Shawn Ray vs Phil Heath..

[latrell]

Dooooooooooooooooo!
Phil is good but dont get it twisted..........
There was no Yates, Haney, Wheeler, Levrone or Labrada to deal with in those last two shows.
In time, I do believe Phil will be the One to Beat!
Like all Sports, we have different era's.
Mine was over 5 years ago and his just began, let's not take anything away from what he has accomplished but let's also not make his first year comprarable to a 14 yr Hall of Fame Career.
Peace,
S

agreed, you were really one of the best and had the most pleasing physique in the history of the ifbb. but phil will be there in a few years.

[airrick]

agree wid shawn, give phil some more years and we'll see! other than that, SR is BB'ing legend and then the only thing phil has on shawn is that phil can still dunk a basketball! LOL!

[kyomu]

Shawns structure is way better than Phil.
Phil wont do well unless gain his bulk,but Shawn do well his light heavy weight body.
I still think...If he had gained weight about the size like Melvin,he could have won Olympia easily against Dorian many times.I dont think that Ray get palumboism...never.

[Hedgehog]

Does Shawn have some white in him?  His eyes, nose, and lips, don't at all look anything African.

Dunno and don't care.

Gold Ray was amazing when it comes to bodybuilding. Top 5 all time IMO.

Fashion? Short bus division!!!

YIP
Zack

[NPCOK]

Shawn in his prime vs. Phil right now Phil would probably lose...but give Phil about 5yrs and then try and compare.

[SteelePegasus]

Phil has Shawn on height.

Matt C, now why you want to make that your signature? Dude, I was eating my cereal for god sakes.
 you have killed my apetite for the next couple of hours

[divcom]

In an amateur matchup for a procard....Shawn would have taken Phil.  More compact and more dense muscle on Shawn in 1987 vs Phil 2004 or 2005?  This would be a good question for John Brown.

How will he do against bigger guns at the Arnold like Dex, Chris, or Cutler, and d##n sure will take 1 in the lost column at the O.

Anyway...where is his webmaster, LiftTicket?  We are all talking "ifs" including Shawn...so none of us have a clue. He knows bbing like GH15 knows a ugly wife.

In the end he should have an excellent career...but let us get off the unbeatable bbing thing.

[Hurricane Beef !]

Dunno and don't care.

Gold Ray was amazing when it comes to bodybuilding. Top 5 all time IMO.

Fashion? Short bus division!!!

YIP
Zack

All that cock is gon eto your head Zack. Shawn is great, bit top 5 of all time

The Beef

[Hedgehog]

All that cock is gon eto your head Zack. Shawn is great, bit top 5 of all time

The Beef

I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy?

Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:

1. Sergio (70's)
 .Epic
 .Distance
 .Between
 .The
 .Myth
 .And
 .The
 .Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)

YIP
Zack

[alexxx]

I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy?

Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:

1. Sergio (70's)
 .Epic
 .Distance
 .Between
 .The
 .Myth
 .And
 .The
 .Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)

YIP
Zack

Amazing a mod can call a good line up for once.

[HUGEPECS]

Put Phil in the Eras when Shawn was competing, Shawn would destroy him. C'mon guys let's not get ahead of ourselves, Phil has so much to improve, He's the future, no doubt, but let's wait and see what he got for us. I believe when shawn was Phil's age, people used to say the same thing about Shawn. The question now is, who's gonna stand againts Phil when he start to DOMINATE.

[MindSpin]

Phil is good but Gold Ray is lightyears ahead.  And he is without a doubt one of the top 5 of all time...

[bb doc]

Heath's structure is NOWHERE near as good as Shawn's.

Narrow clavicles, small chest, etc.

[swilkins1984]

Hi Shawn,

Ever in the very back of your mind think of pulling a "Vince Taylor" (even though you are nowhere near 50 ? I hope when Ronnie retires that bb comes back to that more classic look thet you, Kevin, and Flex brought. Phil is great for bb but all 3 of you brought the same thing back in the day and never got the Olympia nod. Mass is not bad per se but bb can't possibly get any "bigger" without getting total lost of aestetics and symmetry.

[Earl1972]

He's half African/American and Puerto Rican if I recall correctly .

if somebody is biracial why do they always say that they are black?

why not just say you are biracial?

anyways shawn kills heath it isn't even a fair comparison

E

[Shawn Ray]

Bi Racial could be  Wht/Asian- German/Japanese- Hispanic/Persian...........Starting to see the picture?
It is only for identification purposes to paint a graphic for those who may not be in the know.
Your welcome.
S. Ray

[IronMagazine.com]

Shawn had a better overall physique, not to take anything away from Phil he looks great, I just think Shawn had a little better genetics.

[jaejonna]

Shawn is structurally wider, for that reason he will always be better than Heath...

[Earl1972]

Bi Racial could be  Wht/Asian- German/Japanese- Hispanic/Persian...........Starting to see the picture?
It is only for identification purposes to paint a graphic for those who may not be in the know.
Your welcome.
S. Ray

yes I know but every time somebody is half black they say they are black rather than biracial or what the other half is

E

[latrell]

I shouldn't have a cock? What should I have instead bro? A pussy?

Best physiques as far as I'm concerned:

1. Sergio (70's)
 .Epic
 .Distance
 .Between
 .The
 .Myth
 .And
 .The
 .Rest
2. Kevin Levrone (mid 90's, late 90's)
3. Gold Ray (mid-90's, check Final Countdown, he obviously fcuked up before the contest 98)
4. Samir Bannout(1983)
5. Ken Wheeler (1993)

YIP
Zack

what the fuck, why are you hijacking the thread this has nothing to do with it.

[jaejonna]

yes I know but every time somebody is half black they say they are black rather than biracial

E

Think about it in terms of a conveyor belt....you one have five selections...Black,White, Hispanic,Asian,Arabic/Indian(or whatever)

I myself am a biracial child...but cause the white is a recessive gene, no one can tell right away..so when you see a person coming at you , the mindframe is like that of a conveyor belt in that most will select the trait that looks the most like what they are.

I know of this one kid who is Blondie hair blue eyes, fair skin..his dad was as black as flex wheeler but his mom was a white girl..that is the only case ..you couldn't tell if he had any black in him

Of course biracial blacks identify as being black...unless you are white white, anything less makes you not white.

[alexxx]

what the f**k, why are you hijacking the thread this has nothing to do with it.

Ray is in sport number 3... which I think Hedgehog is way to nice to give him that one.

[latrell]

Ray is in sport number 3... which I think Hedgehog is way to nice to give him that one.

thread comparison about phil and shwan, not sergio, and hedge's list.

[alexxx]

thread comparison about phil and shwan, not sergio, and hedge's list.

Yeah but hedge is slow so give him time..

[brianX]

I know of this one kid who is Blondie hair blue eyes, fair skin..his dad was as black as flex wheeler but his mom was a white girl..that is the only case ..you couldn't tell if he had any black in him

Impossible.