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Title: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 20, 2006, 07:26:10 PM
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Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rocket on May 20, 2006, 07:28:37 PM
Pictures do not tell the full story, watching the posing live it was clear.  DJ was both softer and sporting heinous gut. 

Congratulations on picking the best ones that somewhat might further your case though.

Like the guy, but don't agree with you.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Ex Coelis on May 20, 2006, 07:29:17 PM
his gut was too big - it was too big a the O and too big tonight
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: tweeter on May 20, 2006, 07:31:34 PM
Darrem was clearly better if you watched prejudging. David Henry should have beaten Dennis also.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: body88 on May 20, 2006, 07:32:13 PM
Charles looks flat.... the placings were spot on. Phil won it fair and square
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 20, 2006, 07:35:56 PM
agreed dennis needs to get his gut under control and could have been a bit sharper...charles has holes also...weak hams, calves....dennis extreme muscularity overpowers him...this is still a muscle contest and should be about more than who has the tightest waistline.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: delta9mda on May 20, 2006, 07:39:19 PM
hello james has about no lats and the rest is huge, do the math.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: body88 on May 20, 2006, 07:39:43 PM
agreed dennis needs to get his gut under control and could have been a bit sharper...charles has holes also...weak hams, calves....dennis extreme muscularity overpowers him...this is still a muscle contest and should be about more than who has the tightest waistline.
If it was all about the muscle size Kovaks would have been MR O long ago
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rocket on May 20, 2006, 07:40:29 PM
agreed dennis needs to get his gut under control and could have been a bit sharper...charles has holes also...weak hams, calves....dennis extreme muscularity overpowers him...this is still a muscle contest and should be about more than who has the tightest waistline.

It doesn't look like in that picture darrem was fully posed (hams).

All of those pictures are hardly his strongpoints aswell.  DJ looked clearly less conditioned than the whole top 5 in my opinion.

It was pretty funny to see him completely obliterate david henry though.  Henry looks awesome until he's standing side by side with 4 guys who have serious size on him.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Bones on May 20, 2006, 07:41:44 PM
Pictures do not tell the full story, watching the posing live it was clear.  DJ was both softer and sporting heinous gut. 

Congratulations on picking the best ones that somewhat might further your case though.

Like the guy, but don't agree with you.
  I second that...he looks good in these pics but live he looked smooth.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 21, 2006, 05:42:20 AM
If it was all about the muscle size Kovaks would have been MR O long ago

thats crazy...kovaks got one of the worst structures ever to step on stage.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rudylrichards on May 21, 2006, 08:06:12 AM
Pictures do not tell the full story, watching the posing live it was clear.  DJ was both softer and sporting heinous gut. 

Congratulations on picking the best ones that somewhat might further your case though.

Like the guy, but don't agree with you.
I was thinking the exact same thing.  In those pic's he actually deserves to win. In person, he should have been at best 4th. The loudest boo's was when Henry was announced 4th, he was clearly better than James.  Sorry jmt, I hate to sound like one of the hater's but his gut was really, really out of control.  The pics you posted had o be the absolute best you could find to "further your case"
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Stavios on May 21, 2006, 08:11:13 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing.  In those pic's he actually deserves to win. In person, he should have been at best 4th. The loudest boo's was when Henry was announced 4th, he was clearly better than James.  Sorry jmt, I hate to sound like one of the hater's but his gut was really, really out of control.  The pics you posted had o be the absolute best you could find to "further your case"

Agree, Dennis wasn't on

Your boy rodney must be pissed right now. is he competing at the montreal pro ?
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: body88 on May 21, 2006, 08:12:06 AM
thats crazy...kovaks got one of the worst structures ever to step on stage.

I know can you imagine if only muscle size and weight dertermined who won a show.....

Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: thisiskeith12 on May 21, 2006, 08:12:39 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing.  In those pic's he actually deserves to win. In person, he should have been at best 4th. The loudest boo's was when Henry was announced 4th, he was clearly better than James.  Sorry jmt, I hate to sound like one of the hater's but his gut was really, really out of control.  The pics you posted had o be the absolute best you could find to "further your case"

Henry seems to be in his year of being screwed.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Palpatine Q on May 21, 2006, 08:12:43 AM
Dennis James is an over-rated blob of wax. I hope the judging trend continues and we can say goodbye to the gut-builders once and for all. It would be better for the sport in the long haul.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Bear on May 21, 2006, 08:13:43 AM
If it was all about the muscle size Kovaks would have been MR O long ago

haha! He doesn't have any! If you mean weight then that's different a different story, but he has non existant muscle bellies, he's just tall and wide. As thick as a leaf.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: sarcasm on May 21, 2006, 08:14:01 AM
from the looks of those pics none of those guys have heard of back training.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Stavios on May 21, 2006, 08:15:41 AM
what's up with darrem, he is really off from the back compared to his standarts
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Bigger Business on May 21, 2006, 08:17:24 AM
DJ desearved first

The NY was lucky to have him compete
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: sarcasm on May 21, 2006, 08:19:13 AM
DJ desearved first

The NY was lucky to have him compete
i agree with you here, Dennis was wider, bigger and more complete especially from the back, it should have been him first and Phil second.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Stavios on May 21, 2006, 08:20:56 AM
i agree with you here, Dennis was wider, bigger and more complete especially from the back, it should have been him first and Phil second.

"Daynis did nout have a friken stryachun !"

Gustavo Badell
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 21, 2006, 08:21:17 AM
I was thinking the exact same thing.  In those pic's he actually deserves to win. In person, he should have been at best 4th. The loudest boo's was when Henry was announced 4th, he was clearly better than James.  Sorry jmt, I hate to sound like one of the hater's but his gut was really, really out of control.  The pics you posted had o be the absolute best you could find to "further your case"

i agree that dj has to get better control of his gut...but darrem has holes also...what about his lack of thickness from the back?  poor hams?  weak calves?  why doesnt anyone mention that?  djs overwhelming muscularity has to be taken into consideration...as good as dave henry looked when he stands next to dj there is no contest...this is still a muscle contest and shouldnt be about who has the tightest midsection...dj could also have been a bit sharper but darrem was not spot on either...heath deserved to win because he was the most complete bodybuilder on stage but dj should have be 2nd.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Stavios on May 21, 2006, 08:22:27 AM
What is weird with Phil is that he looks about 25 pounds heavier that he really his in that pose  :o


(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72838.0;attach=80344;image)
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: sarcasm on May 21, 2006, 08:24:12 AM
i can't believe how small Darrem looks there.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Bigger Business on May 21, 2006, 08:24:30 AM
i agree with you here, Dennis was wider, bigger and more complete especially from the back, it should have been him first and Phil second.

Do you consider DJ '1st tier'?
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Stavios on May 21, 2006, 08:26:15 AM
i can't believe how small Darrem looks there.

YES, he looks really small in that pose compared to dennis and phil
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: sarcasm on May 21, 2006, 08:26:21 AM
Do you consider DJ '1st tier'?
a few years ago i would have said yes but lately i'd put him at the very top of the second tier now that Mustafa, Branch and Gustavo have improved so much.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: DK II on May 21, 2006, 08:26:31 AM
Heath absolutely owns that most muscular. When you see that, Kevin Levrone comes to mind.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 21, 2006, 12:14:58 PM
yes DJ is a 1st tier bodybuilder.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: 420 Diesel on May 21, 2006, 12:30:41 PM
i think darrem's shape is way overrated.  his muscles don't have much "pop," his triceps have high insertions, his lats have a funky shape, his quads lack sweep and his physique just lacks flow in general.

just my opinion.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: jmt1 on May 21, 2006, 12:53:09 PM
i think darrem's shape is way overrated.  his muscles don't have much "pop," his triceps have high insertions, his lats have a funky shape, his quads lack sweep and his physique just lacks flow in general.

just my opinion.

i agree...he also lacks thickness from the back and has weak hams and calves.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 08:05:41 PM
i think darrem's shape is way overrated.  his muscles don't have much "pop," his triceps have high insertions, his lats have a funky shape, his quads lack sweep and his physique just lacks flow in general.

just my opinion.

 Don't forget....synthol ::)
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 09:23:29 PM
I know can you imagine if only muscle size and weight dertermined who won a show.....



Then victor richards would be Mr. Olympia and Ronnie will still be his bitch
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 09:25:05 PM
Then victor richards would be Mr. Olympia and Ronnie will still be his bitch

 Victor Richards would have to compete to win ::)  ::)   ;D
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 09:26:05 PM
Victor Richards would have to compete to win ::)  ::)   ;D

If the competition was solely based on that, he would.. LOL
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 09:28:33 PM
If the competition was solely based on that, he would.. LOL

  He'd lose to a bloated 350 pound Kovacs ;D
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 09:30:25 PM
  He'd lose to a bloated 350 pound Kovacs ;D

That would a "very close battle"
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: gcb on May 21, 2006, 09:43:32 PM
DJ is freaky huge and yes he might have been higher and is wide from the back - but the guy has incredibly high lat insertions or is lacking real lat development - especially from what I have seen of the NY pro.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: BDsauce on May 21, 2006, 10:27:25 PM
Heath absolutely owns that most muscular. When you see that, Kevin Levrone comes to mind.

Yeah ok..... ::)

(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0484.jpg) (http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0473.jpg) (http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0454.jpg)
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 10:30:47 PM
Yeah ok..... ::)

(http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0484.jpg) (http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0473.jpg) (http://www.flexonline.com/06contests/06ny/comps/images/FDBE0454.jpg)

  DJ's waist looks really tight there :o
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rudylrichards on May 21, 2006, 10:57:43 PM
Agree, Dennis wasn't on

Your boy rodney must be pissed right now. is he competing at the montreal pro ?
He was disappointed. I didn't see the prejudging. At the night show, I thought he had spilled over a bit, base on how he looked at the night show I thought his placing was about right.

Don't think he's doing the montreal.  I know he wants to qualify for the O though.  Think he's planning on doing the Atlantic city show.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 11:15:02 PM
  DJ's waist looks really tight there :o

from the front yes.. but try looking from the side..
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rudylrichards on May 21, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
i agree that dj has to get better control of his gut...but darrem has holes also...what about his lack of thickness from the back?  poor hams?  weak calves?  why doesnt anyone mention that?  djs overwhelming muscularity has to be taken into consideration...as good as dave henry looked when he stands next to dj there is no contest...this is still a muscle contest and shouldnt be about who has the tightest midsection...dj could also have been a bit sharper but darrem was not spot on either...heath deserved to win because he was the most complete bodybuilder on stage but dj should have be 2nd.
You make some good points, I agree with about 1/2 of them.  Darrem definitely has flaws.  From the back he was flat. Henry is much smaller than DJ and couldn't beat him at his best. I think if DJ was peaked he could have won th show by dwafing everyone else.

Seeing those pic's don't even come close to telling the whole story.  seeing them side by side in person was totally different from looking at the comparison shot's here.  The only placing that got booed was henry's. speaking to a lot of people at the show, a majority felt  he should have been at least 3rd.

I'm as much a fan of mass monsters as you are.  You're right, it's not just about a tiny waist but it's also not just about muscles.  it's a total package, you cannot ignore the distension on dj. I think th other guys had less flws on that night than DJ.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 11:17:39 PM
from the front yes.. but try looking from the side..

  Did he at least control it? :-\
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 11:25:44 PM
  Did he at least control it? :-\

he tried but end up looking like Ronnie's gut
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 11:27:03 PM
he tried but end up looking like Ronnie's gut

  That's really bad :-X
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: ARMZ on May 21, 2006, 11:32:09 PM
The real placings that they didn't tell you about... 


1.   D. James

2.   D. Charles

3.   P. Heath
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 21, 2006, 11:34:18 PM
  That's really bad :-X

(http://www.bodybuilding.spb.ru/offic/pic/james03.jpg)

(http://body.builder.hu/videos/starprofile/Dennis_James_muscletime_preview_01.jpg)
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 21, 2006, 11:34:54 PM
The real placings that they didn't tell you about... 


1.   D. James

2.   D. Charles

3.   P. Heath

    
      2.   D. Charles......synthol ::)
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: sculpture on May 22, 2006, 01:50:26 AM
Great midsection. Not
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Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 22, 2006, 03:09:34 AM
Shredded bloated abs
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rocket on May 22, 2006, 03:12:08 AM
As I say, the pictures tell barely anything of the story.  His midsection was pretty bad between poses.  I mean it doesn't look all that good when he's posed either.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: ironneck on May 22, 2006, 05:00:04 AM
not so nice
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Bolo on May 22, 2006, 05:58:49 AM
ima DJ fan....if he was ripped......he shoulda got 1st...but since he wasnt...i woulda had david henry higher than him
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: HowieW on May 22, 2006, 06:06:29 AM
Darrem was clearly better if you watched prejudging; David Henry should have beaten Dennis also
DJ wqs way too smooth and his waist too puffy. I might have given Henry the nod over him now that you mention it. Toss up between Heath and Darrem however.
Howard
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: rocket on May 22, 2006, 06:12:02 AM
Henry was never going to go well in that final 5

Honestly he was dwarfed big time by every other guy.  It was pretty funny seeing side shots.  I wish someone would have capped the thing and cut it to illustrate these points.  Anybody who watched DJs routine and previously went by pics only would very likely have to concede his placing was fair.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: HUGEPECS on May 22, 2006, 07:07:30 AM
does anybody knows what's Dennis weigh at the new york pro, cause he certainly dwarf a lot of these other dudes
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: LuciusFox on May 22, 2006, 04:47:46 PM
Great midsection. Not
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 Midsection looks very detailed. It is a little bloated, though.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Kaliym73 on May 22, 2006, 04:57:11 PM
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Pictures do not tell the full story, watching the posing live it was clear.  DJ was both softer and sporting heinous gut.
DJ is huge, but so is his gut.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: ARMZ on May 22, 2006, 04:58:59 PM
His stomach is closer to the camera..
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Naked4Jesus on May 23, 2006, 07:25:35 AM
His stomach is closer to the camera..

Yeah, that's what I got from that picture of Dennis too.  Some people never learn.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: phyxsius on May 23, 2006, 07:27:16 AM
His stomach is closer to the camera..

that never gets old..  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: bigdumbbell on May 23, 2006, 07:29:40 AM
the 3 of them look tall because they're all short
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: Mars on May 23, 2006, 07:32:36 AM
Yes Darrem looks very tiny next to Heath and James.
Title: Re: DJ deserved 2nd
Post by: JeanPaul on May 23, 2006, 11:12:34 AM
DJ looked great wehn he was with Chad. Working with Milos he gets worse. Just like Luke.