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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: GHGut on June 13, 2006, 04:28:11 PM
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If Ronnie had just continued on in his 1998 condition, or his 2001 Arnold Classic win condition, would he have been able to keep winning?
I saw him win his first "O" and felt he looked a lot better then at the lighter weight than in later incarnations;but if athletes don't "improve" from show to show, people complain. What if your condition is so tight that there might not realistically be room for improvement? Can you just keep bringing the same dominant package?
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I think he could , he was super sharp in 98 and a tad fuller in 99 either version could beat Cutler or Dex !!
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If he could bring his Mr.O 98-99 or Arnold 2001 Package, there is no doubt he should win.
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Look at his waist :o its miniscule !!
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No brainer, they would give him the sandow before the prejudging started
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Where is that one shot ( balck and white, I believe) where he looks unreal. Tiny waist, huge and ripped.
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yes cause no one else has matched that shape mass and condition. same with dorian if he would have kept his 93 body during his riegn no one would have beat him or been close
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His waist was way tighter back then.
Also, his back had MORE detail and was BETTER. The big talk at the Olympia last year was that Jay had brought his back up so that it almost matched Ronnie's. Truth is, Ronnie's back doesn't match Ronnie's back anymore.
How sick would it be if Ronnie brought the 98 form to the O stage this year? Would the judges recognize it or penalize him for not being 260+???
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It wouldn't matter....hes Ronnie.
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Where is that one shot ( balck and white, I believe) where he looks unreal. Tiny waist, huge and ripped.
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No brainer, they would give him the sandow before the prejudging started
And deservedly so.
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ronnie would still win. he has a combo of mass, asthetics, and shape that others dont possess. he has more maturity in his muscles, that others dont have.
the only person that maybe would have beaten ronnie in his 98 form, was gunter in 2002.
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Unreal.
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Look at his waist :o its miniscule !!
Flex still has much better shape.
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Flex still has much better shape.
I agree, flex's left pinky is better than Ronnie,everything else Ronnie owns him
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Unreal.
Yep could be the greatest physique ever right there.....
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the only person that maybe would have beaten ronnie in his 98 form, was gunter in 2002.
???
I think not 8)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75219.0;attach=82367;image)
(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974182578.jpg)
Guntermania would be dead.
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Ronnie has sucked ass big time ever since 99.
He was the shit in 97-98, and still good in 99, although should've lost to Cormier. But ever since, he's looked like a preggo.
Ronnie was shafted a lot of times in 96-97.
YIP
Zack
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i think coleman looks better now than he did in 1998...i never liked coleman small..coleman can never look good when he is small...before 1998 he had the worst body ever..ronnie is synonmous with mass and ronnie coleman has never looked good as an asethetic bodybuilder.....ronnie was dwarfed by alot guys before 1998...i guess ronsters mass now is much more amazing and coleman looks more of a bodybuilder than he did before 1998...coleman=mass=bodybuilding=MR OLYMPIA..THATS THE WAY COLEMAN ALWAYS SHOULD AND WILL ALWAYS B THE UNDISPUTED KING OF MASS...
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Prosthetic Ronnie is a nice guy but should never have even won one Olympia.
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I think the combo Ronnie presented in 97-98 was one of the best all time, I really don't think anyone on stage at this point could challenge him...comparing the shots of Ronnie from his first Olympia to now is pretty damn sad. He looks terrible now compared to back then. The sport has really digressed.
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Prosthetic Ronnie is a nice guy but should never have even won one Olympia.
??? what?
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apart from the gyno , 1998 NOC Ronnie was the greatest BB in the world ever, then would be the 2001 Arnold.
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This thread complements my original thread on the Olympia being fixed very nicely. These photos serve to prove part of my point. A 98' Ronnie Coleman is invincible. If he would have kept that tiny waist/gut in check, and only added more quality muscle, there would have never been any type of conspiracies to speak of. The 98' Coleman is what every Olympia competitor should strive for, as close to perfection as humanly possible.
1MoreRep
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I like Ronnie at 250 and 280. He's a hell of a lot better than the construction worker ;D
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how many shmucks outthere in the pro ranks can look like Ronnie at 42yrs old. forget everything else about his physique. Nobody, will still be competing when they reach their forties, unless they do the masters, which a lot of 30 something are planning on doing. Ronnie is blessed when it comes to aging. Remember, most previous Mr olympias were on their way to retirement in their mid to late thirties, Ronnie become the energizer Bunny. If He wins his 9th Olympia, I will bow down to him as the GREATEST MR OLYMPIA OF ALL AGES
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Ronnie in 98 was amazing apart from the gyno
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If Ronnie had just continued on in his 1998 condition, or his 2001 Arnold Classic win condition, would he have been able to keep winning?
yes
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Best Ab/Thigh by ronnie circa 1998 (?)
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Remember, most previous Mr olympias were on their way to retirement in their mid to late thirties, Ronnie become the energizer Bunny. If He wins his 9th Olympia, I will bow down to him as the GREATEST MR OLYMPIA OF ALL AGES
I believe Arnold could of been Mr. O up until Haney's reign if he truly wanted. There just wasn't incentive. There is at least some money in it now for the elite.
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Ronnie just changed with the game - if they <Judges - Weider- BSN > asked hime too come in like 98 then he would - but the judges are not asking him too change anything.
Ask Ronnie to come back in 07 with a new MR. O and watch what body he would bring < do not forget his check for $110,000.00 for guest posing >
Now that would be entertainment !
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Best Ab/Thigh by ronnie circa 1998 (?)
1996 Night of the Champions .
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1996 Night of the Champions .
beat me to it....
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He was the shit in 97-98, and still good in 99, although should've lost to Cormier
watch the 99 olympia video with Ronnie and Chris standing beside one another at the pre-judging. Watch them compare pose after pose. You will change your opinion.
Chris should have definately beaten Flex, who look puffy and oily that year, but not Ronnie.
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how many shmucks outthere in the pro ranks can look like Ronnie at 42yrs old. forget everything else about his physique. Nobody, will still be competing when they reach their forties, unless they do the masters, which a lot of 30 something are planning on doing. Ronnie is blessed when it comes to aging. Remember, most previous Mr olympias were on their way to retirement in their mid to late thirties, Ronnie become the energizer Bunny. If He wins his 9th Olympia, I will bow down to him as the GREATEST MR OLYMPIA OF ALL AGES
good point. People who talk shit about Ronnie's current physique (hell, even I am guilty since I much prefer the Ronnie of old)- forget that he is in his mid fourties, a time when most would be doing the Masters shows, never mind going for Olympia #9..
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the only person that maybe would have beaten ronnie in his 98 form, was gunter in 2002.
That would be very close. Gunter was very hard in 2002 and weighed 299lbs. that would be 51lbs of muscle over Ronnies 1998 form (the 1998 version on Ronnie was still a bit behind in the deltoid and calf department plus he had bad gyno). Would be a interesting comparison.
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if Ronnie wins his 9th Olympia and retires,or come back one more year, whatever happens, I dont think we are going to see anybody in the future winning Olympias after Olympias anymore. When Ronnie retires, I think the never ending Olympia streak ends for good. I dont expect whoever succeeds Ronnie Coleman is gonna keep winning and winning, there might be lots of Changes in this sport for good.
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That would be very close. Gunter was very hard in 2002 and weighed 299lbs. that would be 51lbs of muscle over Ronnies 1998 form (the 1998 version on Ronnie was still a bit behind in the deltoid and calf department plus he had bad gyno). Would be a interesting comparison.
Ronnie 98 would probably beat Gunter 2002 in every single pose, including the ab and thigh. We are not talking about Ronnie who was way off like he was in 2002. We are talking about Ronnie in one of his greatest presentations ever - gyno and all.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=77944;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/2002/soscomp4.jpg)
(http://www.ronnie.cz/_img/Fotogalerie/351_8_1.jpg)
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Gunter would be bigger, but would give up a lot in terms of quality and taper..
I don't really think it would be all that close.
Gunter beat a Ronnie that was way, way off. He wouldn't beat a near career best shape ronnie in my biased opinion 8)
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I think Ronnie would take Gunther although a 50lb weight advantage is a massive difference Ronnie wouldn't make Gunther look small !! but I think Ronnie was on the money ( excpet the gyno ) in 98 so I think he could take him .
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The 98 O Ronnie would EASILY defeat the 2003 and 2004 O Ronnie. That's for sure. I just saw a video of the 296 lbs, 2004 O Ronnie and !damn! was he ugly! Besides the gigantic, disproportional thighs, he had nothing going on for him: a monster gut, no obliques and little abs, practically no back or quad detail whatsofuckingever when relaxed, small calves for his quads and tiny forearms and tris for his monster biceps. Just disgusting. The 98 Ronnie, conversely, is one of the best ten physiques ever. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Oh, by the way, here are the best physiques ever:
1. Arnold, 1974 Mr.O
2. Sergio Oliva, all of his years
3. Flex Wheeler, 1993 ASC
4. Lee Labrada, 1988 Mr.O
5. Dorian Yates, 1993 Mr.O
6. Kevin Levrone, 1995 Mr.O
7. Ronald Coleman, 1998 Mr.O
8. Steve Reeves, all of his years
9. Shawn Ray, 1996 Mr.O
10. Dexter Jackson, 2006 ASC
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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the 2002 Gunter would beat the 1998 Coleman on the front double bicep pose, side chest, most muscular and ab/thigh
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/2002olympia/134s.jpg)
PS I like how you used pics of gunter from 3-4 different contests/years above :-\
Gunter may have even won the rear lat pose!
(http://www.ronnie.cz/_img/Fotogalerie/351_11_1.jpg)
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the 2002 Gunter would beat the 1998 Coleman on the front double bicep pose, side chest, most muscular and ab/thigh
(http://www.ifbb.com/contestresults/2002olympia/134s.jpg)
PS I like how you used pics of gunter from 3-4 different contests/years above
I am not enough of a Gunter fan to know which contest shots are which. But I do know this:
If even ND will admit that Ronnie 98 would beat Gunter 2002, it would not be very close at all. Look at those 98 shots I posted again. Yes, Gunter would be 50 pounds heavier. But he would loose a whole lot in terms of muscular quality, shape and overall body taper..
Gunter 2002 is not in the top few physiques ever presented onstage. He was good, don't get me wrong.
But to beat Ronnie in his 98 condition would mean that you were among the top few physiques ever presentated onstage.
Does Gunter fit this bill?
I would say no.
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I am not enough of a Gunter fan to know which contest shots are which. But I do know this:
If even ND will admit that Ronnie 98 would beat Gunter 2002, it would not be very close at all. Look at those 98 shots I posted again. Yes, Gunter would be 50 pounds heavier. But he would loose a whole lot in terms of muscular quality, shape and overall body taper..
Gunter 2002 is not in the top few physiques ever presented onstage. He was good, don't get me wrong.
But to beat Ronnie in his 98 condition would mean that you were among the top few physiques ever presentated onstage.
Does Gunter fit this bill?
I would say no.
I agree. Check out the list I made of the top ten physiques ever. Ronnie, in his 98 version, makes the cut, but no Gunther. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Okay, its settled: the two most delusional, biased and blind Ronnie haters (ND and suckmyasshole 8)) both agree that Ronnie 98 would beat Gunter 2002.
Therefore, its not even close at all 8)
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When Gunter is on he destroys Ronnie - as do many others.
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ronnie would still win. he has a combo of mass, asthetics, and shape that others dont possess. he has more maturity in his muscles, that others dont have.
the only person that maybe would have beaten ronnie in his 98 form, was gunter in 2002.
Are you nuts?
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When Gunter is on he destroys Ronnie - as do many others.
Again....................
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Analdischarge is even more delusional than ND and Suckmyasshole.
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Analdischarge is even more delusional than ND and Suckmyasshole.
Okay this is comming from the kid who said Matt Mendenhall was blocky ::) and Dorian's conditioning was a myth lol
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Okay this is comming from the kid who said Matt Mendenhall was blocky ::) and Dorian's conditioning was a myth lol
I backed up my statements with proof.
You back up yours by ignoring posts and saying "blah blah" and "yawn" :P
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I backed up my statements with proof.
You back up yours by ignoring posts and saying "blah blah" and "yawn" :P
Oh please you've yet to ' prove ' Mendenhall was blocky , and Yates conditioning how again did you ' prove ' that? yeah I thought so. ;)
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Mendenhall was never blocky...sorry Hulkster. He would have been the epitome of bodybuilding if he would have kept at it and came in diced. The man had probably the top five or six genetics of all time along with Dennis Newman, Ronnie, Arnold, Sergio and maybe Labrada. I think the Heath kid has loads of potential as does Richard Jones if he ever gets some sticks.
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Okay this is comming from the kid who said Matt Mendenhall was blocky ::) and Dorian's conditioning was a myth lol
You see Hulkster you really don't have much idea about bodybuilding, you just see a big guy and lose control of yourself. The criticisms we make of Ronnie go way over your head. You are unable to comprehend the finer points.
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I backed up my statements with proof.
You back up yours by ignoring posts and saying "blah blah" and "yawn" :P
LOL @ "proof". You're losing it big time son.
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(http://body.builder.hu/imagebank/pictures/974182578.jpg)
Ronnie was a whole lot more than just a "big guy". You are just too blind to see it. ::)
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Anal, you apparently don't understand the criticisms made about Yates. He was awesome in 1993; probably top five physiques ever after Haney, Ronnie, Arnold and Oliva. However, after 1994, Yates was a shell of his former self. If Levrone ever worked hard enough to get a back and Dillett trained even a bit; Yates would have been dethroned quite easily. His conditioning, while usually good...cough 1994, 1997...cough...could not hide his pathetic symmetry and lack of vascularity or stirations. His density is well known and never was questioned; it was the lack of a flowing package that looked like a Mr. Olympia that was the problem. I agree, right now, Ronnie looks nothing like a Mr. Olympia. He better bring it in the next few months or Gutler or Jackson will be the new champ assuming the compettion is judged fairly. Obviously, that is not always the case as can be seen in Haney 1989, Yates 1994/1997 (even 1996 is debateable), and Ronnie 2001/2002. Regardless, I enjoy your comments as they have biting wit about them.
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Ronnie was a whole lot more than just a "big guy". You are just too blind to see it. ::)
That physique is just friggin insane!
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yes cause no one else has matched that shape mass and condition. same with dorian if he would have kept his 93 body during his riegn no one would have beat him or been close
Last I checked---no one ever did beat Dorian during his reign..
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That physique is just friggin insane!
yup. Better than Dorian's, even in 1993 :-*
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yup. Better than Dorian's, even in 1993 :-*
This man needs sedation. Call the medics. Flex should have beaten Ronnie in 98.
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No no... Flex dont have striated ass.
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No no... Flex dont have striated ass.
Do you ?
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This man needs sedation. Call the medics. Flex should have beaten Ronnie in 98.
really?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=81616;image)
you honestly think Flex should have won? Flex was narrow, and puffy and watery compared to Ronnie that night. Look at the pics. He was not as detailed as Ronnie... Oh, thats right- you love dorian.. ::)
Look how oily flex's arm is..
only a fool would say Ronnie deserved to lose in 1998. The contest was than just hams and glutes - it was also about width and lack of oil and water -two things Flex had a lot of in 1998..
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1998_12LG.jpg)
great lat spread.. ::)
you are an idiot.
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Truth is though that Yates was never beaten BUT that 2002 GNC was a bunch of shit feeding the Gunter hype machine. 2001 Arnold Ronnie Coleman was the best I personally have seen. Sounds like Im jumpin the bandwagon but he looked incredible
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I've watched all the gaddamm olympias in the past 10 years. No doubt in my mind the 98 Ronnie is the closest thing we'd have to perfection.
Well okay shawn ray was near damn perfection all his career, but for some reason his physique is kinda boring to watch on stage. The 98 Ronnie was a freak, with size, shape, INSANE TAPER.
Gunter has the taper of a refrigerator. Gimme a fukiin break.
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(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-2001-arnold-classic/27.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronnie-coleman-2001-arnold-classic/32.jpg)
Ronnie was a god in 2001..
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If Ronnie was a God in 2001 it looks like he was 6 months pregnant with Jesus ;)
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If Ronnie was a God in 2001 it looks like he was 6 months pregnant with Jesus ;)
Is it Shahriar on the left ?
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Say what ND? ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
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This man needs sedation. Call the medics. Flex should have beaten Ronnie in 98.
Ronnie won it period.
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Say what ND? ;)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/RonnieColeman65.jpg)
What ;)
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Ronnie won it period.
Ronnie just barely won it ...............3 points , he was very lucky the judges didn't go with Flex based on his name .
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See ND, that is what is dismaying about you. You always defer to the judges. Why don't you openly admit Yates weakness and horrible condition in 1994/1997 and even 1996. The man won based on his name. Same with Ronnie in 2001/2002. Thus, why can't you give Ronnie a break when he was in shape at the 2001 ASC for all things. Some people think that was the best anyone has ever looked on stage. Yates could only compete, not defeat, that shape in 1993. Yates in 1992 would have gotten beaten by Haney if he bothered to compete. Yates probably should have lost in 1994/1997 based on conditioning alone. IFBB judging is known to be suspect. Sometimes, it takes a year or more for a very superior bb like Branch to make his impact. The man didn't get his due until a year or so into his career. He deserved second at the Arnold, although Dex beat him fairly soundly. BTW, who the hell cares if Dorian or Ronnie have a GH belly in non-posing pics. You are getting old posting these non-competition photos that have nothing to do with the mandatory poses.
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See ND, that is what is dismaying about you. You always defer to the judges. Why don't you openly admit Yates weakness and horrible condition in 1994/1997 and even 1996. The man won based on his name. Same with Ronnie in 2001/2002. Thus, why can't you give Ronnie a break when he was in shape at the 2001 ASC for all things. Some people think that was the best anyone has ever looked on stage. Yates could only compete, not defeat, that shape in 1993. Yates in 1992 would have gotten beaten by Haney if he bothered to compete. Yates probably should have lost in 1994/1997 based on conditioning alone. IFBB judging is known to be suspect. Sometimes, it takes a year or more for a very superior bb like Branch to make his impact. The man didn't get his due until a year or so into his career. He deserved second at the Arnold, although Dex beat him fairly soundly. BTW, who the hell cares if Dorian or Ronnie have a GH belly in non-posing pics. You are getting old posting these non-competition photos that have nothing to do with the mandatory poses.
You have to keep track of what I type a little better , I didn say Dorian should have lost in 1997 thats my personal feelings obviouslt the judges didn't feel that way , I felt Dorian was absolutely good enough to win in 1994 and I stand by that , the contorvesy at the 1994 Mr Olympia was between 2nd and 3rd place not first
And I care that athletes have GH guts I think its a complete joke and should be automatic failure , and all the gut pics I post are both onstage & backstage and the guts are clearly evident onstage durring transitions this isn't bodybuilding its what bodybuilding has become , 2001 ASC Ronnie looked amazing dispite the distended gut but a man weighing just 247lbs shouldn't have one , Haney didn't .
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really?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=69359.0;attach=81616;image)
you honestly think Flex should have won? Flex was narrow, and puffy and watery compared to Ronnie that night. Look at the pics. He was not as detailed as Ronnie... Oh, thats right- you love dorian.. ::)
Look how oily flex's arm is..
only a fool would say Ronnie deserved to lose in 1998. The contest was than just hams and glutes - it was also about width and lack of oil and water -two things Flex had a lot of in 1998..
(http://www.bigroncoleman.com/media/1998_12LG.jpg)
great lat spread.. ::)
you are an idiot.
Many people who were there thought it very close. If you want to start getting into insults then you're a homo who yearns to take Ronnie's cock in the shitter and cannot even fathom a life beyond your blind worship of RC. Pretty fvcking sad the extent that this shit is the focus of your life.
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lol! The last thing I expected you to be was senile AD!
You want to start the insults too huh Matt? You disappoint me. I will let this one go.
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Many people who were there thought it very close.
well the crowd sure didn't. They were chanting ronnie's name..
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well the crowd sure didn't. They were chanting ronnie's name..
I was sitting in the 14th row dead center for prejudging. I wanted Flex to win but it was obvious Ron was better. He killed flex from the back, The first time he hit a back shot the place went nuts and the show was his.
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Well ND, if the judges felt that Dorian deserved to win in 1994 ::) and 1997 ::) ::), then why do you have a problem when Ronnie wins? Simple question. You always point out his guy; I agree he has one. However, when he is flexing the compulsory poses, his waist looks better than Yates except in the ab/thigh. He has smaller obliques, and with his superior size his taper is better. Thus, if you like small, tight waists, why do you Yates. His waist is blocky and got continually larger as his career went along. He looked really good in 1992/1993; I never have disputed that. However, he was vastly overrated after. Nasser killed him from the front. He was equal from the side. From the back, it was all Yates. Thus, it probably should have been a lot closer than the scorecard showed. You bitch about Ronnie constantly, but you have never shown a pic when he has finished flexing in a compulsory pose that reveals the gut. Sure, in the transition when he is breathing it may stick out, but when he finally nails the pose it is no longer evident. BTW, Yates in 1994 was a trainwreck; he looked atrocious. I am sure if the judging criteria are supposed to present now were in effect and followed back then, he would have lost soundly.
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well the crowd sure didn't. They were chanting ronnie's name..
Ronnie won by like 2 points....Nasser and Flex beat him in the prejudging (but Ronnie deserved to win)
Back to Gunter.....Hulsketer You dont really comprehend what a 50lb weight advantage looks like until you see the 2 people standing next to each other in person. Its a HUGE difference. Gunter was ripped at the 2002 Olympia ....no bloat what so ever. He had striated pecs, striated glutes, possibly a pair of the biggests biceps ever, ect....
so to just gloss over a 50lb weight advantage in contest shape is ridiculous
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Ronnie won by like 2 points....Nasser and Flex beat him in the prejudging (but Ronnie deserved to win)
Back to Gunter.....Hulsketer You dont really comprehend what a 50lb weight advantage looks like until you see the 2 people standing next to each other in person. Its a HUGE difference. Gunter was ripped at the 2002 Olympia ....no bloat what so ever. He had striated pecs, striated glutes, possibly a pair of the biggests biceps ever, ect....
so to just gloss over a 50lb weight advantage in contest shape is ridiculous
50 pounds is huge no doubt. But Gunter when he won the 2002 SOS was probably 40 pounds heavier than Ronnie.
However, Ronnie was flat and in horrible shape compared to his 1998 outing.
I would argue that had Ronnie been in his 1998 condition (seperation, quality etc) Gunter would not have won in 2002, even with a 50 pound weight advantage.
The taper difference alone would be astounding -front and back - so the symmetry round would probably go to Ronnie.
The muscularity round would be close - Ronnie had far better quality, shape and detail, but the judges would probably be blinded by the size difference.
it would be close, but only because of the judges blind obsession with size.
In terms of taper, and quality bodyparts, it would not be as close.
ronnie in 1998 was amazing.
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gunter had lots of good quality muscle, but his structural, shape and taper issues would be a problem against a near peak Ronnie in my opinion, even with 50 extra pounds of muscle.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2004-2_bild02.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/olympia2004-2_bild03.jpg)
even though these are 2004 shots, they are cool.