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i love them..and today it's all i had in the fridge to take to work to eat...
so now i have a package of hot dogs and buns...
could it be worse? ??? lol are hotdog's really THAT bad?
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No problem unless you care about high sodium, monosodium glutamate and sodium nitrate. Read this, you may never eat another hot dog:
"Hot Dogs: Do They Contain Safe Ingredients?" by Katie Gissy
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~ewen/hot_dogs.htm
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if you kill my hotlink vib i'm gonna be e-pissed >:(
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hot dogs are gross stick to a fat double quarter pounder with cheese
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Hey, make it even worse. slap it in a white breat hot dog roll (simple carbs) add tons of ketchup (Ketchup contains Methylparaben which is a paraben which stimulates an estrogenic response in the body) and slug down a beer.
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Rambo, I don't know if that ketchup thing is true. Maybe I just don't want to believe. :-\
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Goatboy loves weiners.
thems the breaks
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i love them..and today it's all i had in the fridge to take to work to eat...
so now i have a package of hot dogs and buns...
could it be worse? ??? lol are hotdog's really THAT bad?
LOL..HOTDOGS are the WORST EVAAR! Very bad for you. But if your body can handle it Dooo EET! Once in a while, who cares, were all human, and life is short- haha. alittle cheat food here and there wont make you fat if your eating properly majority of the time.
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Rambo, I don't know if that ketchup thing is true. Maybe I just don't want to believe. :-\
I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben. Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass. Mayonnaise is another big offender.
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I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben. Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass. Mayonnaise is another big offender.
Wtf? I've been eating ketchup like crazy.
I thought it was good, cause it contained some anti-oxidant. Read it was good against cancer.
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Hot dogs are a fun food to eat and enjoy, just dont make it part of your day.
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Bullshit
Eloquent first post Maddy.
Hot dogs are disgusting.
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Hey, make it even worse. slap it in a white breat hot dog roll (simple carbs) add tons of ketchup (Ketchup contains Methylparaben which is a paraben which stimulates an estrogenic response in the body)
I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben. Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass. Mayonnaise is another big offender.
That is true, however, you’re referring to this article which, like I’ve said before, is only providing part of the story.
Estrogen lurks
Muscle & Fitness, Sept, 2005 by Dwayne Jackson
If you're concerned about maintaining a healthy physique, carefully read the Ingredients list of your favorite shampoo, soap and toothpaste. You should even check all your hygiene and prepared food products. What are you looking for? Parabens--a group of chemicals widely used as preservatives in cosmetic, self-hygiene and food products. While paraben is the common name for this class of chemical, it may appear on labels as methylparaben, propylparaben, ethylparaben, butylparaben and benzylparaben.
Parabens affect the body in a manner similar to estrogen, a female hormone; high concentrations in males can lead to higher bodyfat, lower muscle mass and gynecomastia. Research confirms that parabens bind to estrogen receptors and induce effects comparable to those of estrogen. In one British study, benzylparaben applied to the skin of immature female mice increased the size of their uteruses, a result similar to that caused by pure estrogen. Some studies have even found intact parabens in human breast tumors.
REFERENCES
Darbre, P.D., et al. Journal of Applied Toxicology 23(1):43-51, 2003.
Darbre, P.D., et al. Journal of Applied Toxicology 24(1):5-13, 2004.
RELATED ARTICLE: PARABEN PARADE
Here are some products that commonly contain paraben preservatives. Read labels carefully before purchasing any of these items.
SELF-HYGIENE/PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS FOOD PRODUCTS
Soaps and toothpastes Marinated fish products
Shampoos and conditioners Salad dressings
Hair-styling and skin-care products Mayonnaise
Antiperspirants and deodorants Mustard
Moisturizing lotions and creams Spiced sauces
Eye, ear and nose drops Processed vegetables
Rectal and vaginal medications Frozen dairy products
Bandages Jams and jellies
Local anesthetics Soft drinks and fruit juices
Sunscreens Baked goods and candy
BY DWAYNE JACKSON, PHD
COPYRIGHT 2005 Weider Publications
You may recall this
Do you honestly believe the small amount of mayo someone might use will make that much difference? If that's the case, then boys, you best avoid everything on this list.
Soaps and toothpastes
Shampoos and conditioners
Hair-styling and skin-care products
Antiperspirants and deodorants
Moisturizing lotions and creams
Eye, ear and nose drops
Bandages
Local anesthetics
Sunscreens
Baked goods and candy
Mustard
Spiced sauces
Processed vegetables
Soft drinks and fruit juices
Frozen dairy products
Jams and jellies
to which you replied
The above is a grossly overbroad statement. CERTAIN of those products do contain parabens. In fact, I think it was Muscle and Fitness that in the last few months identified the specific chemicals to look for on labels and to remove those products from your shelves. Chemical accumulation in the body is a cumulative process, and if not eating something something like mayo, or avoiding a certain poduct helps avoid the accumulation of those chemicals, it makes good sense to do so. The poster wanted advice on what to mix with Tuna. Mayo, even low fat mayo is simply bad advice when there are healthier alternatives.
No one is saying parabens are a good thing, but understand what you're saying and present it rationally. Suggesting guys ban catsup, mayo and other condiments from their lives is absurd.
“Recent evidence from over a dozen scientific studies has indicated that several types of parabens can bind to the estrogen receptor and cause estrogen-like responses when tested in laboratory animals or in a variety of tissue cultures. In studies using animals, the estrogenic effects were not found when fed, only when applied to or injected into the skin. There is no comprehensive research regarding the long-term effects of low-dose paraben use.
In these studies, the researchers looked at twenty (20) human breast tumours and found synthetic chemicals known as parabens in eighteen (18) of them. The level of parabens in four of the tumours so high that it could have had a damaging biological effect on cells. It is the first time parabens (para-hydroxybenzoic acids) have been detected within tumours, suggesting that the man-made chemicals accumulated in the breast tissue after being absorbed through the skin.
So, if you're that concerned about it, look at your hygiene products.
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Chemical accumulation in the tissues is a cumulative process, and if you wish to diminish the estrogenic effects, as any MALE bodybuilder would be WELL advised to do, you will eliminate those products (yes, ketchup and mayo) that contribute to that effect. As I said before NOT ALL hygenie products have paraben chemicals in them which is a grossly overbroad implication. I've read articles advising bodybuilder how to recognize the advesre products and eliminate them form your cabinets. I stand by my post.
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Awww geeez Princess you just made my week, ketchup rocks!! In moderation of course. ;D
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Awww geeez Princess you just made my week, ketchup rocks!! In moderation of course. ;D
There's a result-driven analysis if I've ever seen one!
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No one is saying parabens are a good thing, but understand what you're saying and present it rationally. Suggesting guys ban catsup, mayo and other condiments from their lives is absurd.[/color]
By the way, it's not absurd. They are easy to avoid and there are plenty of alternatives. To use your logic, to ban white flour or refined sugar from your diet is absurd because there are so many products available which contain it.
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Chemical accumulation in the tissues is a cumulative process, and if you wish to diminish the estrogenic effects, as any MALE bodybuilder would be WELL advised to do, you will eliminate those products (yes, ketchup and mayo) that contribute to that effect. As I said before NOT ALL hygenie products have paraben chemicals in them which is a grossly overbroad implication. I've read articles advising bodybuilder how to recognize the advesre products and eliminate them form your cabinets. I stand by my post.
There are more important things to obsess about. Read the studies. The cumulative effect you're referring to is through transdermal administration. If that's not the case, provide evidence to the contrary.
By the way, it's not absurd. They are easy to avoid and there are plenty of alternatives. To use your logic, to ban white flour or refined sugar from your diet is absurd because there are so many products available which contain it.
Bad analogy.
Oh, and just what ingredient in a bottle of Heinz is a paraben?
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sorry but I am going to enjoy my hotdog, ber and nachos at the Braves game
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sorry but I am going to enjoy my hotdog, ber and nachos at the Braves game
Sounds like you are already enjoying the ber.
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Even if you paid me to I would not be able to eat these things.Damn nasty stuff!!Made w/what would be the waste meat products from the slaughterhouse.Only good thing about a hot dog is the bun its in!
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Even if you paid me to I would not be able to eat these things.Damn nasty stuff!!Made w/what would be the waste meat products from the slaughterhouse.Only good thing about a hot dog is the bun its in!
I think that used to be the case, but not so much anymore. Personally, I still wouldn't eat them anyway :-X too many "mystery ingredients" as with most processed meats.
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There are more important things to obsess about. Read the studies. The cumulative effect you're referring to is through transdermal administration. If that's not the case, provide evidence to the contrary.
Bad analogy.
Oh, and just what ingredient in a bottle of Heinz is a paraben?
OK, "Princess" why don't you represent that instead of a single muscle and fitness article you have read each and every one of these articles (studies demonstrating an estrogen-mimic effect of parabens) and feel qualified to now advise posters that ingestion of parabens is completely safe and not better avoided:
Blair, R. M., Fang, H., Branham, W. S., Hass, B. S., Dial, S. L., Moland, C. L., Tong, W., SHi, L., Perkins, R., and Sheehan, D. M. (2000). The estrogen receptor relative binding affinities of 188 natural and xenochemicals: structural diversity of ligands. Toxicological Sciences 54, 138-153.
Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Drew, M. G., Pope, G. S., Sauer, M. J., and Darbre, P. D. (2002). Oestrognic activity of parabens in MCF7 human breast cancer cells. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 80, 49-60.
Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Hall, S., Coldham, N. G., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. J. (2003). Oestrogenic activity of benzylparaben. Journal of Applied Toxicology 23, 43-51.
Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Horton, R. A., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. (2002). Oestrogenic activity of isobutylparaben In vitro and In vivo. Journal of Applied Toxicology 22, 219-226.
Inui, M., Tetsuya, A., Takenaka, S., Inui, H., Nakazawa, M., Ueda, M., Watanabe, H., Mori, C., Iguchi, T., and Miyatake, K. (2003). Effects o f UV screens and preservatives on vitellogenin and choriogenin production in male medaka (Oryzias latipes). Toxicology 194, 43-50.
Kang, K.-S., Cho, S.-D., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Additive estrogenic activities of the binary mixtures of four estrogenic chemicals in recombinant yeast expressing estrogen receptor. Journal of Veterinary Science 3, 1-5.
Lemini, C., Silva, G., Timossi, C., Luque, D., Valverde, A., and Gonzales-Martinez, M. (1997). Estrogenic effects of p-hydroxybenzoic acid in CD1 mice. 130-134.
Okubo, T., Yokoyama, Y., Kano, K., and Kano, I. (2001). ER-dependent estrogenic activity of parabens assessed by proliferation of human breast cancer
Pedersen, K. L., Pedersen, S. N., Christiansen, L. B., Korgaard, B., and Bjerregaard, P. (2000). The preservatives ethyl-, propyl- and butylparaben are oestrogenic in an in vivo fish assay. Pharmacology & Toxicology 86, 110-113.
Routledge, E. J., Parker, J., Odum, J., Ashby, J., and Sumpter, J. P. (1998). Some alkyl hydroxy benzoate preservatives (parabens) are estrogenic. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology 153, 12-19.
Vinggaard, A. M., Kroner, W., Lund, K. H., Bolz, U., and Peterson, J. H. (2000). Identification and quatification of estrogenic compounds in recycled and virgin paper for household use as determined by an in vitro yeast estrogen screen and chemical analysis. Chemical Research in Toxicology 13, 1214-1222.
Fisher, J. S., Turner, K. J., Brown, D., and Sharpe, R. M. (1999). Effect of neonatal exposure to estrogenic compounds on development of the ducts of rat testis through puberty to adulthood. Environmental Health Perspectives 107, 397-405.
Kang, K.-S., Che, J.-H., Ryu, D.-Y., Kim, T.-W., Li, G.-X., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Decreased sperm number and motile activity on the F1 offspring maternally exposed to butyl p-hydroxybenzoic acid (butyl paraben). Journal of Veterinary Medical Science 64, 227-235.
Oishi, S. (2002a). Effects of butyl paraben on the male reproductive system in mice. Archives of Toxicology 76, 423-429.
Oishi, S. (2002b). Effects of propyl paraben on the male reproductive system. Food and Chemical Toxicology 40, 1807-1813.
Let me guess, you don't actually know. (Sort of like when you ASSumed that Brewers Yeast, since it was a vegetable source of protein, was therefore an incomplete source of protein and therefore dutifully reported such to another poster that it was an incomplete protein. Of course, completely false, as proven by actually reading the label and observing the amino acid profile).
And by the way "Princess" the high fructose corn syrup in ketchup and the high fat content of mayo isn't all that good for you either, but I'm sure you knew that.
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It seems awfully picky to talk about a little fructose! If that is all you consume, then that is bad. If you are worried about a little ketchup your meals must be pretty boring. If you are getting into contest condition, one thing, but just training and even staying lean, man give yourself a break 2 teaspoons of ketchup aint gonna kill your metabolism or even add a pound onto you. Then again I live in Chicago and the beef here kicks ass so it is nice to dip it in a little sauce every now and then. Stockyards!!!!
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Sounds like you are already enjoying the ber.
shhh, it was a long day.
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It seems awfully picky to talk about a little fructose! If that is all you consume, then that is bad. If you are worried about a little ketchup your meals must be pretty boring. If you are getting into contest condition, one thing, but just training and even staying lean, man give yourself a break 2 teaspoons of ketchup aint gonna kill your metabolism or even add a pound onto you. Then again I live in Chicago and the beef here kicks ass so it is nice to dip it in a little sauce every now and then. Stockyards!!!!
hey, enjoy yourself.... this debate is about ready to drive me to drink (which isn't all that helful to testosterone OR metabolism)
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:o
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My goodness the whole ketchup thing AGAIN...
From experience my ex-boyfriend LOVES ketchup-would go through more then 1/4 cup with a hamburger. If we ever went out and he had to use those little packets he would get pissed because he needed like 20 of them. He looks AMAZING-very "manly" even though he isn't dieting he hovers at about 6% or less, always has a 6-pack. He has been eating ketchup this way since he was a wee little boy and he somehow turned into a big 190 lb (natural) muscled man. Having a little (or more then a little) ketchup is ok and won't turned you into a woman. Like someone else mentioned if you are contest dieting you may want to think about it but getting so crazy over ketchup seems silly. I think the hot dog is the bigger offender and yes he ate those on occasion as well.
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My goodness the whole ketchup thing AGAIN...
From experience my ex-boyfriend LOVES ketchup-would go through more then 1/4 cup with a hamburger. If we ever went out and he had to use those little packets he would get pissed because he needed like 20 of them. He looks AMAZING-very "manly" even though he isn't dieting he hovers at about 6% or less, always has a 6-pack. He has been eating ketchup this way since he was a wee little boy and he somehow turned into a big 190 lb (natural) muscled man. Having a little (or more then a little) ketchup is ok and won't turned you into a woman. Like someone else mentioned if you are contest dieting you may want to think about it but getting so crazy over ketchup seems silly. I think the hot dog is the bigger offender and yes he ate those on occasion as well.
well I think the above CONCLUSIVE anecdotal evidence has ended the debate.
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In RI they have these joints called New York Systems. The wieners are cut from these 4' ropes into about 4" dogs. Grilled and smothered with meatsuce, onions, mustard and celery salt. You have 1 you taste it for days. From what I gather you can only get these things in RI. I can only imagine what kind of meat these things, gaggers, as they are affectionally called by the locals. None of the other 49 states sell em. That right their speaks volumes. Anybody ever had the pleasure?
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well I think the above CONCLUSIVE anecdotal evidence has ended the debate.
LMFAS...I thought this would help end the debate
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Repeat
There are more important things to obsess about. Read the studies. The cumulative effect you're referring to is through transdermal administration. If that's not the case, provide evidence to the contrary.
Oh, and just what ingredient in a bottle of Heinz is a paraben?
OK, "Princess" why don't you represent that instead of a single muscle and fitness article you have read each and every one of these articles (studies demonstrating an estrogen-mimic effect of parabens)
You’re the one who repeatedly brings up the Muscle & Fitness article. I just reprinted it for everyone to read.
and feel qualified to now advise posters that ingestion of parabens is completely safe and not better avoided
None of the studies you cited, nor any others have indicated there is ANY issue with parabens and condiment usage. These studies have concluded the cumulative effects are transdermal – THROUGH THE SKIN.
Blair, R. M., Fang, H., Branham, W. S., Hass, B. S., Dial, S. L., Moland, C. L., Tong, W., SHi, L., Perkins, R., and Sheehan, D. M. (2000). The estrogen receptor relative binding affinities of 188 natural and xenochemicals: structural diversity of ligands. Toxicological Sciences 54, 138-153.
Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Drew, M. G., Pope, G. S., Sauer, M. J., and Darbre, P. D. (2002). Oestrognic activity of parabens in MCF7 human breast cancer cells. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 80, 49-60.
Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Hall, S., Coldham, N. G., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. J. (2003). Oestrogenic activity of benzylparaben. Journal of Applied Toxicology 23, 43-51.
Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Horton, R. A., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. (2002). Oestrogenic activity of isobutylparaben In vitro and In vivo. Journal of Applied Toxicology 22, 219-226.
Inui, M., Tetsuya, A., Takenaka, S., Inui, H., Nakazawa, M., Ueda, M., Watanabe, H., Mori, C., Iguchi, T., and Miyatake, K. (2003). Effects o f UV screens and preservatives on vitellogenin and choriogenin production in male medaka (Oryzias latipes). Toxicology 194, 43-50.
Kang, K.-S., Cho, S.-D., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Additive estrogenic activities of the binary mixtures of four estrogenic chemicals in recombinant yeast expressing estrogen receptor. Journal of Veterinary Science 3, 1-5.
Lemini, C., Silva, G., Timossi, C., Luque, D., Valverde, A., and Gonzales-Martinez, M. (1997). Estrogenic effects of p-hydroxybenzoic acid in CD1 mice. 130-134.
Okubo, T., Yokoyama, Y., Kano, K., and Kano, I. (2001). ER-dependent estrogenic activity of parabens assessed by proliferation of human breast cancer
Pedersen, K. L., Pedersen, S. N., Christiansen, L. B., Korgaard, B., and Bjerregaard, P. (2000). The preservatives ethyl-, propyl- and butylparaben are oestrogenic in an in vivo fish assay. Pharmacology & Toxicology 86, 110-113.
Routledge, E. J., Parker, J., Odum, J., Ashby, J., and Sumpter, J. P. (1998). Some alkyl hydroxy benzoate preservatives (parabens) are estrogenic. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology 153, 12-19.
Vinggaard, A. M., Kroner, W., Lund, K. H., Bolz, U., and Peterson, J. H. (2000). Identification and quatification of estrogenic compounds in recycled and virgin paper for household use as determined by an in vitro yeast estrogen screen and chemical analysis. Chemical Research in Toxicology 13, 1214-1222.
Fisher, J. S., Turner, K. J., Brown, D., and Sharpe, R. M. (1999). Effect of neonatal exposure to estrogenic compounds on development of the ducts of rat testis through puberty to adulthood. Environmental Health Perspectives 107, 397-405.
Kang, K.-S., Che, J.-H., Ryu, D.-Y., Kim, T.-W., Li, G.-X., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Decreased sperm number and motile activity on the F1 offspring maternally exposed to butyl p-hydroxybenzoic acid (butyl paraben). Journal of Veterinary Medical Science 64, 227-235.
Oishi, S. (2002a). Effects of butyl paraben on the male reproductive system in mice. Archives of Toxicology 76, 423-429.
Oishi, S. (2002b). Effects of propyl paraben on the male reproductive system. Food and Chemical Toxicology 40, 1807-1813.
Let me guess, you don't actually know. (Sort of like when you ASSumed that Brewers Yeast, since it was a vegetable source of protein, was therefore an incomplete source of protein and therefore dutifully reported such to another poster that it was an incomplete protein. Of course, completely false, as proven by actually reading the label and observing the amino acid profile).
There were no assumptions.
And by the way "Princess" the high fructose corn syrup in ketchup and the high fat content of mayo isn't all that good for you either, but I'm sure you knew that.
This is not about HFCS or fat. It’s about parabens in condiments and the fact that there is no reason to eliminate them from average persons lifestyle. There are far more important things to worry about. I think Mick said it best.
Please stop making assumptions about me. I have been around here long enough and demonstrated a fair amount of knowledge that is generally respected. I have never claimed to know everything and generally do not participate in topics for which I have no background.
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You have WOWed me once again. You're great. Let's have dinner.....maybe burgers and ketchup? ;)
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Really, what background do you have on testosterone levels, why are you inserting yourself on an issue which doesn't effect your biology (your profile by the way says you are a 130 year old female). Is your beard not growing as quickly as previously, are your T levels falling? The fact that you got so worked up on an issue which has no direct application to your situation speaks for itself.
And I SERIOUSLY doubt you've reviewed the literature I listed to verify your statement regarding the studies dealing with skin exposure. Further, I don't care one whit what others think your reputation for knowledge is. In my limited exposure to you, you misinformed someone about a supplement near and dear to my heart (twice) and inserted yourself into a debate that involves male not female physiology. Not really impressive from my boat. If guys want to heap praise upon you because most guys will kiss the butt of a woman they think may be attractive, that's their issue, not mine.
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Really, what background do you have on testosterone levels, why are you inserting yourself on an issue which doesn't effect your biology (your profile by the way says you are a 130 year old female).
This has nothing to do with male vs female physiology; it’s about the “Ketchup contains Methylparaben which is a paraben which stimulates an estrogenic response in the body” statement which has been misinterpreted. {Side note: Parabens have a large effect on females – read the studies and the relationship to breast cancer}.
What you have failed to recognize or acknowledge is the fact that "Since 2000, 13 research studies have shown that various types of parabens (methyl, ethyl, propyl, benzyol and benzyl) act like estrogen in animals and in tissue culture. However, the estrogenic activity occurs only when parabens are applied to the skin, not when ingested" http://www.breastcancerfund.org/site/pp.asp?c=kwKXLdPaE&b=1203361
(just one link to what is repeatedly echoed in the scientific community)
Is your beard not growing as quickly as previously, are your T levels falling? The fact that you got so worked up on an issue which has no direct application to your situation speaks for itself.
Someone got a little worked up.
And I SERIOUSLY doubt you've reviewed the literature I listed to verify your statement regarding the studies dealing with skin exposure.
There go those assumptions again.
Still waiting for some contradictory evidence.
Further, I don't care one whit what others think your reputation for knowledge is. In my limited exposure to you, you misinformed someone about a supplement near and dear to my heart (twice)
Take that issue to the thread(s) in question.
and inserted yourself into a debate that involves male not female physiology. Not really impressive from my boat.
Again, not a gender specific issue.
If guys want to heap praise upon you because most guys will kiss the butt of a woman they think may be attractive, that's their issue, not mine.
Please stay on topic and leave my butt out of it.
It’s easy to read an article in a magazine or on the net and trust the author has done their due diligence and presented all of the facts, but we all know that doesn’t always happen.
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You have WOWed me once again. You're great. Let's have dinner.....maybe burgers and ketchup? ;)
lol
I don't do ground meat (don't get me started), but a steak sounds great! And :o :o I put ketchup on my steak!
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Gee Princess, you don't do ground meat but a steak sounds great to you.Do you actually know how contradictory (in a way) that statement is?No, i'm not trying to attack/be a wise a$$ towards you here either just so you know.
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Gee Princess, you don't do ground meat but a steak sounds great to you.Do you actually know how contradictory (in a way) that statement is?No, i'm not trying to attack/be a wise a$$ towards you here either just so you know.
You cannot be serious ???
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Yeah I am, "but" it also depends on what you consider to be "ground" meat.Hamburger is a "ground" meat.It is ground from meat that you would call steak.See my point?
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Yeah I am, "but" it also depends on what you consider to be "ground" meat.Hamburger is a "ground" meat.It is ground from meat that you would call steak.See my point?
Beef, ground, 70% lean / 30% fat, crumbles, cooked, pan-browned
Serving 3oz
cal 230
fat 15g
sat fat 6g
trans fat 1g
chol 75mg
protein 22g
Beef, round, top round, separable lean and fat, trimmed to 0" fat, all grades, cooked,
Serving 3oz
cal 159
fat 6g
sat fat 3g
trans fat 0
chol 57mg
protein 27g
Beef, short loin, top loin, separable lean and fat, trimmed to 0" fat, all grades, cooked,
Serving 3oz
cal 164
fat 7g
sat fat 3g
trans fat
chol 49mg
protein 25g
Good difference between steak and ground beef. Also note that all servings were based on 3oz...hardly anyone only eats 3oz of ground beef when they eat it.
Nutritional breakdowns from: http://www.nutritiondata.com/index.html
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Gee Princess, you don't do ground meat but a steak sounds great to you.Do you actually know how contradictory (in a way) that statement is?No, i'm not trying to attack/be a wise a$$ towards you here either just so you know.
You cannot be serious ???
Well, there's a little more to it (my personal reasoning) Aj. My father was in the meat business for MANY years. With all the :o stories I heard, it's a wonder I'm not a vegetarian. :P Also, when meat is ground it has a million times more "surface" to quickly spread any bacteria (think e-coli) than a slab of that same meat. That's why they tell you to cook hamburger and other ground meats well done, but that same recommendation does not apply to a steak or pork chop. But I digress, it's just a "personal" thing...
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Ok, but my point Arnold is that beef is beef.Just depends on which part of the beast the meat was cut from.I used to work in a supermarket & asked the meat cutter that once & that was the way he described it to me.Maybe he was just a lazy butcher?