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Whos got who beat???
Phil Heath:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006nypro_finalspics130.jpg)
Shawn Ray:
(http://mujweb.cz/sport/galerie/ray.jpg)
Phil Heath:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006nypro_finalspics129.jpg)
Shawn Ray:
(http://mujweb.cz/sport/galerie/ray1.jpg)
Phil Heath:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006nypro_finalspics123.jpg)
Shawn Ray:
(http://mujweb.cz/sport/galerie/ray3.jpg)
Phil Heath:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006nypro_finalspics131.jpg)
Shawn Ray:
(http://mujweb.cz/sport/galerie/ray6.jpg)
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Shawn beats him pretty bad but Heath is still awesome!
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Let's give Phil more time and then we will see.
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Phil Heath:
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2006/2006nypro_finalspics132.jpg)
Shawn Ray:
(http://www.mostmuscular.com/newmuscle.cx/shawn_ray/pages/shawn_ray_04.jpg)
Phil Heath:
(http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/news_900.jpg)
Shawn Ray: (only front dbl bi i found)
(http://www.zegatao.muscle.nom.br/varios/shawn%20ray%20(200),%20frank%20zane%20(1976).jpg)
what do you guys think??
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shawn owns him imo, but phils been bbing for 4 years.
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shawn has a prettier face.
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Shawn OWNS Phil in EVERY aspect! DAMN!
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shawn has a prettier face.
err..ok.
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At his best, Shawn was the best.
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Shawn is still a step above Phil but give him a few years and who knows. For now Shawn is clearly superior.
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they have very similar builds, but shawn just seems way better.
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Shawn. But what's up with the comparison pics, not exactly the best examples of each.
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Shawn. But what's up with the comparison pics, not exactly the best examples of each.
most are from phils ny show, which were his best pics ever, and the rest were from google.. all i can find.
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Mr. Ray all the way... ;D
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Does Shawn have some white in him? His eyes, nose, and lips, don't at all look anything African.
He's half African/American and Puerto Rican if I recall correctly .
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Shawn !
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1/4 Puerto Rican (Mom's Half Black, her father was Puerto Rican). ;D
Phil has a very good start to what will hopefully be a very long career!
Peace,
S
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1/4 Puerto Rican (Mom's Half Black, her father was Puerto Rican). ;D
Phil has a very good start to what will hopefully be a very long career!
Peace,
S
Damn right.. Phil has already won more pro shows than Shawn..
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1/4 Puerto Rican (Mom's Half Black, her father was Puerto Rican). ;D
Phil has a very good start to what will hopefully be a very long career!
Peace,
S
was the man.....heath's good ,but shawn had longevity which is impossible these day's,other than coleman's run.
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Dooooooooooooooooo! :o
Phil is good but dont get it twisted..........
There was no Yates, Haney, Wheeler, Levrone or Labrada to deal with in those last two shows.
In time, I do believe Phil will be the One to Beat!
Like all Sports, we have different era's.
Mine was over 5 years ago and his just began, let's not take anything away from what he has accomplished but let's also not make his first year comprarable to a 14 yr Hall of Fame Career.
Peace,
S
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Dooooooooooooooooo! :o
Phil is good but dont get it twisted..........
There was no Yates, Haney, Wheeler, Levrone or Labrada to deal with in those last two shows.
In time, I do believe Phil will be the One to Beat!
Like all Sports, we have different era's.
Mine was over 5 years ago and his just began, let's not take anything away from what he has accomplished but let's also not make his first year comprarable to a 14 yr Hall of Fame Career.
Peace,
S
hahaha just because you placed 19th your first pro year doesn't mean Phil has to too.
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Dooooooooooooooooo! :o
Phil is good but dont get it twisted..........
There was no Yates, Haney, Wheeler, Levrone or Labrada to deal with in those last two shows.
In time, I do believe Phil will be the One to Beat!
Like all Sports, we have different era's.
Mine was over 5 years ago and his just began, let's not take anything away from what he has accomplished but let's also not make his first year comprarable to a 14 yr Hall of Fame Career.
Peace,
S
exactly,he won't be a flash in the pan,but culter and coleman are a waiting.u had a lot of things most bber's didn't have too last soooo long.other than bbing gene's,gene's not to get injured.no carjacking's,ninja's,pec tear's.ect
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There's not much of a comparison when it comes to Ray.
Shawn was great for 14+ years. In my opinion, Heath will blow out his physique and ruin what he's got. Just saw the new cover of FLEX and you can already see Phil's face bulging out from the supps. It will only get worse.
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There's not much of a comparison when it comes to Ray.
Shawn was great for 14+ years. In my opinion, Heath will blow out his physique and ruin what he's got. Just saw the new cover of FLEX and you can already see Phil's face bulging out from the supps. It will only get worse.
i agree. who knows what he did to reach such an advanced state of development after only 4 years of training. i think he'll eventually burn out.
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Dooooooooooooooooo! :o
Phil is good but dont get it twisted..........
There was no Yates, Haney, Wheeler, Levrone or Labrada to deal with in those last two shows.
In time, I do believe Phil will be the One to Beat!
Like all Sports, we have different era's.
Mine was over 5 years ago and his just began, let's not take anything away from what he has accomplished but let's also not make his first year comprarable to a 14 yr Hall of Fame Career.
Peace,
S
agreed, you were really one of the best and had the most pleasing physique in the history of the ifbb. but phil will be there in a few years.
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agree wid shawn, give phil some more years and we'll see! other than that, SR is BB'ing legend and then the only thing phil has on shawn is that phil can still dunk a basketball! LOL!
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Shawns structure is way better than Phil.
Phil wont do well unless gain his bulk,but Shawn do well his light heavy weight body.
I still think...If he had gained weight about the size like Melvin,he could have won Olympia easily against Dorian many times.I dont think that Ray get palumboism...never.
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Does Shawn have some white in him? His eyes, nose, and lips, don't at all look anything African.
Dunno and don't care.
Gold Ray was amazing when it comes to bodybuilding. Top 5 all time IMO.
Fashion? Short bus division!!!
YIP
Zack
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Shawn in his prime vs. Phil right now Phil would probably lose...but give Phil about 5yrs and then try and compare.
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Phil has Shawn on height.
Matt C, now why you want to make that your signature? Dude, I was eating my cereal for god sakes.
you have killed my apetite for the next couple of hours
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In an amateur matchup for a procard....Shawn would have taken Phil. More compact and more dense muscle on Shawn in 1987 vs Phil 2004 or 2005? This would be a good question for John Brown.
How will he do against bigger guns at the Arnold like Dex, Chris, or Cutler, and d##n sure will take 1 in the lost column at the O.
Anyway...where is his webmaster, LiftTicket? We are all talking "ifs" including Shawn...so none of us have a clue. He knows bbing like GH15 knows a ugly wife.
In the end he should have an excellent career...but let us get off the unbeatable bbing thing.
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Dunno and don't care.
Gold Ray was amazing when it comes to bodybuilding. Top 5 all time IMO.
Fashion? Short bus division!!!
YIP
Zack
All that cock is gon eto your head Zack. Shawn is great, bit top 5 of all time ???
The Beef
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All that cock is gon eto your head Zack. Shawn is great, bit top 5 of all time ???
The Beef
I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy? ;D
Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:
1. Sergio (70's)
.Epic
.Distance
.Between
.The
.Myth
.And
.The
.Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)
YIP
Zack
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I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy? ;D
Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:
1. Sergio (70's)
.Epic
.Distance
.Between
.The
.Myth
.And
.The
.Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)
YIP
Zack
Amazing a mod can call a good line up for once.
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Put Phil in the Eras when Shawn was competing, Shawn would destroy him. C'mon guys let's not get ahead of ourselves, Phil has so much to improve, He's the future, no doubt, but let's wait and see what he got for us. I believe when shawn was Phil's age, people used to say the same thing about Shawn. The question now is, who's gonna stand againts Phil when he start to DOMINATE.
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Phil is good but Gold Ray is lightyears ahead. And he is without a doubt one of the top 5 of all time...
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Heath's structure is NOWHERE near as good as Shawn's.
Narrow clavicles, small chest, etc.
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Hi Shawn,
Ever in the very back of your mind think of pulling a "Vince Taylor" (even though you are nowhere near 50 ;)? I hope when Ronnie retires that bb comes back to that more classic look thet you, Kevin, and Flex brought. Phil is great for bb but all 3 of you brought the same thing back in the day and never got the Olympia nod. Mass is not bad per se but bb can't possibly get any "bigger" without getting total lost of aestetics and symmetry.
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He's half African/American and Puerto Rican if I recall correctly .
if somebody is biracial why do they always say that they are black?
why not just say you are biracial?
anyways shawn kills heath it isn't even a fair comparison
E
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Bi Racial could be Wht/Asian- German/Japanese- Hispanic/Persian...........Starting to see the picture?
It is only for identification purposes to paint a graphic for those who may not be in the know.
Your welcome.
S. Ray
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Shawn had a better overall physique, not to take anything away from Phil he looks great, I just think Shawn had a little better genetics.
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Shawn is structurally wider, for that reason he will always be better than Heath...
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Bi Racial could be Wht/Asian- German/Japanese- Hispanic/Persian...........Starting to see the picture?
It is only for identification purposes to paint a graphic for those who may not be in the know.
Your welcome.
S. Ray
yes I know but every time somebody is half black they say they are black rather than biracial or what the other half is
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I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy? ;D
Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:
1. Sergio (70's)
.Epic
.Distance
.Between
.The
.Myth
.And
.The
.Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)
YIP
Zack
what the fuck, why are you hijacking the thread this has nothing to do with it.
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yes I know but every time somebody is half black they say they are black rather than biracial
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Think about it in terms of a conveyor belt....you one have five selections...Black,White, Hispanic,Asian,Arabic/Indian(or whatever)
I myself am a biracial child...but cause the white is a recessive gene, no one can tell right away..so when you see a person coming at you , the mindframe is like that of a conveyor belt in that most will select the trait that looks the most like what they are.
I know of this one kid who is Blondie hair blue eyes, fair skin..his dad was as black as flex wheeler but his mom was a white girl..that is the only case ..you couldn't tell if he had any black in him
Of course biracial blacks identify as being black...unless you are white white, anything less makes you not white.
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what the f**k, why are you hijacking the thread this has nothing to do with it.
Ray is in sport number 3... which I think Hedgehog is way to nice to give him that one.
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Ray is in sport number 3... which I think Hedgehog is way to nice to give him that one.
thread comparison about phil and shwan, not sergio, and hedge's list.
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thread comparison about phil and shwan, not sergio, and hedge's list.
Yeah but hedge is slow so give him time..
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I know of this one kid who is Blondie hair blue eyes, fair skin..his dad was as black as flex wheeler but his mom was a white girl..that is the only case ..you couldn't tell if he had any black in him
Impossible.
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Phil is good actually great but he ain't no matawn muscle machine
BOOM BOOM BOOM
:D
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Yeah but hedge is slow so give him time..
lol.
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1 Drop of black blood and your BLACK. :-*
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1 Drop of black blood and your BLACK. :-*
That saying actually came from the KKK.
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That saying actually came from the KKK.
LOL
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Actually, it is True. ;D
Therefore, some of the knuckleheads in the Clan had half a brain. ::)
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I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy? ;D
Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:
1. Sergio (70's)
.Epic
.Distance
.Between
.The
.Myth
.And
.The
.Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)
YIP
Zack
you forgot to put dorian at #1 and coleman at #2.
get samir out of there.
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hoghedge or whatever that was one of the worst lists ever.
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I actually appreciate this comparison, although it is not needed because Shawn was an incredible bodybuilder who stood next to 3 Mr. Olympia's in his career. I still to this day look at Shawn and freak out that we are friends as he is one of my favorite bodybuilders of all time. He represented what bodybuilding should look like and that is what I am intending to bring to the stage next year. I understand that I will have my work cut out for me next year as I should because every athlete is hungry and that is what is going to make our sport better. Lastly, I'd like to say that I appreciate the comments made as they have been very respectful for the most part and not dumb posts that some peeps like to throw in to just jack a thread up.
Peace!
P.S. Shawn - good luck at the golf tourney bro! ;D
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I actually appreciate this comparison, although it is not needed because Shawn was an incredible bodybuilder who stood next to 3 Mr. Olympia's in his career. I still to this day look at Shawn and freak out that we are friends as he is one of my favorite bodybuilders of all time. He represented what bodybuilding should look like and that is what I am intending to bring to the stage next year. I understand that I will have my work cut out for me next year as I should because every athlete is hungry and that is what is going to make our sport better. Lastly, I'd like to say that I appreciate the comments made as they have been very respectful for the most part and not dumb posts that some peeps like to throw in to just jack a thread up.
Peace!
P.S. Shawn - good luck at the golf tourney bro! ;D
170 lbs clean :)
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170 lbs clean :)
that sucks for you lol. :o
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that sucks for you lol. :o
you don't golf, phil?
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that sucks for you lol. :o
hahaha ;D
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Phil Heath has incredible conditioning for someone so new, and he has some freaky bodyparts. But as far as overall 'pleasing-to-the-eye' nature, Shawn ray just has 'it'. He just flows like bodybuilders don't flow anymore, especialy earlier in his career.
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that sucks for you lol. :o
ahahah that shut true adonis up
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I actually appreciate this comparison, although it is not needed because Shawn was an incredible bodybuilder who stood next to 3 Mr. Olympia's in his career. I still to this day look at Shawn and freak out that we are friends as he is one of my favorite bodybuilders of all time. He represented what bodybuilding should look like and that is what I am intending to bring to the stage next year. I understand that I will have my work cut out for me next year as I should because every athlete is hungry and that is what is going to make our sport better. Lastly, I'd like to say that I appreciate the comments made as they have been very respectful for the most part and not dumb posts that some peeps like to throw in to just jack a thread up.
Peace!
P.S. Shawn - good luck at the golf tourney bro! ;D
even if there were some dumbass comments, just ignore them. It's good to have you post...
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that sucks for you lol. :o
LMAO! ;D
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Adonis is going at it all wrong, even though i am an anti-Steroid person
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what the f**k, why are you hijacking the thread this has nothing to do with it.
Great post COCK.
YIP
Zack
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It's unrealistic right now for Phil Heath to be as polished as Shawn Ray was in his prime. Give Phil about five more years and we will probably see one of the most polished aesthetic physiques of all time. The guy won the first two pro shows he entered, last guy I remember doing that was Flex Wheeler.
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I still to this day look at Shawn and freak out
I feel you.
Is it the shirts mang? :'(
YIP
Zack
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It's unrealistic right now for Phil Heath to be as polished as Shawn Ray was in his prime. Give Phil about five more years and we will probably see one of the most polished aesthetic physiques of all time. The guy won the first two pro shows he entered, last guy I remember doing that was Flex Wheeler.
Phil is awesome and IMO should be the next Mr. O. But again, he is no Gold Ray. Even in his Nationals form, years before he was able to further "polish", Gold was still better than Phil is now. It's genetics...
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Bi Racial could be Wht/Asian- German/Japanese- Hispanic/Persian...........Starting to see the picture?
It is only for identification purposes to paint a graphic for those who may not be in the know.
Your welcome.
S. Ray
Dont get into the biracial thing with some of the jimmys. Kevin dont have any blk in him and Mariah Carey cant possibly have a blk father.
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shawn obviously has a better structure but phil heath more than holds his own against a guy who many consider the greatest of all times.
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Phil is awesome and IMO should be the next Mr. O. But again, he is no Gold Ray. Even in his Nationals form, years before he was able to further "polish", Gold was still better than Phil is now. It's genetics...
You are saying that Ray has better genetics than Heath?