enough pain, drop the weight and GO BEYOND FAILURE AGAIN.

I call this DEMON TRAINING, because during the course of each session you will invariably be faced with each of the FOUR DEMONS. It is up to you whether you face them with courage, or use the ***** crutch of "Over-training" or some other excuse to convince yourself not to push so hard and enter into the torture
zone with each training session. If you are one of those types, go type in the address of anyone of the dozens of other bodybuilding sites as 99.9% of them all suck and are for ***** wannabes..
Next time we look at shoulders and triceps..
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By Trevor L. Smith
Now that the chest and calves have been thoroughly trashed we have to realize that the complimentary muscle groups-(delts and tris) have also received a good amount of work. For this reason, it is important to finish them off within 24 hours of chest so that you get optimum recovery time for the muscle groups. The logic is quite simple. If you spread out chest shoulders and delts throughout the week you wind up screwing yourself in terms of recovery time and they quickly become over-trained.

Every time you work chest, you are hitting delts and tris and vice versa, so in a perfect world you would hit everything together on the same day, but it is just not physically possible with Beyond Failure training and if you are one of these idiots that thinks you are tougher than everyone else and can do it, go right ahead and enjoy your have ass shoulder and triceps workout, because if you REALLY hit chest properly, you won't be able to lift your arms let alone do any specific work for shoulders and triceps. Now on to the training:

Following the same principles as above we want to completely trash the deltoids so that when we go to a pressing movement, the triceps don't give out first and leave us with understimulated shoulders. To accomplish this we will do single arm cable or machine laterals. Again, you will pick a weight that will allow you to fail on your own at rep 8 or 10. At this point your trusty partner assist you through an additional 8 reps by grabbing by your wrist and going through the movement with you. At this point we again drop the weight and continue the same cycle and when your post failure 8 reps are done you do yet another drop and repeat the cycle. Do 2 sets in this fashion. Then move over to front presses on the smith machine.

Your delts should be thoroughly hammered so I only suggest one set here. Again follow the same principles as above. Hit 8 reps on your own and have your partner assist you to get more (I cannot be specific with the rep range here because it is difficult to spot on this exercise if the weight is heavy. It would be great to have 2 people spot you here because they could each get one side of the machine and assist for an additional 8 reps and then strip the weight for you...but that is often a difficult task...I have a hard time getting one person to spot me correctly. One of these days I am going to find a reliable training partner that isn't a *****, but that day has yet to come.)

At any rate, after the 8 reps past failure are complete, strip and continue to failure, then 6-8 more..then strip again, continue to failure and then 8 more and you should be dead. That's it for shoulders. The triceps are next and here I suggest no more than 2 sets of a machine exercise (for ease in spotting) in the same fashion as above; once failure is hit, you get assistance for 8 more beyond failure, then drop the weight, repeat, then drop the weight again and repeat.

At this point your delts and tris are done. GO HOME. Now before you even ask, NO you don't have to hit rear delts, because you already did. Beyond Failure training causes the ENTIRE muscle group that is being worked (and a lot of others as well) to be brought into the mix and thoroughly destroyed. No more specific muscle group targeting. If you really and truly hit the entire muscle group as hard as humanly possible, to the point of nausea and collapse, every part of that muscle will be worked....trust me.

The body likes to work as a unit and that goes for each muscle group as well. Pointing your toes inward or outward on leg extensions is ****ing nonsense. Once you go into the no-mans land of Beyond Failure Training every fiber in your leg is screaming in agony and working equally as hard to fight through the torture it is receiving. Do you really thing that the teardrops will only be working if your toes are pointed out? Please, once failure starts on the teardrops the outer quads pick up the slack because they are FORCED to, no matter where your toes are pointing. Keep it simple: Pick an exercise, take it to a level of complete, absolute and beyond failure and I guarantee it will be completely stimulated!

Next time we finish the body with back and bis and talk about potential problems that may be encountered with Beyond Failure Training.
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Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Lion666 on January 04, 2011, 09:15:50 PM
cont, mor if anybdy likes....

Beyond Failure Training Part 5...The Conclusion

O.K. now it is time to blast the back and biceps. It is imperative that these two muscle groups are worked together because they are intrinsically linked to each other in their function. Any time you are doing any pulling or rowing movement for the back you ALWAYS incorporate the biceps. The reason is quite obvious since you need to use your arms to pull and the biceps is what allow the arm to pull. I get a lot of complaints from people with stubborn biceps and as soon as I take a look at their training, the answer jumps right out at me. Incorrect training sequence, and insufficient intensity. They will work their biceps on separate days from their back training and inadvertently wind up overtraining them because of lack of adequate recovery.
Conversely I get a lot of complaints from people who cannot stimulate their back and when you see the size of their biceps you immediately find the answer. Huge biceps will often take on the burden of the workload when training back and since they are a lot smaller muscle group?.they will give out and reach failure way before the back does. This results in overstimulation of the biceps and understimulation of the back. Both of these problems are solved with beyond failure training.
Starting off with the larger muscle group (the back) we will need to find a way to sufficiently trash and pre-exhaust the back so that when we go to a rowing and pulling movement the back will fail at the same time as the biceps. Now the only way we can achieve pre-exhaustion of the back without including the biceps would be with a pullover machine (or dumbbell pullovers?but the machine is better)
So sitting in the pullover machine with a reverse grip (palms facing up so as to take the triceps out of the movement) we will keep out head and chest pointing up towards the ceiling at all times to totally isolate the back. As with the other bodyparts, we will select a weight that allows us to hit failure at the 8-10 rep mark. At this point your partner will assist you in getting 8 more beyond failure reps. Then the weight is dropped and you continue the set without rest. Once you hit failure---which will be in 3-5 reps?your partner assists for 6 more beyond failure reps. Again the weight is drop and the set is continued and once you hit failure your partner pushes you to get 8 more reps beyond failure. Do this for 2 sets
Next you want to go to a rowing movement. Single arm dumbbell rows or barbell rows are good. Select a weight that will allow you to get 8-10 strict perfect reps. Only do one set here. These are what I call high breather exercises and I find that it is counterproductive to do drop sets and forced reps with these exercises because you wind up sucking wind way before you actually stimulate the muscle.
Next go to a machine movement for the back?some sort of pull down movement. I like some of the hammer machines, but it doesn?t matter. Again we will do 2 sets in the beyond failure style.
That is it for back. Now we move on to biceps, which are, pretty much fried from the back workout. Because of this we will only need 2 sets in beyond failure style to completely destroy them. Machine curls work best here so select a weight where you can get 8-10 and perform the set in beyond failure style with the drop sets and forced reps as you did for back.
At this point your back should be engorged, tight and pumped and you should have difficulty straightening your arms. A job well done. Go home and rest and enjoy your well-earned 2 days off.
So to review, the sequence would look like this
Day 1: Chest and Calves
Day 2: Shoulders and Tris
Day 3: Off
Day 4: Back and Bis
Day 5: Legs
Day 6: Off
Day 7: Off

Now some of the things you want to keep in mind with this type of training is that due to its intense nature, it is imperative that you have adequate nutrients in the system at all times. You need to make sure you are getting 2-2.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight each day along with 2 ? 3 grams of carbs depending on your metabolism (if you are carb sensitive cut it back to 1.5-2 grams and compensate the calories with extra protein. Fats should be minimal 40 grams or under.
Rest is highly important when training in this manner, so make sure you are getting at least 7 hours of straight sleep a night along with a good hour nap at some point in the day or evening. If this is not feasible..try and get 8-9 hours of sleep per night. Lastly you will find that after 6 (8 weeks max) that you will start to get burned out training this way. At this point simply scale back the number of sets and triple drop beyond failure reps. When I trained Robbie for the Master?s Olympia he did not touch a weight the week before the show and the 2 weeks prior his workouts were scaled back to 1-2 sets total. His workouts typically lasted 15-20 minutes at this point, but it was necessary to make sure he wasn?t going to go catabolic. Now if you are not coming into a show?.train in this scaled back manner for 3 weeks?.cut back on the protein and carbs because you will not need them and try and get extra rest, maybe even a massage or 2 or sitting in a Jacuzzi hot tub.
In closing I would like to make it perfectly clear that I do not think Beyond Failure training is the only way in the world that one should train. There are many paths up the mountain?some are more painful, yet more productive and some are less painful and take a little longer. It is your choice. The difficulty most people will have in attempting to train in this style is generating sufficient intensity to make sure they are actually going beyond failure, and trusting that the system will work and fighting the urge to train more (i.e. 6 days per week) All I can say is that I took a 54 year old man who was burned out and washed up and transformed his physique into it?s all time best condition?.and it was done with beyond failure training. When Robbie stepped on stage at the Master?s Olympia it was clear that he won. They may not have given him the title (and in fact insulted him by placing him behind a clinical dwarf) but he knew he won and so did Vince Taylor. Look at the pictures in this month?s Flex and read between the lines in J.R. Rosenthal?s report. Robbie Robinson shocked the world that day and was the rightful winner of that show and it was all because of Beyond Failure Training. Train harder then the next guy, and one day nobody will touch you!
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 Beyond Failure Training Intensity tips? Zero Momentum reps
By Trevor Smith

Ask anybody who has ever lifted weights for an appreciable time period and they will all agree that the most common question asked by the average person on the street is?."Hey?how much can you bench?"
I hate this question. I mean what does it have to do with the price of tea in China anyway? As if the average person will even know whether or not the numbers you tell them mean you are strong or not. Strength is a relative thing and so whenever I get asked this question, my stock reply is usually something along the lines of "A bit more than your average housewife and a lot less than your average Gorilla"
O.K. so where am I going with this? Actually, I am using this example to try and have you understand that weight is not all important and nor is it the only way to increase the severity and intensity of a set even with something as severe and intense as Beyond Failure Training. Let's face it, we have all seen guys in the gym cranking out reps as fast as they can and making a weight literally fly off their bodies. What I am going to suggest is that by taking a weight you could seemingly "toy with" for 15-20 reps and altering the style the reps are performed in, you will increase the intensity 10 fold and cut the number of reps you can perform down to 3-4. Together this will yield both bigger and eventually stronger muscles because you will eliminate sticking points and will not have to rely on momentum to get past them. Let's use the Bench Press as our exercise of choice for the purposes of example and explanation of Zero Momentum Reps.
The Bench Press is a movement that pretty much has universal sticking points for anyone that performs it. The first quarter of the movement is the most difficult because the pectoral muscles are forced to work almost exclusively until the triceps and deltoids are able to be of assistance in the last half of the movement. Now if one can get past this rather short sticking point, one can effectively incorporate assistance muscle groups like the triceps and the deltoids sooner and thus handle more weight. Now if you are a powerlifter, this is exactly what you are looking to accomplish. If you are a bodybuilder, this is not necessarily the case. Why? Because as bodybuilders, we want the bench-press to completely trash our pectorals and stimulate maximum muscle growth in that area. Now in order to get past this said sticking point and move heavier and heavier weight, explosive power and thrust is developed. Maximum exertion as quickly as possible is the name of the game. (It is this maximum exertion incidentally, that causes pectoral tendons to rupture and explode. If you successfully master the use of Zero Momentum Reps with your pressing movements, it will be impossible for you to tear muscles and or tendons.)

What is being proposed here is that you completely eliminate this explosion and thrust and make a steady, slow and controlled movement for the first quarter part of the exercise. This is the most difficult part of the Bench Press and rather then look to BI-pass it, I am suggesting that one will benefit greatly by savoring every single solitary millimeter of this part of the exercise.And this is how one would do this:
ZMR's (zero momentum reps) will begin with the person slowly lowering the weight down to the chest in a deliberate and controlled manner that takes approximately 2-3 seconds. Once at the bottom part of the movement, the participant should make an effort to exaggerate the stretch and have the hands go below chest level. Once there, the participant will hold for a count of three. It is at this point that the positive portion of the rep will begin. Now this gets tricky to describe without having seen it performed, but one must fight the tendency to "toss" the weight up and literally move the weight as slowly and as little as possible so that the first quarter of the movement takes 1.5-2 seconds. Once the first quarter of the rep is complete, you accelerate the pace and complete the rest of the movement where you once again will pause, this time at the top part of the movement. In this position, one should consciously cramp and squeeze the pectoral muscles together as if one were trying to hold a 5 pound plate between their pecs. After this occurs, the set continues, again with a slow and controlled descent, a pause and exaggerated stretch at the bottom and then a very slow and controlled ascent for the first quarter of the movement. This really is not rocket science, but in terms of muscle growth it will be like discovering plutonium. You will be lucky to get 4-6 reps in this manner and in many cases, 3-4, but if you understand anything about Beyond Failure Training you will know that the sooner you can get the muscle to failure, the sooner you can go Beyond Failure, and the sooner you go Beyond Failure, the sooner the set will be over and the sooner the set is over, the greater the intensity which will yield greater gains!
If you are serious about experiencing extreme intensity, extreme pain and eventually extreme results, give ZMR's a try. You will have to check your ego at the door and get comfortable with the idea of 100-200lbs. less with your bench but having it look and feel 100-200 times more difficult. And for those who think that you will not get strong this way understand this??You are only as strong as your weakest link??.Strengthen the weakest link and you strengthen the entire chain. After a few months you will be back up to the same poundage you were using before, except rather than throwing the weight off your chest to impress the local fitness beauty doing lunges in the corner, you will be taking a slow, solitary and unbearably excruciating dance with the Demon of Pain??.and trust me?he don't give a **** what you can bench.
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 Beyond Failure Training Intensity Tip:
Extreme Forced Reps (E.M.R's)
By Trevor Smith
One of the key components to Beyond Failure Training TM is the correct understanding and application of assisting your training partner. In other words, you need to be a good training partner. What defines a good training partner? Simply, it is one who is in tune with your set as much as they are with their own set. It requires total focus and attention for you to derive maximal benefits from your set, and minimizing any chance of injury. I wish I had a dollar for every moron I have encountered that initially agrees to give me a spot, then upon my explanation of what I need from them, they get this look of irritation on their face as if I have some nerve expecting them to actually pay attention to me and do a little more than standing there. At one gym, it got to the point that if I asked someone to spot me and they agreed and I then detected the slightest amount of annoyance from them after my explanation (assist with forced reps when I failed and then help me drop the weight and continue), that I would say, "You know what, go away from me, I don't need your help." Okay, my language may have been a bit harsher but I'll leave out the flowery details. It got to the point where it was just easier for me to bring my wife along so that my training time would be shortened (successfully finding a person to spot me could take 15-20 minutes at times).
It is difficult to focus 100% on your set if you are worried about the competence of your spotter or training partner. Assuming you have a competent spotter, I want to discuss the idea of forced reps and how you can transform them into an amazingly powerful Beyond Failure Training TM Intensity Tip. Stacking Z.M.R.'s, (Zero Momentum Reps) with forced reps will allow you to do Extreme Forced Reps (E.F.R.'s). This method will provide a one-two punch that is the training equivalent to a stack of Sustenon 250 and Anadrol.
Have you ever taken the time to really focus on one single, seemingly insignificant, aspect of training? Something everyone in the gym does since the day they first stepped foot in the gym door? It is my experience that if you do this, you open up a world that rarely is ever examined because people foolishly assume that something as simplistic as spotting, requires no thought or detailed attention. Remember, BOREDOM IS A LACK OF PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAIL! A single strand of hair can simply look like just a piece of hair. However, if examined under a microscope, you would marvel at the world unveiled. My point is, that those who look past the surface and go deeper than others will experience and learn things that few ever do. This same thing applies to training and in this case, partner assisted forced reps.
Yes, E.F.R.'s seem mindless enough, "When your partner fails, help him with the weight, so he can get a couple more reps." Nothing could be father from the truth with E.F.R.'s. The premise of E.F.R.'s and how they will change the afore mentioned description to: "When your partner fails, make him suffer miserably and keep him under the weight for as long as humanly possible, only assisting him so you can prolong his suffering, never taking the stress off him, only keeping him going in a positive direction or a static direction?anything but a negative direction, so he can understand and experience a true definition of pain and torture." Sounds rather sadistic I know, but B.F.T.TM is sadistic and the muscle growth it yields is also sadistic!
We are going to make one exception with E.F.R.'s. E.F.R's, for the most part, can only be performed with machines. When you perform them, you will understand why. Safety is a key factor in this exception.
Machine biceps curls will be our example. We will stack E.F.R's with another Beyond Failure Training TM intensity technique that I have already discussed in prior articles: Zero Momentum Reps (Z.M.R.'s).
As you grip the handle (I personally find having the hands closer together is more effective at stimulating the entire biceps) slowly begin performing your reps in a manner that has a pause at the bottom of the movement, a slow and deliberate contraction and a pause at the top of the movement. Continue in this fashion until you hit absolute and complete muscular failure on your own (which should be about 4-6 reps). At this point, as you attempt another rep, you should start to stagnate in the first quarter of the movement. You should not be moving forward, or going backwards, but rather "stuck" in place, struggling with the rep. At this point, your partner will place his or her hands on the handle and with the slightest amount of assistance possible, allow you to minutely move forward in a positive direction until the minimal amount of assistance he or she is giving you no longer allows for positive movement and you are once again "stuck in place". Your partner will, once again, allow you to stay stagnated for a few seconds and as they notice that your body starts to tremble and you are about to start moving backwards in the movement, they will once again offer just enough assistance to get you "un-stuck" and allow you to move a bit more in a positive manner. This "Hell-Zone" will continue until the rep is completed to the top part of the movement. The best part is yet to come, however, as you must complete another 1-2 reps in this same manner to insure absolute destruction of the muscle fibers. At this point, the weight is dropped a substantial amount, and the set is continued without rest. Again, once you hit muscular failure on your own, and only then, your partner will follow the same protocol as above. Again, after the 1-2 E.F.R.'s you will drop the weight a final time and continue with the set (at which time you will be praying for a quick and merciful death).
Once the set is completed close to five minutes should have passed on the clock. 5 minutes of continuous pain and torture. Five minutes of hell that left your biceps with so much blood in them, that they are engorged to the point that you cannot bend your arm and most definitely cannot flex them. If you can do either of these things, you did not do the set right and your partner did not do the E.F.R's correctly. Learn to pay attention to detail, for it will yield infinite possibilities with Beyond Failure TrainingTM, which will afford you many more avenues of muscle growth to travel down. Stay strong, stay focused and suffer well.
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Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Kim Jong Bob on January 05, 2011, 02:35:02 AM

The BFT video was finished and its was completed before he died.  However his wife refused to release or sell the video along with selling the remaining inventory of Nuclear Nutrition product which is problably still in that warehouse literally. 

Paul Becker outbid me for the domain name when it expired in 2007 and redirected it to his site Truly Huge.


That's about it.
why did you want to bid on the domain name? what was your plans?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: WillGrant on January 05, 2011, 04:05:12 AM
Where did johnny the trout go ?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: claymore on January 05, 2011, 04:52:22 AM
Trevor was a good man !! :'(
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 07:12:32 AM
WOW! Thanks alot for those posts Lion666 :) Me thinks that this program really is the absolute best program, except I would modify it slightly ;D But, the idea of training past failure is spot on 8)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Stavios on January 05, 2011, 09:08:52 AM
I love his training style
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: lesaucer on January 05, 2011, 09:12:30 AM
too much fat+water retention while on a shitloads of aas weighting over 300lbs= you dont live very long. that said he was brutally massive and died for us bitches, respect. pose in peace  8)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Wiggs on January 05, 2011, 09:13:54 AM
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
I'm curious Stavios, do you follow his training protocol?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Captain Equipoise on January 05, 2011, 09:56:06 AM
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...

That's usually what hot wife's do... he looked like the pilsbury doughboy, I think it's pretty obvious he wouldn't be able to maintain/keep a hot piece of ass like that
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 09:59:01 AM
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!

so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..

bench

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha buuullllshhiiiiitttttt
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: haider on January 05, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!

so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..

bench
are u still on hormones?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Master Blaster on January 05, 2011, 10:07:27 AM
are u still on hormones?

he's a cop police officer now
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 05, 2011, 10:09:48 AM
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...
I hear of people "dropping like flies" almost daily due to this phenomenom.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Stavios on January 05, 2011, 10:24:43 AM
I'm curious Stavios, do you follow his training protocol?

I often do it for the quads !

I have bad knees so I hate doing a lot of heavy sets, so destroying the quads with leg extension before a set of leg press or machine hack squat is very good for me.

I'll start doing it for the upper body too I think, I never did before.
don't know why  ;D
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: benchmstr on January 05, 2011, 10:40:48 AM
are u still on hormones?
negative.....not since i decided what career path i wanted to take...

bench
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 05, 2011, 11:05:17 AM
why did you want to bid on the domain name? what was your plans?


The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going.  Paul just used it to redirect his site.  

I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again.  I would love to sell those product abeit the site enhancement oil.  Trevor's MRP was state of the art at the time.  100 grams of protein per serving and it went down like Gatorade. 
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 05, 2011, 11:06:52 AM

The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going.  Paul just used it to redirect his site. 

I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again
When did you get blue stars Goodrum?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Wiggs on January 05, 2011, 11:07:22 AM

The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going.  Paul just used it to redirect his site. 

I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again

That's right Vince if "he" won't give your stars, you fucking make your own. >:(
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on January 05, 2011, 11:11:54 AM
That's right Vince if "he" won't give your stars, you fucking make your own. >:(


Its a little joke I'm pulling Basile.  I emailed him letting him know about my promotion. Wonder how long he'll go apeshit till he realizes otherwise.... ;D
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: local hero on January 05, 2011, 11:39:06 AM
trevor smith got alot of his theories and training style from the also late paul borresson, who also totaly screwed him over in there supplement buisness..
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: wes on January 05, 2011, 12:04:17 PM
Did Trevors leg routine today.........kicked the living shit out of me.   :(
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 01:01:51 PM
Remember wes, it will ONLY work if you get PROGRESSIVELY STRONGER and use GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS. IF THE LOADS STAY THE SAME, THEN THE MUSCLES STAY THE SAME.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
Remember wes, it will ONLY work if you get PROGRESSIVELY STRONGER and use GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS. IF THE LOADS STAY THE SAME, THEN THE MUSCLES STAY THE SAME.
x2 great post.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
Thanks man ;) BTW, I not only say these things because they are true, but I also say them to keep my mind focused on the truth ;D
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 02:07:12 PM
Thanks man ;) BTW, I not only say these things because they are true, but I also say them to keep my mind focused on the truth ;D

some people can't handle the truth though - especially getbiggers.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: pellius on January 05, 2011, 02:07:23 PM
Thanks man ;) BTW, I not only say these things because they are true, but I also say them to keep my mind focused on the truth ;D

I agree that you should always strive for progression -- for that additional rep and to increase resistance. Doing things continuously that are already easy will do nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it? As Jones use to say, you have to attempt the momentary impossible. But what I think you neglect is varying the stimulus. If you keep doing the same exercise year after year even if you are constantly striving for progression progress comes to a grinding halt. Dante/DoggCrap recognizes this and that's why suggests changing exercises/movements regularly.

The most knowledgeable and progressive thinker that I am aware of is Brian Johnson. He's a former Mentzer friend and disciple. They eventually parted ways causing resentment on Mike's part. He use to have a board forum and maybe still does. I've lost touched with him and the last time we shared private emails was over a year ago. He's mellowed a bit over the years as he use to have shades of Jone's impatience and arrogance. Check him out. You're a thinking man and you will find him very stimulating and provocative.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 05, 2011, 02:12:54 PM
I agree that you should always strive for progression -- for that additional rep and to increase resistance. Doing things continuously that are already easy will do nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it? As Jones use to say, you have to attempt the momentary impossible. But what I think you neglect is varying the stimulus. If you keep doing the same exercise year after year even if you are constantly striving for progression progress comes to a grinding halt. Dante/DoggCrap recognizes this and that's why suggests changing exercises/movements regularly.

The most knowledgeable and progressive thinker that I am aware of is Brian Johnson. He's a former Mentzer friend and disciple. They eventually parted ways causing resentment on Mike's part. He use to have a board forum and maybe still does. I've lost touched with him and the last time we shared private emails was over a year ago. He's mellowed a bit over the years as he use to have shades of Jone's impatience and arrogance. Check him out. You're a thinking man and you will find him very stimulating and provocative.

Yes Brian is much like Arthur a bit abrasive but knowledgeable do you have a link to his site pelluis?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Master Blaster on January 05, 2011, 02:14:12 PM
I agree that you should always strive for progression -- for that additional rep and to increase resistance. Doing things continuously that are already easy will do nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it? As Jones use to say, you have to attempt the momentary impossible. But what I think you neglect is varying the stimulus. If you keep doing the same exercise year after year even if you are constantly striving for progression progress comes to a grinding halt. Dante/DoggCrap recognizes this and that's why suggests changing exercises/movements regularly.

The most knowledgeable and progressive thinker that I am aware of is Brian Johnson. He's a former Mentzer friend and disciple. They eventually parted ways causing resentment on Mike's part. He use to have a board forum and maybe still does. I've lost touched with him and the last time we shared private emails was over a year ago. He's mellowed a bit over the years as he use to have shades of Jone's impatience and arrogance. Check him out. You're a thinking man and you will find him very stimulating and provocative.


they don't want to think

they want a simple answer

lift Y more = muscles X larger

1 calorie = 1 calorie
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: wes on January 05, 2011, 02:24:20 PM
I always keep my training progressive,but not always as far as adding weight to the bar/machine is concerned.

Lots of ways to keep it on the upswing ,but thanks for the tip Mr. Expert who looks like a bag of shit Fat Panda!

 ::)
HA HA HA HA A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA   ;D

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
I always keep my training progressive,but not always as far as adding weight to the bar/machine is concerned.

Lots of ways to keep it on the upswing ,but thanks for the tip Mr. Expert who looks like a bag of shit Fat Panda!

 ::)
HA HA HA HA A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA   ;D



thats right when u take steroids you don't need any help.

 ::)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 02:35:35 PM
Thanks pellius, and yeah I'm pretty fimiliar with Brian's work. The thing is I think that Trevor is really on to something with this PFT, but the major problem with it is that it is highly impractical, because it basically requires an expert trainer or training partner to correctly push one through these brutal workouts. And, it's not the work out per se which puts bigger muscles upon the trainee, it's the workout ability to allow one to train with greater and greater training loads. P.S. I'm a tiny tit without much muscles, but Lord knows that I'm trying ;D And no, I'm certain that I haven't yet reached my genetic size potential. P.P.S. I DO KNOW HOW TO GET RIPPED (sub-6) and I'm SO VERY COCK-SURE AND CONFIDENT about ma ability in dis regard 8)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: wes on January 05, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
I`m totally clean and been doing this shit a long time Panda.

I`ve got lifting belts that are older than you son.

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Marty Champions on January 05, 2011, 02:43:50 PM
by now wes has "progressed" his training so far hes well in the 1000 rep range as well as poundages
he told me "keep your workouts progressive son of weegar, I always keep mine progressive"  (http://www.healthcentral.com/common/bloghoster/data/uploads/avatars/35150.gif?1261)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 02:48:24 PM
I`m totally clean and been doing this shit a long time Panda.

I`ve got lifting belts that are older than you son.



hahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Overload on January 05, 2011, 02:50:13 PM
Trevor was a little ahead of his time and most lifters did not agree with his theories.

I tried his "Demon Training" for a few months many years ago and it did seem to work, but all your nagging little injuries seem to really flare up doing this style of training.

He was an advocate of extreme AAS use.

There is a lot of speculation as to how he died. I have heard from some very close friends that his death may have a little more too it, but no point in rehashing the past.

The few times that i met Trevor in person he was extremely friendly and helpful to anyone who was polite.

He would never turn someone down who was asking for advice.

R.I.P.


8)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 02:51:17 PM
Trevor was a little ahead of his time and most lifters did not agree with his theories.

I tried his "Demon Training" for a few months many years ago and it did seem to work, but all your nagging little injuries seem to really flare up doing this style of training.

He was an advocate of extreme AAS use.

There is a lot of speculation as to how he died. I have heard from some very close friends that his death may have a little more too it, but no point in rehashing the past.

  The few times that i met Trevor in person he was extremely friendly and helpful to anyone who was polite.

He would never turn someone down who was asking for advice.


R.I.P.


8)

much like myself.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: wes on January 05, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
by now wes has "progressed" his training so far hes well in the 1000 rep range as well as poundages
he told me "keep your workouts progressive son of weegar, I always keep mine progressive"  (http://www.healthcentral.com/common/bloghoster/data/uploads/avatars/35150.gif?1261)
You nut  lol  ;D
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
Too bad that you never reached your goal of getting ripped (sub-6) Falcon :( Yeah, you did get lean, but you didn't get ripped, plus you lost a shitload of muscle doing so :(
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: BIG DUB on January 05, 2011, 03:23:21 PM
There was a pic of a guy on here that supposedly worked with Trevor for a comp. I wanted to see first hand how his short steroid cycles worked as the theory made sense. I know Tom Prince used a similar approach an d posted one of his cycles on Muscle Mayhem.


Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Omega on January 05, 2011, 04:10:14 PM
trevor smith got alot of his theories and training style from the also late paul borresson, who also totaly screwed him over in there supplement buisness..

This...
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on January 05, 2011, 04:20:23 PM

The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going.  Paul just used it to redirect his site.  

I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again.  I would love to sell those product abeit the site enhancement oil.  Trevor's MRP was state of the art at the time.  100 grams of protein per serving and it went down like Gatorade. 

That's such fucking bullshit.  His MRP was absolute shit compared to other brands.  I know a lot of guys loved it but it hardly went down like fucking gatorade.  Haha I bought shitloads of it at the time but got sick of it and couldn't stand it.  Look guys Trevor was a guru, a nice very knowledgeable guy who would talk to and help anyone.  I talked to the guy over the phone several times.  How many assholes in the fitness industry do that nowadays free of charge?  But his BFT and nutrition line weren't anything extraordinary.  It sure as fuck wasn't his BFT that got him to his huge size.  It was the boatloads of gear he was using.  Come on.........pull your fucking heads out of yoour ass.  VInce you a fucking charlatan plain and simple who has always looked like shit and always will look like shit.  Why anyone would ever listen to anything you have to say about nutrition or training is beyond me.  LOL.  Get some fucking gear or give it up asswipe! 
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MuscleMcMannus on January 05, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
And there isn't any speculation as to his death.......he killed himself.  What more is there to it? 
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: NCNPC29 on January 05, 2011, 04:22:49 PM
From what Trevor told me Nancy was planning on leaving him and he was not handling it all that well. He was self medicating with pain relievers, nubain etc. I started talking with Trevor in 98 when I paid him to put together an off season diet for me. He got me from 230 to 265. No change in "supplements" purely a change in the foods and amounts of foods I was consuming.

I really thought his products were top notch and it's a real shame he didn't live longer. I never saw a toxicology report or definitive cause of death. When he passed I assumed he self medicated to heavy from his depression and accidentally overdosed. That is purely my speculation based on what he told me over the phone he was doing and going through. I only got one side of the story but Nancy seemed like a cold hearted bitch. Trevor was by far one of the most genuine people I had the pleasure of communicating with and went WAY out of his way to help people. A class act.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: flinstones1 on January 05, 2011, 04:44:55 PM
i can EASILY see dieing at a young age a possibility EVEN for a natural bodybuilder who consistently eats ALOT of fatty and sugar foods over the years

and you dont even have to look much fat to be highly clogged up internally :(

bullshit. true hardcore natty bodybuilders, despite their gayness, are almost always in amazing health. excluding the permabulkers. natural bodybuilding is a healthy hobby ::)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Fatpanda on January 05, 2011, 05:25:57 PM
bullshit. true hardcore natty bodybuilders, despite their gayness, are almost always in amazing health. excluding the permabulkers. natural bodybuilding is a healthy hobby ::)

i agree.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: TommyBoy on January 06, 2011, 06:09:21 AM
I remember when Trevor Smith died it actually bothered me a bit. This was someone I had never met but gave me the time of day to give me helpful advice (for free). My local gym had a copy of his GEAR publication when I was a teenager and I would read it for the demon training articles. I had no clue about AAS and why the hell it was called GEAR, but damn if I didn't go nuts with BFT training. I had no clue at the time this training was definitely designed to be sustained only by users so I got over trained fairly quickly. It was great though and the intensity required to get through this makes all other training seem easy. I still do a LOT of drop sets and super sets today just because they flat out WORK. If I ever had a training partner I could trust to spot correctly I would most definitely do BFT for 2-3 weeks every couple months again.

Trevor would go out of his way to give me nutritional advice too via email. It was very basic/fundamental stuff but it was also timeless info that I still use today because, well, it's just basic no-change needed stuff. I have no clue what his AAS advice was but his nutritional advice was simple. In a nutshell get lots of food but GOOD food, and then explained what GOOD food was. Yeah we all know this, but for someone starting out it makes a world of difference. On top of that train like your possessed. I did and got great results.

He came across as a good guy he legitimately cared about the fitness industry.

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 06, 2011, 06:39:43 AM
TommyBoy, great post man! BTW, I really think that Trevor's BFT could work for a natural trainer, but with a few modifications: 1. Only performing 1 full cycle instead of 2 2. Only training twice a week rather than 4 times a week 3. Not training Arms and Delts seperately, but realizing that they will get more than enough stimulation through the Chest and Back cycles.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Parker on January 06, 2011, 07:02:01 AM
much like myself.
Self Praise is no praise---Trevor Walk the walk and Talked the talk--I liked reading his articles as well as T-Nation, this was a time when I was actually serious about training. And I didn't know about the dark ugly side of bbing, and Trevor never talked about that -strictly training, motivation and AAS---not about women, schmoes, and G4P...it seems that the more naive I was, the better it was for me to train...

The only thing I didn't like was his version of synthol, I think he got into the realm (fad) too quickly, if he was about strictly gaining muscle---then this was the antithesis of such.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Van_Bilderass on January 06, 2011, 07:25:34 AM
I liked his articles. I remember I actually emailed him a question once and he answered.
Seemed like a passionate guy about bodybuilding.

He did have some questionable articles, such as how to use Ecstacy and GHB while on a contest diet.  :D

Regarding bodyweights and their relation to bodybuilding, I want to comment on this pic.

(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)

There is big and then THERE'S BIG!, as gh15 said once. Ronnie is the latter. Trevor was a huge huge man but nowhere as big in bodybuilding terms as someone like Ronnie, even if he may have outweighed him by 100lbs. Look at Ronnie, his head looks small for his body, while Trevor's still looks a bit oversized. Even through a shirt Ronnie has a 3D quality to his dimensions that Trevor doesn't have. Ronnie's delts, chest and traps are twice the size of Trevor's. You can also see the Syntholed arms through the shirt.

What I'm saying is that bodyweight by itself doesn't say much, and I think eating insane amounts of food required to weigh 400lbs is suicide if you plan to be a competitor some time down the road. You are sure to mess up your body, your gut etc. I remember Trevor said he wanted to compete eventually and he wanted to shock people from the get go - it would have been interesting to see, but I think a lot of the muscle he thought he had would have disappeared.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Captain Equipoise on January 06, 2011, 11:12:31 AM
I liked his articles. I remember I actually emailed him a question once and he answered.
Seemed like a passionate guy about bodybuilding.

He did have some questionable articles, such as how to use Ecstacy and GHB while on a contest diet.  :D

Regarding bodyweights and their relation to bodybuilding, I want to comment on this pic.

(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)

There is big and then THERE'S BIG!, as gh15 said once. Ronnie is the latter. Trevor was a huge huge man but nowhere as big in bodybuilding terms as someone like Ronnie, even if he may have outweighed him by 100lbs. Look at Ronnie, his head looks small for his body, while Trevor's still looks a bit oversized. Even through a shirt Ronnie has a 3D quality to his dimensions that Trevor doesn't have. Ronnie's delts, chest and traps are twice the size of Trevor's. You can also see the Syntholed arms through the shirt.

What I'm saying is that bodyweight by itself doesn't say much, and I think eating insane amounts of food required to weigh 400lbs is suicide if you plan to be a competitor some time down the road. You are sure to mess up your body, your gut etc. I remember Trevor said he wanted to compete eventually and he wanted to shock people from the get go - it would have been interesting to see, but I think a lot of the muscle he thought he had would have disappeared.

Oh , WTF.... dude was more fucked up then I thought..
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Parker on January 06, 2011, 11:25:47 AM
Oh , WTF.... dude was more fucked up then I thought..

I also believed that he never came down in bodyweight due to not wanting to feel small, it would have helped in in the long run---take a look at that picture, he's 400 pounds and a blackbelt, who is he gonna fight? Trevor looks winded just standing there... Even though I was a fan of his articles, I had thought that either his mind would give or his body...
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Van_Bilderass on January 06, 2011, 11:32:36 AM
 :D
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Lunatic Fat Loss Program…..Or The Realities of Fat Loss in the Fitness and Bodybuilding World

By Trevor L. Smith

editors note* The following article is in no way shape or form a suggestion to use illicit and dangerous compounds. It is merely a commentary on how these compounds are being used and if people are using them, how they might hypothetical be doing so.



So what’s with the dual title to this article. Well it is pretty much self-explanatory. The realities of fat loss programs in both the fitness and bodybuilding industry are pretty fucking lunatic! Now I am not saying that all fitness competitors and all bodybuilders follow the program below, but some of them do and even more shocking is the majority that do, do so without even realizing it. So the purpose of this article is to shed light on some of these radical approaches and structure them in such a way as to utilize them consciously in the quest to shed bodyfat. Understand that this is not a recommendation at all, it is merely a hypothetical expose on what is being done and how one might go about doing it.



First off, let’s throw together a list of known thermogenic compounds that bodybuilders and fitness competitors like to use to get into shape and keep the fat off:

Most commonly they are:

Clenbuterol
Thyroid
Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine or the herbal equivalents
D.N.P.
Now those are the most commonly used ones….in actuality, most people still do not understand or know how to use D.N.P. and so do not consider it a viable tool in fat loss, which is a good thing because misuse can and will kill you! Because of this, let’s drop D.N.P. off this list. That leaves us with Clenbuterol, Thyroid, and Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine.

Scores of information is abound about how one would use these products to achieve in an increased metabolic rate and subsequently fat loss, but what most people do not realize is there is a new one, two punch that is often added to this stack that causes fat to literally melt off the body at an alarming rate. As I stated before, most of the time people who are adding this one-two punch to the afore mentioned stack are not doing so for reasons of fat loss, so they are often clueless as to why they are getting so damn lean and ripped so fast. They are simply interested in one thing when they are using these two compounds: Getting Fucked Up and Partying all night long!

That’s right, the Rage of the Rave scene: Ecstasy and G.H.B.

Ecstasy, while causing intense feelings of Euphoria, has an interesting little side effect: An increase in core body temperature. Contrary to all the erroneous hype on ecstasy, it’s most dangerous property and the reason for all of the deaths associated with it’s use is not that it burns a hole in your brain, but it causes over-heating and dehydration. Now this is due to both the increase in body temperature caused by ecstasy itself, combined with the fact that Rave clubs are always packed with lots and lots of people who are also on ecstasy and therefor emitting lots and lots of body heat. Add to this that when on ecstasy people are inclined to dance for hours and hours non-stop which increases their body temperature even more, you get DANGEROUS levels of body temperature akin to having a fever and dancing inside of an oven. Now all of this could and would be alleviated if people made sure that they took breaks every half hour to an hour to cool down and consumed plenty and plenty of cold water, say 16oz. of water every 30 minutes when doing lots of lots of dancing and when they are sweating lots and lots. But that is another story. We are talking about how this works in shedding lots and lots of fat so let’s get back to it. So we now understand that ecstasy severely increases the metabolic rate and therefor increases body temperature. Now let’s look at G.H.B.

Receiving tons and tons of bad press over the last 5-10 years, G.H.B. was a compound that was sold over the counter up until 1990-1991 and was used extensively in Europe as both an anesthetizing agent along with being used to help alcoholics get weaned off booze. Misuse of this product and combination with alcohol resulted in a number of deaths, but more so it resulted in lots and lots of rapes and sex crimes because slipped into an unsuspecting females drink in a high enough dosage, she will literal pass out and go into a coma like state, only to awake and realize she has been the victim of a horrible, cowardly act by some fucking loser who deserves to be gang raped by a team of Clydesdale horses for doing such a terrible thing. —as you can tell I have a real hard-on for guys who commit date rate because they are looking for sex and know exactly what they are doing as opposed to serial rapists who commit there senseless acts not for sexual enjoyment but for other warped reasons. So this resulted in the subsequent banning of G.H.B. which is unfortunate because used with common sense it is a totally safe compound with many positive effects. This brings us to the subject of our article. Like ecstasy, one of GHB’s positive effects is an increase in metabolic rate and body temperature, which results in fat loss and like ecstasy it gives the user a euphoric high, although one has to be careful with the dose as too much will knock you right out into a deep sleep.

O.K. now we have a brief understanding of what is going on with these two compounds, so let’s discuss a hypothetical way that one might go about using them in conjunction with the afore mentioned fat burning compounds.



Since you are dealing with some serious compounds here, it would be wise to limit their use in your fat burning regime to just 4 weeks. What follows is probably so much smaller in terms of doses and frequency than what a lot of bodybuilders and fitness competitors/models are doing, but remember we are looking at a hypothetical here and we want to be smart and safe.

Week 1: Monday-Friday

80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity

Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Week 2: Monday-Friday

3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed





Week 3: Monday-Friday

80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB

Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken

Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed

Week 4: Monday-Friday

3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)

75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)

1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening

Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB



Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity but make sure that one was resting and cooling off every so often

Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken



Diet should be as follows in this hypothetical program:

Monday-Saturday

2-3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight

1-1.5 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight

1/8gram of fats per pound of bodyweight

Sunday: Cheat day…eat what you want

So for a 250lb man this would mean

500-750 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)

250-375 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 500 grams of protein per day)

30 grams of fat per day





For a woman we have to change the diet as follows

2-2.25 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight

1-1.25 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight

? grams of fats per pound of bodyweight

So for a 130lb woman this would mean

260-290 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)

130-160 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 260 grams of protein per day)

30 grams of fat per day



Thus we conclude our hypothetical discussion with the following statement: I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ENCOURAGING THE USE OF ECSTACY OR GHB OR ANY OTHER DRUG FOR THAT MATTER. The purpose of this article was simply to expose the types of things that are being done in the fitness and bodybuilding world to achieve radical fat loss. Again most people are not even aware what they are doing and the effects it is having when they are partying on the weekend at the local Rave club using GHB and ecstasy. They are using amounts way over and above what I have discussed here and I guess my hope is that if they come across this article and read through it, they will organize the things they are using so that they will be safer and healthier and will not jeopardize their health
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: pellius on January 06, 2011, 11:54:46 AM
Yes Brian is much like Arthur a bit abrasive but knowledgeable do you have a link to his site pelluis?

He sold IART and I don't know if he even has a site anymore. He should. He's always trying to innovate and discovery new things. But even he admitted, no matter what you do progress eventually stops. And stops fast. After about 3 years of ideal and optimal training (a big assumption) you're pretty much are close to your max potential. Things slow down considerably and the most you can hope for is tiny games and refinement. BDJ, despite his best efforts, and he does believe in progression, it's just not the be all and end all in and of itself, admits that he really hasn't changed much if at all over the years. Just levels of leaness which is solely attributed to calorie manipulation.

He post over at IronAge. He's on the thread where Basile is complaining about not having stars. His response to Vince was typical BDJ. I think when it comes to resistance training he is very, very smart. He's the only guy I would trust 100% as a personal trainer and follow all his instructions to the T. In our last correspondence he gave me some great advice. He's become very generous with his time and knowledge as long as he thinks you're not taking advantage of him and just milking him for your benefit and treating him like a chump. After all, this is what he does for a living.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: dj181 on January 06, 2011, 12:03:42 PM
Fucking hell! Taking all those compounds to get lean/ripped? FUCK DAT NOISE! I will go from 15% to 8% in 3 weeks, and the only "drug" that I will use will be black coffee ;D
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: The Grim Lifter on January 06, 2011, 01:01:26 PM
He was delusional, Ron Harris said Trevor thought building muscle was the hard part and dieting was easy...............not sure what he was basing that on
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 06, 2011, 01:04:14 PM
Sounds like DEMON training and pain killers go hand and hand.
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Stavios on January 06, 2011, 01:13:58 PM
He was delusional, Ron Harris said Trevor thought building muscle was the hard part and dieting was easy...............not sure what he was basing that on

I agree

Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Master Blaster on January 06, 2011, 01:38:21 PM
He was delusional, Ron Harris said Trevor thought building muscle was the hard part and dieting was easy...............not sure what he was basing that on

It's easy to say that the thing you never do is "easy"
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: local hero on January 06, 2011, 01:57:52 PM
getting lean is a piece of piss,,,, getting ripped and full is something completely different...
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: MitsuFan on January 06, 2011, 02:37:47 PM
Using the way back machine I went back to nuclearnutrition.com and dug this up.

(http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6505/trevortrainingsequence.gif) (http://img834.imageshack.us/i/trevortrainingsequence.gif/)

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Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 06, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
It's easy to say that the thing you never do is "easy"

Its why poor people think all their problems will be gone if they had endless amounts of money.  :-\
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 06, 2011, 04:08:22 PM
:D

Trevor Jumped the Shark when he tried to act as if he was a guru on XTC/GHB. Pills changed from week to week. And most times people weren't getting MDMA anyways. The same "to some extent" can be said about GHB/GBL. I wonder if he was the guy who taught King Kamali the art of Pop locking ::)
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Rickyboy on January 11, 2011, 01:28:16 PM
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...

Did his wife treat him badly?
Title: Re: Remembering Trevor Smith -- Nuclear Nutrition
Post by: Tito24 on January 12, 2011, 09:59:23 AM
yes trevor clearly had bigorexia