hot dogs

[texasRUSH]

i love them..and today it's all i had in the fridge to take to work to eat...


so now i have a package of hot dogs and buns...


could it be worse?  lol are hotdog's really THAT bad?

[MidniteRambo]

No problem unless you care about high sodium, monosodium glutamate and sodium nitrate.  Read this, you may never eat another hot dog:

"Hot Dogs: Do They Contain Safe Ingredients?" by Katie Gissy
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~ewen/hot_dogs.htm

[texasRUSH]

if you kill my hotlink vib i'm gonna be e-pissed

[benchthis]

hot dogs are gross stick to a fat double quarter pounder with cheese

[MidniteRambo]

Hey, make it even worse.  slap it in a white breat hot dog roll (simple carbs) add tons of ketchup (Ketchup contains Methylparaben which is a paraben which stimulates an estrogenic response in the body) and slug down a beer.

[Mick33]

  Rambo, I don't know if that ketchup thing is true. Maybe I just don't want to believe.

[WOOO]

  Goatboy loves weiners.

thems the breaks

[HERACLES]

i love them..and today it's all i had in the fridge to take to work to eat...


so now i have a package of hot dogs and buns...


could it be worse?  lol are hotdog's really THAT bad?

LOL..HOTDOGS are the WORST EVAAR! Very bad for you. But if your body can handle it Dooo EET! Once in a while, who cares, were all human, and life is short- haha. alittle cheat food here and there wont make you fat if your eating properly majority of the time.

[MidniteRambo]

  Rambo, I don't know if that ketchup thing is true. Maybe I just don't want to believe.

I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben.  Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass.  Mayonnaise is another big offender.

[Faust]

I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben.  Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass.  Mayonnaise is another big offender.

Wtf? I've been eating ketchup like crazy.
I thought it was good, cause it contained some anti-oxidant. Read it was good against cancer.
 

[Superman]

Hot dogs are a fun food to eat and enjoy, just dont make it part of your day.

[CQ]

Bullshit

Eloquent first post Maddy.

Hot dogs are disgusting.

[Princess L]

Hey, make it even worse.  slap it in a white breat hot dog roll (simple carbs) add tons of ketchup (Ketchup contains Methylparaben which is a paraben which stimulates an estrogenic response in the body)

I read about parabens in Muscle and Fitness some time back (I dont have the issue # handy, sorry)-- Look for the ingredients that end with "paraben". ex: methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, beneylparaben.  Studies suggest that these chemicals have an effect similar to estrogen in the body which can lead to higher fat and lower muscle mass.  Mayonnaise is another big offender.

That is true, however, you’re referring to this article which, like I’ve said before, is only providing part of the story.


Estrogen lurks
Muscle & Fitness,  Sept, 2005  by Dwayne Jackson
If you're concerned about maintaining a healthy physique, carefully read the Ingredients list of your favorite shampoo, soap and toothpaste. You should even check all your hygiene and prepared food products. What are you looking for? Parabens--a group of chemicals widely used as preservatives in cosmetic, self-hygiene and food products. While paraben is the common name for this class of chemical, it may appear on labels as methylparaben, propylparaben, ethylparaben, butylparaben and benzylparaben.
Parabens affect the body in a manner similar to estrogen, a female hormone; high concentrations in males can lead to higher bodyfat, lower muscle mass and gynecomastia. Research confirms that parabens bind to estrogen receptors and induce effects comparable to those of estrogen. In one British study, benzylparaben applied to the skin of immature female mice increased the size of their uteruses, a result similar to that caused by pure estrogen. Some studies have even found intact parabens in human breast tumors.
REFERENCES
Darbre, P.D., et al. Journal of Applied Toxicology 23(1):43-51, 2003.
Darbre, P.D., et al. Journal of Applied Toxicology 24(1):5-13, 2004.
RELATED ARTICLE: PARABEN PARADE
Here are some products that commonly contain paraben preservatives. Read labels carefully before purchasing any of these items.
SELF-HYGIENE/PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS  FOOD PRODUCTS

Soaps and toothpastes                 Marinated fish products
Shampoos and conditioners             Salad dressings
Hair-styling and skin-care products   Mayonnaise
Antiperspirants and deodorants        Mustard
Moisturizing lotions and creams       Spiced sauces
Eye, ear and nose drops               Processed vegetables
Rectal and vaginal medications        Frozen dairy products
Bandages                              Jams and jellies
Local anesthetics                     Soft drinks and fruit juices
Sunscreens                            Baked goods and candy
BY DWAYNE JACKSON, PHD
COPYRIGHT 2005 Weider Publications

You may recall this

Do you honestly believe the small amount of mayo someone might use will make that much difference?  If that's the case, then boys, you best avoid everything on this list.
 
Soaps and toothpastes                 
Shampoos and conditioners             
Hair-styling and skin-care products 
Antiperspirants and deodorants       
Moisturizing lotions and creams     
Eye, ear and nose drops                   
Bandages                             
Local anesthetics                     
Sunscreens
Baked goods and candy
Mustard
Spiced sauces
Processed vegetables 
Soft drinks and fruit juices
Frozen dairy products
Jams and jellies

to which you replied

The above is a grossly overbroad statement.  CERTAIN of those products do contain parabens.  In fact, I think it was Muscle and Fitness that in the last few months identified the specific chemicals to look for on labels and to remove those products from your shelves.  Chemical accumulation in the body is a cumulative process, and if not eating something something like mayo, or avoiding a certain poduct helps avoid the accumulation of those chemicals, it makes good sense to do so.  The poster wanted advice on what to mix with Tuna.  Mayo, even low fat mayo is simply bad advice when there are healthier alternatives.

No one is saying parabens are a good thing, but understand what you're saying and present it rationally.  Suggesting guys ban catsup, mayo and other condiments from their lives is absurd.

  “Recent evidence from over a dozen scientific studies has indicated that several types of parabens can bind to the estrogen receptor and cause estrogen-like responses when tested in laboratory animals or in a variety of tissue cultures. In studies using animals, the estrogenic effects were not found when fed, only when applied to or injected into the skin. There is no comprehensive research regarding the long-term effects of low-dose paraben use.

In these studies, the researchers looked at twenty (20) human breast tumours and found synthetic chemicals known as parabens in eighteen (18) of them. The level of parabens in four of the tumours so high that it could have had a damaging biological effect on cells. It is the first time parabens (para-hydroxybenzoic acids) have been detected within tumours, suggesting that the man-made chemicals accumulated in the breast tissue after being absorbed through the skin.



So, if you're that concerned about it, look at your hygiene products.

[MidniteRambo]

Chemical accumulation in the tissues is a cumulative process, and if you wish to diminish the estrogenic effects, as any MALE bodybuilder would be WELL advised to do, you will eliminate those products (yes, ketchup and mayo) that contribute to that effect.  As I said before NOT ALL hygenie products have paraben chemicals in them which is a grossly overbroad implication.  I've read articles advising bodybuilder how to recognize the advesre products and eliminate them form your cabinets.  I stand by my post. 

[Mick33]

  Awww geeez Princess you just made my week, ketchup rocks!! In moderation of course.

[MidniteRambo]

  Awww geeez Princess you just made my week, ketchup rocks!! In moderation of course.

There's a result-driven analysis if I've ever seen one!

[MidniteRambo]

No one is saying parabens are a good thing, but understand what you're saying and present it rationally.  Suggesting guys ban catsup, mayo and other condiments from their lives is absurd.[/color]

By the way, it's not absurd.  They are easy to avoid and there are plenty of alternatives.  To use your logic, to ban white flour or refined sugar from your diet is absurd because there are so many products available which contain it.   

[Princess L]

Chemical accumulation in the tissues is a cumulative process, and if you wish to diminish the estrogenic effects, as any MALE bodybuilder would be WELL advised to do, you will eliminate those products (yes, ketchup and mayo) that contribute to that effect.  As I said before NOT ALL hygenie products have paraben chemicals in them which is a grossly overbroad implication.  I've read articles advising bodybuilder how to recognize the advesre products and eliminate them form your cabinets.  I stand by my post. 

There are more important things to obsess about.  Read the studies.  The cumulative effect you're referring to is through transdermal administration.  If that's not the case, provide evidence to the contrary.

By the way, it's not absurd.  They are easy to avoid and there are plenty of alternatives.  To use your logic, to ban white flour or refined sugar from your diet is absurd because there are so many products available which contain it.   

Bad analogy.




Oh, and just what ingredient in a bottle of Heinz is a paraben?

[Migs]

sorry but I am going to enjoy my hotdog, ber and nachos at the Braves game

[Princess L]

sorry but I am going to enjoy my hotdog, ber and nachos at the Braves game

Sounds like you are already enjoying the ber.

[Sculpter]

Even if you paid me to I would not be able to eat these things.Damn nasty stuff!!Made w/what would be the waste meat products from the slaughterhouse.Only good thing about a hot dog is the bun its in!

[Princess L]

Even if you paid me to I would not be able to eat these things.Damn nasty stuff!!Made w/what would be the waste meat products from the slaughterhouse.Only good thing about a hot dog is the bun its in!

I think that used to be the case, but not so much anymore. Personally, I still wouldn't eat them anyway    too many "mystery ingredients" as with most processed meats.

[MidniteRambo]

There are more important things to obsess about.  Read the studies.  The cumulative effect you're referring to is through transdermal administration.  If that's not the case, provide evidence to the contrary.

Bad analogy.



Oh, and just what ingredient in a bottle of Heinz is a paraben?

OK, "Princess" why don't you represent that instead of a single muscle and fitness article you have read each and every one of these articles (studies demonstrating an estrogen-mimic effect of parabens) and feel qualified to now advise posters that ingestion of parabens is completely safe and not better avoided:

Blair, R. M., Fang, H., Branham, W. S., Hass, B. S., Dial, S. L., Moland, C. L., Tong, W., SHi, L., Perkins, R., and Sheehan, D. M. (2000). The estrogen receptor relative binding affinities of 188 natural and xenochemicals: structural diversity of ligands. Toxicological Sciences 54, 138-153.

Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Drew, M. G., Pope, G. S., Sauer, M. J., and Darbre, P. D. (2002). Oestrognic activity of parabens in MCF7 human breast cancer cells. Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology 80, 49-60.

Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Hall, S., Coldham, N. G., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. J. (2003). Oestrogenic activity of benzylparaben. Journal of Applied Toxicology 23, 43-51.

Darbre, P. D., Byford, J. R., Shaw, L. E., Horton, R. A., Pope, G. S., and Sauer, M. (2002). Oestrogenic activity of isobutylparaben In vitro and In vivo. Journal of Applied Toxicology 22, 219-226.

Inui, M., Tetsuya, A., Takenaka, S., Inui, H., Nakazawa, M., Ueda, M., Watanabe, H., Mori, C., Iguchi, T., and Miyatake, K. (2003). Effects o f UV screens and preservatives on vitellogenin and choriogenin production in male medaka (Oryzias latipes). Toxicology 194, 43-50.

Kang, K.-S., Cho, S.-D., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Additive estrogenic activities of the binary mixtures of four estrogenic chemicals in recombinant yeast expressing estrogen receptor. Journal of Veterinary Science 3, 1-5.

Lemini, C., Silva, G., Timossi, C., Luque, D., Valverde, A., and Gonzales-Martinez, M. (1997). Estrogenic effects of p-hydroxybenzoic acid in CD1 mice. 130-134.

Okubo, T., Yokoyama, Y., Kano, K., and Kano, I. (2001). ER-dependent estrogenic activity of parabens assessed by proliferation of human breast cancer

Pedersen, K. L., Pedersen, S. N., Christiansen, L. B., Korgaard, B., and Bjerregaard, P. (2000). The preservatives ethyl-, propyl- and butylparaben are oestrogenic in an in vivo fish assay. Pharmacology & Toxicology 86, 110-113.

Routledge, E. J., Parker, J., Odum, J., Ashby, J., and Sumpter, J. P. (1998). Some alkyl hydroxy benzoate preservatives (parabens) are estrogenic. Toxicology and Applied Pharmacology 153, 12-19.

Vinggaard, A. M., Kroner, W., Lund, K. H., Bolz, U., and Peterson, J. H. (2000). Identification and quatification of estrogenic compounds in recycled and virgin paper for household use as determined by an in vitro yeast estrogen screen and chemical analysis. Chemical Research in Toxicology 13, 1214-1222.

Fisher, J. S., Turner, K. J., Brown, D., and Sharpe, R. M. (1999). Effect of neonatal exposure to estrogenic compounds on development of the ducts of rat testis through puberty to adulthood. Environmental Health Perspectives 107, 397-405.

Kang, K.-S., Che, J.-H., Ryu, D.-Y., Kim, T.-W., Li, G.-X., and Lee, Y.-S. (2002). Decreased sperm number and motile activity on the F1 offspring maternally exposed to butyl p-hydroxybenzoic acid (butyl paraben). Journal of Veterinary Medical Science 64, 227-235.

Oishi, S. (2002a). Effects of butyl paraben on the male reproductive system in mice. Archives of Toxicology 76, 423-429.

Oishi, S. (2002b). Effects of propyl paraben on the male reproductive system. Food and Chemical Toxicology 40, 1807-1813.

Let me guess, you don't actually know.  (Sort of like when you ASSumed that Brewers Yeast, since it was a vegetable source of protein, was therefore an incomplete source of protein and therefore dutifully reported such to another poster that it was an incomplete protein.  Of course, completely false, as proven by actually reading the label and observing the amino acid profile).

And by the way "Princess" the high fructose corn syrup in ketchup and the high fat content of mayo isn't all that good for you either, but I'm sure you knew that.

[Mick33]

  It seems awfully picky to talk about a little fructose! If that is all you consume, then that is bad. If you are worried about a little ketchup your meals must be pretty boring. If you are getting into contest condition, one thing, but just training and even staying lean, man give yourself a break 2 teaspoons of ketchup aint gonna kill your metabolism or even add  a pound onto you. Then again I live in Chicago and the beef here kicks ass so it is nice to dip it in a little sauce every now and then. Stockyards!!!!

[Migs]

Sounds like you are already enjoying the ber.

shhh, it was a long day.