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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on May 18, 2006, 11:46:04 AM
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I have two friends who have never touched steroids, much less GH, and have distention.
I think more than anything it is genetic. Or at the very least, you need a genetic predisposition in order to later develop a gut through GH use.
Just because you can get an expanded stomach, and thus distended abs, from other things doesn't mean GH can't ALSO cause it. And the reason everyone says Ronnie's is from GH is that he was a pretty big and muscular bodybuilder in the early-mid 90's and didn't have the gut/distention.
Also, SPECULATING that Gunter uses GH is not proof that GH doesn't cause distention in everyone.
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it may be the combination of GH and insulin, so without knowing how much of each people take it's hard figure out why some have it worse than others
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Ronnies waste is actually pretty small so his overgrown organs have nowhere to go besides out.
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I wonder what would happen if supermodels and everyday hotties started sporting gh guts. Imagine Jessica Alba on insulin and GH. Would she still be hot?
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Happens a lot when guys get too heavy for their structure.
Multitude of reasons: GH, insulin, excessive carb up, huge meals, increase abdomenal mass from powerlifting movements...etc...
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Happens a lot when guys get too heavy for their structure.
Multitude of reasons: GH, insulin, excessive carb up, huge meals, increase abdomenal mass from powerlifting movements...etc...
gh gut is when your internal organs don't fit in your abdomen, and since the rib cage can't increase in size, the only place to go is out your stomach. this excess mass is either 1) growth in the internal organs, or 2) intra abdominal fat, that is fat between the internal organs. excess carbs or huge meals can increase fat, but since these guys are able to get the subcutaneous fat to a very low percent, that's not the case. huge meals stretching the stomach is not the cause either. and powerlifting may increase the muscles of the abdominal wall, but it doesn't contribute to the increase of the volume inside
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Distended guts is a result of eating huge amounts of food..
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I think it's visceral water retention caused by the GH/test combo.
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I think it's visceral water retention caused by the GH/test combo.
these guys are so dehydrated when then step on stage. how could it be water retention in the intestines?
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Everything I said is correct.
Competitors can have guts caused by several different variables but appear similar.
Over carbing or a large meal can absolutely do this. This is very common among competitors trying to fill out too quickly after depletion before a show. The increase in volume is the larger circumference of the stomach and intestines after a large meal.
It is also speculated that GH can cause water retention in the intestines independent of organ growth. This retention, however, is not assumed to be perminent, as is the organ growth. There haven't been a lot of detailed studies on this, just medical observation of side effects.
Increase in overall abdominal mass can be caused by more powerlifting movements. Though, typically you'll see a widening of the waist instead of a protruding belly. Still, it can thicken the adbomen in all areas.
Again, there are multiple variables.
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i really think it is guys being a bit too heavy for their structure but mostly due to carbing up and eating too much. also, the bigger guys have everything else that is bigger, so of course their guts will be bigger as well.
one of the reasons why i think this is bc sometimes, guys like dennis james, fux, ruhl, ronnie, nasser, dillett came onstage sometimes with very little distention compared to their last performance. perhaps they didnt carb up as much. the fact that they can control this form contest to contest could make this possible. i doubt they layed off the gh that much between shows to reduce the distention.
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Over carbing or a large meal can absolutely do this. This is very common among competitors trying to fill out too quickly after depletion before a show. The increase in volume is the larger circumference of the stomach and intestines after a large meal.
if this was true, you'd see it in pics from athletes from the 1970s and 1980s.
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you can not post any gut pics without showing orville burke.
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12 weeks on 150 to 200 grams of carbs a day, then having to eat 1200 a day for two to three days will do that to you, your clogged up like a mother fucker, and you wont take anything to unclog for fear of flattening out
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12 weeks on 150 to 200 grams of carbs a day, then having to eat 1200 a day for two to three days will do that to you, your clogged up like a mother fucker, and you wont take anything to unclog for fear of flattening out
Really, then why have I seen offseason pics of Ronnie with the gut? It should be gone by then (unclogged as you put it).
And while it's "possible" that the huge amount of eating might cause the guts, then why didn't that guy in the 70's (Bruce Randall?) -- who ate a ton and became insanely fat, after being a bodybuilder, getting up to 400 lbs and then losingalmost 200 lbs to compete again -- get the same stomach distention that today's BB's get? I don't think it's eating. (And don't tell me today's BB's eat more than a guy who was still weightlifting but got his bodyweight up to a fat+muscle 400 lbs)
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This all sounds highly scientific and knowing your nature I'm guessing you read this in a peer reviewed journal?
Hahahahahahaha....don't bet on it ;D
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get over it, as long as we wanna see those Mass Monsters, there's always gonna be those oversize guts
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NarcissisticDeity posted this picture of Ronnie's gut in 1999.
Naturally I stole it. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=79933;image)
How is it that we are all so certain that it is the GH which causes the gut? I'm sure Gunter uses more GH than you can shake a stick at and his stomach is flat. A lot of other top pros have no problem in this area - e.g., Chris Cormier.
I have two friends who have never touched steroids, much less GH, and have distention. My stomach is such that I can't either suck it in or stick it out. It remains perpetually flat.
I think more than anything it is genetic. Or at the very least, you need a genetic predisposition in order to later develop a gut through GH use.
wow :o,dexter has a gut
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Really, then why have I seen offseason pics of Ronnie with the gut? It should be gone by then (unclogged as you put it).
And while it's "possible" that the huge amount of eating might cause the guts, then why didn't that guy in the 70's (Bruce Randall?) -- who ate a ton and became insanely fat, after being a bodybuilder, getting up to 400 lbs and then losingalmost 200 lbs to compete again -- get the same stomach distention that today's BB's get? I don't think it's eating. (And don't tell me today's BB's eat more than a guy who was still weightlifting but got his bodyweight up to a fat+muscle 400 lbs)
Stomach shrinks from eating low amounts of food, small meals all the time, then when you eat like fuck last few days your stomach cant expand quick enough, its purely a temporary thing, carbing on insulin is also a big influence on it, for instance does Dorian now hes 220 still have the huge gut, ? (no in my opinion )
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Maybe Ronnie just has a bad case of wind in that picture and needs to rip a HUGE fart to settle things down :-\
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some guys were using massive amounts of gh in the 80s and no real gh gut....When inslin came into the scene, so did the growth belly....Now alot of guys at the state level a sporting these bellies....
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gunter has a massive frame. the end.
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gunter has a massive frame. the end.
That didn't stop Kovacs from having a massive gut :-\
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oh my Lord
hey to those who claim that the gut is from eating a lot of food, you sound retarded
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I asked the same question a while ago and asked where is the proof of GH causing the so called GH gut. There is none - only what some surmise to be the result of GH. I have a big gut - always have had - never used GH - have used gear (but never insulin). Even when I trained my abs really hard and had a decent mid section I still had a muscular kind of distention about my upper abdominal area. i can lessen it by sucking in as hard as I could but if I was breathing at all heavy then no way could I hold em in all the time.
Friends of mine used massive quantities of GH over the years and I can't think of any of them that have huge bellies.
I'll wager it could be any or all of the following - insulin, excessive carbs, muscular structure, maybe even GH - but to say it is just the result of GH - bullshit.
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I asked the same question a while ago and asked where is the proof of GH causing the so called GH gut. There is none - only what some surmise to be the result of GH. I have a big gut - always have had - never used GH - have used gear (but never insulin).
Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen. No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin. But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens. You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this. Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen. It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading. Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning. It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did. They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s. What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.
Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.
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Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen. No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin. But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens. You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this. Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen. It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading. Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning. It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did. They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s. What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.
Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.
Can we say that GH makes different organs grow at different rates?
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Can we say that GH makes different organs grow at different rates?
we can say for sure that your brain doesn't grow. otherwise pro bb's would also be our best politicians, muhahahaha
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The friend of mine in the pic I posted of us doing the back double biceps has a distended stomach and he has never touched a roid in his life and has only been bodybuilding for a year.
He is also relatively lean and still has a gut that sticks out. If he went down to 3% body fat he would also have a gut. I'm surprised that no bodybuilder pre-1991 (or whatever arbitrary year the ironage ended) did not have a gut. Yet thinking back, I don't recall any.
yes there are people who naturally have distended abdomens. it means their rib cage is not big enough for their internal organs. if your friend had competed as a bodybuilder in the 70s or 80s, odds are he would have been judged down because of it and would not have been able to be a top bodybuilder.
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Tim - well explained. Point taken.
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The old guys must have just held their stomachs in better. It's unlikely that none of them had any natural distension.
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Lucius I'm an old guy and I still can't hold my damn gut in ;D
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oh my Lord
hey to those who claim that the gut is from eating a lot of food, you sound retarded
;D I agree.
FWIW... Just one IFBB Pro could spend the $1,200 and have an MRI done and we could actually find the truth behind the madness. Com'on... somebody do it.
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Lucius I'm an old guy and I still can't hold my damn gut in ;D
Hahahahahaha.....I'll be like you soon. ;D I've had a gut since I was kid; every time I eat or drink too much, it's huge ;D
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Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen. No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin. But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens. You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this. Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen. It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading. Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning. It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did. They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s. What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.
Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.
You seem hell bent on blaming it on GH/Slin. But it's not just that combo. Overeating, power movements, huge carb ups, pgf2a....the list goes on add to the fact all the lbs of unprocessed meat and something is bound to stick out.
Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.
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You seem hell bent on blaming it on GH/Slin. But it's not just that combo. Overeating, power movements, huge carb ups, pgf2a....the list goes on add to the fact all the lbs of unprocessed meat and something is bound to stick out.
Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.
For some reason the guy is obsessed with gh. Maybe it killed his brother ;D
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Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.
wanna bet. everything regarding nutrition that bodybuilders are doing today, someone was doing back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
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wanna bet. everything regarding nutrition that bodybuilders are doing today, someone was doing back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.
But that person didn't necessarily know how effective it was.
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For some reason the guy is obsessed with gh. Maybe it killed his brother ;D
if it did, it would be no laughing matter.
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if it did, it would be no laughing matter.
That's true :-\
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I miss the days of Usenet kill files. Surely someone has created a plugin for SMF.
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Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen. No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin. But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens. You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this. Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen. It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading. Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning. It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did. They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s. What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.
Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.
I said the same thing in a similar thread several weeks ago. The huge guts weren't there 15, 20, 30 years ago - and guys back then were no strangers to heavy training and eating, carb loading, cavalier roid usage (Pete Grymkowski and others), etc.
Also, the top guys 15 or more years ago tended to have a different look to their muscles compared to many of the guys today. The harder, denser (if smaller) muscle quality guys had back then was different (better IMO) than the "spongy" look many guys started showing onstage in the past decade or so. I believe the lack of the appearance of muscular hardness and density is also largely chemically related, although I guess some of it may be attributed to genetics, diet, and training.
Saying that the cause of these guts nowadays is mainly due to heavy eating and heavy training (and not primarily chemical) is similar IMO in a way to the magazines saying that better eating, training, and otc supplementation are the main reasons bodybuilders have gotten larger over time. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Whow, i need to remember this.
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The friend of mine in the pic I posted of us doing the back double biceps has a distended stomach and he has never touched a roid in his life and has only been bodybuilding for a year.
He is also relatively lean and still has a gut that sticks out. If he went down to 3% body fat he would also have a gut. I'm surprised that no bodybuilder pre-1991 (or whatever arbitrary year the ironage ended) did not have a gut. Yet thinking back, I don't recall any.
Benaziza and Gaspari were the first I remember. (And before you all say, "Gaspari had ripped abs!" watch the Mr. O video from 1986 (or was it 1987?). When he's not controlling it. the thing is pretty big. Not Coleman or Benaziza big, but still distended.
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This is perhaps the question of the ages... hopefully everyone is savvy enough now to realize that Insulin is the main culprit behind the guts. This combined with the much higher total caloric intake that one can ingest while still losing fat, (due to high doses of GH and T3).
BUMP!
M!
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NarcissisticDeity posted this picture of Ronnie's gut in 1999.
Naturally I stole it. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=79933;image)
How is it that we are all so certain that it is the GH which causes the gut? I'm sure Gunter uses more GH than you can shake a stick at and his stomach is flat. A lot of other top pros have no problem in this area - e.g., Chris Cormier.
I have two friends who have never touched steroids, much less GH, and have distention. My stomach is such that I can't either suck it in or stick it out. It remains perpetually flat.
I think more than anything it is genetic. Or at the very least, you need a genetic predisposition in order to later develop a gut through GH use.
Some more roid gut pics:
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Thats a damn shame about Deangelis...he has a great looking physique there, and the massive gut just ruins it.
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Mass Monsters are increadable to see but, holy shit!! The stomachs are too much!! Too many chemicals today!!
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Well its good to know that with Bob Chicks undying efforts, in the crusade against huge guts..... total victory should be had sometime in 2045.
M!
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One explanation or factor which haven't been mentioned is IGF-1...
The body have a lot of IGF-1 and IGF-2 receptors in the GI tract (Gastrointestinal tract)...
When GH reaches the liver it signals the realease of IGF-1, IGF-2 and other growth factors as well..
And of course the high caloric intake of food releases GI peptides as gastrin, CCK, Secretin which all makes the other organs associated to macromolecular breakdown (pancreas, gallbladder, small intestine) to hypertrophy and even hyperplasia occurs.
This is as I said just could be one of the reasons for this diastasis abdominis guts (GH-Gut)..
It is more complex than my explanation but I have read a lot of nutrient physiology.
The more GH you take the more IGF-1 and IGF-2 the liver will release.. and not to forget insulin which has a huge part in "making of" these disgusting bellies.
I just shear my knowledge and if you guys find this to be bullshit I have no problem with it.
Just my 02 cents.
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One explanation or factor which haven't been mentioned is IGF-1...
The body have a lot of IGF-1 and IGF-2 receptors in the GI tract (Gastrointestinal tract)...
When GH reaches the liver it signals the realease of IGF-1, IGF-2 and other growth factors as well..
And of course the high caloric intake of food releases GI peptides as gastrin, CCK, Secretin which all makes the other organs associated to macromolecular breakdown (pancreas, gallbladder, small intestine) to hypertrophy and even hyperplasia occurs.
This is as I said just could be one of the reasons for this diastis abdominis guts (GH-Gut)..
It is more complex than my explanation but I have read a lot of nutrient physiology.
The more GH you take the more IGF-1 and IGF-2 the liver will release.. and not to forget insulin which has a huge part in "making of" these disgusting bellies.
I just shear my knowledge and if you guys find this to be bullshit I have no problem with it.
Just my 02 cents.
I believe that GH has can contribute to the GUT-EFFECT, but only at very high doses. I would imagine that we would have to start getting into the 10-12 I.U. over a substantial period of time before the IGF-1 release would affect things.
That said...I think GH is more responsible for GUTS by allowing one to eat way more calories while dieting, a constant food intake im sure would lead to a more distended stomach.
M!
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A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1
I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).
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Is Genius MJ15?
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A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1
I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).
This is most interesting... In the 16 years or so that I have followed bodybuilding I dont think I have ever heard a positive first hand account for direct IGF-1 use. Is there anyone on this board that has used it to good effect?
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It's using insulin while eating fat ... Hence palumbo
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A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1
I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).
What do you mean.."only a bit of acromegalia?' Does that mean your forehead and jaw only grew a little bit? How much deformity to your face would you consider acceptable? I guess having a face like a Neanderthal is a good trade off for a slightly lower bodyfat percentage.
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its insulin related not HGH
try both for yourself...
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It's a good thing that aesthetic bodybuilders like Dexter, Flex, and Victor have no guts.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/dexterjacksonsgut/3.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/flexwheelermassconstructiondvd/69.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/victormartinezdvd/158.JPG)
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What do you mean.."only a bit of acromegalia?' Does that mean your forehead and jaw only grew a little bit? How much deformity to your face would you consider acceptable? I guess having a face like a Neanderthal is a good trade off for a slightly lower bodyfat percentage.
The ChemistV2:
"My friend" was very responsive to hGH..
A little bit = The jaw got bigger, hands/fingers bigger, "his" feet grew and the thing that irritated him most was his NOSE! :-(
He got "manlier" features when on BUT!!! when off gear he looks like "boy" in comparence. Luckily - NO NEANDERTHAL look! Thank God.
When he stopped using hGH everything shrank except the feet, hands and NOSE! Goddamn it!
He wanted his Batman-jaw so bad to look even more masculine but the hGH screwed him on that one when off the gear! :)
All in all, it was not worth the money he spent! After the cycle he got bloated as a buffoon again.
IGF-1 was like dream.. everything was PERFECT - gain-wise!
Genius = NOT MJ15 or GH15
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The ChemistV2:
"My friend" was very responsive to hGH..
A little bit = The jaw got bigger, hands/fingers bigger, "his" feet grew and the thing that irritated him most was his NOSE! :-(
He got "manlier" features when on BUT!!! when off gear he looks like "boy" in comparence. Luckily - NO NEANDERTHAL look! Thank God.
When he stopped using hGH everything shrank except the feet, hands and NOSE! Goddamn it!
He wanted his Batman-jaw so bad to look even more masculine but the hGH screwed him on that one when off the gear! :)
All in all, it was not worth the money he spent! After the cycle he got bloated as a buffoon again.
IGF-1 was like dream.. everything was PERFECT - gain-wise!
Genius = NOT MJ15 or GH15
Interesting. Thanks for explaining that. Being in my mid forties now and finding it harder to get lean..even with 2 cardio sessions a day and a pretty clean diet..I've been tempted to eventually try a small dose of G.H.. Another option I'm considering are injectable G.H. releasing peptides...such as GH peptide 2, Hexarelin or GH peptide 6. There are Peptide labs that sell this and they have been shown in clinical studies to release a good amount of your own G.h. I have a theory that one's own genetically coded G.H. would interact with your own cells in a more healthful manner since it is DNA specific as opposed to synthetic recombinant G.H. plus these substances have been shown to enhance pituitary function rather than inhibit it.
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The ChemistV2:
I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!
2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.
I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.
You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts
I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!
Good Luck!
Take care!
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Bay says gh guts are soooo in right now.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72300.0;attach=336516;image)
OMFG. :-X
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The ChemistV2:
I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!
2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.
I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.
You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts
I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!
Good Luck!
Take care!
Thanks! You seem to know your compounds. I appreciate the info. I think you were right not to take both peptides at once. Probably taking one for a week or two and then when you noticed a smaller response from it..switching to the other..would be the best plan. That way you would avoid attenuation to the substance.
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The ChemistV2:
I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!
2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.
I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.
You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts
I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!
Good Luck!
Take care!
Did you actually check your blood glucose, on the GH especially?
Doesn't sound right that it made you essentially diabetic at 20iu a week. And made your feet, hands and nose grow! How old are you?
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Hypertrophy of the psoas major could be the reason - that`s why asafa powell also has some sort of `gut`... muscles presses directly against the intestines...
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and you wonder why I argue that the 2001 AC was NOT ronnie's best ever form..
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compare moron: ::)
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look at Ronnie's 99 olympia performance totally trumping the AC form.
wow.
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I think the 'GH gut' is a distant relative of the beer belly.
Where else in life do we witness men with distended guts yet showing few signs of fatness elsewhere ?
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Ronnie was pregnant with dexter in that pic
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and you wonder why I argue that the 2001 AC was NOT ronnie's best ever form..
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Because you're an idiot ;)
99 same gut not as hard or as dry = not his best
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Yeah Buddy ;D or should I say " Yeah Belly "
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72300.0;attach=336516;image)
LOL! Talk about a deer caught in headlights look. ;D
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Because you're an idiot ;)
99 same gut not as hard or as dry = not his best
not as much of a gut and harder and drier: ::)
thanks for playing :P
notice how much better Ronnie 99 is:
but ND is in clueless land..
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Worst gut of all epochs was either Jean-Pierre Fux at the 1996 European Grand Prix shows or Ronnie at the 2004 Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I think the 'GH gut' is a distant relative of the beer belly.
Where else in life do we witness men with distended guts yet showing few signs of fatness elsewhere ?
yes, both are caused by visceral fat, in between the internal organs
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NarcissisticDeity posted this picture of Ronnie's gut in 1999.
Naturally I stole it. ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=79933;image)
How is it that we are all so certain that it is the GH which causes the gut? I'm sure Gunter uses more GH than you can shake a stick at and his stomach is flat. A lot of other top pros have no problem in this area - e.g., Chris Cormier.
I have two friends who have never touched steroids, much less GH, and have distention. My stomach is such that I can't either suck it in or stick it out. It remains perpetually flat.
I think more than anything it is genetic. Or at the very least, you need a genetic predisposition in order to later develop a gut through GH use.
you can't suck your stomach in or push it out because you lack diaphragm control. It is a matter of coordination not anatomy.