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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Chick on June 14, 2006, 08:52:13 PM
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
LOL...
Yeah, Chick is completely neutral here.
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Chic, did you use your time machine and travel back to June 12, when Wayne announced this himself?
For Immediate Release
June 12, 2006
PDI also announced a change in the scheduling of two of the Amateur Pro Qualifiers. The Western USA PDI Qualifier will now take place in the spring of 2007 the night before the PDI Los Angeles Pro event. The Southern USA PDI Qualifier will take place later in the fall of 2006 as part of a major MMA fight and expo.
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The EXPO was just canceled as of this morning, Einstein....
couldn't tell you jack squat about the re-scheduling of the "qualifier"...as I don't follow the "PDI" saga.
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1) It didn't come up in conversation...I simply let King say what he had to say.
2) no.
OK, in all seriousness Kamali was clearly looking to you for confirmation during the interview. He repeatedly asked for your approval of his points.
When he made the point about Rob going to jail, as a friend why didn't you just calmly say "well those are civil offenses not criminal so he can't go to jail"?
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I don't follow the "PDI" saga.
Wouldn't you agree then, that you spend a lot of time talking about something which you admittedly "don't follow"?
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I've barely mentioned them at all, actually...
I wish Wayne the best of luck in his venture, the fans will dictate what they want to support..
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1) It didn't come up in conversation...I simply let King say what he had to say.
2) no.
C'mon chick how do you REALLY feel about the king interview?
He made you look like a dipshit...
Dan came off smelling like roses (you could occassionally hear him laughing in the background)
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I wish good luck to Wayne but I have to agree with Chick when he said that the fan base clearly isn't big enough to support 2 federations
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I wish good luck to Wayne but I have to agree with Chick when he said that the fan base clearly isn't big enough to support 2 federations
I agree on this I think the PDI will fail... Not enough money behind it and fans only wanna see the best of the best...
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I'm also interested in knowing how Chick felt about Kamali's assertion that all of Shawn Ray's top 5 finishes at the Olympia mean nothing.
Chick do you agree with your friend Kamali's statements about Shawn Ray?
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But as a friend, shouldn't you have laughed and said something along the lines of 'shut up - you sound like an idiot' when King started talking about 240?
I'm all for free expression - especially on the internet - but it's as if everyone consented to let King have this major public melt-um-down.
I'm sure he'll sleep ok tonite, but I did feel badly for the guy.
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The EXPO was just canceled as of this morning, Einstein....
couldn't tell you jack squat about the re-scheduling of the "qualifier"...as I don't follow the "PDI" saga.
Chic, to tll you the truth you should not have said one thing. It has nothign to do with BB. This thread shoudl be deleted or at the least moved since it has nothing to do with BB. I think everyoneon here can tell you wanted to pst it and was instructed to by your puppeteers to post it cause it has Waynes name on it. And unless an official press release is given stating this then you have started a useless about nothing about BB. I have to admite this make you look kind of bad and dumb. Please delete before others see into it also.
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I wish good luck to Wayne but I have to agree with Chick when he said that the fan base clearly isn't big enough to support 2 federations
I'm not sure if this is right but if it is. It will prove obvious that the fans will support the PDI in the long run. The fans are tired of the same old shit from the IFBB.
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I'm also interested in knowing how Chick felt about Kamali's assertion that all of Shawn Ray's top 5 finishes at the Olympia mean nothing.
Chick do you agree with your friend Kamali's statements about Shawn Ray?
King has his own opinions...I have mine.
I agreed with, and stated FACTS...that is all. I didn't choose sides, nor did King expect me too.
I believe Shawn is one of the greatest BBers of all time...The fact that he only won 2 shows in that span is purely a testament to the fact that he CHOSE to compete in only the OLympia for most of his career.
I believe he could have amassed quite a few wins had he chosen to compete in the Grand Prix, Arnold, NOC, etc.
It's irrelevant, as history is what it is.
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Chic, to tll you the truth you should not have said one thing. It has nothign to do with BB. This thread shoudl be deleted or at the least moved since it has nothing to do with BB. I think everyoneon here can tell you wanted to pst it and was instructed to by your puppeteers to post it cause it has Waynes name on it. And unless an official press release is given stating this then you have started a useless about nothing about BB. I have to admite this make you look kind of bad and dumb. Please delete before others see into it also.
Keith if it's cancelled why can't he tell us about it?
I trust Chick when it comes to being up to date on info in the industry.
I still think he delusional about being impartial but thats another story...
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I'm not sure if this is right but if it is. It will prove obvious that the fans will support the PDI in the long run. The fans are tired of the same old shit from the IFBB.
Actually, I will watch anything that will show me impressive bbers.
not sure how different from the IFBB it will be but I don't expect big changes.
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Chic, to tll you the truth you should not have said one thing. It has nothign to do with BB. This thread shoudl be deleted or at the least moved since it has nothing to do with BB. I think everyoneon here can tell you wanted to pst it and was instructed to by your puppeteers to post it cause it has Waynes name on it. And unless an official press release is given stating this then you have started a useless about nothing about BB. I have to admite this make you look kind of bad and dumb. Please delete before others see into it also.
I don't need a press release...I have email from THEM stating this.
It's as BB releated as it gets...don't shoot the messenger.
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King has his own opinions...I have mine.
I agreed with, and stated FACTS...that is all. I didn't choose sides, nor did King expect me too.
I believe Shawn is one of the greatest BBers of all time...The fact that he only won 2 shows in that span is purely a testament to the fact that he CHOSE to compete in only the OLympia for most of his career.
I believe he could have amassed quite a few wins had he chosen to compete in the Grand Prix, Arnold, NOC, etc.
It's irrelevant, as history is what it is.
You're preaching to the choir, Shawn was an outstanding first tier bodybuilder for his entire career.
I'm curious why you didn't say any of this to your friend Kamali while he was saying it on your show. If I remember correctly Dan distanced himself from Kamali's assertions about Shawn Ray but you didn't.
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King has his own opinions...I have mine.
I agreed with, and stated FACTS...that is all. I didn't choose sides, nor did King expect me too.
I believe Shawn is one of the greatest BBers of all time...The fact that he only won 2 shows in that span is purely a testament to the fact that he CHOSE to compete in only the OLympia for most of his career.
I believe he could have amassed quite a few wins had he chosen to compete in the Grand Prix, Arnold, NOC, etc.
It's irrelevant, as history is what it is.
Listen to the tape Bob, King expects a LOT from you which he shouldn't.
When he put you on the spot about shawn's 1 pro victory (which you correctly said was 2 initiallly) and then turned it around to mean nothing you should have stepped up and corrected the guy... As a co]host you should have asserted your opinion.
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Better listen again...I (and Dan) started to chime in, but King kept going, cutting us off....I believe Dan then wernt on to another piece...
Point being, The show wasn't about me debating King on what HIS opinions of Shawn are...
BTW...what does any of this have to do with the PDI/EXPO being canceled?
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Correct Dan saved you from having to directly challenge king's comments which EVERYBODY knows are incorrect (about the quality of shawn's placings and career not the man).
Lucky you ;)
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Chic, to tll you the truth you should not have said one thing. It has nothign to do with BB. This thread shoudl be deleted or at the least moved since it has nothing to do with BB. I think everyoneon here can tell you wanted to pst it and was instructed to by your puppeteers to post it cause it has Waynes name on it. And unless an official press release is given stating this then you have started a useless about nothing about BB. I have to admite this make you look kind of bad and dumb. Please delete before others see into it also.
If the title said... "COLORADO PRO EXPO cancelled" you'd be all over it laughing and saying I TOLD YOU SO...
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Better listen again...I (and Dan) started to chime in, but King kept going, cutting us off....I believe Dan then wernt on to another piece...
Point being, The show wasn't about me debating King on what HIS opinions of Shawn are...
BTW...what does any of this have to do with the PDI/EXPO being canceled?
I'm listening right now and Dan is saying that you have to count all Shawn Ray's top 5 Olympia finishes and Kamali is saying it means nothing and you are dead silent.
You didn't say anything, Dan is the one that spoke up.
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If the title said... "COLORADO PRO EXPO cancelled" you'd be all over it laughing and saying I TOLD YOU SO...
True.
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I'm listening right now and Dan is saying that you have to count all Shawn Ray's top 5 Olympia finishes and Kamali is saying it means nothing and you are dead silent.
You didn't say anything, Dan is the one that spoke up.
ouch! ;D
I still love ya Chick you're good for the sport IMO!
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Chick made a statement on a show that has been cancelled. Whether it was the PDI or IFB or NPC, it is relevant. Point is, the Vegas show was cancelled; the Florida show was cancelled, and now, the official start of the PDI has been moved to the day before the Night of Champions (I think), in which there is the first amatuer to pro qualifier, and the next night, the Night of Champions.
Don't get testy over the announcement - it seems that it is true. That is it. Thanks for the information, I think it was mentioned in the latest press release and that is that.
Some people were planning to compete in these shows, so they need to know that they have to wait now.
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I don't need a press release...I have email from THEM stating this.
It's as BB releated as it gets...don't shoot the messenger.
Sorry I didn't know Wayne was emailing you stuff. Just don't let the IFBB guys find out. shhhhhhh!
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If the title said... "COLORADO PRO EXPO cancelled" you'd be all over it laughing and saying I TOLD YOU SO...
Probably but I expect that. But see the thread is about the Expo not the BB show itself. See these are two different things. If the expo for the Olympia was cancelled that doesn't mean the show was cancelled. He is telling people the expo is cancelled. This was the expo for the new show date as far as I know. So he is mentioning something that has nothing to do with the other. But at least he is keeping the pDi threads at top. Thanks Chic
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Probably but I expect that. But see the thread is about the Expo not the BB show itself. See these are two different things. If the expo for the Olympia was cancelled that doesn't mean the show was cancelled. He is telling people the expo is cancelled. This was the expo for the new show date as far as I know. So he is mentioning something that has nothing to do with the other. But at least he is keeping the pDi threads at top. Thanks Chic
The expo has everything to do with the show - Wayne already showed that having an expo without a show is a bust (not 240).
You're struggling on this topic Keith. Step away - take a swim - eat some pancakes and revisit it with a clear head.
;D
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With the exception of FIBO, an expo needs a center stage event.
At this point, the Arnold Expo could drop the bodybuilding and fitness contests and no one would notice, but the Olympia - and anything smaller - would not have that luxury.
The reality that only a few of us are talking about is that there are precious few bodybuilding promoters and even fewer who are willing to take on a new event like PDI. That being the case, the unfortunate result is that there will be numerous changes to proposed - or even confirmed - schedules. I don't know who his main people are at this point, but we could end up with a situation where Wayne is the effective promoter of *all* the shows, at least for the first year or two.
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The expo has everything to do with the show - Wayne already showed that having an expo without a show is a bust (not 240).
You're struggling on this topic Keith. Step away - take a swim - eat some pancakes and revisit it with a clear head.
;D
The main PPV event for this show is the MMA fight. That is what is the draw for the PPV not the Expo. Till I hear it from Wayne I will still defend the honor of the United States and say hail PDI. ;D
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I hate it to say but I agree with Chick.
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LOL...
Yeah, Chick is completely neutral here.
Like during the Shahriar s interview.
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Better listen again...I (and Dan) started to chime in, but King kept going, cutting us off....I believe Dan then wernt on to another piece...
Point being, The show wasn't about me debating King on what HIS opinions of Shawn are...
BTW...what does any of this have to do with the PDI/EXPO being canceled?
See now that is wrong aqain. It was or never was a PDI expo. It was part of the MMA show. And so far (according to you) the only thing that got cancelled was the expo not the BB show or MMA show. And I still want to knwo why Wayne would email you this information. I don;t get it. I thought you were with the IFBB.
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Point being, The show wasn't about me debating King on what HIS opinions of Shawn are...
Having stated the above Bob, why let King start ranting about 240 during the broadcast?That has nothing to do w/pro bb'ing itself.Isn't that just internet geek(s) slamming pros on an internet web site?A pro stating his opinions of a fellow pro (even an ex competitive pro) is more bb'ing related than him ranting about a non bb'ing pro internet poster.
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
bias LOL
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See now that is wrong aqain. It was or never was a PDI expo. It was part of the MMA show. And so far (according to you) the only thing that got cancelled was the expo not the BB show or MMA show. And I still want to knwo why Wayne would email you this information. I don;t get it. I thought you were with the IFBB.
Keith,
The event has always been called the Xtreme Challenge Sports and Fitness EXPO.
The MMA, PDI and Model Search were all part of the EXPO.
So if the EXPO was CANCELLED so was the other events. What's so difficult for you to understand?
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Keith,
The event has always been called the Xtreme Challenge Sports and Fitness EXPO.
The MMA, PDI and Model Search were all part of the EXPO.
So if the EXPO was CANCELLED so was the other events. What's so difficult for you to understand?
Yeah Keith don't stress it the PDI will have many ups and downs if they survive past the first show...
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PDI is kinda like a space shuttle about to take off....
Unfortunatley, that space shuttle is the Challenger.... ::)
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I wish good luck to Wayne but I have to agree with Chick when he said that the fan base clearly isn't big enough to support 2 federations
Not really apples to apples but wrestling had competition for many many years WWF(WWE) vs NWA (WCW) and now TNA......
If people are a true fan of the sport of bodybuilding they will follow both to see who's doing what...
It may take some time to gain the fans...Only time will tell.
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
The EXPO was just canceled as of this morning, Einstein....
couldn't tell you jack squat about the re-scheduling of the "qualifier"...as I don't follow the "PDI" saga.
Interesting to hear this "breaking" news from someone who "doesn't follow the PDI"!!
I don't "follow the Pro Masters saga" but I heard this morning that you got an early Christmas gift!
Special "Eaten By Words" Ed
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
I'm still going, who's with me?
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I'm still going, who's with me?
Why not make it a vacation and follow the 2006 PDI Cancelled Euro Tour. Free tickets.
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Why not make it a vacation and follow the 2006 PDI Cancelled Euro Tour. Free tickets.
Is the European tour cancelled ???
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Is the European tour cancelled ???
Half of the initially talked-about Euro events have not made it to the schedule.
According to http://pdiradio.com/pr/6.pdf (PDI Press Release #6), the following cities will get PDI shows:
Oct 20 - Kosice, Slovakia
Oct 21 - Budapest, Hungary
Oct 22 - London, England
There will be $30,000 up for grabs at each contest and the promoters are covering travel and lodging for several of the competitors.
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The Xtreme being cancelled doesn't surprise me. :-X
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Did that guy ever pay Darrem all his prize money?
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Did that guy ever pay Darrem all his prize money?
Hell. I was thinking the same thing.
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Keith,
The event has always been called the Xtreme Challenge Sports and Fitness EXPO.
The MMA, PDI and Model Search were all part of the EXPO.
So if the EXPO was CANCELLED so was the other events. What's so difficult for you to understand?
Wrong again my dear photographer. The show has not been cancelled. I just got an email from Wayne and the MMA show (PPV) and the BB show are still on. The BB show and the MMA are not being held in the Expo. Is the Arnold or the Olympia held in the expo. NO. Have you ever been to these shows. The expos are separate. In fact the Olympia Expo is miles from the actual show. Really what s wrong with you. I swear does the IFBB issue dumbfuck drugs to you on a regular basis. You are dumb and dumber all in one. Like I have said all along, you are just a photgrapher. Please sitback and enjoy, but don't input, it makes you look really stupid. Keep hanging on to the sinking ship.
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Half of the initially talked-about Euro events have not made it to the schedule.
According to http://pdiradio.com/pr/6.pdf (PDI Press Release #6), the following cities will get PDI shows:
Oct 20 - Kosice, Slovakia
Oct 21 - Budapest, Hungary
Oct 22 - London, England
There will be $30,000 up for grabs at each contest and the promoters are covering travel and lodging for several of the competitors.
Thanks Tre
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Wrong again my dear photographer. The show has not been cancelled. I just got an email from Wayne and the MMA show (PPV) and the BB show are still on. The BB show and the MMA are not being held in the Expo. Is the Arnold or the Olympia held in the expo. NO. Have you ever been to these shows. The expos are separate. In fact the Olympia Expo is miles from the actual show. Really what s wrong with you. I swear does the IFBB issue dumbfuck drugs to you on a regular basis. You are dumb and dumber all in one. Like I have said all along, you are just a photgrapher. Please sitback and enjoy, but don't input, it makes you look really stupid. Keep hanging on to the sinking ship.
So is the MMA and the BB being held on the same night in the same venue?
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Wrong again my dear photographer. The show has not been cancelled. I just got an email from Wayne and the MMA show (PPV) and the BB show are still on. The BB show and the MMA are not being held in the Expo. Is the Arnold or the Olympia held in the expo. NO. Have you ever been to these shows. The expos are separate. In fact the Olympia Expo is miles from the actual show. Really what s wrong with you. I swear does the IFBB issue dumbfuck drugs to you on a regular basis. You are dumb and dumber all in one. Like I have said all along, you are just a photgrapher. Please sitback and enjoy, but don't input, it makes you look really stupid. Keep hanging on to the sinking ship.
Keith, you really need to learn to address your anger issues. There really is no need to insult people all the time.
Now let's get on with the debate.
It has been pointed out to you that the Floirida PDI and MMA event was PART OF THE EXPO. You denied it.
I mentioned that it was aways called an EXPO now you call me a "dumbfuck"
Well welcome to the gang Spiderman
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Man thats a bad poster...
I don't understand why wayne is having ANY pro qualifiers except the one the night before the night of champions.
Anyone serious about qualifying would make the trek to new york anyway plus peaking for two shows 2 months apart is murderous.
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Man thats a bad poster...
The sites not too good either
It's from this site
http://xtreme-usa.com/
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Are those two guys trying to climb the fence into a backyard pool .???
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Man thats a bad poster...
I don't understand why wayne is having ANY pro qualifiers except the one the night before the night of champions.
Anyone serious about qualifying would make the trek to new york anyway plus peaking for two shows 2 months apart is murderous.
Yes, bad poster, but that looks like a Goad/X-treme poster, not a DeMilia/PDI poster.
When he first began planning all of this, doing a series of low-level qualifiers seemed like a good idea. Things have changed, though, and whether it's a lack of available promoters or the fact that they're having success signing new pros *without* the qualifiers, they've opted to go in a different direction and to change the schedule around a bit.
So, you've made the right call and Wayne agrees - let the first qualifier happen right before the big premiere and that should provide the PDI with all the momentum it needs right from the very start.
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
R U their new spokes person? ;D
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R U their new spokes person? ;D
With the news of the de-Peckering, the USS AMI sinking, MD raiding the FLEX fridge, Chic might want to get his resume ready.
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Sometimes even I can not believe how childish it get s on this board. ???
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Sometimes even I can not believe how childish it get s on this board. ???
Oh I know... 'Cause YOU never say anything childish. ::)
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For anyone that is interested....
It has been brought to my attention that the '06 X-Treme Expo (The James Goad/ Wayne DeMilia venture)...has been canceled. I assume this would also mean the "PDI" qualifier is canceled as well (just a guess).
For anyone that is interested? Chick you're an alright dude but come on that was a pure cheap shot.
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Now who's Own3d ... geekos...
geekos?
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Oh I know... 'Cause YOU never say anything childish. ::)
Shut up!!!!! >:( Did you buy the ring yet? ;)
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Better listen again...I (and Dan) started to chime in, but King kept going, cutting us off....I believe Dan then wernt on to another piece...
Point being, The show wasn't about me debating King on what HIS opinions of Shawn are...
BTW...what does any of this have to do with the PDI/EXPO being canceled?
Chick,
what do you think of a pro bodybuilder coming onto your prestigious show to do nothing more than threaten to an "internet nobody" as you so aptly put it? Doesn't your friend have more to worry about than a message board? If you were muscletech would you still sponser a fully grown adult who threatens to fly all over the USA to beat up getbig board members?
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Keith, you really need to learn to address your anger issues. There really is no need to insult people all the time.
Now let's get on with the debate.
It has been pointed out to you that the Floirida PDI and MMA event was PART OF THE EXPO. You denied it.
I mentioned that it was aways called an EXPO now you call me a "dumbfuck"
Well welcome to the gang Spiderman
I must be missing something. The expo has been cancelled according to Chic. And because the Expo is cancelled you are saying the PDI and MMA events are cancelled too. Let me get that straight first.
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I must be missing something. The expo has been cancelled according to Chic. And because the Expo is cancelled you are saying the PDI and MMA events are cancelled too. Let me get that straight first.
Yes, that's what he's saying. He has stated that the MMA and PDI events are considered a part of the Expo. Is this true? Please clarify.
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Did that guy ever pay Darrem all his prize money?
It's not the same guy involved with the Xtreme EXPO PDI qualifier I hope?
YIP
Zack
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It's not the same guy involved with the Xtreme EXPO PDI qualifier I hope?
James Goad is the past promoter of the IFBB Orlando Pro and was listed as the promoter of the Orlando X-treme event.
At the time of his appearance on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Darrem had not yet been paid.
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James Goad is the past promoter of the IFBB Orlando Pro and was listed as the promoter of the Orlando X-treme event.
At the time of his appearance on Pro Bodybuilding Weekly, Darrem had not yet been paid.
If this guy still owes money to a competitor why is he being allowed to promote another show?
Doesn't matter if it's the IFBB or the PDI, a promoter not paying his contestants shouldn't be able to promote another show until all debts are settled from previous shows.
What a joke.
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For anyone that is interested? Chick you're an alright dude but come on that was a pure cheap shot.
Just reporting the news...as I did with the IFBB Toronto Pro.
Was that a cheap shot as well?
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Just reporting the news...as I did with the IFBB Toronto Pro.
Was that a cheap shot as well?
Well considering you're the IFBB Athletes Rep. not the PDI Athletes Rep. and in fact aren't a member of the PDI that's not really analogous now is it?
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Just reporting the news...as I did with the IFBB Toronto Pro.
Was that a cheap shot as well?
IMO, when you told the athletes to "make lemonade" then posted many times defending the once-again failed promoter WInston, who for some reason wasn't required to put down the same deposit that Mike had to, for the Charlotte Pro...
That was the cheap shot.
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If this guy still owes money to a competitor why is he being allowed to promote another show?
Doesn't matter if it's the IFBB or the PDI, a promoter not paying his contestants shouldn't be able to promote another show until all debts are settled from previous shows.
What a joke.
I hear what your're saying...but we (NPC/IFBB) have no control of what he does outside of the organization...it's Wayne's call if he wants him on the PDI team.
BTW...it's not just Darrem that is owed money...theres about $15-17K still outstanding to the top 5.
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If this guy still owes money to a competitor why is he being allowed to promote another show?
Doesn't matter if it's the IFBB or the PDI, a promoter not paying his contestants shouldn't be able to promote another show until all debts are settled from previous shows.
What a joke.
A lot of people were unhappy - and rightfully so - when this guy's name appeared as the promoter of an NPC event when money was still owed to IFBB competitors. I don't know whether that show ever happened, but then when he showed up as a PDI promoter, too, the PDI's public image took a hit.
I understand it's a catch-22 for him, but as a bodybuilding fan, I would not give that promoter one dollar knowing that he still owed money to past prize winners.
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IMO, when you told the athletes to "make lemonade" then posted many times defending the once-again failed promoter WInston, who for some reason wasn't required to put down the same deposit that Mike had to, for the Charlotte Pro...
That was the cheap shot.
Get it right...
I wasn't defending Winston, I was explaining why the show was cancled...Winston sucks as a promoter, as I stated many times in those posts.
The fans didn't support the show, the sponsors then pulled out...end of show.
The athletes had another show a week away...not the worst case senario.
I submitted previously to the IFBB, a mandate calling for reimbursement from the promoter and/ or the IFBB in just such a case that a show is canceled ....it was denied.
If the athletes cared about their sport and their money...they would show support for these items as they are presented....I'm merely the voice of these athletes...If they don't care, theres not a whole lot of power in my position.
As usual...don't comment on subjects you have no knowledge of.
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As usual...don't comment on subjects you have no knowledge of.
Fair enough. Do you have any knowledge on why a guy like mike from Bulk Nutrition was required to prepay his 10k fee a full 6 months prior to the show, but Winston- who had failed the same show before- wasn't require to make that payment?
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BTW...it's not just Darrem that is owed money...theres about $15-17K still outstanding to the top 5.
Completely unacceptable...it's been over 2 years since that show. >:(
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The EXPO was just canceled as of this morning, Einstein....
couldn't tell you jack squat about the re-scheduling of the "qualifier"...as I don't follow the "PDI" saga.
lol that was funny
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Fair enough. Do you have any knowledge on why a guy like mike from Bulk Nutrition was required to prepay his 10k fee a full 6 months prior to the show, but Winston- who had failed the same show before- wasn't require to make that payment?
No, I don't have any first hand knowledge. If I were to take an educated guess...I would say that because Winston is an official, and has been in the IFBB since it's inception...he was granfathered in as the rule was changed in the last 2 years....If Mike was a first time IFBB promoter, then he would've been held to the new standard.
Personally speaking, I would've required Winston to pony up the money in advance despite the fact, and given the history of the toronto.
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No, I don't have any first hand knowledge. If I were to take an educated guess...I would say that because Winston is an official, and has been in the IFBB since it's inception...he was granfathered in as the rule was changed in the last 2 years....If Mike was a first time IFBB promoter, then he would've been held to the new standard.
Personally speaking, I would've required Winston to pony up the money in advance despite the fact, and given the history of the toronto.
cool i respect that.
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A lot of people were unhappy - and rightfully so - when this guy's name appeared as the promoter of an NPC event when money was still owed to IFBB competitors. I don't know whether that show ever happened, but then when he showed up as a PDI promoter, too, the PDI's public image took a hit.
I understand it's a catch-22 for him, but as a bodybuilding fan, I would not give that promoter one dollar knowing that he still owed money to past prize winners.
I'd love to know the PDI's rationale on letting this guy promote another show while still have outstanding debts to contestants for other shows he promoted.
What a terrible message it sends.
I'm curious if there is a shortage of promoters willing to step up and take on a bodybuilding show now. From everything I've read none of the shows generate a profit. Why would anyone promote a show knowing they were going to lose money?
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I'd love to know the PDI's rationale on letting this guy promote another show while still have outstanding debts to contestants for other shows he promoted.
What a terrible message it sends.
I'm curious if there is a shortage of promoters willing to step up and take on a bodybuilding show now. From everything I've read none of the shows generate a profit. Why would anyone promote a show knowing they were going to lose money?
I can't believe Wayne was going to allow this guy to promote an event of his. I don't know whether they're still working together, but I would not offer the first iota of support to a promoter who we *know* has ripped off athletes in the past and not yet made good on his promise pay.
The 2nd- and 3rd-tier pro-only events are not profitable because of the fee structure put in place by the IFBB, but each new promoter to come along thinks he has the formula that's going to turn that around. Recent history has taught us that - if your name isn't Arnold or Olympia - you have to have an amateur event with your pro show if you hope to make any money (or even to approach the break-even point).
If Johnny Schmomoter wants to promote an IFBB pro men's event in Any City, USA, he is welcome to do so. But unless he includes an NPC show, I can almost guarantee that event will lose money.
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Chick,
your refusal to address my questions leads me to beleive that you would not like the answers, assuming you'd be honest.
Chick,
what do you think of a pro bodybuilder coming onto your prestigious show to do nothing more than threaten to an "internet nobody" as you so aptly put it? Doesn't your friend have more to worry about than a message board? If you were muscletech would you still sponser a fully grown adult who threatens to fly all over the USA to beat up getbig board members?
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The idea of holding the show in conjunction with other events, as a part of an expo, is a good idea though.
There are aspects on how to make BB contests generate money. I think the mindset should be slightly different, people in the business needs to look at what is making the Arnold drawing big crowds.
Could seminars on nutrition and training be held during the expo? Strongman contests? Powerlifting contests? Benchpress contests?
There is a need to develop the expo approach IMO.
Just doing the contests more exciting by including "interesting" guest posing by a Kai G, a Hot Rod and a Dayana Cadeau with a gigantic gut, ain't gonna cut it.
YIP
Zack
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Just reporting the news...as I did with the IFBB Toronto Pro.
Was that a cheap shot as well?
No, but I thought you were the IFBB rep though.
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From what I understand about this show and this guy is that Wayne is sanctioning his event in an attempt to provide this guy with the means to make the money he needs to pay off his debt to the guys he owes. All money from the ticket sales and entry fees will be used to pay off his debts to the competitors he owes. That is something Wayne has told the guy to do. I think Wayne understands that there is a bad feeling about this guy but also he wants to help the guy pay off his debts and get some kind of reputation back. So, having a show like this could very well generate plenty of money to pay back the IFBB guys he owes.
Now, in reference to the Winston thing and Mike thing. Chic said somethign about Winston being grandfathered in which is fine. But, why wasn't the Colorado Pro required to have the prize money in escrow or deposited into the IFBB account like Mike was. This was a first year show so no way any grandfathering would be instituted.
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I still think it's fishy that the sponsors - not the promoters - were the ones writing the checks to the winners in Colorado. Is that a common practice now?? To my knowledge, the job of collecting from sponsors has always fallen on the promoters and then the promoters would be responsible for ensuring timely payments to all the prize winners.
But, I believe we're all in agreement that the most important thing is that all the Colorado prizes were paid within 15 days.
On to Orlando...
I won't pretend to know any details about Mr. Goad's business finances or his personal situation, but what I *do* know is that he owes about $17,000 to the men who competed in his show TWO YEARS AGO. If he's been incapacitated and unable to work to generate that money in the past two years, hey, I understand...things happen. But IF that is the case, then he has no business promoting another show. You know better than anyone that putting on an expo is not cheap...and from where I sit, if he's got the money to put on another show, then he damn sure has the money to pay what he owes.
He should be taking care of the talent first. Sanctions should not be awarded out of charity...that doesn't fly.
I didn't ask Wayne about this, but if Mr. Goad is still going to be the lead person on the Orlando event, then the question needs to be asked: "When can Darrem expect his check?"
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I hear what your're saying...but we (NPC/IFBB) have no control of what he does outside of the organization...it's Wayne's call if he wants him on the PDI team.
BTW...it's not just Darrem that is owed money...theres about $15-17K still outstanding to the top 5.
Is that from the same "Xtreme" pro show that Darrem Charles won two years ago?
I got to attend that show, as I live in Florida. It was the first pro show I'd ever seen in person and only the second one I'd seen the day it actually happened (The first was the 1992 WBF Championship, which I saw and recorded on pay-per-view).
BTW, Mr. Chicherillo, didn't you catch one of Ken Jones' hats during his "posing routine"? I think he would have been booed off the stage, had the audience (myself included) not been so busy cracking up.
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Is that from the same "Xtreme" pro show that Darrem Charles won two years ago?
That's the one.
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That's the one.
They could have paid him in installments and be done by now. OUCH!!!
But, the pressing question is.......Does the 2000 USA champion still have that hat?
;D
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They could have paid him in installments and be done by now. OUCH!!!
Precisely.
And he could've written off the loss on his taxes, since we're talking about prize money. That alone would been a $5000 savings on his income taxes, so in reality, he'd only have to come up with $12,000.
Pay Darrem his money!!
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From what I understand about this show and this guy is that Wayne is sanctioning his event in an attempt to provide this guy with the means to make the money he needs to pay off his debt to the guys he owes. All money from the ticket sales and entry fees will be used to pay off his debts to the competitors he owes. That is something Wayne has told the guy to do. I think Wayne understands that there is a bad feeling about this guy but also he wants to help the guy pay off his debts and get some kind of reputation back. So, having a show like this could very well generate plenty of money to pay back the IFBB guys he owes.
Now, in reference to the Winston thing and Mike thing. Chic said somethign about Winston being grandfathered in which is fine. But, why wasn't the Colorado Pro required to have the prize money in escrow or deposited into the IFBB account like Mike was. This was a first year show so no way any grandfathering would be instituted.
The prize money was indeed, placed into a seperate account which was set up just for the show...it was the bank error that was the problem, not Vyotech...all was straightened out, explained by Phil himself, and everyone lived happily ever after.
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I have only one thing to say on this matter. I have seen too many contests in both powerlifting and bodybuilding where promised monies were not paid. I have personally been involved in a contest where the money and products I sent were not given out as agreed. It is all bullshit and if a promoter promises money he darn well better pay it. People wonder why the sport is going to pot!
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I'm wondering about this money owed. Wasn't the money put into an account like other shows. And as the snactioning body of the event, didn't the IFBB make sure the money was there. And why hasn't the IFBB done anythign about this to date. Why don't they sue the promoter. Have they met with the promoter to work out some kind of payment plan. And since the IFBB sanctioned the event the athletes should rely on the IFBB to make they get paid. The IFBB got paid their sanction fee. Why doesn't the IFBB pay the atheltes and then go after the promoter in court. The athletes pay a fee to the IFBB and should rely on them for support when something like this happens. I would think the IFBB would support their members and either legally go after this guy since it is their event or pay the athletes themselves and then go after the promoter. I don't see any kind of support here from the IFBB in this matter. Have they done anything to date. Or are they happy they got their money and forget about their members and let them worry about it. As shitty and wrong it is that the promoter didn't pay, I still don't see why the IFBB hasn't done a thing to help. This would really be a nice gesture on the IFBB's part to show they care about their members.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!! You guys are pathetic!!!!
Summer is here, it's gorgeous outside. I pop my head in here once or twice a day and what I see is this shit being re-hashed for the billionth time.The fvcking show is history, heath got paid. Get a life,really.
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I'm wondering about this money owed. Wasn't the money put into an account like other shows?
A. No, it was waived by wayne who was the Prez at the time...
And as the snactioning body of the event, didn't the IFBB make sure the money was there?
A. Same as above
And why hasn't the IFBB done anythign about this to date. Why don't they sue the promoter. Have they met with the promoter to work out some kind of payment plan. And since the IFBB sanctioned the event the athletes should rely on the IFBB to make they get paid.
A. Agreed
The IFBB got paid their sanction fee.
A. According to wayne, this too was waived and not enforced as per the rules...i.e.- the IFBB never got the sanction fee.
Why doesn't the IFBB pay the atheltes and then go after the promoter in court. The athletes pay a fee to the IFBB and should rely on them for support when something like this happens. I would think the IFBB would support their members and either legally go after this guy since it is their event or pay the athletes themselves and then go after the promoter. I don't see any kind of support here from the IFBB in this matter. Have they done anything to date. Or are they happy they got their money and forget about their members and let them worry about it. As shitty and wrong it is that the promoter didn't pay, I still don't see why the IFBB hasn't done a thing to help. This would really be a nice gesture on the IFBB's part to show they care about their members.
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Chick, if you were driving down the street and wayne was stopped in the crosswalk tying his shoe, which pedal would you hit?
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Whats your point?
The facts are the facts...
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Whats your point?
The facts are the facts...
I'm not saying your facts are wrong. I'm questioning your motives. Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral? because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts. you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers.
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and i'm not flaming bob, this latest drama has proven to be too much of a headache, so i am trying to just stick to issues and not start arguments just to start them.
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I'm not saying your facts are wrong. I'm questioning your motives. Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral? because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts. you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers.
I'm neutral.
Keith brought a few questions to the table...I answered them. Wayne was responsible at the time. There is no motive except to give factual answers to questions asked. Just because Wayne may have screwed up, and you suppport him.....doesn't mean you should ignore the facts.
Im Pro-athlete...no matter how you dice it up.
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It wasn't until *after* the IFBB Orlando Pro fiasco in 2004 that the new rule regarding advanced payment was instituted. Prior to that, a person could get a sanction without having paid anything.
The Orlando promoter - James Goad - was awarded his sanction in 2003, when Wayne was still at the helm.
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I'm not saying your facts are wrong. I'm questioning your motives. Are you anti-PDI, pro-PDI, or neutral? because you've said you were in support of it before, but when you post things here which reflect negatively on wayne, it looks like you're trying to undermine his efforts. you're in a position of power, and your words hold more weight than those of the rest of us in the eyes of readers.
To be fair,
it's not being anti something for providing facts that are NEGATIVE.
Being objective is about bringing focus to all aspects of an issue. Even the negative ones.
Anyone can bring the attention to these facts about the PDI. If Chick has more credit than others, then perhaps there is a reason for that?
With that being said, he did come across as a bit of anti-PDI on the radio show, talking about how Lee Priest definitely would be in trouble for challenging the IFBB, competing in Mr O after competing at the NOC.
Sidenote: I thought Cicherillo's assessment of the Lee Priest situation was somewhat interesting, and seemed to hold value, until he decided that there were no chance for Lee to beat the IFBB.
And remember, Lee still have his Athlete Rep in Cicherillo, since he still is a member of the IFBB...
I thought Cicherillo got somewhat lost there. And I also believe he should step down as a Athlete's Rep as soon as he can find someone who has the same dedication.
Because he is great on the radio, and this Athlete Rep thing ties his hands.
I doubt there will be anyone willing to step up as Cicherillo and Shawn Ray have done though. Sure, Cicherillo ain't perfect. But he's burning for the BB culture (look I-one, I didn't use the term 'sport' ;D)....
YIP
Zack
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To be fair,
it's not being anti something for providing facts that are NEGATIVE.
Being objective is about bringing focus to all aspects of an issue. Even the negative ones.
Anyone can bring the attention to these facts about the PDI. If Chick has more credit than others, then perhaps there is a reason for that?
With that being said, he did come across as a bit of anti-PDI on the radio show, talking about how Lee Priest definitely would be in trouble for challenging the IFBB, competing in Mr O after competing at the NOC.
Sidenote: I thought Cicherillo's assessment of the Lee Priest situation was somewhat interesting, and seemed to hold value, until he decided that there were no chance for Lee to beat the IFBB.
And remember, Lee still have his Athlete Rep in Cicherillo, since he still is a member of the IFBB...
I thought Cicherillo got somewhat lost there. And I also believe he should step down as a Athlete's Rep as soon as he can find someone who has the same dedication.
Because he is great on the radio, and this Athlete Rep thing ties his hands.
I doubt there will be anyone willing to step up as Cicherillo and Shawn Ray have done though. Sure, Cicherillo ain't perfect. But he's burning for the BB culture (look I-one, I didn't use the term 'sport' ;D)....
YIP
Zack
It's interesting that Lee Preist hasn't been banned already from the IFBB for signing with the PDI.
I'm pretty sure just the defection is enough to warrant his suspension according to IFBB rules.
Any comments on this Chick?
I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...
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I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...
Why won't that happen?
It's entirely possible that Lee will compete for multiple organizations this fall.
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Why won't that happen?
It's entirely possible that Lee will compete for multiple organizations this fall.
On what planet?
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On what planet?
It's Suin' season... Lee, Vince, and 1-2 other names you know and love will be doing the PDI NOC then attempting the do the IFBB if they're banned. Then, they'll sue if not allwoed to compete at the O.
The fact that the IFBB is talking so tough about it NOW sends a clear signal they're not prepared to suspend the PDI guys.
Think bout it ;)
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It's Suin' season... Lee, Vince, and 1-2 other names you know and love will be doing the PDI NOC then attempting the do the IFBB if they're banned. Then, they'll sue if not allwoed to compete at the O.
The fact that the IFBB is talking so tough about it NOW sends a clear signal they're not prepared to suspend the PDI guys.
Think bout it ;)
Will be interesting to see what happens if they do turn up to try to compete in the O. I hope they do...
One problem for wayne is why would HE want them to go back? Kinda of de-values his show...
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On what planet?
The IFBB has a long-standing (and recent, too) history of not enforcing its 'rules'. What makes this 'rule' any different?
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The IFBB has a long-standing (and recent, too) history of not enforcing its 'rules'. What makes this 'rule' any different?
And from the law types here, will the history of un-enforced rules help the PDI guys at all?
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It's interesting that Lee Preist hasn't been banned already from the IFBB for signing with the PDI.
I'm pretty sure just the defection is enough to warrant his suspension according to IFBB rules.
Any comments on this Chick?
I'd prefer he was allowed to compete wherever he wanted to be that ain't gonna happen...
He hasen't done anythin wrong...YET.
Announcing your intentions means nothing...Lee (or anyone else for that matter)will actually have to step on a non-sanctioned stage for any such rule to be broken...THEN they are subject to suspention.
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He hasen't done anythin wrong...YET.
Announcing your intentions means nothing...Lee (or anyone else for that matter)will actually have to step on a non-sanctioned stage for any such rule to be broken...THEN they are subject to suspention.
Signing one of the PDI's contracts (which he has done apparently) has to go against the rules of the ifbb.
When the 12 guys defected in 1990 they were banned straight away from what I remember (by wayne of course..)
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Signing one of the PDI's contracts (which he has done apparently) has to go against the rules of the ifbb.
When the 12 guys defected in 1990 they were banned straight away from what I remember (by wayne of course..)
The interesting thing is that certain bodybuilders bounced between federations on a regular basis. If my memory's correct, John Terilli and Ed Kawak frequently popped up at both NABBA/WABBA and the IFBB, without any drama for leaving the latter for the former.
As for the guys that joined the World Bodybuilding Federation, three of the 13 guys who did so never competed in an IFBB show prior to joining Vince McMahon's upstart league: Troy Zuccolotto, Aaron Baker, and Jim Quinn.
Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.
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Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.
Lemme guess.
You gonna charge us $20 for that story?
YIP
Zack
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The interesting thing is that certain bodybuilders bounced between federations on a regular basis. If my memory's correct, John Terilli and Ed Kawak frequently popped up at both NABBA/WABBA and the IFBB, without any drama for leaving the latter for the former.
As for the guys that joined the World Bodybuilding Federation, three of the 13 guys who did so never competed in an IFBB show prior to joining Vince McMahon's upstart league: Troy Zuccolotto, Aaron Baker, and Jim Quinn.
Then, of course, there's the whole issue with Lou Ferrigno. But, that's another story.
The punishments have varied depending upon who you pissed off at the time and where you went.
Samir did the WABBA Mr World in 1985 and then had to sit out 2 years yet when he did the Nabba worlds in 1990 he was allowed back in straight away.
The IFBB and WABBA had huge feuds. NABBA was always more passive since most of their champs eventually were poached by wayne for the IFBB (buchanon, fox, kawak etc) so if guys went back for a show it seemed they were forgiven more readily. It was really totally up to wayne's discretion really.
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Lee isn't going to get banned by the IFBB. He's one of the few white guys the (at least for now AMI) mags can put on the cover & stop people in their tracks. If anyone else hasn't figured it out, the only purpose the Weiders have for pro BBs is to sell their mags & support their advertising. That's why the same person wins the Olympia each year; that's easier to market.
As for cancelled shows, the IFBB Toronto show fell through this year. Did Bob come on our board & gloat about that?
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Not trying to be morbid, but when Joe Weider dies, i'm willing to bet anything that the Arnold will be a PDI event.
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Lemme guess.
You gonna charge us $20 for that story?
YIP
Zack
No, I would have settled for $10 ;D
Ferrigno signed with the WBF and the 1992 Championship was hyped as a showdown between him and champion Gary Strydom. Of course, Lou left the WBF shortly after the federation started drug-testing. He returns to the IFBB, signs with Weider, becoming the highest paid contract holder with that particular company, and (despite not having competed in over a decade and a half) gets a special invite to the Mr. Olympia.
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Ferrigno signed with the WBF and the 1992 Championship was hyped as a showdown between him and champion Gary Strydom. Of course, Lou left the WBF shortly after the federation started drug-testing. He returns to the IFBB, signs with Weider, becoming the highest paid contract holder with that particular company, and (despite not having competed in over a decade and a half) gets a special invite to the Mr. Olympia.
Sounds like some info that the PDI guys will use in their lawsuit to be filed Oct 2nd.
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Jesus Christ 240... Shut your fucking piehole already... You completely made an ass out of yourself above and beyond here. It's just sad watching you hissy fit like a little slapped around 2 year old.
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Sounds like some info that the PDI guys will use in their lawsuit to be filed Oct 2nd.
There is not lawsuit to file. If there was one, it would be filed against the person who was organizing the X-Treme Challenge
This is only just the beginning, the shows are being canceled, and soon will be the PDI. And anyone who steps on stage will be in a world of shit when they try to come back to the IFBB
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Jesus Christ 240... Shut your fucking piehole already... You completely made an ass out of yourself above and beyond here.
Not really.
He's just too young to know as much bodybuilding/IFBB history as some of the other posters around here.
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This is only just the beginning, the shows are being canceled, and soon will be the PDI. And anyone who steps on stage will be in a world of shit when they try to come back to the IFBB
Is this really Vince Goodrum, or one of the people he claims uses his account: JohnJohn, RayRay, Bookie, the Smash Bros., Uncle Petey and Aunt Faith, etc?
You lie all the time Vince.
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Berserker, if Lee and others who have qualified for the O are not allowed to compete (they have signed the contract), they have said they will sue the IFBB.
IMO, precedent set in the past, examples of men being allowed to do shows with competing organizations AND the IFBB, could possibly come into play with a trial. Maybe I'm wrong... maybe a nonprofit org CAN selectively enforce rules. However the idea of lee on the stand spilling his guts on the IFBB is something they probably don't want, and will avoid by letting him compete, anyway.
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Is this really Vince Goodrum, or one of the people he claims uses his account: JohnJohn, RayRay, Bookie, the Smash Bros., Uncle Petey and Aunt Faith, etc?
You lie all the time Vince.
Its the real me, 240. Unfortunately, the post I made was also very real
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Jesus Christ 240... Shut your fucking piehole already... You completely made an ass out of yourself above and beyond here. It's just sad watching you hissy fit like a little slapped around 2 year old.
Why are you so rude and profane? in real life, when someone disagrees with you, do you act like such a fool? I'm being good here now, and I'm arguing seriously here.
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Vince, I've already heard from 4 ppl that you emailed or PMed them with a "BIG SECRET" that you're being paid by the IFBB to spread "THE WORD" that PDI guys will be blackballed. I find holes in this story.
1) Bob Chick has said not that anyone will be blackballed, but that they'll be banned. This contradicts what he says.
2) The IFBB does not exactly toss money around.
3) You have zero credibility here or on other boards. I can name 5 big hoaxes you've made in the last year, and I hear you used to be worse. Vince, you frequently lie.
4) it's common sense that any athlete would figure if they jump ship and return, they'll probably get screwed. Not exactly breaking news here. If it happens, and a first place Lee gets 9th place at an IFBB show, what happens? Fans call BS, and the IFBB suffers. Remember the Rusty / masters Pro mess? The PDI was born of poor judging and gh guts. Putting a top lee last at a show would only legitimize the PDI in the eyes of the fans.
5) You have a history with DeMilia- you tried to sell him a domain name you squatted on, and he declined. I bought names too, and sold them early. You held out, and ended up losing. You want some payback, sure.
6) Finally, Vince, it just doesn't feeeeel right. I have nothing against you, but I do know that you start some preposterous stories to always keep your name active here. This is a way for you, a fringe salesman, to propel your name into the IFBB/PDI conversation. If indeed you were being secretly paid to spread the word, you wouldn't tell anonymous strangers in PMs about your payment.
That is all. I'm reallly trying hard not to flame, as I'm on warning for making pros melt. But I do see flaws in your statements and I do think you're just making it up. that is all.
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Vince, I've already heard from 4 ppl that you emailed or PMed them with a "BIG SECRET" that you're being paid by the IFBB to spread "THE WORD" that PDI guys will be blackballed. I find holes in this story.
1) Bob Chick has said not that anyone will be blackballed, but that they'll be banned. This contradicts what he says.
2) The IFBB does not exactly toss money around.
3) You have zero credibility here or on other boards. I can name 5 big hoaxes you've made in the last year, and I hear you used to be worse. Vince, you frequently lie.
4) it's common sense that any athlete would figure if they jump ship and return, they'll probably get screwed. Not exactly breaking news here. If it happens, and a first place Lee gets 9th place at an IFBB show, what happens? Fans call BS, and the IFBB suffers. Remember the Rusty / masters Pro mess? The PDI was born of poor judging and gh guts. Putting a top lee last at a show would only legitimize the PDI in the eyes of the fans.
5) You have a history with DeMilia- you tried to sell him a domain name you squatted on, and he declined. I bought names too, and sold them early. You held out, and ended up losing. You want some payback, sure.
6) Finally, Vince, it just doesn't feeeeel right. I have nothing against you, but I do know that you start some preposterous stories to always keep your name active here. This is a way for you, a fringe salesman, to propel your name into the IFBB/PDI conversation. If indeed you were being secretly paid to spread the word, you wouldn't tell anonymous strangers in PMs about your payment.
That is all. I'm reallly trying hard not to flame, as I'm on warning for making pros melt. But I do see flaws in your statements and I do think you're just making it up. that is all.
I've not been paid by the IFBB at all nor am I a representative of the IFBB. I also do not discuss my business with anyone. I passed along some information and that was it...nothing else. I won't say I don't have a financial interest in the PDI failing but that doesn't mean I would take payments from the IFBB nor has it ever been solicted. Nevertheless my work is done and I haven't posted anything of the sort lately or will ever again
You know 240, I had you do some banners for me and I was planning to pay you next month to re-design my website. But now I've changed my mind about it due to the constant slamming of me, my business, and my personal standing. I'll have someone else do it for me.
I don't see any new "positive 240". I only see a very bitter one. Perhaps its because designing websites for 300 dollars isn't really much once you deduct expenses, taxes, etc thus taking you to minimum wage status as Chick stated. Better get a job at Wendy's or something. I don't care much for credibility from the naysayers because my customers and clients let me know by purchasing my products and service.
If you don't like what I had to say, too bad. BTW, you've stated that you make more money than me. I would like to say this to you, it takes 2 to 4 weeks for you to design a 300.00 website. It only takes a few minutes for me to sell a $499 dollar Total Trainer or $699 Bodyrail Elite. You are not in my league bro. I've been in business since 2001 so if you manage to last at least 3 years let me know
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Berserker, if Lee and others who have qualified for the O are not allowed to compete (they have signed the contract), they have said they will sue the IFBB.
IMO, precedent set in the past, examples of men being allowed to do shows with competing organizations AND the IFBB, could possibly come into play with a trial. Maybe I'm wrong... maybe a nonprofit org CAN selectively enforce rules. However the idea of lee on the stand spilling his guts on the IFBB is something they probably don't want, and will avoid by letting him compete, anyway.
Thoughts to discuss.
Athletes compete in the PDI, the IFBB then choose to implement a rule that the athletes are well aware of.
As a result of this the athletes are barrred from competing in the Mr Olympia.
The athletes could POSSIBLY sue for breach of contract. Is there a clause which mentions the IFBB rules in the contract?
Are the IFBB listed as promoters on the contract?
If not then they would have to sue AMI?
I'm not sure how it is in US law, but in the UK the IFBB's lack of enforcement of rules does not set a legal precedent.
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I don't know the law that well. Priest mentioned that would be part of the basis of his case- that the IFBB selectively enforces its rulebook. I don't know if it'll fly in court, but I think the threat of spilling the beans on what he knows about the IFBB was Lee's bigger threat.
vince- i'm just posting my opinion. i'm not trying to slam you, but you are - by your own admission- attempting to undermine an organization which will bring more money to pro athletes, for your own financial gain. will you admit that much?
and I do work on more than one website at a time. I sell two to five sites a week, then work 12 hours a day on them. some weeks are thin, some are very good, and i also do okay on per-charge updates.
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This is only just the beginning, the shows are being canceled, and soon will be the PDI. And anyone who steps on stage will be in a world of shit when they try to come back to the IFBB
Exactly 65 minutes pass.
I haven't posted anything of the sort lately or will ever again
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Thoughts to discuss.
Athletes compete in the PDI, the IFBB then choose to implement a rule that the athletes are well aware of.
As a result of this the athletes are barred from competing in the Mr Olympia.
The athletes could POSSIBLY sue for breach of contract. Is there a clause which mentions the IFBB rules in the contract?
Are the IFBB listed as promoters on the contract?
If not then they would have to sue AMI?
I'm not sure how it is in US law, but in the UK the IFBB's lack of enforcement of rules does not set a legal precedent.
I've already addressed this, but it keeps coming up.....
Lee is talking about using OTHER peoples issues to address his own...it won't fly in court (if it ever got there).
Using examples of OTHER people being disciplined or not disciplined for rules which have no direct correlation to your own case...would be irrelevant. One of Lee's examples was that some of the Female BBers have porn type websites, etc...and haven't been suspended. Whether this is true or not has NO BEARING on whether or not HE would be suspended for competing in a non-sanctioned show.
The only basis that would apply, is if HE were suspended and lets say, Vince Taylor was not for the same infraction....NOW you would have a point to present.
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Too much suing going on. i miss the days where wit was the weapon of choice.
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I've already addressed this, but it keeps coming up.....
Lee is talking about using OTHER peoples issues to address his own...it won't fly in court (if it ever got there).
Using examples of OTHER people being disciplined or not disciplined for rules which have no direct correlation to your own case...would be irrelevant. One of Lee's examples was that some of the Female BBers have porn type websites, etc...and haven't been suspended. Whether this is true or not has NO BEARING on whether or not HE would be suspended for competing in a non-sanctioned show.
The only basis that would apply, is if HE were suspended and lets say, Vince Taylor was not for the same infraction....NOW you would have a point to present.
My final sentence explained exactly what you've said.
However, if an athlete has a signed contract to compete and he is not allowed to by the IFBB, can he sue the promoter for breach of contract if the contract does not include a reference to the rules?
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I've already addressed this, but it keeps coming up.....
Lee is talking about using OTHER peoples issues to address his own...it won't fly in court (if it ever got there).
Using examples of OTHER people being disciplined or not disciplined for rules which have no direct correlation to your own case...would be irrelevant. One of Lee's examples was that some of the Female BBers have porn type websites, etc...and haven't been suspended. Whether this is true or not has NO BEARING on whether or not HE would be suspended for competing in a non-sanctioned show.
The only basis that would apply, is if HE were suspended and lets say, Vince Taylor was not for the same infraction....NOW you would have a point to present.
Not so Bob, it could very well lead to prejudice and or bias. They have selectively used the rules enforcing and not enforcing as they saw fit to do.
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Let's face it if someone turns up to compete at a show where the IFBB has hired the venue nothing is stopping them from having them thrown out of the building by security if they want. They are paying the bills and are in charge.
After the fact that person could try sueing but the IFBB have way deeper pockets and experience than any pro has regarding legal matters.
Lee may have signed an Olympia contract but that was before he broke IFBB rules by signing with another organisation.
Lee would lose in court IMO since the rules to pros are clearly set out. What has happened in the past regarding enforcement or non-enforcement wouldn't really have any bearing on things to a judge. All that matters is that the rule was in place when he broke it (which they can prove easily) and that when he does break it they notify him of the infringement in writing and say they are enforcing the enfringement.
The executive council's decision would be final plain and simple since it's their organisation to run as they see fit.
They even have clauses in the constitution about this...
1.5 Interpretation:
It is recognized that the Rules cannot encompass every possible
situation wherein written guidance might be sought in the
resolution of an issue. In such cases, the President has sole
authority to interpret any matter arising out of the Rules, or any
matter not encompassed by the Rules, said interpretation to be
final and binding.
1.6 Intent:
It is not intended that the Rules be considered as "cast in stone"
but instead, as guidelines. Each and every issue arising out of the
Rules must be judged on its own merits with the primary
consideration given to that which is in the best interests of the
sport of Bodybuilding.
Now if Jay Cutler said he wanted to do the PDI and the Olympia then it would get very interesting...
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Why are you so rude and profane? in real life, when someone disagrees with you, do you act like such a fool? I'm being good here now, and I'm arguing seriously here.
Yes in real life when I encounter extremely annoying buttheads I am usually rude and profane to them. Yes even when they're bigger than me and yes it has gotten me in deeper than I like a few times. But that's just me you stupid A-hole.
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Yes in real life when I encounter extremely annoying buttheads I am usually rude and profane to them. Yes even when they're bigger than me and yes it has gotten me in deeper than I like a few times. But that's just me you stupid A-hole.
stalker.
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stalker.
Jackass.
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My final sentence explained exactly what you've said.
However, if an athlete has a signed contract to compete and he is not allowed to by the IFBB, can he sue the promoter for breach of contract if the contract does not include a reference to the rules?
Exactly, Kev....
No, he could not sue the promoter ,since the promoter has agreed to abide by the rules set forth by the IFBB when he paid his sanction fee...the contract merely states that the competitor will compete in said show...the show still falls under IFBB rules and rgs.
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imagine if any other sport operated like this...
weiders are like team owners, they're millionaires. the Bbers are the basketball players...
imagine the NBA players, earning $250 a week. Selling dope, hanging out on GetTall.com all day bashing each other... The games getting cancelled now and then... man, that would rule...
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Let's face it if someone turns up to compete at a show where the IFBB has hired the venue nothing is stopping them from having them thrown out of the building by security if they want. They are paying the bills and are in charge.
After the fact that person could try sueing but the IFBB have way deeper pockets and experience than any pro has regarding legal matters.
Lee may have signed an Olympia contract but that was before he broke IFBB rules by signing with another organisation.
Lee would lose in court IMO since the rules to pros are clearly set out. What has happened in the past regarding enforcement or non-enforcement wouldn't really have any bearing on things to a judge. All that matters is that the rule was in place when he broke it (which they can prove easily) and that when he does break it they notify him of the infringement in writing and say they are enforcing the enfringement.
The executive council's decision would be final plain and simple since it's their organisation to run as they see fit.
They even have clauses in the constitution about this...
1.5 Interpretation:
It is recognized that the Rules cannot encompass every possible
situation wherein written guidance might be sought in the
resolution of an issue. In such cases, the President has sole
authority to interpret any matter arising out of the Rules, or any
matter not encompassed by the Rules, said interpretation to be
final and binding.
1.6 Intent:
It is not intended that the Rules be considered as "cast in stone"
but instead, as guidelines. Each and every issue arising out of the
Rules must be judged on its own merits with the primary
consideration given to that which is in the best interests of the
sport of Bodybuilding.
Now if Jay Cutler said he wanted to do the PDI and the Olympia then it would get very interesting...
If you think that the IFBB selectively banning some guys and not others would not be an issue in court you're wrong! Show me in the rule book about what it says concerning competing in another organization. By the way, I didn't think, but I could be wrong that PDI was an org.
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PDI is a sports entertainment company.
IFBB is a Canadian nonprofit org.
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If you think that the IFBB selectively banning some guys and not others would not be an issue in court you're wrong! Show me in the rule book about what it says concerning competing in another organization. By the way, I didn't think, but I could be wrong that PDI was an org.
So your theory is that they can't be banned because the PDI is a company and the IFBB is a sports organisation?
Who knows...
I guess one thing from a court's point of view is whether the organisations are recognised by the government of the country where the suit would be heard (ie. the united states) as organisers of the said sport. Most sports have a government acknowledged body that runs them.
Is the IFBB even recognised by the US goverment or is the sport of bodybuilding even recognised by the US goverment?
As i've said before if the PDI wants to tow the "we're a company" line then they should be paying thses guys a monthly salary to perform a service for said company (ie. promote and compete in their show) with the prize money being performance bonuses.
I think the whole thing is very interesting...
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imagine if any other sport operated like this...
weiders are like team owners, they're millionaires. the Bbers are the basketball players...
imagine the NBA players, earning $250 a week. Selling dope, hanging out on GetTall.com all day bashing each other... The games getting cancelled now and then... man, that would rule...
I thought that everybody finally agreed on that the Weiders weren't "pulling the strings" in pro BB, and haven't been for the last 10 years?
YIP
Zack
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I thought that everybody finally agreed on that the Weiders weren't "pulling the strings" in pro BB, and haven't been for the last 10 years?
YIP
Zack
nah, they're filling diapers and arguing about 1950's boxers these days. but they still have all the money.
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One thing we need to realize is that nobody outside the sport (or even the majority inside really...) do or have ever really cared about the way the IFBB runs things.
Sure they complain about lots of stuff.
But does anybody really believe Lee Preist will bother spending the money it takes to sue the IFBB not to mention the time and stress involved with it all. Don't forget if he loses he could be up for various costs on top of his lawyers fees.
Kamali could do it because he has the cash behind him and is an angry little man but I doubt Lee will bother. Sueing the IFBB would cost a packet to win.
In the end he'll have played right into Wayne's hands since he can say "oh well now you can just compete for me instead dude"
Wayne WANTS Lee to have no choice but to rely on HIS show/s. This is the way wayne has operated for 30 years...
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But does anybody really believe Lee Preist will bother spending the money it takes to sue the IFBB not to mention the time and stress involved with it all. Don't forget if he loses he could be up for various costs on top of his lawyers fees.
Kamali could do it because he has the cash behind him and is an angry little man but I doubt Lee will bother. Sueing the IFBB would cost a packet to win.
In the end he'll have played right into Wayne's hands since he can say "oh well now you can just compete for me instead dude"
Wayne WANTS Lee to have no choice but to rely on HIS show/s. This is the way wayne has operated for 30 years...
Just my opinion, but Lee might not be the only one suing, and he might have a backer in the PDI.. Hell, they may see it as fighting for ALL IFBB guys to have the right to compete in both.
I dunno what DeMilia's longterm intentions are... but... I do know that he is making it very clear that 1) The PDI is different from the IFBB- diff standards, etc, and 2) He says guys should be able to do both divisions and have as many shots at $ as possible.
maybe a monoploy is in the plans, who knows. if so, I'll be building sites for the BGI (Big Guts, Inc.) athletes in a year or two ;)
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Just my opinion, but Lee might not be the only one suing, and he might have a backer in the PDI.. Hell, they may see it as fighting for ALL IFBB guys to have the right to compete in both.
I dunno what DeMilia's longterm intentions are... but... I do know that he is making it very clear that 1) The PDI is different from the IFBB- diff standards, etc, and 2) He says guys should be able to do both divisions and have as many shots at $ as possible.
maybe a monoploy is in the plans, who knows. if so, I'll be building sites for the BGI (Big Guts, Inc.) athletes in a year or two ;)
Not all guys in the IFBB want to compete in the PDI...actually, few have expressed interest, and word has it, the few who have are having second thoughts.
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Just my opinion, but Lee might not be the only one suing, and he might have a backer in the PDI.. Hell, they may see it as fighting for ALL IFBB guys to have the right to compete in both.
I dunno what DeMilia's longterm intentions are... but... I do know that he is making it very clear that 1) The PDI is different from the IFBB- diff standards, etc, and 2) He says guys should be able to do both divisions and have as many shots at $ as possible.
maybe a monoploy is in the plans, who knows. if so, I'll be building sites for the BGI (Big Guts, Inc.) athletes in a year or two ;)
Wayne can't offer contracts and security so he offers "freedom"
Something which he can't really guarantee but which when it's denied he can say "It wasn't my fault..."
He is smart... ;)
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Not all guys in the IFBB want to compete in the PDI...actually, few have expressed interest, and word has it, the few who have are having second thoughts.
I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous.
You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI. Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".
I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!
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I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous.
You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI. Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".
I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!
I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.
Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...
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I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.
Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...
okay. thanks.
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I must say, for the IFBB Athlete's Rep to say this publicly is very dangerous.
You've just announced that Vince Taylor and Lee Priest are having second thoughts about joining the PDI. Your use of the phrase "the few" implies plural, and since I believe the only two announced guys are Lee and Vince, they have to be your "few".
I hope you can back this up lol... very huge statement here!
Rob who cares if he can't back it up bro?
Bob can speculate as much as he wants same as us...
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I don't have to back up shit...
yeah, we've noticed.
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So your theory is that they can't be banned because the PDI is a company and the IFBB is a sports organisation?
Who knows...
I guess one thing from a court's point of view is whether the organisations are recognised by the government of the country where the suit would be heard (ie. the united states) as organisers of the said sport. Most sports have a government acknowledged body that runs them.
Is the IFBB even recognised by the US goverment or is the sport of bodybuilding even recognised by the US goverment?
As i've said before if the PDI wants to tow the "we're a company" line then they should be paying thses guys a monthly salary to perform a service for said company (ie. promote and compete in their show) with the prize money being performance bonuses.
I think the whole thing is very interesting...
Actually, It wasn't my theory but it did cross my mind. These guys pay a membership to belong to the IFBB. They are not salaried employees, but according to the IFBB they are not allowed to compete in ather bodybuiliing shows except the IFBB. So in essence they are keeping them from earning a living. Would it be legal for them to write in the provisions that they are not allowed to work or would it just depend on what type of job they had? You're right about this being an interesting affair. I don't think that it is a matter of win or lose for the IFBB. I don't think that they want to be in court in the first place. Jay Cutler threatined to sue and they immediately dropped his disqualification. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. It will be interesting.
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Rob who cares if he can't back it up bro?
Bob can speculate as much as he wants same as us...
I'm not flaming... lol... but....
Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep. I am not sure it's responsible to publicly "out" Lee and Vince (The only two IFBB guys- so it HAS to be them from his statement). It was stated by fact, but a man with an IFBB title.
I don't see speculation there. I saw a statement of fact: "the few who have are having second thoughts".
I'm not being a prick... but this is actually newsworthy in the PDi saga.
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I'm not flaming... lol... but....
Bob is the IFBB Athlete's Rep. I am not sure it's responsible to publicly "out" Lee and Vince (The only two IFBB guys- so it HAS to be them from his statement). It was stated by fact, but a man with an IFBB title.
I don't see speculation there. I saw a statement of fact: "the few who have are having second thoughts".
I'm not being a prick... but this is actually newsworthy in the PDi saga.
He said the "word" is they are having second thoughts.
He may have heard it from those guy's themselves, he may had heard it from the counter guy at Max Muscle.
Who knows.
I heard the "word" is that Tom Cruise sucks cock and his ex screwed a security guard at Sydney Fox studios when they were married but it doesn't mean I need or have to back it up just to say I heard the rumor...
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He said the "word" is they are having second thoughts.
He may have heard it from those guy's themselves, he may had heard it from the counter guy at Max Muscle.
Who knows.
Fair enough. I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards. I guess I have a lot to learn.
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Fair enough. I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards. I guess I have a lot to learn.
I'm not saying Bob should have said it or kept his mouth closed but that his judgement to make.
The foundation the PDI is built on is starting to look a little shaky though you have to admit and the reason is simple... $
Joe Weider had the means and was smart enough to know guys wouldn't/couldn't compete if they don't get some cash upfront towards their shows.
He did it through weider nutrition or weider publication contracts but they all stipulated that you had to compete during the term of that contract.
Classic example was 1994.
Weider had the masters mr olympia show to promote for the first time and only one really recognisable guy competing (Lou Ferrigno). They put out a search for Robby Robinson in eourope and when they found him asked if he wanted to compete in the contest.
Robby was nobodies fool by this stage and said sure but give me some prep money or piss off. Weider gave him some cash to get in shape and he did it.
Lee/Vince should have done the same with wayne...
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I'm not saying Bob should have said it or kept his mouth closed but that his judgement to make.
The foundation the PDI is built on is starting to look a little shaky though you have to admit and the reason is simple... $
Joe Weider had the means and was smart enough to know guys wouldn't/couldn't compete if they don't get some cash upfront towards their shows.
He did it through weider nutrition or weider publication contracts but they all stipulated that you had to compete during the term of that contract.
Classic example was 1994.
Weider had the masters mr olympia show to promote for the first time and only one really recognisable guy competing (Lou Ferrigno). They put out a search for Robby Robinson in eourope and when they found him asked if he wanted to compete in the contest.
Robby was nobodies fool by this stage and said sure but give me some prep money or piss off. Weider gave him some cash to get in shape and he did it.
Lee/Vince should have done the same with wayne...
Are you saying they're NOT getting paid to sign with PDI?
How did DeMilia get them to change then?
YIP
Zack`
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Are you saying they're NOT getting paid to sign with PDI?
How did DeMilia get them to change then?
YIP
Zack`
Fast talking maybe? ;)
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IFBB is a Canadian nonprofit org.
Then why are annual IFBB dues paid in U.S. dollars?
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Wayne WANTS Lee to have no choice but to rely on HIS show/s. This is the way wayne has operated for 30 years...
So Lee Priest is getting played by the PDI boys.
Who would've known..
YIP
Zack
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Then why are annual IFBB dues paid in U.S. dollars?
To avoid problems with currency exchange rates.
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Fair enough. I guess sometimes I fail to see where the line is drawn between starting unsubstantiated rumors "word on the street is...") about a competitor's employees in an attempt to undermine the reputation and hurt ticket sales, and just speculating on message boards. I guess I have a lot to learn.
Aren't all rumors unsubstantiated?
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Aren't all rumors unsubstantiated?
Dunno.
Should a man with the title 'Athlete's Representative" be spreading them about the athletes he represents?
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I don't believe I mentioned any names...you did.
Interpret it as you wish. I don't have to back up shit...
Chick, If you are going to make claims...you do have to back up shit.
You ambiguously stated that the few athletes that have expressed interest are having second thoughts.
I am sure thats what they are telling you, but my question to you is, why don't you have to back up shit?
Are we to just take what you say as gospel, when you question everyone yourself and tell everyone they have to back up what they say, and when you don't agree, they are idiots.
You, above all, should have to back up shit, especially with the statement you made. I would love to know who said that to you, and if you are not willing to reveral such things, then you should not make thosse statement.
believe me, I could make statments about you and others concerning things that you and others have said, but I don't because then I would have to back it up, thus brining people into it that I wish not to.
you do have to back up shit, or don't make statements. Do you really think, in the position you are, that athletes trust telling you anything??????????
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Chick, If you are going to make claims...you do have to back up shit.
You ambiguously stated that the few athletes that have expressed interest are having second thoughts.
I am sure thats what they are telling you, but my question to you is, why don't you have to back up shit?
Are we to just take what you say as gospel, when you question everyone yourself and tell everyone they have to back up what they say, and when you don't agree, they are idiots.
You, above all, should have to back up shit, especially with the statement you made. I would love to know who said that to you, and if you are not willing to reveral such things, then you should not make thosse statement.
believe me, I could make statments about you and others concerning things that you and others have said, but I don't because then I would have to back it up, thus brining people into it that I wish not to.
you do have to back up shit, or don't make statements. Do you really think, in the position you are, that athletes trust telling you anything??????????
If I stated it as a fact, I would indeed back it up myself. I specifically said "WORD IS..."
Being that I DON'T breach any privacy between athletes/ business (believe me, I'm trusted with many peoples business affairs, etc)....I won't reveal my source(s).
My reputation is solid, and the athletes trust me to represent them knowing that I have THEIR best interests in mind.
Besides all that...whats the big deal? Of course Pro athletes will have 2nd thoughts...and 3rd and 4th. You are in a "no-lose" situation, Jack...they arent. BIG DIFFERENCE.
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If I stated it as a fact, I would indeed back it up myself. I specifically said "WORD IS..."
Being that I DON'T breach any privacy between athletes/ business (believe me, I'm trusted with many peoples business affairs, etc)....I won't reveal my source(s).
My reputation is solid, and the athletes trust me to represent them knowing that I have THEIR best interests in mind.
Besides all that...whats the big deal? Of course Pro athletes will have 2nd thoughts...and 3rd and 4th. You are in a "no-lose" situation, Jack...they arent. BIG DIFFERENCE.
Everyhting you say is true. You know what I am saying, and I have always admired what you say. I think that there is alot of he said, she said. People saying things to you, me and others(you know who I mean). I think it's obvious, those who are doing well with the ifbb are going to be loyal there, and visa versa. My problem is that I think there is enough for everyone, competition is good for the industry, you know this is true. I refuse to hate on people just because they are "with the ifbb" or whatever. I have spoken to many pros who are happy for me, as you say my situation is different, you are right, I guess I am being unrealistic..Like, I would love to have gone to the master shaow and cheered you on, as I think you are a great bodybuilder, and think it would be great to have my ifbb freinds cheer me on, problem is.. thats not gonna happen.
Shit, I think you would be a good fit for the PDI. I know you are doing well where you are, and again I want to stress I am a fan of yours, I don't care ifbb, PDI whatever.
Stay cool bro.
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Mmm, I'd argue that anyone outside the top 10-15 or so - which means we're talking about the vast majority of currently registered IFBB pros - is also in a no-lose situation. The only real difference between them and Rhino is that they hold IFBB pro cards and he does not...none of them ever has a chance of placing in the money at an IFBB event and most are pretty unknown, so it's not like they're being used to help sell anyone's products.
The rank-and-file pro bodybuilders go about the business of working as lineup fillers and almost all of them give a solid effort in preparing for events *just* for the privilege on being on stage against some of the best in the world. For many, it isn't the money, it's the prestige. They've worked hard to achieve something that few other men in history have done - earning an IFBB pro card - and they don't attach the same level of prestige to the upstart PDI...nor should they.
Change is a slow and gradual thing, until money starts changing hands. If PDI pays out $150,000 in cash to a group of athletes this fall, then by next year, I'm sure that several more of the IFBB guys will begin thinking about giving the PDI a try. For the time being, though, the PDI has no history of success for people to use in evaluating their options. Those men absolutely SHOULD be taking a wait-and-see approach...as should almost all of us in fan-land, too.
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Lets not forget,Tre, that at one time Ronnie Coleman was a "line-up filler" as you put it....
Guys out of the top 10-15 are trying to get there, as any athlete is in their respective sport....there are also plenty of non-top10 guys that have very good contracts as spokesman for supp. companies...there is also tradition and history that they (athletes) are following and trying to make their own name in the IFBB.
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Those men absolutely SHOULD be taking a wait-and-see approach...as should almost all of us in fan-land, too.
This is exactly why the PDI will have trouble staying around. Fans and bodybuilders will take the wait and see approach but wayne hasn't got the resources to keep losing money without initial large scale support from both athletes and fans.
same as his "promoters" they won't be putting onshows for very long without some bigger names to sell them...
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Lets not forget,Tre, that at one time Ronnie Coleman was a "line-up filler" as you put it....
The only reason you expect the name "Ronnie Coleman" to be an argument-stopper here is because he's Mr. Olympia - that is to say, a first-place finisher [however questionably] against the world's best competition. But unless the IFBB goes out of business altogether - and I don't think even Wayne has his sights set that high - the world's best competition is something that PDI will never be able to offer. Which means that the most ambitious pros won't compete there, and you end up with a self-reinforcing cycle.
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Good point, Chick, and you're right. The dream is there for a lot of the guys who *I* might think will never have a legitimate shot to win any money...almost any one of them *could* become the Next Great Thing.
That's enough to keep most of them around...if they test the waters elsewhere, they'll quite likely lose any chance of ever becoming #1 in the world.
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That's enough to keep most of them around...if they test the waters elsewhere, they'll quite likely lose any chance of ever becoming #1 in the world.
imagine if Ronnie Coleman had done a JO movie back 95 or 96. No matter how he looked, he'd still be getting ninth at shows.
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Lets not forget,Tre, that at one time Ronnie Coleman was a "line-up filler" as you put it....
Guys out of the top 10-15 are trying to get there, as any athlete is in their respective sport....there are also plenty of non-top10 guys that have very good contracts as spokesman for supp. companies...there is also tradition and history that they (athletes) are following and trying to make their own name in the IFBB.
Even a "line filler" like Ronnie Coleman would do the PDI some good as those line fillers were IFBB pro athletes.
The PDI is suffering due to lack of actual pro athletes and bringing in all these amatuers is simply making it worse. The audience wants to see legit pros, not something that you can see at any local NPC event.
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Even a "line filler" like Ronnie Coleman would do the PDI some good as those line fillers were IFBB pro athletes.
The PDI is suffering due to lack of actual pro athletes and bringing in all these amatuers is simply making it worse. The audience wants to see legit pros, not something that you can see at any local NPC event.
you are legit, right Vince?
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you are legit, right Vince?
Nope, his friend posting
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Nope, his friend posting
can you please share your opinions on Vince as a bodybuilder?
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can you please share your opinions on Vince as a bodybuilder?
He fucked up a show royally. There were a few judges chuckling at him but he held his ground and didn't walk off or anything. Something few people have the balls to do.
He'll handle his business soon enough.
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He fucked up a show royally. There were a few judges chuckling at him but he held his ground and didn't walk off or anything. Something few people have the balls to do.
He'll handle his business soon enough.
were you there?
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He fucked up a show royally. There were a few judges chuckling at him but he held his ground and didn't walk off or anything. Something few people have the balls to do.
He'll handle his business soon enough.
Thats what I like to hear. Vince has brass balls, alright. he is definitely one of my faves.
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were you there?
Yep, I was there. It was a great show even though it was held in a worn down school. Last show before it became a national qualifier.
BTW. If you're wondering about Vince, he's at the doctor. Return Check-up for flu and future treatment for arthritis and RLS.
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Did someone yell
GET OFF THE FUCKING STAGE YOU 'DOUCHE!!
did they ??
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BTW. If you're wondering about Vince, he's at the doctor. Return Check-up for flu and future treatment for arthritis and RLS.
Eastern standard time, he's at the doc at 7 pm?
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Did someone yell
GET OFF THE FUCKING STAGE YOU 'DOUCHE!!
did they ??
Nope, everyone in the audience was professional and the night routine actually got the crowd pumped up. Good applause afterwards.
No-one got booed, even some of the "mutants" that went onstage.
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Eastern standard time, he's at the doc at 7 pm?
Yeah, offices stay open until 8pm. There a problem with that???
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How can a guy sooo smart , well smart enough to be a doctor..be that naive to think he can stand up on stage and say...he look at this ..what do you think ??? I mean he has to be suffering from the most severe case of body dismorphia..... he looks in the mirror and sees ronnie coleman or lee haney ... is he for real ??
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Yeah, offices stay open until 8pm. There a problem with that???
Nope. But you have to understand some here having issues with believing what the Vince g account says. Goodrun has lied about a job with the cardinals, selling his store, fights with Grundy, competitions, and several other hoaxes.
In real life, he's not like that, right? I know many of us use an alter ego on the boards.
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In real life, he's not like that, right? I know many of us use an alter ego on the boards.
For instance ... On the boards Im Victor Martinez !!!
but in reality im just a yuppie from the city with a nice car, a hot gf, and a crib where I blaze trees.... :'( :'( :'(
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Nope, everyone in the audience was professional and the night routine actually got the crowd pumped up. Good applause afterwards.
No-one got booed, even some of the "mutants" that went onstage.
any reason you don't use your own account?
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Nope. But you have to understand some here having issues with believing what the Vince g account says. Goodrun has lied about a job with the cardinals, selling his store, fights with Grundy, competitions, and several other hoaxes.
In real life, he's not like that, right? I know many of us use an alter ego on the boards.
Selling the store and going back into pro wrestling was last years April Fools Day joke, The Cardinals and selling the store was this years April Fools Day joke.
Grundy is the one who actually started with Vince threatening to post his pictures in Muscle Mag and calling him tittie-man. That's why he bought out his domain name. As far the fights are concerned, look how many people Grundy's challenged to a fight. People should know better by now but if they are too ignorant to figure it out, that's on them.
Hoaxes are jokes....not lies...240.
As far as his daily actions, he's pretty much all business. Doesn't mess around one bit.
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Selling the store and going back into pro wrestling was last years April Fools Day joke, The Cardinals and selling the store was this years April Fools Day joke.
Grundy is the one who actually started with Vince threatening to post his pictures in Muscle Mag and calling him tittie-man. That's why he bought out his domain name. As far the fights are concerned, look how many people Grundy's challenged to a fight. People should know better by now but if they are too ignorant to figure it out, that's on them.
Hoaxes are jokes....not lies...240.
As far as his daily actions, he's pretty much all business. Doesn't mess around one bit.
If there really are multiple people using this account that is one thing, but, if only Vince is posting under this, please get help man. In all seriousness, I can't imagine thinking "your" way and having that many "personalities" is healthy.
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If there really are multiple people using this account that is one thing, but, if only Vince is posting under this, please get help man. In all seriousness, I can't imagine thinking "your" way and having that many "personalities" is healthy.
I don't anything with using his account especially if he knows about it. This account has always been
used by other folks. Its no different than the Mowerville account. Message boards are to have fun. Few things are to be taken seriously.
I'm done posting for today. Vince may come on late tonight and say something if he's feeling ok. Later
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Oh brother...
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Vince may come on late tonight and say something if he's feeling ok.
That line kinda makes it sound contrived. If you were really logging off you'd just close the browser and go about your day. To set teh stage for your exit and vince's return - if he feels like it- is fishy. 'he might say something if he's feeling okay'? come on...
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Vince, now you are pretending you are multiple people. What next?
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I don't anything with using his account especially if he knows about it. This account has always been
used by other folks. Its no different than the Mowerville account. Message boards are to have fun. Few things are to be taken seriously.
I'm done posting for today. Vince may come on late tonight and say something if he's feeling ok. Later
Well someone is working overtime to copycat Vince. They have the same problem with sentence structure. Oh yeah. And you started shit with Guy Grundy. Not the other way around.