412 seems doubtful - I find it hard to believe a man of that weight would look this small compared to Ronnie
(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=63594.msg955430;topicseen#msg955430
Trevor would only wear longsleeve shirts too. He was probably 320-340s with 20-25% BF.
It's because of people like this that he he was going through tough times shit talkers. He was in fact over 400 pounds just look at this pic and no he was around 15% bf although his weight did fluctuate.bwahahaha 15%?....look at the arms....negative on 15%
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58901&d=1181768004
It's because of people like this that he he was going through tough times shit talkers.
What was the cause of death?
not trying to disrespect the man....but 412lbs?...he had to know how unhealthy that was...and the amount of daily intake that has to occur to keep that weight...i am not even talking AAS, and growth...just food alone..
a lot of these guys think that just because they lift, live in the gym, and stay relatively lean that they are healthy....but in the end...it just isn't healthy to ever weigh that much...
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x2at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!
It's actually healthier to be at 35-40% bodyfat at 400 pounds than 15% bodyfat.
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!
so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..
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It's actually healthier to be at 35-40% bodyfat at 400 pounds than 15% bodyfat.
What's your height?5'10"....remember i said relatively lean...not ripped.....i had a 3 1/2 pack ;D
5'10"....remember i said relatively lean...not ripped.....i had a 3 1/2 pack ;D:o all the way a big dude
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Heart attack or brain aneurysm.
I hope the mods don't mind that I bumped this.
More pics and articles here if you guys wanna check it out.
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39691
Anyways some guy called Chris said that the BFT video was eventually coming out. Any updates on that?
why did you want to bid on the domain name? what was your plans?
The BFT video was finished and its was completed before he died. However his wife refused to release or sell the video along with selling the remaining inventory of Nuclear Nutrition product which is problably still in that warehouse literally.
Paul Becker outbid me for the domain name when it expired in 2007 and redirected it to his site Truly Huge.
That's about it.
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...
at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!
so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..
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at my heaviest i was close to 300lbs, and pretty lean.....i felt like shit non stop.....but i was thrilled to be that big!!are u still on hormones?
so i know his mindset......i am glad i got over all that shit..
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are u still on hormones?
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...I hear of people "dropping like flies" almost daily due to this phenomenom.
I'm curious Stavios, do you follow his training protocol?
are u still on hormones?negative.....not since i decided what career path i wanted to take...
why did you want to bid on the domain name? what was your plans?
When did you get blue stars Goodrum?
The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going. Paul just used it to redirect his site.
I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again
The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going. Paul just used it to redirect his site.
I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again
That's right Vince if "he" won't give your stars, you fucking make your own. >:(
Remember wes, it will ONLY work if you get PROGRESSIVELY STRONGER and use GREATER AND GREATER TRAINING LOADS. IF THE LOADS STAY THE SAME, THEN THE MUSCLES STAY THE SAME.x2 great post.
Thanks man ;) BTW, I not only say these things because they are true, but I also say them to keep my mind focused on the truth ;D
Thanks man ;) BTW, I not only say these things because they are true, but I also say them to keep my mind focused on the truth ;D
I agree that you should always strive for progression -- for that additional rep and to increase resistance. Doing things continuously that are already easy will do nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it? As Jones use to say, you have to attempt the momentary impossible. But what I think you neglect is varying the stimulus. If you keep doing the same exercise year after year even if you are constantly striving for progression progress comes to a grinding halt. Dante/DoggCrap recognizes this and that's why suggests changing exercises/movements regularly.Yes Brian is much like Arthur a bit abrasive but knowledgeable do you have a link to his site pelluis?
The most knowledgeable and progressive thinker that I am aware of is Brian Johnson. He's a former Mentzer friend and disciple. They eventually parted ways causing resentment on Mike's part. He use to have a board forum and maybe still does. I've lost touched with him and the last time we shared private emails was over a year ago. He's mellowed a bit over the years as he use to have shades of Jone's impatience and arrogance. Check him out. You're a thinking man and you will find him very stimulating and provocative.
I agree that you should always strive for progression -- for that additional rep and to increase resistance. Doing things continuously that are already easy will do nothing to stimulate an adaptive response. Why would it? As Jones use to say, you have to attempt the momentary impossible. But what I think you neglect is varying the stimulus. If you keep doing the same exercise year after year even if you are constantly striving for progression progress comes to a grinding halt. Dante/DoggCrap recognizes this and that's why suggests changing exercises/movements regularly.
The most knowledgeable and progressive thinker that I am aware of is Brian Johnson. He's a former Mentzer friend and disciple. They eventually parted ways causing resentment on Mike's part. He use to have a board forum and maybe still does. I've lost touched with him and the last time we shared private emails was over a year ago. He's mellowed a bit over the years as he use to have shades of Jone's impatience and arrogance. Check him out. You're a thinking man and you will find him very stimulating and provocative.
I always keep my training progressive,but not always as far as adding weight to the bar/machine is concerned.
Lots of ways to keep it on the upswing ,but thanks for the tipMr. Expert who looks like a bag of shitFat Panda!
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HA HA HA HA A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ;D
I`m totally clean and been doing this shit a long time Panda.
I`ve got lifting belts that are older than you son.
Trevor was a little ahead of his time and most lifters did not agree with his theories.
I tried his "Demon Training" for a few months many years ago and it did seem to work, but all your nagging little injuries seem to really flare up doing this style of training.
He was an advocate of extreme AAS use.
There is a lot of speculation as to how he died. I have heard from some very close friends that his death may have a little more too it, but no point in rehashing the past.
The few times that i met Trevor in person he was extremely friendly and helpful to anyone who was polite.
He would never turn someone down who was asking for advice.
R.I.P.
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by now wes has "progressed" his training so far hes well in the 1000 rep range as well as poundagesYou nut lol ;Dhe told me "keep your workouts progressive son of weegar, I always keep mine progressive" (http://www.healthcentral.com/common/bloghoster/data/uploads/avatars/35150.gif?1261)
trevor smith got alot of his theories and training style from the also late paul borresson, who also totaly screwed him over in there supplement buisness..
The site had a decently popular forum and I was going to keep it going. Paul just used it to redirect his site.
I have checked the domain and it appears that it may become available again. I would love to sell those product abeit the site enhancement oil. Trevor's MRP was state of the art at the time. 100 grams of protein per serving and it went down like Gatorade.
i can EASILY see dieing at a young age a possibility EVEN for a natural bodybuilder who consistently eats ALOT of fatty and sugar foods over the years
and you dont even have to look much fat to be highly clogged up internally :(
bullshit. true hardcore natty bodybuilders, despite their gayness, are almost always in amazing health. excluding the permabulkers. natural bodybuilding is a healthy hobby ::)
much like myself.Self Praise is no praise---Trevor Walk the walk and Talked the talk--I liked reading his articles as well as T-Nation, this was a time when I was actually serious about training. And I didn't know about the dark ugly side of bbing, and Trevor never talked about that -strictly training, motivation and AAS---not about women, schmoes, and G4P...it seems that the more naive I was, the better it was for me to train...
I liked his articles. I remember I actually emailed him a question once and he answered.
Seemed like a passionate guy about bodybuilding.
He did have some questionable articles, such as how to use Ecstacy and GHB while on a contest diet. :D
Regarding bodyweights and their relation to bodybuilding, I want to comment on this pic.
(http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Trevor_Smith_1.jpg)
There is big and then THERE'S BIG!, as gh15 said once. Ronnie is the latter. Trevor was a huge huge man but nowhere as big in bodybuilding terms as someone like Ronnie, even if he may have outweighed him by 100lbs. Look at Ronnie, his head looks small for his body, while Trevor's still looks a bit oversized. Even through a shirt Ronnie has a 3D quality to his dimensions that Trevor doesn't have. Ronnie's delts, chest and traps are twice the size of Trevor's. You can also see the Syntholed arms through the shirt.
What I'm saying is that bodyweight by itself doesn't say much, and I think eating insane amounts of food required to weigh 400lbs is suicide if you plan to be a competitor some time down the road. You are sure to mess up your body, your gut etc. I remember Trevor said he wanted to compete eventually and he wanted to shock people from the get go - it would have been interesting to see, but I think a lot of the muscle he thought he had would have disappeared.
Oh , WTF.... dude was more fucked up then I thought..I also believed that he never came down in bodyweight due to not wanting to feel small, it would have helped in in the long run---take a look at that picture, he's 400 pounds and a blackbelt, who is he gonna fight? Trevor looks winded just standing there... Even though I was a fan of his articles, I had thought that either his mind would give or his body...
Lunatic Fat Loss Program…..Or The Realities of Fat Loss in the Fitness and Bodybuilding World
By Trevor L. Smith
editors note* The following article is in no way shape or form a suggestion to use illicit and dangerous compounds. It is merely a commentary on how these compounds are being used and if people are using them, how they might hypothetical be doing so.
So what’s with the dual title to this article. Well it is pretty much self-explanatory. The realities of fat loss programs in both the fitness and bodybuilding industry are pretty fucking lunatic! Now I am not saying that all fitness competitors and all bodybuilders follow the program below, but some of them do and even more shocking is the majority that do, do so without even realizing it. So the purpose of this article is to shed light on some of these radical approaches and structure them in such a way as to utilize them consciously in the quest to shed bodyfat. Understand that this is not a recommendation at all, it is merely a hypothetical expose on what is being done and how one might go about doing it.
First off, let’s throw together a list of known thermogenic compounds that bodybuilders and fitness competitors like to use to get into shape and keep the fat off:
Most commonly they are:
Clenbuterol
Thyroid
Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine or the herbal equivalents
D.N.P.
Now those are the most commonly used ones….in actuality, most people still do not understand or know how to use D.N.P. and so do not consider it a viable tool in fat loss, which is a good thing because misuse can and will kill you! Because of this, let’s drop D.N.P. off this list. That leaves us with Clenbuterol, Thyroid, and Caffeine/Aspirin/Ephedrine.
Scores of information is abound about how one would use these products to achieve in an increased metabolic rate and subsequently fat loss, but what most people do not realize is there is a new one, two punch that is often added to this stack that causes fat to literally melt off the body at an alarming rate. As I stated before, most of the time people who are adding this one-two punch to the afore mentioned stack are not doing so for reasons of fat loss, so they are often clueless as to why they are getting so damn lean and ripped so fast. They are simply interested in one thing when they are using these two compounds: Getting Fucked Up and Partying all night long!
That’s right, the Rage of the Rave scene: Ecstasy and G.H.B.
Ecstasy, while causing intense feelings of Euphoria, has an interesting little side effect: An increase in core body temperature. Contrary to all the erroneous hype on ecstasy, it’s most dangerous property and the reason for all of the deaths associated with it’s use is not that it burns a hole in your brain, but it causes over-heating and dehydration. Now this is due to both the increase in body temperature caused by ecstasy itself, combined with the fact that Rave clubs are always packed with lots and lots of people who are also on ecstasy and therefor emitting lots and lots of body heat. Add to this that when on ecstasy people are inclined to dance for hours and hours non-stop which increases their body temperature even more, you get DANGEROUS levels of body temperature akin to having a fever and dancing inside of an oven. Now all of this could and would be alleviated if people made sure that they took breaks every half hour to an hour to cool down and consumed plenty and plenty of cold water, say 16oz. of water every 30 minutes when doing lots of lots of dancing and when they are sweating lots and lots. But that is another story. We are talking about how this works in shedding lots and lots of fat so let’s get back to it. So we now understand that ecstasy severely increases the metabolic rate and therefor increases body temperature. Now let’s look at G.H.B.
Receiving tons and tons of bad press over the last 5-10 years, G.H.B. was a compound that was sold over the counter up until 1990-1991 and was used extensively in Europe as both an anesthetizing agent along with being used to help alcoholics get weaned off booze. Misuse of this product and combination with alcohol resulted in a number of deaths, but more so it resulted in lots and lots of rapes and sex crimes because slipped into an unsuspecting females drink in a high enough dosage, she will literal pass out and go into a coma like state, only to awake and realize she has been the victim of a horrible, cowardly act by some fucking loser who deserves to be gang raped by a team of Clydesdale horses for doing such a terrible thing. —as you can tell I have a real hard-on for guys who commit date rate because they are looking for sex and know exactly what they are doing as opposed to serial rapists who commit there senseless acts not for sexual enjoyment but for other warped reasons. So this resulted in the subsequent banning of G.H.B. which is unfortunate because used with common sense it is a totally safe compound with many positive effects. This brings us to the subject of our article. Like ecstasy, one of GHB’s positive effects is an increase in metabolic rate and body temperature, which results in fat loss and like ecstasy it gives the user a euphoric high, although one has to be careful with the dose as too much will knock you right out into a deep sleep.
O.K. now we have a brief understanding of what is going on with these two compounds, so let’s discuss a hypothetical way that one might go about using them in conjunction with the afore mentioned fat burning compounds.
Since you are dealing with some serious compounds here, it would be wise to limit their use in your fat burning regime to just 4 weeks. What follows is probably so much smaller in terms of doses and frequency than what a lot of bodybuilders and fitness competitors/models are doing, but remember we are looking at a hypothetical here and we want to be smart and safe.
Week 1: Monday-Friday
80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)
75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)
1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening
Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB
Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity
Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken
Week 2: Monday-Friday
3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)
75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)
1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening
Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB
Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken
Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed
Week 3: Monday-Friday
80-120 mcg of Clenbuterol (this would be dependant on bodyweight and most women would only need between 60 and 80mcg)
75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)
1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening
Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 2-3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB
Saturday: complete rest and no compounds taken
Sunday: 2-3 teaspoons of GHB taken before bed
Week 4: Monday-Friday
3-4 B.M.R. 10 caps before each of the first 3 meals of the day (this is my thermogenic formula and it is way more effective than the standard E/C/A stack but again one would be wise to start with a smaller dose if tolerance and bodyweight are lower)
75-150mcg of Cytomel (again, women would stay in the 75mcg range)
1.5 hours of aerobics per day: 45minutes in the morning and 45 minutes in the evening
Tuesday and Thursday: Along with following the above regime, on Tuesday and Thursday 3 teaspoons of liquid GHB would be taken before bed. This would be around 2-3 grams of GHB
Saturday: Assuming that one would be going out from 11:00pm-4: 00am dancing at a Rave club the following would be done: ? to ? tab of ecstasy taken every 1.5 hours along with ? to ? of a teaspoon of liquid GHB. (Again women would stick to ? tab of ecstasy and ? teaspoon of GHB) 16-20oz. of cold water MUST be drank every 30 minutes and it would be wise to do a lot of dancing to further increase metabolic activity but make sure that one was resting and cooling off every so often
Sunday: complete rest and no compounds taken
Diet should be as follows in this hypothetical program:
Monday-Saturday
2-3 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight
1-1.5 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight
1/8gram of fats per pound of bodyweight
Sunday: Cheat day…eat what you want
So for a 250lb man this would mean
500-750 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)
250-375 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 500 grams of protein per day)
30 grams of fat per day
For a woman we have to change the diet as follows
2-2.25 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight
1-1.25 grams of carbohydrates per pound of bodyweight
? grams of fats per pound of bodyweight
So for a 130lb woman this would mean
260-290 grams of protein per day (the higher amount of protein would be taken if the person was carb sensitive)
130-160 grams of carbohydrates per day (the higher amount of carbs would be taken if the person was not carb sensitive and was consuming only 260 grams of protein per day)
30 grams of fat per day
Thus we conclude our hypothetical discussion with the following statement: I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ENCOURAGING THE USE OF ECSTACY OR GHB OR ANY OTHER DRUG FOR THAT MATTER. The purpose of this article was simply to expose the types of things that are being done in the fitness and bodybuilding world to achieve radical fat loss. Again most people are not even aware what they are doing and the effects it is having when they are partying on the weekend at the local Rave club using GHB and ecstasy. They are using amounts way over and above what I have discussed here and I guess my hope is that if they come across this article and read through it, they will organize the things they are using so that they will be safer and healthier and will not jeopardize their health
Yes Brian is much like Arthur a bit abrasive but knowledgeable do you have a link to his site pelluis?
He was delusional, Ron Harris said Trevor thought building muscle was the hard part and dieting was easy...............not sure what he was basing that on
He was delusional, Ron Harris said Trevor thought building muscle was the hard part and dieting was easy...............not sure what he was basing that on
It's easy to say that the thing you never do is "easy"
:D
I spoke with him on many occasions in person and on the net...Very nice man...Hot wife at the time also...The c u n t drove him to his grave...