Author Topic: "GH guts." (Read 25255 times)

Genius · « **Reply #50 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:24:08 PM »

One explanation or factor which haven't been mentioned is IGF-1...

The body have a lot of IGF-1 and IGF-2 receptors in the GI tract (Gastrointestinal tract)...

When GH reaches the liver it signals the realease of IGF-1, IGF-2 and other growth factors as well..

And of course the high caloric intake of food releases GI peptides as gastrin, CCK, Secretin which all makes the other organs associated to macromolecular breakdown (pancreas, gallbladder, small intestine) to hypertrophy and even hyperplasia occurs.

This is as I said just could be one of the reasons for this diastasis abdominis guts (GH-Gut)..

It is more complex than my explanation but I have read a lot of nutrient physiology.

The more GH you take the more IGF-1 and IGF-2 the liver will release.. and not to forget insulin which has a huge part in "making of" these disgusting bellies.

I just shear my knowledge and if you guys find this to be bullshit I have no problem with it.

Just my 02 cents.

Topskin69 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:41:40 PM »

Quote from: Genius on August 28, 2009, 07:24:08 PM

One explanation or factor which haven't been mentioned is IGF-1...

The body have a lot of IGF-1 and IGF-2 receptors in the GI tract (Gastrointestinal tract)...

When GH reaches the liver it signals the realease of IGF-1, IGF-2 and other growth factors as well..

And of course the high caloric intake of food releases GI peptides as gastrin, CCK, Secretin which all makes the other organs associated to macromolecular breakdown (pancreas, gallbladder, small intestine) to hypertrophy and even hyperplasia occurs.

This is as I said just could be one of the reasons for this diastis abdominis guts (GH-Gut)..

It is more complex than my explanation but I have read a lot of nutrient physiology.

The more GH you take the more IGF-1 and IGF-2 the liver will release.. and not to forget insulin which has a huge part in "making of" these disgusting bellies.

I just shear my knowledge and if you guys find this to be bullshit I have no problem with it.

Just my 02 cents.

I believe that GH has can contribute to the GUT-EFFECT, but only at very high doses. I would imagine that we would have to start getting into the 10-12 I.U. over a substantial period of time before the IGF-1 release would affect things.

That said...I think GH is more responsible for GUTS by allowing one to eat way more calories while dieting, a constant food intake im sure would lead to a more distended stomach.

M!

Genius · « **Reply #52 on:** August 28, 2009, 07:57:01 PM »

A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1

I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).

brooklynbruiser · « **Reply #53 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:14:09 PM »

Is Genius MJ15?

Topskin69 · « **Reply #54 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:15:56 PM »

Quote from: Genius on August 28, 2009, 07:57:01 PM

A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1

I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).

This is most interesting... In the 16 years or so that I have followed bodybuilding I dont think I have ever heard a positive first hand account for direct IGF-1 use. Is there anyone on this board that has used it to good effect?

TRIX · « **Reply #55 on:** August 28, 2009, 08:53:10 PM »

It's using insulin while eating fat ... Hence palumbo

The ChemistV2 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 28, 2009, 09:34:32 PM »

Quote from: Genius on August 28, 2009, 07:57:01 PM

A "friend of mine" took 50mcg IGF-1/day for 40 days - Noticed how the gut started to distent and lost some BF%
He took 4 iu hGH/5 day on, 2 day off for 4 months - Noticed only a bit of acromegalia and it shredded off a lot more BF% than IGF-1

I am with you when it comes to higher doses of GH to notice IGF-1 release in a long period of time.
(The amount of food is mentioned on the above post).

What do you mean.."only a bit of acromegalia?' Does that mean your forehead and jaw only grew a little bit? How much deformity to your face would you consider acceptable? I guess having a face like a Neanderthal is a good trade off for a slightly lower bodyfat percentage.

io856 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 28, 2009, 09:44:56 PM »

its insulin related not HGH

try both for yourself...

Matt C · « **Reply #58 on:** August 28, 2009, 09:49:00 PM »

It's a good thing that aesthetic bodybuilders like Dexter, Flex, and Victor have no guts.

Genius · « **Reply #59 on:** August 28, 2009, 10:16:19 PM »

Quote from: The ChemistV2 on August 28, 2009, 09:34:32 PM

What do you mean.."only a bit of acromegalia?' Does that mean your forehead and jaw only grew a little bit? How much deformity to your face would you consider acceptable? I guess having a face like a Neanderthal is a good trade off for a slightly lower bodyfat percentage.

The ChemistV2:

"My friend" was very responsive to hGH..

A little bit = The jaw got bigger, hands/fingers bigger, "his" feet grew and the thing that irritated him most was his NOSE! :-(

He got "manlier" features when on BUT!!! when off gear he looks like "boy" in comparence. Luckily - NO NEANDERTHAL look! Thank God.

When he stopped using hGH everything shrank except the feet, hands and NOSE! Goddamn it!

He wanted his Batman-jaw so bad to look even more masculine but the hGH screwed him on that one when off the gear!

All in all, it was not worth the money he spent! After the cycle he got bloated as a buffoon again.

IGF-1 was like dream.. everything was PERFECT - gain-wise!

Genius = NOT MJ15 or GH15

The ChemistV2 · « **Reply #60 on:** August 29, 2009, 08:13:58 AM »

Quote from: Genius on August 28, 2009, 10:16:19 PM

The ChemistV2:

"My friend" was very responsive to hGH..

A little bit = The jaw got bigger, hands/fingers bigger, "his" feet grew and the thing that irritated him most was his NOSE! :-(

He got "manlier" features when on BUT!!! when off gear he looks like "boy" in comparence. Luckily - NO NEANDERTHAL look! Thank God.

When he stopped using hGH everything shrank except the feet, hands and NOSE! Goddamn it!

He wanted his Batman-jaw so bad to look even more masculine but the hGH screwed him on that one when off the gear!

All in all, it was not worth the money he spent! After the cycle he got bloated as a buffoon again.

IGF-1 was like dream.. everything was PERFECT - gain-wise!

Genius = NOT MJ15 or GH15

Interesting. Thanks for explaining that. Being in my mid forties now and finding it harder to get lean..even with 2 cardio sessions a day and a pretty clean diet..I've been tempted to eventually try a small dose of G.H.. Another option I'm considering are injectable G.H. releasing peptides...such as GH peptide 2, Hexarelin or GH peptide 6. There are Peptide labs that sell this and they have been shown in clinical studies to release a good amount of your own G.h. I have a theory that one's own genetically coded G.H. would interact with your own cells in a more healthful manner since it is DNA specific as opposed to synthetic recombinant G.H. plus these substances have been shown to enhance pituitary function rather than inhibit it.

Genius · « **Reply #61 on:** August 29, 2009, 07:32:58 PM »

The ChemistV2:

I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!

2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.

I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.

You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts

I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!

Good Luck!

Take care!

NarcissisticDeity · « **Reply #62 on:** August 29, 2009, 07:41:43 PM »

245 pounds

HTexan · « **Reply #63 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:05:11 PM »

Bay says gh guts are soooo in right now.

Matt C · « **Reply #64 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:08:47 PM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 29, 2009, 07:41:43 PM

245 pounds

OMFG.

The ChemistV2 · « **Reply #65 on:** August 29, 2009, 09:12:23 PM »

Quote from: Genius on August 29, 2009, 07:32:58 PM

The ChemistV2:

I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!

2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.

I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.

You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts

I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!

Good Luck!

Take care!

Thanks! You seem to know your compounds. I appreciate the info. I think you were right not to take both peptides at once. Probably taking one for a week or two and then when you noticed a smaller response from it..switching to the other..would be the best plan. That way you would avoid attenuation to the substance.

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #66 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:56:08 AM »

Quote from: Genius on August 29, 2009, 07:32:58 PM

The ChemistV2:

I tried both GHRP-2 and GHRP-6.. it was a looong time ago but the only thing I noticed was hyperglycemia and thinner skin..took them ED for 2 months but not the both agonists at the same time.
I can't remember the doses but it worked!
I don't know how much of those mcg I took could be translated into iu (units).
Good stuff, though!

2 iu hGH/day for 3-4 months should be fine - increases lypolysis and gives good results with a low dose of AAS. I never took more than 4 iu/day, my vision got blurry and I couldn't focus.

I also believe that the these GHRH-agonists would be the best choice because it is your own "natural" hGH which should have better affinity/avidity for its receptors and avoid the amino- and carboxypeptidases circulating the blood and antibodies "capturing" the peptidehormone.

You can find a lot of info on the NCBI homepage (PubMed) = a lot of good articles that proves their potency = interesting facts

I hope this will help you on your way to enhance/better your body!

Good Luck!

Take care!

Did you actually check your blood glucose, on the GH especially?

Doesn't sound right that it made you essentially diabetic at 20iu a week. And made your feet, hands and nose grow! How old are you?

_bruce_ · « **Reply #67 on:** August 30, 2009, 03:20:52 AM »

Hypertrophy of the psoas major could be the reason - that`s why asafa powell also has some sort of `gut`... muscles presses directly against the intestines...

Hulkster · « **Reply #68 on:** August 30, 2009, 05:46:24 AM »

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 29, 2009, 07:41:43 PM

245 pounds

and you wonder why I argue that the 2001 AC was NOT ronnie's best ever form..

compare moron:

Hulkster · « **Reply #69 on:** August 30, 2009, 05:48:22 AM »

look at Ronnie's 99 olympia performance totally trumping the AC form.

wow.

pedro01 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 30, 2009, 06:03:44 AM »

I think the 'GH gut' is a distant relative of the beer belly.

Where else in life do we witness men with distended guts yet showing few signs of fatness elsewhere ?