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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: LuciusFox on May 17, 2006, 06:55:34 PM
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Cormier looked his best at the 1999 Mr. Olympia and Flex looked his best at the 1993 Arnold Classic. Who wins if they are on the same stage? Should Flex have placed over Cormier in the 1999 Mr. Olympia?
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come on LuciusFox.. You can't start a debate like this without examples/pics.. ;D
I'm too lazy to post pics ;D
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Flex
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was that flex's first year as a pro?
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was that flex's first year as a pro?
Yep! He was incredibly sharp, even his glutes and hams were in condition.
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Flex! 8)
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i remember that he just had such a hard look to all of his muscles, perfect proportions, flawless in my opinion
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(http://www.anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
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ah this is awesome inspiration just before a workout..... in off to train chest now 8)
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Synthol ::)
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(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/flex1/TN_flex07.JPG)
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Synthol ::)
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LOL....not yet in 1993 ;D
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LOL....not yet in 1993 ;D
In that case,
Escliene ::)
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In that case,
Escliene ::)
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LOL....I'll bet he was using it with Levrone :D
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Flex won 4 Arnold Classic titles. And 20 other shows!
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(http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~rhudsonb/slices/chris.jpg)
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8)
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(http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~rhudsonb/slices/2gether.jpg)
This one is interesting, but not 1999.
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lol check these ones out. ;D
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Hahahahahaha....his face looks funny in the last one ;D
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As if somebody could forget a body like that. ::)
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(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris2.jpg)
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Chris! :o
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I think Flex wins, I've never been much of a fan of Chris Cormier.
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I think Flex wins, I've never been much of a fan of Chris Cormier.
Will this change your mind, thisiskeith12? ;D
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris9.jpg)
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Will this change your mind, thisiskeith12? ;D
(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris9.jpg)
When was this taken?
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In that case,
Escliene ::)
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Haha beat me to it. I remember reading a MD where in one of the "flex tells all" articles he mentioned of using escaline and then throws in something like you know who was the biggest user of it? kevin levrone. Kind of an assh*le move. I personally would rather look like cormier, but I think the better bodybuilder was flex for sure.
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When was this taken?
I think it's a few years old.
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(http://people.cs.uct.ac.za/~rhudsonb/slices/2gether.jpg)
This one is interesting, but not 1999.
Dex owning cormier
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ecstacy ::)
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Flex would win easily.
Both had shitty lats and width.
But flex has better almost everything else.
Chris is great, Flex was better.
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Flex would win easily.
Both had shitty lats and width.
But flex has better almost everything else.
Chris is great, Flex was better.
Cormier was bigger at his best. He would probably win the ab/thigh, rear lat and front lat, side chest and most muscular. I would say he wins more poses.
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Flex was underrated. The man's back looked as some chiseled it out of wood.
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I'd rather look like Cormier than any other pro.
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Wow...The Glory Years. Damn Flex was hot. :o
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(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris2.jpg)
this is a great shot of Chris. He looks good enough to place second to Ronnie ;D
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his chest looks awesome in that shot, striations everywhere
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(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris2.jpg)
this is a great shot of Chris. He looks good enough to place (a distant) second to Ronnie ;D
I have corrected your post mate - hope you don't mind 8)
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lol check these ones out. ;D
gary coleman on steroids in the firs pic lol
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'99 cormier shits all over flex
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NEVER insult flex by mentioning cromier in the same thread
(cromieah..lmao..its bouquet not bucket! ::) )
cromier = big mouth ..what exactly has he won during his carreer? and against who?
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rambone!!!!! yes!!! you beat me to it, fucking dead on!
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ecstacy ::)
Hahahahahaha.....look at their eyes ;D
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1993 Arnold Classic Flex would beat anyone Haney , Coleman , Yates , Cormier , he was just that good .
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Just amazing
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The perfect blend of size , symmetry , balance , muscularity , conditioning and aesthetics .
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umm yeah,
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Flex! 8)
that`s dexter
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1993 Arnold Classic Flex would beat anyone Haney , Coleman , Yates , Cormier , he was just that good .
1993 Arnold Classic Flex, as great as he was, would have gotten his ass handed to him by a 1993 / 1995 Dorian, a 1998/1999/2003/2004/2005 Ronnie (and also the 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie) 8). In most people's opinion, Flex in the 98 Arnold was a bigger, rounder (and almost as dry) version of his 1993 Arnold Classic self and at the 1999 English Grand Prix, Flex looked even better. However, in the Grand Prix, he still got beaten easily by Ronnie.
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1993 Arnold Classic Flex, as great as he was, would have gotten his ass handed to him by a 1993 / 1995 Dorian, a 1998/1999/2003/2004/2005 Ronnie (and also the 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie) 8). In most people's opinion, Flex in the 98 Arnold was a bigger, rounder (and almost as dry) version of his 1993 Arnold Classic self and at the 1999 English Grand Prix, Flex looked even better. However, in the Grand Prix, he still got beaten easily by Ronnie.
Depends on what standard your using. If its mass yes Flex would have been beat by Ronnie, but you have to remember the 1998 O was Flex's to lose, if Flex came in shape, Flex would have won. If your talking shape+cuts, 93 Flex would win. Now the 1993 Arnold Flex, is to me, the pinnacle of what a bber should look like. Take a look at that kneeling twist back shot of Flex, you can't deny that is one pic that is up there with the twisting Arnold double bi shot, or the Sergio victory
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Look at how small Cuba's arm and shoulders are AHAAHAHAHA!!! What a pussy!!!
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Depends on what standard your using. If its mass yes Flex would have been beat by Ronnie, but you have to remember the 1998 O was Flex's to lose, if Flex came in shape, Flex would have won. If your talking shape+cuts, 93 Flex would win. Now the 1993 Arnold Flex, is to me, the pinnacle of what a bber should look like. Take a look at that kneeling twist back shot of Flex, you can't deny that is one pic that is up there with the twisting Arnold double bi shot, or the Sergio victory
98 Mr O was Flex's to lose only because 98 Mr O Ronnie's shape had never been seen before. Even if Flex had been as dry and conditioned as he was earlier that year, IMO he would have lost to Ronnie. While Ronnies shape in the years to come has been heavily criticised due to his gut and all, at the 98 MR O, he was untouchable - Even though his delts were a bit flatish and his calves were lacking, his stucture, muscularity, conditioning, dryness, muscle seperation, vascularity and above all, size gave him an incredibly freakish look. The only reason his victory was close was because Flex had all the precontest momentum happening for him, while Ronnie was simply expected to land somewhere between 4 - 6th. Any person who has seen the pics or more so, the video, can easily see how Ronnie just blew everyone else away with his standout bodyparts.
And the kneeling twist shot of Flex, while being one of his signature poses that he pulls off to near perfection, is only one shot. Look at the following shots of Ronnie from the 98 Mr O - Front double bi (Gyno notwithstanding), Side chest, all the back poses and most muscular and you'll see he's in a league of his own. Like someone once said, a good big guy will always take out a good (relatively) little guy.
BTW, I think Alex Federov has surpassed Flex in the kneeling twisted back shot (not all the time, but in that one pic that was posted a few days ago) 8)
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Its subjective of course, but a peak Flex beats a peak Cormier. 1993 Flex is the best BBing shape to ever be seen on stage.
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Its subjective of course, but a peak Flex beats a peak Cormier. 1993 Flex is the best BBing shape to ever be seen on stage.
I agree Flex in 93 and Samir in 83 bar none !!
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I agree Ronnie in 03 and 04 bar none !!
Cant believe you actually admitted that ND :o
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Cant believe you actually admitted that ND :o
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Hey thats my trick !! >:( :P
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As shootfighter1 says, Flex was the best BB seen onstage in 1993 (and since). You know I've seen a lot of people saying that Heath this year is like Flex in 1993. Please, not even close. Flex in 1993 had people astounded at how damn near perfect he was. NO ONE questioned his win and everyone was suddenly talking about how he could take the Mr. O as a rookie (even Dorian thought if Flex mentally put it all together, Flex could have beaten him). Does anyone here think Heath could challenge Ronnie this year?
In '93 he was incredible.
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4488;image)
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As shootfighter1 says, Flex was the best BB seen onstage in 1993 (and since). You know I've seen a lot of people saying that Heath this year is like Flex in 1993. Please, not even close. Flex in 1993 had people astounded at how damn near perfect he was. NO ONE questioned his win and everyone was suddenly talking about how he could take the Mr. O as a rookie (even Dorian thought if Flex mentally put it all together, Flex could have beaten him). Does anyone here think Heath could challenge Ronnie this year?
In '93 he was incredible.
Awesome just awesome !! Ronnie may have matched him in dryness and outstanding bodyparts but he can't match that God-given shape !!
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Flex had the best genetics of any bodybuilder I've seen. He was a sure bet to take the O when Dorian retired, but than that big elephant named Coleman just about dropped everyones jaw when He walked out on stage and Flex knew his day had passed.
Chris never took bodybuilding seriously enough to take the Sandow. He was a great bodybuilder, but just not good enough to take the big one.
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As shootfighter1 says, Flex was the best BB seen onstage in 1993 (and since). You know I've seen a lot of people saying that Heath this year is like Flex in 1993. Please, not even close. Flex in 1993 had people astounded at how damn near perfect he was. NO ONE questioned his win and everyone was suddenly talking about how he could take the Mr. O as a rookie (even Dorian thought if Flex mentally put it all together, Flex could have beaten him). Does anyone here think Heath could challenge Ronnie this year?
In '93 he was incredible.
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4488;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4493;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4489;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4494;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4495;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4502;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4501;image)
(http://ironage.us/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5962.0;id=4503;image)
NO NO NO NO NO NO :( I cannot see the pictures because I am banned from ironage. :'( :'( :'( Somebody upload them via attachment plz.
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Just amazing
That's fuckin incredible. Now I remember why I loved this dude
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NO NO NO NO NO NO :( I cannot see the pictures because I am banned from ironage. :'( :'( :'( Somebody upload them via attachment plz.
Hahahahahaha...same thing happened to me, Alexxx ;D
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NO NO NO NO NO NO :( I cannot see the pictures because I am banned from ironage. :'( :'( :'( Somebody upload them via attachment plz.
BUMP :'(
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Flex Wheeler all the way, baby! 8)
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i think flex would own him.... flex look incredible on stage because of the shape of his muscles and his very small waist and joint... cormier is awesome... but not in the same league
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i think flex would own him.... flex look incredible on stage because of the shape of his muscles and his very small waist and joint... cormier is awesome... but not in the same league
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Thanks but you can reffer to me as the great mr. olympia from now on.
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Thanks but you can reffer to me as the great mr. olympia from now on.
yes you are Alexxx.. You're our hero
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(http://perso.wanadoo.fr/topmuscu/images/chris%20cormier/chris2.jpg)
this is a great shot of Chris. He looks good enough to place second to Ronnie ;D
Yeah thats my avatar.................. ......
Chris beats Flex in legs, back, chest, shoulders, abs............... Clearly the Overall winner ;D
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\Pictures Downloaded from AOL)
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Yeah thats my avatar.................. ......
Chris beats Flex in legs, back, chest, shoulders, abs............... Clearly the Overall winner ;D
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\HP_Owner\My Documents\My Pictures\Pictures Downloaded from AOL)
Chris did look perfect at that show. It was almost a curse to be so symmetrical.
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98 Mr O was Flex's to lose only because 98 Mr O Ronnie's shape had never been seen before. Even if Flex had been as dry and conditioned as he was earlier that year, IMO he would have lost to Ronnie. While Ronnies shape in the years to come has been heavily criticised due to his gut and all, at the 98 MR O, he was untouchable - Even though his delts were a bit flatish and his calves were lacking, his stucture, muscularity, conditioning, dryness, muscle seperation, vascularity and above all, size gave him an incredibly freakish look. The only reason his victory was close was because Flex had all the precontest momentum happening for him, while Ronnie was simply expected to land somewhere between 4 - 6th. Any person who has seen the pics or more so, the video, can easily see how Ronnie just blew everyone else away with his standout bodyparts.
And the kneeling twist shot of Flex, while being one of his signature poses that he pulls off to near perfection, is only one shot. Look at the following shots of Ronnie from the 98 Mr O - Front double bi (Gyno notwithstanding), Side chest, all the back poses and most muscular and you'll see he's in a league of his own. Like someone once said, a good big guy will always take out a good (relatively) little guy.
BTW, I think Alex Federov has surpassed Flex in the kneeling twisted back shot (not all the time, but in that one pic that was posted a few days ago) 8)
I agree somewhat with most of your post, but as far as ALex Federov, no, he doesn't compare in that back shot. One, ALex has a asymetrical back. Two, Look at Flex's delts, bis, and tris, round and full they are, Alex doesn't have that fullness, roundness.
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NO NO NO NO NO NO :( I cannot see the pictures because I am banned from ironage. :'( :'( :'( Somebody upload them via attachment plz.
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I can't see them either :(
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BUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMP!
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I still don't see the pics, Alexxx >:(
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Here are a bunch of Flex Pics from 93 ...
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sa moore....
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last two..
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If only he thought more along the lines of Shawn Ray..... :-\
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LAst one is the pic of who i think is better :-* :-*
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LAst one is the pic of who i think is better :-* :-*
gay?
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or female?
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Cormier may have been the best combination of size and aesthetics.
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WOW thanks guys! Imagine if they went with the Flex Wheeler standart. How our mr. Olympia would look like today.
Also those calves are actual impressive here.
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WOW thanks guys! Imagine if they went with the Flex Wheeler standart. How our mr. Olympia would look like today.
Also those calves are actual impressive here.
His calves looked good earlier. I don't know why he did something to them. He lost so much detail later.
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WOW thanks guys! Imagine if they went with the Flex Wheeler standart. How our mr. Olympia would look like today.
Also those calves are actual impressive here.
Cormier would be Mr. O right now if that happened 8)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc043.jpg)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc046.jpg)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc004.jpg)
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Cormier would be Mr. O right now if that happened 8)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc043.jpg)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc046.jpg)
(http://www.chriscormier.com/webphotos/cc004.jpg)
Fantastic quad detail and separation! :o
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Both guys have beautiful physiques but flex tops chris
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His calves looked good earlier. I don't know why he did something to them. He lost so much detail later.
I agree. When he started going the Synthol and heavy drug use route...He really just screwed up his physique....which is a shame because his body would have only gotten more beautiful as he got older.
They really should have gone with him for Mr. Olympia in 1998. I think bodybuilding as a whole would have really benefitted from it.
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I agree. When he started going the Synthol and heavy drug use route...He really just screwed up his physique....which is a shame because his body would have only gotten more beautiful as he got older.
They really should have gone with him for Mr. Olympia in 1998. I think bodybuilding as a whole would have really benefitted from it.
He was just too soft in the rear lower body.
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He was just too soft in the rear lower body.
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He was beautiful.....He was one man that I can call beautiful.
I would love to see more Flex Wheeler's and Richard Jones winning shows and less big blocky pot bellied pigs winning.
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He was beautiful.....He was one man that I can call beautiful.
I would love to see more Flex Wheeler's and Richard Jones winning shows and less big blocky pot bellied pigs winning.
Richard Jones has a better look in my opinion :)
Nothin against Flex but i have never been a fan of his................. I guess it's all the synthol, ninjas, kidney failure and such................. But one positive thing to say is no matter how much bad shit can be said he will always have all those ASC's and other pro wins.
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He was beautiful
Flex's physique will never be duplicated - Flex Wheeler the person will never be duplicated. The unreal shape of his physique, the way he transitioned slowly between poses, the way he owned his first 3 or 4 contests - never again. Its a shame he tried to get too big and lost his health, but that's how it goes.
Zane's the only man I would ever call beautiful.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/zf54.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz117.jpg)(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz70.jpg)(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Zane01.jpg)
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Flex's physique will never be duplicated - Flex Wheeler the person will never be duplicated. The unreal shape of his physique, the way he transitioned slowly between poses, the way he owned his first 3 or 4 contests - never again. Its a shame he tried to get too big and lost his health, but that's how it goes.
Zane's the only man I would ever call beautiful.
His posing used to be unreal. He literally would have the crown breathless when he would take the stage. Flex was amazing. :'(
The body was just sick....His waist was smaller than mine and a lot of other women!!!!! He and Frank Zane should be what bodybuilding is about. Creating that work of art.
A lot of people don't like Flex because of his attitude in those days, and that was completely warranted. It's just that he was misunderstood...but you cannot take his physique away from him.
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His attitude just ads to his mystique - those early videos of his were great. He was so quiet and reserved in the BFTO videos and Pure Resistance. He jsut wasnt the same . . .
Flex was the man!
(http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/flex_wheeler/wheeler14.jpg)
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His attitude just ads to his mystique - those early videos of his were great. He was so quiet and reserved in the BFTO videos and Pure Resistance. He jsut wasnt the same . . .
Flex was the man!
Ummmm well if you knew him in those days....you would think he was an asshole because he was. :(
He was extremely marketable....Damn shame.
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Above the knees and when he showed up in shape Flex was awesome, but those calf implants killed it for me. The early shot of him with his leg in the air shows how small they really were. I've been looking for an early entire body - the mags always cut him off at the knees - picture of Flex so I could confirm what Sean Ray used to accuse him of, calf implants. I wonder if he would have done as well as he did without the implants.
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I think that Flex in 1993 had the most beautiful physique ever. Talent can sometimes be a curse, though.
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I think that Flex in 1993 had the most beautiful physique ever. Talent can sometimes be a curse, though.
Especially when you are all messed up inside. You feel like you don't deserve it. That's what really killed him which is why he sabotaged himself.
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Flex= GOAT
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Above the knees and when he showed up in shape Flex was awesome, but those calf implants killed it for me. The early shot of him with his leg in the air shows how small they really were. I've been looking for an early entire body - the mags always cut him off at the knees - picture of Flex so I could confirm what Sean Ray used to accuse him of, calf implants. I wonder if he would have done as well as he did without the implants.
Shawn said he only did it to mess with Flex and sabotage his contest prep
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Shawn said he only did it to mess with Flex and sabotage his contest prep
Fuck Shawn....In my neck of the woods we call haters like that bitches ::)
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Flex's physique will never be duplicated - Flex Wheeler the person will never be duplicated. The unreal shape of his physique, the way he transitioned slowly between poses, the way he owned his first 3 or 4 contests - never again. Its a shame he tried to get too big and lost his health, but that's how it goes.
Zane's the only man I would ever call beautiful.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/zf54.jpg)
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz117.jpg)(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/zane/fz70.jpg)(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Zane01.jpg)
Melvin Anthony has the shape shape, if not better. Flex was better getting his contest prep together, but not by that much. Melvin actually has a better lat spread than Flex. After I saw the pics from the 99 USA's and saw Mel video, I thought he would bring in a new era, he was the new Flex, but bring something diff., but his contest shape has been off by miles.
Phil Heath is now being compared to Flex, but I disagree, the only thing he has in common with Flex in terms physique, is that he is narrow thru the clavicles, just look at the pics of Flex doing a a most muscular and look at PH.
Melvin is the the only one today that can rival Flex's shape, and has Flex problems (lower back, glutes, and hams)