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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2006, 01:51:30 AM »
I asked the same question a while ago and asked where is the proof of GH causing the so called GH gut. There is none - only what some surmise to be the result of GH. I have a big gut - always have had - never used GH - have used gear (but never insulin). Even when I trained my abs really hard and had a decent mid section I still had a muscular kind of distention about my upper abdominal area. i can lessen it by sucking in as hard as I could but if I was breathing at all heavy then no way could I hold em in all the time.
Friends of mine used massive quantities of GH over the years and I can't think of any of them that have huge bellies.
I'll wager it could be any or all of the following - insulin, excessive carbs, muscular structure, maybe even GH - but to say it is just the result of GH - bullshit.

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« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2006, 11:22:25 AM »
I asked the same question a while ago and asked where is the proof of GH causing the so called GH gut. There is none - only what some surmise to be the result of GH. I have a big gut - always have had - never used GH - have used gear (but never insulin).

Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen.  No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin.  But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens.   You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this.  Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen.  It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading.  Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning.   It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did.  They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s.   What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.

Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.

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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2006, 12:32:21 PM »
Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen.  No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin.  But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens.   You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this.  Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen.  It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading.  Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning.   It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did.  They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s.   What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.

Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.

Can we say that GH makes different organs grow at different rates?

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2006, 12:36:52 PM »
Can we say that GH makes different organs grow at different rates?

we can say for sure that your brain doesn't grow. otherwise pro bb's would also be our best politicians, muhahahaha

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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2006, 05:35:31 PM »
The friend of mine in the pic I posted of us doing the back double biceps has a distended stomach and he has never touched a roid in his life and has only been bodybuilding for a year.
He is also relatively lean and still has a gut that sticks out.  If he went down to 3% body fat he would also have a gut.  I'm surprised that no bodybuilder pre-1991 (or whatever arbitrary year the ironage ended) did not have a gut.  Yet thinking back, I don't recall any.

yes there are people who naturally have distended abdomens.  it means their rib cage is not big enough for their internal organs.  if your friend had competed as a bodybuilder in the 70s or 80s, odds are he would have been judged down because of it and would not have been able to be a top bodybuilder.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2006, 07:25:31 PM »
Tim - well explained. Point taken.

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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2006, 07:31:31 PM »
 The old guys must have just held their stomachs in better. It's unlikely that none of them had any natural distension.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2006, 07:36:11 PM »
Lucius I'm an old guy and I still can't hold my damn gut in  ;D

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2006, 07:50:08 PM »
oh my Lord
hey to those who claim that the gut is from eating a lot of food, you sound retarded

 ;D I agree.


FWIW... Just one IFBB Pro could spend the $1,200 and have an MRI done and we could actually find the truth behind the madness. Com'on... somebody do it.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2006, 11:03:11 PM »
Lucius I'm an old guy and I still can't hold my damn gut in  ;D

  Hahahahahaha.....I'll be like you soon. ;D I've had a gut since I was kid; every time I eat or drink too much, it's huge ;D

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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2006, 11:21:32 PM »
Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen.  No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin.  But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens.   You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this.  Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen.  It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading.  Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning.   It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did.  They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s.   What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.

Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.
You seem hell bent on blaming it on GH/Slin. But it's not just that combo. Overeating, power movements, huge carb ups, pgf2a....the list goes on add to the fact all the lbs of unprocessed meat and something is bound to stick out.
Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2006, 11:25:55 PM »
You seem hell bent on blaming it on GH/Slin. But it's not just that combo. Overeating, power movements, huge carb ups, pgf2a....the list goes on add to the fact all the lbs of unprocessed meat and something is bound to stick out.
Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.

 For some reason the guy is obsessed with gh. Maybe it killed his brother ;D

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« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2006, 12:05:15 AM »
Back in the 60's 70's bodybuilders carbed up BUT they did so lightly and over the course of days not through pre prep glucose dripsand stacks of panckaes with a cup of syrup.

wanna bet.  everything regarding nutrition that bodybuilders are doing today, someone was doing back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

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« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2006, 12:07:51 AM »
wanna bet.  everything regarding nutrition that bodybuilders are doing today, someone was doing back in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s.

  But that person didn't necessarily know how effective it was.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2006, 12:11:59 AM »
For some reason the guy is obsessed with gh. Maybe it killed his brother ;D

if it did, it would be no laughing matter.

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« Reply #40 on: May 22, 2006, 12:28:27 AM »
if it did, it would be no laughing matter.

  That's true :-\

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #41 on: May 22, 2006, 12:31:42 AM »
I miss the days of Usenet kill files.  Surely someone has created a plugin for SMF.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #42 on: May 22, 2006, 10:04:09 AM »
Yes, there are many people who's rib cage is too small for their internal organs and therefore have a distended abdomen.  No one is claiming that that's from GH or insulin.  But pretty much every top bodybuilder since the early 1990s, pro and amateur have distended abdomens.   You cannot find a single pic of a top bodybuilder, pro or amateur, with it prior to this.  Something changed in the early 1990s that cause most all of them to develop the distended abdomen.  It wasn't the amount of food they eat, it wasn't carbo loading.  Bodybuilders have been doing that since the beginning.   It wasn't the type or amount of steroids they did.  They were doing massive amounts in the 1970s and 1980s.   What did change was rHGH became widely available in the late 1980s and they started adding insulin to the mix in the 1990s.

Correlation is not causation, but sometimes it is the best explanation.

I said the same thing in a similar thread several weeks ago. The huge guts weren't there 15, 20, 30 years ago - and guys back then were no strangers to heavy training and eating, carb loading, cavalier roid usage (Pete Grymkowski and others), etc.

Also, the top guys 15 or more years ago tended to have a different look to their muscles compared to many of the guys today. The harder, denser (if smaller) muscle quality guys had back then was different (better IMO) than the "spongy" look many guys started showing onstage in the past decade or so. I believe the lack of the appearance of muscular hardness and density is also largely chemically related, although I guess some of it may be attributed to genetics, diet, and training. 

Saying that the cause of these guts nowadays is mainly due to heavy eating and heavy training (and not primarily chemical) is similar IMO in a way to the magazines saying that better eating, training, and otc supplementation are the main reasons bodybuilders have gotten larger over time. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #43 on: May 22, 2006, 10:10:53 AM »
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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #44 on: May 22, 2006, 10:15:18 AM »
The friend of mine in the pic I posted of us doing the back double biceps has a distended stomach and he has never touched a roid in his life and has only been bodybuilding for a year.

He is also relatively lean and still has a gut that sticks out.  If he went down to 3% body fat he would also have a gut.  I'm surprised that no bodybuilder pre-1991 (or whatever arbitrary year the ironage ended) did not have a gut.  Yet thinking back, I don't recall any.

Benaziza and Gaspari were the first I remember. (And before you all say, "Gaspari had ripped abs!" watch the Mr. O video from 1986 (or was it 1987?). When he's not controlling it. the thing is pretty big. Not Coleman or Benaziza big, but still distended.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #45 on: August 28, 2009, 06:30:16 PM »

This is perhaps the question of the ages... hopefully everyone is savvy enough now to realize that Insulin is the main culprit behind the guts. This combined with the much higher total caloric intake that one can ingest while still losing fat, (due to high doses of GH and T3).

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2009, 06:41:29 PM »
NarcissisticDeity posted this picture of Ronnie's gut in 1999.

Naturally I stole it.   ;D



How is it that we are all so certain that it is the GH which causes the gut?  I'm sure Gunter uses more GH than you can shake a stick at and his stomach is flat.  A lot of other top pros have no problem in this area - e.g., Chris Cormier.

I have two friends who have never touched steroids, much less GH, and have distention.  My stomach is such that I can't either suck it in or stick it out.  It remains perpetually flat.

I think more than anything it is genetic.  Or at the very least, you need a genetic predisposition in order to later develop a gut through GH use.


Some more roid gut pics:

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #47 on: August 28, 2009, 06:49:03 PM »

Thats a damn shame about Deangelis...he has a great looking physique there, and the massive gut just ruins it.

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Re: "GH guts."
« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2009, 07:03:46 PM »
Mass Monsters are increadable to see but, holy shit!! The stomachs are too much!! Too many chemicals today!!

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« Reply #49 on: August 28, 2009, 07:21:11 PM »

Well its good to know that with Bob Chicks undying efforts, in the crusade against huge guts..... total victory should be had sometime in 2045.

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