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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: sarcasm on June 01, 2006, 07:28:58 PM
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
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Yeah but you curl 145 pounds lol so its safe to say your opinion doesn't mean much. ;D
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sarcasm eats a whole big mac so he can grow - what a beast
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sarcasm eats a whole big mac so he can grow - what a beast
I hear he likes extra cheese on his!
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
Keep in mind that anabolic steroids drastically accelerate protein synthesis.
The bloated stomachs are a byproduct of drugs, not food.
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I found this picture of sarcasm on the net - there is no way he curls 145
lmao oh man thats terrible.
yes i think they are probably overfed. the magazines certainly exaggerrate how much you need to eat.
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
good post
tehy are definitely eating too much and I believe this causes them to take on vast amounts of IAF (intra-abdominal fat). They end up dieting long enough to lose the subcutaneous fat but they never get rid of the IAF and each year they accumulate a little more until one year it is just obviously out of control and they have developed giant "GH guts"
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I think people just dont want to accept the fact that muscle takes TIME to build. People feel good if they can toss on 15 lbs in a relivley short amount off time. Bottom line is you only need so many cals to build muscle. So yes I think these guys over eat.
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i saw a piece on fox news today... ppl that eat 1000 calories per day could in theory, by blood comp algorithms, live 50% longer than those of us who eat much more.
I dunno if weighing 120 pounds can really be considered 'living', though.
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hmm but you got guys like meso that only eat two meals a day and look pretty good at 150 so.. its possible!
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On a serious note ...
Yeah it is easier to put on muscle when you are gaining weight and the extra protein makes sure that your body always has the required building blocks, but I too am not sure it is necessary to consume the amount of protein these guys take in. For most of us who aren't competeing and don't want to be as big as some of these guys it is not necessary.
Also the extra protein can be really hard on the kidneys.
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I agree alot of the pro's are drastically over-fed.
Shit, alot of people on these boards are too!
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They end up dieting long enough to lose the subcutaneous fat but they never get rid of the IAF and each year they accumulate a little more until one year it is just obviously out of control and they have developed giant "GH guts"
Actually the "IAF" aka visceral fat is the first to be metabolized on a diet. It's the first fat to go.
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
I dunno about it being the main reason, but the current protein obsession is brutal.
Carbs are easier for the body to use as energy. It's all about choosing the right kind of carbs.
I'm sure Milos can tell you more on this. ;D
But eating more than 300 g proteins per day? That's bullshit.
YIP
Zack
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I found this picture of sarcasm on the net - there is no way he curls 145
That's not classy at all, shame on you.
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I dunno about it being the main reason, but the current protein obsession is brutal.
Carbs are easier for the body to use as energy. It's all about choosing the right kind of carbs.
I'm sure Milos can tell you more on this. ;D
But eating more than 300 g proteins per day? That's bullshit.
YIP
Zack
i dunno... with shakes i get 300 or more some days... not really that hard to do
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i dunno... with shakes i get 300 or more some days... not really that hard to do
I meant, the need for more than 300 grams of protein? Bullshit!
YIP
Zack
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I meant, the need for more than 300 grams of protein? Bullshit!
YIP
Zack
yeah, i htink you're right... there is also a lot of evidence that bodybuilding causes increased protein utilization, meaning that we might need less than non-bbers because our bodies absorb it more efficiently... one way or the other 600g, expecially if it's all food, is stupid
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Any more than a gram of protein per lb of LMB is a waste of calories that could be in the form of carbs which are more anabolic anyway. UNLESS you are dieting, then maybe 1.5g of protein per lb of LBM would help you.
Don't be delusional with your protein. Excessive protein lowers test levels, which hurts your gains and recovery even more than inadequate protein intake!
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i saw a piece on fox news today... ppl that eat 1000 calories per day could in theory, by blood comp algorithms, live 50% longer than those of us who eat much more.
I dunno if weighing 120 pounds can really be considered 'living', though.
That's caloric restriction, The problem is the extra time you gain is spent on your meals that have a certain buildup over 2-3 hours. The years you win are at the end of your life, qualitywise the least of them all. Don't bother, eat healthy, and LIVE!
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i saw a piece on fox news today... ppl that eat 1000 calories per day could in theory, by blood comp algorithms, live 50% longer than those of us who eat much more.
I dunno if weighing 120 pounds can really be considered 'living', though.
for perspective...
120lbs
is more than
you would weight on stage
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for perspective...
120lbs
is more than
you would weight on stage
Too harsh man.
I think he would weigh around 165-175 in ripped condition.
YIP
Zack
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Any more than a gram of protein per lb of LMB is a waste of calories that could be in the form of carbs which are more anabolic anyway. UNLESS you are dieting, then maybe 1.5g of protein per lb of LBM would help you.
Don't be delusional with your protein. Excessive protein lowers test levels, which hurts your gains and recovery even more than inadequate protein intake!
Utter garbage; BB is a rich man's sport because you need copious amounts of protein and calories if you want to maintain, and then build upon even, huge amounts of muscle, you need to eat BIG. I don't care if you are natural or not, 400g of high quality, whole food protein is the bare minimum for any top pro worth his salt, and even that is a pitiable amount. I would shoot for close to 600g of protein and 5000 calories a day. Carbs being more more anabolic than protein, the building blocks of the body and muscle? Ok, hahaha! Excessiuve protein lowers test levels? ::) These jokers all want to hear that you can build a championship-calibre physique on a low (in BB terms) food intake and no money, and if you folks keep on buying into this drivel, bullcrap is what will be the defining trait of your "physiques". Look at Mark Dugdale and how small he is in relation to Ronnie who chows down 4500-6500 cals a day; grab the latest copy of European Flex and check out Mark's appallingly low protein and total cal intakes, even in the offseason (no added bulk there on 325 g of protein daily!) , and sparse post-workout protein intake. Carbs and good fats have their supplementary places but protein must always be the cornerstone (50% at least) of the diet; you need all 3 components with protein being the main course, carbs coming second, then your good fats. Throw the friggin' Glutamine and BCAA supplements outta da window and get yourself some beef steak now, will you? You need to have good meal portion sizes, timing, organisation and good bacteria to digest all this chow too...BB is a tough sport! No wonder fellows like Alexxx can't grow when their daily diets won't suffice to feed me for a few hours , in the morning! As Lee Haney said, "you can't train like a horse, and eat like a bird!" Now, for all who will hed this message, monster gains lie in store.
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I dunno about it being the main reason, but the current protein obsession is brutal.
Carbs are easier for the body to use as energy. It's all about choosing the right kind of carbs.
I'm sure Milos can tell you more on this. ;D
But eating more than 300 g proteins per day? That's bullshit.
YIP
Zack
Why ask Milos? Apparently he had Dennis James on 580 g of protein leading up to the contest in his first training video.
All I could think was 600g of protein a day!!!!! Say good bye to your kidney function.
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Alot of BB are overfed dick on a regular basis....Like all the guys who lift at Colesium Gym
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Don't be delusional with your protein. Excessive protein lowers test levels, which hurts your gains and recovery even more than inadequate protein intake!
Can you direct me to any studies or scientific literature that back that up? I don't doubt that excessive protein (or excessive anything, for that matter) can be harmful, but I would like to know how much protein is enough to consistently lower test levels in a given sample population of bodybuilders / weight trainers. And I would certainly hope that any such study would take reasonable measures to rule out any other possible causes of lowered test (drug use, etc) in the subjects.
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Why ask Milos? Apparently he had Dennis James on 580 g of protein leading up to the contest in his first training video.
All I could think was 600g of protein a day!!!!! Say good bye to your kidney function.
Exactly why it would be interesting to see what Milos think today. And if he still feels 500+ grams are cool... 8)
YIP
Zack
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i saw a piece on fox news today... ppl that eat 1000 calories per day could in theory, by blood comp algorithms, live 50% longer than those of us who eat much more.
I dunno if weighing 120 pounds can really be considered 'living', though.
you need to get out more
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
You know, this is a good point, because I find, eating less, I llok better. I am not sure either, whether it is neccessary or not. I also think alot of guys are full of shit about what they eat. I think they exaggerate......
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Well after you get sick of eating the normal stuff to get your "suggested" protein intake when following the 1.5-2 grams per bodywieght, you need to "supplement" the remainder of what ever number of grams of protein left with a protein shake. Protein shakes are made by companies that advertise in BB magazines, thus BB magazinse write articles on nutrition tell the reader that in order to look like this you need to eat this many grams of protein. Then they go on further to show an example with the shakes included ..
ie Muscletech.com
Jay's Sample Contest Diet
“This is the contest diet I followed as I prepared for the 2004 Arnold Classic. Please note that I eat every 2˝ hours unless otherwise noted.”
Wake Up
Cardio: One hour (stairmill)
Meal 1: 10 egg whites with 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, and 1 serving of NITRO-TECH® protein powder
Meal 2: 8 oz. fish (sole), broccoli, asparagus, and ˝ cup cooked brown rice
Train: Weight training
Supplementation: Two servings of NITRO-TECH protein powder
Meal 3: (One hour later) 10 oz. turkey breast, 1 cup cooked oats
Meal 4: 10 oz. fish (sole), broccoli, asparagus, and 1 serving of NITRO-TECH protein powder
Meal 5: 12 oz. fish (sole) and 1 cup cooked brown rice
Cardio: One hour
Meal 6: 12 oz. fish (sole) and a large salad with balsamic vinegar
Its all about making a NEED in the MARKET for the CONSUMER to PURCHASE more SUPPLEMENTS.
Then there are guys like Sergio Olvia who ate like crap and enjoyed Pizza and Coke and became monsters.
Danny Padilla only comsumed like 90 grams a day.
Hmmmmm Why is it when I get ISOPURE which has 40grams of protein , it meets 80% of what I need in a balanced diet ??
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Well after you get sick of eating the normal stuff to get your "suggested" protein intake when following the 1.5-2 grams per bodywieght, you need to "supplement" the remainder of what ever number of grams of protein left with a protein shake. Protein shakes are made by companies that advertise in BB magazines, thus BB magazinse write articles on nutrition tell the reader that in order to look like this you need to eat this many grams of protein. Then they go on further to show an example with the shakes included ..
ie Muscletech.com
Jay's Sample Contest Diet
“This is the contest diet I followed as I prepared for the 2004 Arnold Classic. Please note that I eat every 2˝ hours unless otherwise noted.”
Wake Up
Cardio: One hour (stairmill)
Meal 1: 10 egg whites with 2 whole eggs, 1 cup oatmeal, and 1 serving of NITRO-TECH® protein powder
Meal 2: 8 oz. fish (sole), broccoli, asparagus, and ˝ cup cooked brown rice
Train: Weight training
Supplementation: Two servings of NITRO-TECH protein powder
Meal 3: (One hour later) 10 oz. turkey breast, 1 cup cooked oats
Meal 4: 10 oz. fish (sole), broccoli, asparagus, and 1 serving of NITRO-TECH protein powder
Meal 5: 12 oz. fish (sole) and 1 cup cooked brown rice
Cardio: One hour
Meal 6: 12 oz. fish (sole) and a large salad with balsamic vinegar
Its all about making a NEED in the MARKET for the CONSUMER to PURCHASE more SUPPLEMENTS.
Then there are guys like Sergio Olvia who ate like crap and enjoyed Pizza and Coke and became monsters.
Danny Padilla only comsumed like 90 grams a day.
Hmmmmm Why is it when I get ISOPURE which has 40grams of protein , it meets 80% of what I need in a balanced diet ??
exactamundo.
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exactamundo.
Ditto.....
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Ditto.....
yeah the diet they've got listed for you on the nutrition board sounds right for a guy your size, 11 or 12 eggwhites, 2 and a half or three pounds of meat and a couple of shakes per day and even that sounds like a lot but you've got like 245-250 pounds of lean mass to feed.
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Shari eats some meals at mc donalds.
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yeah the diet they've got listed for you on the nutrition board sounds right for a guy your size, 11 or 12 eggwhites, 2 and a half or three pounds of meat and a couple of shakes per day and even that sounds like a lot but you've got like 245-250 pounds of lean mass to feed.
right, and some days, I can't even eat that....It's real work. I'm telling you.
On mayhem, they are talking about Gary Strydom saying he used to eat 1000 calories per meal, 7 times a day. Well that is bullshit, because I used to eat with him, all the time when I lived in venice. He lived across the street from the firehouse, and I personally have seen him eat, many, many meals that were less that that.
considerably less.
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right, and some days, I can't even eat that....It's real work. I'm telling you.
On mayhem, they are talking about Gary Strydom saying he used to eat 1000 calories per meal, 7 times a day. Well that is bullshit, because I used to eat with him, all the time when I lived in venice. He lived across the street from the firehouse, and I personally have seen him eat, many, many meals that were less that that.
considerably less.
Gary also said that he liked the wind blowing in his hair after a long day of doing Back exercises ... and we know how much truth there is to that !!
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right, and some days, I can't even eat that....It's real work. I'm telling you.
On mayhem, they are talking about Gary Strydom saying he used to eat 1000 calories per meal, 7 times a day. Well that is bullshit, because I used to eat with him, all the time when I lived in venice. He lived across the street from the firehouse, and I personally have seen him eat, many, many meals that were less that that.
considerably less.
yeah, i don't believe Strydom ate anywhere near that much, have you ever seen the amounts that Massive G says he eats, i don't know if you and him are friends but that dude is the biggest liar i've ever seen on any board.
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i actually got the BI tag over there because i posted what i ate for breakfast which was 10 eggwhites, 2 yolks a cup and a half of oatmeal and fruit and one of Massive g's butt buddies Razorsharp came on and said that was a small meal so i disagreed with him and i got the tag.
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yeah, i don't believe Strydom ate anywhere near that much, have you ever seen the amounts that Massive G says he eats, i don't know if you and him are friends but that dude is the biggest liar i've ever seen on any board.
Massive has always been good to me. Very respectful and well, you know.
As far as your beef with him, I don't know about any of that, so i will stay out of it.
You have been cool with me also, which I apreciate.
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Massive has always been good to me. Very respectful and well, you know.
As far as your beef with him, I don't know about any of that, so i will stay out of it.
You have been cool with me also, which I apreciate.
the thing i don't understand about that guy is that if you disagree with anything him or Roxi, Mike, Ski or any of his buddies say they give you the tag, it's stupid.
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I have a feeling they live together.
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That's not classy at all, shame on you.
Exactly Mars, some of these kids here simply don't get it......showing blatant disrespect to a Squad founder like Sarcasm shows a complete lack of class!!
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the thing i don't understand about that guy is that if you disagree with anything him or Roxi, Mike, Ski or any of his buddies say they give you the tag, it's stupid.
Yeah, I hear you bro.... do your thing here. like I said, they are all big Rhino supporters, but you should do your thing as well, just do it here.
don't sweat it, listen, I did not undrstand you and the squad at first, but after a while, I got it, I was willing to take what I had to, most are not....
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Actually the "IAF" aka visceral fat is the first to be metabolized on a diet. It's the first fat to go.
I was thinking that too. It doesn't make any sense that you could get your subcutaneous fat down to nothing yet still have a ton of visceral fat... the body doesn't work that way.
Somebody should do a CT scan or MRI on a couple of these "bellybuilders" and find out once and for all what these monster GH guts are made of. My guess would be enlarged organs.
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It's not necessarily the food you take in. Common seance tells you that eating 300+ grams of protein in food will make you fat. The key is utilizing the protein. If inadequate protein is taken in, it's like building a house without the materials. The anabolics are the carpenters, but without the wood (protein) they would actually be breaking down muscle. That's the beauty of a good protein supplement. Kidney damage has never been attributed to an athlete using 1-2 grams per lb. to build. When anabolics come into play, the bodybuilder thinks He muse eat like a horse to add lean mass, when a couple of protein drinks, without all the saturated fat, cholesterol and the other things that make eating flesh protein too often the problem. The smart bodybuilder knows his body better than anybody. Having regular liver function tests and kidney profiles are the safest way to put on muscle and stay healthy. The problem is that not enough bodybuilders see Dr's. usually till it's too late. Regardless, protein is a must in building muscle, you must be smart in the choices of protein you take in. Eating 5 lbs of red meat daily will give you plenty of protein, but also give you more bad fats and all the other things associated with eating too much meat.
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the thing i don't understand about that guy is that if you disagree with anything him or Roxi, Mike, Ski or any of his buddies say they give you the tag, it's stupid.
i actually got the BI tag over there because i posted what i ate for breakfast which was 10 eggwhites, 2 yolks a cup and a half of oatmeal and fruit and one of Massive g's butt buddies Razorsharp came on and said that was a small meal so i disagreed with him and i got the tag.
Hymen's a collection of pussies....I eat less than that and continue to grow year after year....you don't have to eat a ton you just need to eat smart. BB is an activity of with physical illusion, but it definitely contains a ton of mental delusion as well.
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The body can only digest about 30g of protein in one sitting/meal. Take for example a bodybuilder who eats 6 meals a day and takes in 300g of protein or 50g per meal. Their body is only really digesting and utilizing 180g of protein, 120g is wasted. Also, too many people get caught up in the 2g per pound idea.
The RDA is .8g per pound of lean body mass, but the RDA doubled the actual recommendation of .4 (to cover any deviation, and be on the safe side). So, even at the published RDA you are still above the maintenance level and can build muscle.
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It's not necessarily the food you take in. Common seance tells you that eating 300+ grams of protein in food will make you fat. The key is utilizing the protein. If inadequate protein is taken in, it's like building a house without the materials. The anabolics are the carpenters, but without the wood (protein) they would actually be breaking down muscle. That's the beauty of a good protein supplement. Kidney damage has never been attributed to an athlete using 1-2 grams per lb. to build. When anabolics come into play, the bodybuilder thinks He muse eat like a horse to add lean mass, when a couple of protein drinks, without all the saturated fat, cholesterol and the other things that make eating flesh protein too often the problem. The smart bodybuilder knows his body better than anybody. Having regular liver function tests and kidney profiles are the safest way to put on muscle and stay healthy. The problem is that not enough bodybuilders see Dr's. usually till it's too late. Regardless, protein is a must in building muscle, you must be smart in the choices of protein you take in. Eating 5 lbs of red meat daily will give you plenty of protein, but also give you more bad fats and all the other things associated with eating too much meat.
Problem is, even I have pro/top amatuers telling me they are eating 650-700 grams of protein per day, and getting lean(also eating 700 grams of carbs) I guess I just have a hard time beleiveing this.... If I eat that much, I get friggin fat.
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The body can only digest about 30g of protein in one sitting/meal. Take for example a bodybuilder who eats 6 meals a day and takes in 300g of protein or 50g per meal. Their body is only really digesting and utilizing 180g of protein, 120g is wasted. Also, too many people get caught up in the 2g per pound idea.
The RDA is .8g per pound of lean body mass, but the RDA doubled the actual recommendation of .4 (to cover any deviation, and be on the safe side). So, even at the published RDA you are still above the maintenance level and can build muscle.
Show me scientific proof of this please. And Arnold's Encyclopedia (as great as it is for beginners) doesn't count.
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Show me scientific proof of this please. And Arnold's Encyclopedia (as great as it is for beginners) doesn't count.
Never read Arnold's Encyclopedia, never plan to. As far as proof; ask any doctor, ask a registered dietician, take a nutrition class at your local college, or just pick up a nutrition textbook and read. Its not some big secret, its common knowledge.
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Never read Arnold's Encyclopedia, never plan to. As far as proof; ask any doctor, ask a registered dietician, take a nutrition class at your local college, or just pick up a nutrition textbook and read. Its not some big secret, its common knowledge.
10 years ago doctors argued that steroids did not build muscle.
Vince dumbum is a registered dietician
Need I say more?
'Common Knowledge' is great if you're looking to build a 'Common Physique'
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Never read Arnold's Encyclopedia, never plan to. As far as proof; ask any doctor, ask a registered dietician, take a nutrition class at your local college, or just pick up a nutrition textbook and read. Its not some big secret, its common knowledge.
It's not true. Period. The body can digest and utilize a lot more than that, how much depends on several factors of course. Let's say you were forced to eat only one or two meals a day forcing you to get your daily requirements from that, do you think you could only digest and utilize 30 grams of protein from that one meal? That would be below the minimum daily requirement for most and you would get sick etc. And if you eat say a huge amount of red meat, that takes hours and hours to digest giving the body a chance to utilise it. I could go on and on on this issue but you are wrong.
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I dont think those guys are overfed. how in hell would you be 300lbs. if you dont eat like a freaking Animal. forget about steroids, cause I know a lot of meathead who juice till they collaspe and still no where near achieving bodybuilders physique, if it take a million calories a day to look the way those guys look, more power to them and their Kidney
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The notion that all humans, regardless of age, sex, muscularity, and activitly level can all digest the same amount of protein per sitting is just ridiculous.
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I remember something Milos wrote, went something like this: Milos was in the burn accident, his doc put him on oxandrolone and told him to eat twice as much protein as he did usually. Milos said he was already eating 400grams or something but the doc said double it anyway.
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
If your on gear though, you need a huge amount of calories and food from what i understand. Your metabolism, anabolism is supercharged. I think the guys that are on, only get as big according to how much they eat, more so than how much gear they take..I mean everyone is gonna make some gains when on, but they only go so far, then thats it unless you have an awesome diet.
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When I was younger I used to pound protein shakes bc I figured they were the answer to getting bigger (in addition to consuming high calorie high protein diet).
About 2 yrs ago, I basically stopped taking protein shakes, nowadays I take maybe one or 2 a week.
I have noticed ZERO deterioration in my strength or conditioning, and lately, due to a better schedule (more sleep) and higher quality diet (more time to cook properly), I've made great gains.
The protein shakes in my opinion are nothing more than good advertising.
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That's not classy at all, shame on you.
Mars is standing by his man hahahahahahahahahaha
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Mars is standing by his man hahahahahahahahahaha
The " Squid Girls" are a tight little club. They all have the same pink ribbons in their hair. :o
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
The real question is, how many times a day do they have to drop loads?
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The real question is, how many times a day do they have to drop loads?
they must wear toilets out by the dozen.
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its al a conspiracy from magazines to sell more supps. no one in the 50s right up to the 70s who won mr universe took protein shakes. fact.
500g of protein is 2000cals. add yer 400 of carbs (1600) and 100 fat (900) hell of a lot of cals for average trainer.
whoever sed ppl wont accept muscle takes time to build is spot on. i cud add a stone in a wek or 2 if i wanted. none would be muscle
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This is a good thread. I dont like to have to eat every 3 hrs......so i never have. Mostly normal meals 3 xs a day. 5-6hrs apart.
Kinda like meso......but I got the football linemans genes >:(
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The body can only digest about 30g of protein in one sitting/meal. Take for example a bodybuilder who eats 6 meals a day and takes in 300g of protein or 50g per meal. Their body is only really digesting and utilizing 180g of protein, 120g is wasted. Also, too many people get caught up in the 2g per pound idea.
The RDA is .8g per pound of lean body mass, but the RDA doubled the actual recommendation of .4 (to cover any deviation, and be on the safe side). So, even at the published RDA you are still above the maintenance level and can build muscle.
I beg to differ.
The body is not 100% efficient at processing anything we eat. That's why we have to use the restroom. Furthermore, building muscle mass is the LAST thing on the body's "to-do" list. There are vital and important functions that the body performs and it utilize protein (and other nutrients) to do that. Only after all of that is done, does it turn its attention to building mass.
Plus, you make the assumption that the body cannot become more efficient at metabolizing protein. I can tell you from personal experience that's not true. I've gone as high as 500 grams of protein per day. But, that was several years ago with a faster metabolism for a limited period of time.
The RDA is for couch potatoes, which most bodybuilders are not. If the body needs extra nutrients to build mass and they are not available, I don't care what the RDA says, YOU AIN'T GROWING, PERIOD!!!!
I can get bigger eating fewer calories than I did 10 years ago. That's one of the reasons I've cut back my usage of my favorite weight-gain powder, N-Large[sup2[/sup]. I needed more calories to reach a certain size. Once I got it, maintaining it (and growing) doesn't require that I inhale as much food.
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when you read about the amounts of food that some of these guys eat you have to wonder this, i mean most of the time all these guys are doing is lifting weights for an hour is 500 grams of protein really necessary, i think this is the main reason for the bloated stomachs on most of these guys nowadays.
no no no no NO wrong AGAIN. the food has nothing to do with the bloat and smooth big powerfull look, the lifts doesnt have anything directly to do with it either. indirectly YES directly NO. i will say it once and for all here. this is what makes us bloat and look big yet smooth
1. thai anabol pinks and or NAPOSIM
2. testex elmu or any other pharma test out there
3. norma/organon deca
4. LEGIT GH (optional slin)
REAL PHARMA SPORT DRUGS!!thats what makes us big smooth and BLOAT.
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Okay, so i am a natural freak and all, right? lol.
Anyway Ill bet i ate no more than a hundred grams of protien a day for the years i was building up.
Many years ago i read an article by mike mentzer that explained muscle was almost all water. If you dehydrated it and weighed it as pure protien...it was nothing minus bones and organs.
He stated 80 - 150 g a day was plenty.
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its al a conspiracy from magazines to sell more supps. no one in the 50s right up to the 70s who won mr universe took protein shakes. fact.
500g of protein is 2000cals. add yer 400 of carbs (1600) and 100 fat (900) hell of a lot of cals for average trainer.
whoever sed ppl wont accept muscle takes time to build is spot on. i cud add a stone in a wek or 2 if i wanted. none would be muscle
Where'd you get that from, Mr. Universe winners didn't use protein shakes?
How many times have we read about Larry Scott, singing the praises of one Rheo Blair and his protein powder. It's even been said that Arnold Schwarzenegger himself used Blair's products, despite his working for Joe Weider.
Bill Pearl often used protein shakes as well. Among those three guys I count at least 10 Mr. Universe titles.
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no no no no NO wrong AGAIN. the food has nothing to do with the bloat and smooth big powerfull look, the lifts doesnt have anything directly to do with it either. indirectly YES directly NO. i will say it once and for all here. this is what makes us bloat and look big yet smooth
1. thai anabol pinks and or NAPOSIM
2. testex elmu or any other pharma test out there
3. norma/organon deca
4. LEGIT GH (optional slin)
REAL PHARMA SPORT DRUGS!!thats what makes us big smooth and BLOAT.
Of course the anabolics change all the angles. Supercharging the system i guess.
Trust me gh. it doesnt take artificial test to bloat.......natural test will do it too.
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You say they make you big, smooth and bloated....but thats not fat, just water retention.
Are far as food goes, what macro breakdown for putting on size do you follow? You've stated to eat clean and dirty foods but there has to be a basic protocol you follow....ex. protein x 1.5-2 bw, carbs 2-3 x bw, etc. or just get in the protein and eat, eat,eat.
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gym owner big nbame in bbuilding back in 50s-early 80s. he sed they all sed he took nothing. he trained with peral and numerous others. he says this and he sells the stuff.
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Gunter Schliekamp weighs 295lbs onstage and he takes in about 450 grams of protein and 6000 calories a day. He has no gut on stage either. Nobody should need more than that.
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I think bodybuilders as a group are way too obsessed with nutrition and eating. Quality muscle is built through hard work in the gym, not by stuffing yourself with protein shakes. It's pretty funny to read about all these guys on the boards who eat 6 meals a day, but they can't even bench press 300 lb. Only a tiny fraction of the protein you ingest will ever be incorporated into muscle tissue. The rest is converted into lipids and carbohydrates. The only way you can increase protein synthesis is by training harder or by taking steroids. Everything else is just a scam.
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I think bodybuilders as a group are way too obsessed with nutrition and eating. Quality muscle is built through hard work in the gym, not by stuffing yourself with protein shakes. It's pretty funny to read about all these guys on the boards who eat 6 meals a day, but they can't even bench press 300 lb. Only a tiny fraction of the protein you ingest will ever be incorporated into muscle tissue. The rest is converted into lipids and carbohydrates. The only way you can increase protein synthesis is by training harder or by taking steroids. Everything else is just a scam.
Yes hard work is needed but lifting is an intensely traumatic on the muscles, tearing it down and depleting them of their various nutrient reserves, not to mention your CNS. Training is only the initial signal, the kickstart mechanism, for the muscles to grow - how big you actually get after that hinges on your nutrition, hydration, rest and even stress levels for a natural BB.
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You say they make you big, smooth and bloated....but thats not fat, just water retention.
Are far as food goes, what macro breakdown for putting on size do you follow? You've stated to eat clean and dirty foods but there has to be a basic protocol you follow....ex. protein x 1.5-2 bw, carbs 2-3 x bw, etc. or just get in the protein and eat, eat,eat.
Carbs and good fats are both anabolic in their own ways yes (too much for me to simply write on a forum post alone) but protein should be the main focus, as when you get right down to it, only the amino acids that constitute protein build muscle itself, not carbs or fat. Thus, protein should be the cornerstone, with a strong emphasis on mainly low-GI carbs (though there are exceptions to the rule when it comes to high-GI carb timing) and to a smaller extent, good fats, in the BB's diet as well.
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Do you have any idea how much meat you would have to eat to get in 400 grams of whole food protien, without supplementation?
You would have to eat roughly 10-12, 4 oz. chicken breasts a day, EVERYDAY! Dont forget heating the meat degrades its protien content so to get 400 grams you would probably have to eat even more than that. I didnt even mention carbs and fats yet!! I personally find it hard to believe that any human being could do this consistantly enough to be of any value, not to mention eating that much food just cant be healthy.
That's why it's called BB; exceptional efforts reap more muscle.
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Do you have any idea how much meat you would have to eat to get in 400 grams of whole food protien, without supplementation?
You would have to eat roughly 10-12, 4 oz. chicken breasts a day, EVERYDAY! Dont forget heating the meat degrades its protien content so to get 400 grams you would probably have to eat even more than that. I didnt even mention carbs and fats yet!! I personally find it hard to believe that any human being could do this consistantly enough to be of any value, not to mention eating that much food just cant be healthy.
Yup, he's just another over-fed, bloated gut delusional bodybuilder...
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I think bodybuilders as a group are way too obsessed with nutrition and eating. Quality muscle is built through hard work in the gym, not by stuffing yourself with protein shakes. It's pretty funny to read about all these guys on the boards who eat 6 meals a day, but they can't even bench press 300 lb. Only a tiny fraction of the protein you ingest will ever be incorporated into muscle tissue. The rest is converted into lipids and carbohydrates. The only way you can increase protein synthesis is by training harder or by taking steroids. Everything else is just a scam.
You my friend are a fucking genius! Well said.
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gym owner big nbame in bbuilding back in 50s-early 80s. he sed they all sed he took nothing. he trained with peral and numerous others. he says this and he sells the stuff.
And the name of this guy would be.......
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Gary also said that he liked the wind blowing in his hair after a long day of doing Back exercises ... and we know how much truth there is to that !!
lol
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I don't believe that a person needs to take in 500-700 grams of protein a day to build a decent physique.Also don't believe in the eat every 2-3 hrs rule of thumb neither.As a 16 yr old I built a decent body w/just mom's regular 3 squares a day plus snacks.You do need protein & have to eat but it also depends on how many calories per day you are expending also.A person that simply trains while another that trains but is also involved in other sports will need more protein (overall calories actually).I myself like to eat only when I feel hungry, average probably every 4hrs.I feel that as long as you eat your meals but "snack" in between them & make sure protein is a part of all meals you eat you will make gains.By snacks I don't mean a bag of Hostess chips either but let's say a simple chicken sandwich w/maybe a glass of skim milk.Saying this, the pros if true how they eat must keep a plunger next to their toilets always at the ready!
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I don't believe that a person needs to take in 500-700 grams of protein a day to build a decent physique.Also don't believe in the eat every 2-3 hrs rule of thumb neither.As a 16 yr old I built a decent body w/just mom's regular 3 squares a day plus snacks.You do need protein & have to eat but it also depends on how many calories per day you are expending also.A person that simply trains while another that trains but is also involved in other sports will need more protein (overall calories actually).I myself like to eat only when I feel hungry, average probably every 4hrs.I feel that as long as you eat your meals but "snack" in between them & make sure protein is a part of all meals you eat you will make gains.By snacks I don't mean a bag of Hostess chips either but let's say a simple chicken sandwich w/maybe a glass of skim milk.Saying this, the pros if true how they eat must keep a plunger next to their toilets always at the ready!
That's as a 16-year old. Keep in mind that you don't start out eating that much; it's a gradual thing. The pros about whom you read that consume that much protein have done so over a space of time. A teenager will likely do well with about 200 grams of protein, unless he's a twig with a flame-thrower metabolism. In such a a case, he may need 300 grams of protein (maybe more) to get bigger.
I've gone as high as 500 grams of protein for a brief period of time. But, that was a gradual progression. I ate 350 grams for several months. When I stalled, I bumped it up to 375 grams and stayed with it, until that stalled, and so on. As for the pros, they don't have "decent" physiques; they have massive ones, which requires FAR more nutrients.
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Nope, remains true, even to this day, at the age of 39.Actually, I eat less than I did back then & will gain.At this age of mine I actually consider myself more of a grazer than anything & will gain.I only make sure that each time I eat I make sure that protein is in the food i'm eating.Where did you consider that a lot of food btw?3 square meals a day w/maybe a sandwich or 2 during the day.Doesn't seem so much to myself as compared to what you see/hear competitive bb'ers eating.
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Why ask Milos? Apparently he had Dennis James on 580 g of protein leading up to the contest in his first training video.
All I could think was 600g of protein a day!!!!! Say good bye to your kidney function.
Yes, why ask Milos ?
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Shari eats some meals at mc donalds.
Shahriar said he eats all his meals at restaurants.
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no no no no NO wrong AGAIN. the food has nothing to do with the bloat and smooth big powerfull look, the lifts doesnt have anything directly to do with it either. indirectly YES directly NO. i will say it once and for all here. this is what makes us bloat and look big yet smooth
1. thai anabol pinks and or NAPOSIM
2. testex elmu or any other pharma test out there
3. norma/organon deca
4. LEGIT GH (optional slin)
REAL PHARMA SPORT DRUGS!!thats what makes us big smooth and BLOAT.
You are quite right. And another result is important troubles
of the endocrine glands.
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i actually got the BI tag over there because i posted what i ate for breakfast which was 10 eggwhites, 2 yolks a cup and a half of oatmeal and fruit and one of Massive g's butt buddies Razorsharp came on and said that was a small meal so i disagreed with him and i got the tag.
Not that it means much to this discussion Sarcasm, but Razorsharp is/was a high placing Mr. Olympia competitor. He went head to head with Dorian.
The Beef
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That doesn't neccesary means he knows something about nutrition.
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hmm but you got guys like meso that only eat two meals a day and look pretty good at 150 so.. its possible!
i'm 195lbs
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Not that it means much to this discussion Sarcasm, but Razorsharp is/was a high placing Mr. Olympia competitor. He went head to head with Dorian.
The Beef
of course he is sweetie. ::)
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of course he is sweetie. ::)
Haha.
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Bump for this interesting thread.