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This is great news for everyone who is competing in the 2006 Mr. Olympia -
The total prize money for the Mr. Olympia contest has increased from $480,000 to $546,000 this year. The money from the Challenge Round — which will not be included this year — and last year’s Wildcard Showdown, $60,000 in total, will be distributed among all the athletes.
First place: $155,000.
Second: $90,000.
Third: 60,000.
Fourth: $48,000.
Fifth: $38,000.
Sixth: $30,000.
Seventh: $18,000.
Eighth: $17,000.
Ninth: $16,000.
Tenth: $14,000.
Eleventh and lower: $4,000 each.
(The combined total prize money for the Mr., Ms., Figure and Fitness Olympia competitions is $725,000.)
So just for coming to the Mr. Olympia, you get plane, room, food and $4,000!!!! All you athletes best be in shape if you are gonna go on that stage!!!
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It's about time, good to hear that at least some things in bodybuilding are moving in the right direction.
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Nice $90,000 payday for Jay. :)
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Props to Robin Chang and crew for once again raising the prize money...were close to meeting my goal of a $5,000 minimun for all athletes competing....a far cry from the amount the old regime had for everyone out of the top 10....ZERO.
Thank you Robin and the IFBB for being receptive to the wishes of the athletes.
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Actually, I am impressed that Robin and the crew have listened to everyone's feedback for the Olympia Weekend, and are truly trying to make it the best!!!! Much appreciated! And the prize money is great!!! For all athletes, who now cannot complain one bit!
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So just for coming to the Mr. Olympia, you get plane, room, food and $4,000!!!!
That's not bad for a year of work!
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Good to hear that they increased the $.
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$4,000's not bad for a year of work!
That would cover Jay's sushi bill for a week or so.
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What's the status on the Expo: Its location and supporting events?
YIP
Zack
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Props to Robin Chang and crew for once again raising the prize money...were close to meeting my goal of a $5,000 minimun for all athletes competing....a far cry from the amount the old regime had for everyone out of the top 10....ZERO.
Thank you Robin and the IFBB for being receptive to the wishes of the athletes.
That is a good goal. All athletes deserve something. Making it to the Olympia is no easy task and to leave empty handed is just insane.
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Is the "Crazy Legs" award still around?
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Amazing what can be done when the people in charge are actually LISTENING...
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Sounds like creeping socialism to me, Bob. >:(
If I had $546,000 to spread around, I'd spread it like this...
1 150,000
2 100,000
3 80,000
4 60,000
5 50,000
6 40,000
7 30,000
8 20,000
9 10,000
10 6,000
If you can't make the top 10, you'd have done us all a favor by staying home. On your way out the door, the stagehand can give you a protein powder sample left over from the Arnold and mimeographed directions on how to get to the bus station.
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If you can't make the top 10, you'd have done us all a favor by staying home.
No way, man - those guys are part of the entertainment for the evening and deserve to be paid for their time.
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No way, man - those guys are part of the entertainment for the evening and deserve to be paid for their time.
I agree. Some guys know they won't make the top ten not because they are bab bb but just because the competition is so strong. What incentive would they have to put on a good show or even come in condition? Waste of contest prep money and lifetime that could be allocated elsewhere outside the gym.
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This makes my journey towards my destiny all worth it.
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Amazing what can be done when the people in charge are actually LISTENING...
Damn, you really hate Wayne, don't you? Your rage goes back to 2002.
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No - I like the way the prize money is spread. If you are qualified for the best bodybuilding show in the world, $4,000 is nice, plus room, food, air - that is the best prize money distribution by far in its history. Even a competitor placing 25th gets money. Now, #26 should get nothing though...
Don't want to hear no complaining about that one...
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Damn, you really hate Wayne, don't you? Your rage goes back to 2002.
Wayne was in favor of giving the guys out of the top ten $0, 240...he believed that
"if they were given $1000, that there would be no incentive for them to show up in shape..."
and you wonder why there are athletes that don't exactly share your sentiments towards Wayne?
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Damn, you really hate Wayne, don't you? Your rage goes back to 2002.
Why would DeMilia be any different today, a few years later?
YIP
Zack
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Why would DeMilia be any different today, a few years later?
YIP
Zack
I don't know anything about what he did back then. All I know is that the guy is trying to create a rival BBing federation. This will cause the IFBB to treat their guys better and put on a better show in order to keep/win fans.
IMO, it sounds like Bob resented Wayne for some time, but couldn't speak because he was his subordinate. Now, bob is giddy whenever given a chance to insult him or make him look bad.
The guy is trying to create something which will put more dollars in athletes' pockets - why the hate?
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Wayne has been known to have done some pretty lowdown stuff as I have heard. Trying to control athletes with threats of susension, loss of contract. If I were a bb I would steer clear of anything Wayne is running. His reputation proceeds him.
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I don't know anything about what he did back then. All I know is that the guy is trying to create a rival BBing federation. This will cause the IFBB to treat their guys better and put on a better show in order to keep/win fans.
IMO, it sounds like Bob resented Wayne for some time, but couldn't speak because he was his subordinate. Now, bob is giddy whenever given a chance to insult him or make him look bad.
The guy is trying to create something which will put more dollars in athletes' pockets - why the hate?
I'VE created opportunities that has put more dollars in athletes pockets...why the hate?
I could speak...and did. That little quote from Wayne was from the 2002 press conference...that was his response to a question asked from Milos about why the athletes weren't getting paid. My response followed in kind, even though I was competing in the show...I've never been afraid to speak up, thats why I'm in the position i'm in.
I didn't make Wayne look bad...he did.
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Wayne has been known to have done some pretty lowdown stuff as I have heard. Trying to control athletes with threats of susension, loss of contract. If I were a bb I would steer clear of anything Wayne is running. His reputation proceeds him.
Do you know when he did that? When I was trying to form an athletes union...
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I am not a Wayne fan and I do not dislike him(don't know enough facts to go either way) but I am in favor of some form of competition for the IFBB, not cuz I hate them either I just want to see improvement anyway possible. The added prize money is great. I always thought that it was fucked up that the guy or gal that took your ticket at the front door got payed but the athletes that are one inch from death got a steaming hot pile of poo if they were not in the top ten. Things that make you go WTF!
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Finaly a move that makes sense . Props to all that made it happen. Dan
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I would think this would be the kind of guy that Lee would DEFINITELY NOT want to be associated with again. Lee being the type who wants power for the athlete is the opposite of Wayne in agenda.
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I don't know anything about what he did back then. All I know is that the guy is trying to create a rival BBing federation. This will cause the IFBB to treat their guys better and put on a better show in order to keep/win fans.
IMO, it sounds like Bob resented Wayne for some time, but couldn't speak because he was his subordinate. Now, bob is giddy whenever given a chance to insult him or make him look bad.
The guy is trying to create something which will put more dollars in athletes' pockets - why the hate?
Wrong, everyone in the industry knows what Wayne's all about. He's very convincing as he almost convinced me to invest 10,000 dollars of my money into fitness expo. However you gotta read the fine print and between the lines with him.
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Now, #26 should get nothing though...
That's what I was just thinking about. That Wayne stuff about guys out of the top 10 not showing up in shape, I don't agree with that, but the very last guy is likely to be someone who may show zero effort to come in shape.
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Props to Robin Chang and crew for once again raising the prize money...were close to meeting my goal of a $5,000 minimun for all athletes competing....a far cry from the amount the old regime had for everyone out of the top 10....ZERO.
Thank you Robin and the IFBB for being receptive to the wishes of the athletes.
Robin getting the prize money raised is a good thing for the athletes. But, if you're going to criticize the old regime, you have to look at it from the fans' perspective as well. The last couple Olympias have been low budget and poorly organized; a general downgrade from the previous several years. It's great to raise the prize money, but that's only one piece of the puzzle.
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Robin is the best
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Amazing what can be done when the people in charge are actually LISTENING...
Chic, Weren't the Weiders ultimately in charge. It's funny that's it taken 40+ years to get halfway decent prize money. Yet it is still an embarrasment considering it is the #1 show in bodybuilding. And the ASC would actually have the most prize money if they were allowed to give away more. And why the more prize money yet a shittier venue and show. Wayne put on a class show at a class location which cost more money. Wayne wanted a good show for the fans (the people who pay the money). Now they give more money because they have degraded the show so much and have allot more money left from the savings. That is a fact not even you can dispute. Wayne put on a show, and now it is a joke. So the comeptitors make out better yet the fan gets fucked and the people who are buying the tickets. Good job. Like I said you are supporting the wrong group of people.
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Wrong, everyone in the industry knows what Wayne's all about. He's very convincing as he almost convinced me to invest 10,000 dollars of my money into fitness expo. However you gotta read the fine print and between the lines with him.
God Vince give it up already. Why do you persit on making it sound like you know something or you are somebody. You don't the money to invets and you don't even have the slightest hint of what Wane has done or knows. Give it up already. Just when it looks like you can't make yourself look any more stupid you pull it off and look more stupid.
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Good point, Only me, because we forget that the IFBB stops anyone from giving more prize money than is offered at the Olympia. That limitation clearly is not in the interest of the competitors but it reveals how the IFBB controls everyone and actually restricts the earning capacity of bodybuilders associated with them. What more evidence do we need? The more I learn the more it reinforces my opinion that bodybuilders as a group are saps. Nothing has changed over the years. Most are so desperate to win or place in an contest they will do whatever is necessary to augment their chances. Those controlling the IFBB are masters of the carrot and sap technique. Remember when the winners got a silver plate and $1000! What cheapskates.
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Wrong, everyone in the industry knows what Wayne's all about. He's very convincing as he almost convinced me to invest 10,000 dollars of my money into fitness expo. However you gotta read the fine print and between the lines with him.
Vince, i think they're talkin' bout Mr. Olympia and not the one you competed in "Once called the East Coast Classic and one called the Mr. Muscle. They were not NPC events but some fly by night organizations."
Quit ur jibber jabber Vince! I feel like you get into a conversation to break ice so people can laugh here and there!
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I didn't make Wayne look bad...he did.
That doesn't appear hard to do. Guy comes off like a Class A asshole in every clip I've seen. Talks down to the competitors, etc. Has a tough guy persona. What a jagoff. Probably the only guy I'd knock in bodybuilding...haha. Most of the people who run those shows are shady guys. What a shock, in a sport where you need to consume massive amounts of drugs, just to stay competitive, and they do nothing to clean up the sport. It's all about putting a dollar in their pocket at the cost of people who compete. Must suck to need a constant massive amount of drugs, just to participate in something you enjoy or your profession.
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Bob if I were you, I'd be careful what I take credit for. The great prize money raise is artificial.
The overall prize pool was supposed to be raised by $66,000 from $480,000 to $546,000. If you really look at it, the total prize money paid is about the same as last year with only an increase of $6,000. When you consider $60K of the increase already went to the athletes, $50K from the challenge round, $10K from the Wildcard, all they are doing is just redistributing the prize pool I guess it's a good thing, but it's just a bit of a white lie to say there was an increase of that magnatude.
On another note, Do you really think that all the "terrible" thinks that were going on when Wayne was in the IFBB were his fault? I don't think so. He was an employee. I believe he was just following orders from the Weiders. Wayne in my opinion made the IFBB. He was responsible for any success they enjoyed. Once they fired him/let him go/ whatever, it all went downhill. There is an old saying, Be carefull, the ass you kick today might be the one you have to kiss tomorrow.
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This is great news for everyone who is competing in the 2006 Mr. Olympia -
The total prize money for the Mr. Olympia contest has increased from $480,000 to $546,000 this year. The money from the Challenge Round — which will not be included this year — and last year’s Wildcard Showdown, $60,000 in total, will be distributed among all the athletes.
First place: $155,000.
Second: $90,000.
Third: 60,000.
Fourth: $48,000.
Fifth: $38,000.
Sixth: $30,000.
Seventh: $18,000.
Eighth: $17,000.
Ninth: $16,000.
Tenth: $14,000.
Eleventh and lower: $4,000 each.
(The combined total prize money for the Mr., Ms., Figure and Fitness Olympia competitions is $725,000.)
So just for coming to the Mr. Olympia, you get plane, room, food and $4,000!!!! All you athletes best be in shape if you are gonna go on that stage!!!
This is good news, meaning that most of the competitors get's part of or all of their prep. expenses covered.
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And the ASC would actually have the most prize money if they were allowed to give away more. And why the more prize money yet a shittier venue and show.
If this was true, why hasn't the Arnold raised their prize money in over 10 years? For example, you get $6000 for 6th at the Arnold, and $30,000 for 6th at the O. Five times as much! The O pays out twice as much as the Arnold now. The Arnold could raise their prize total by a lot and still not pay as much as the O. I hope they finally give the athletes a raise one of these years, especially those from 2nd place on down. Some of us on the sponsorship side have been encouraging them to do so every year.
As for Wayne, he had a notoriously crooked deal with the Mandalay Bay that made sure he and the hotel got paid but nobody else did and the athletes never got a raise. There was no way the O could stay there once everyone saw how cooked the books were. As for the Orleans, the hotel sucks (just don't stay there!), but the arena is better than Mandalay Bay. It's bigger and much newer with better seating.
You can believe that the "Weiders" always controlled Wayne but this is B.S. For years it was the other way around. The Weiders have been out of it for over 10 years. It finally caught up to Wayne when he left the IFBB to launch PDI 2 years ago in what he thought was a clever deal of stealing the "IFBB Pro Division" from senile Ben by putting it in his name! People keep forgetting this and saying he was fired or let go or something, but he broke from the IFBB and launched PDI (announced at the athletes meeting at the Orlando Pro in May of 2004 and on this board and others) in order to get even more money and power. He thought everyone would follow his revolution. Lee Priest was all he got. You can't be an a-hole to the athletes for years and then expect them to join your revolution. Yesterday's problem is not tomorrow's solution.
Props to AMI for the massive raise last year and another raise this year, and I especially like the way they distribute the money to the non-winners. You now get as much for last place in the O as you get for 2nd place in almost every other pro show!
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This is great news for everyone who is competing in the 2006 Mr. Olympia -
The total prize money for the Mr. Olympia contest has increased from $480,000 to $546,000 this year. The money from the Challenge Round — which will not be included this year — and last year’s Wildcard Showdown, $60,000 in total, will be distributed among all the athletes.
First place: $155,000.
Second: $90,000.
Third: 60,000.
Fourth: $48,000.
Fifth: $38,000.
Sixth: $30,000.
Seventh: $18,000.
Eighth: $17,000.
Ninth: $16,000.
Tenth: $14,000.
Eleventh and lower: $4,000 each.
(The combined total prize money for the Mr., Ms., Figure and Fitness Olympia competitions is $725,000.)
So just for coming to the Mr. Olympia, you get plane, room, food and $4,000!!!! All you athletes best be in shape if you are gonna go on that stage!!!
THAT'S VERY GOOD NEWS. I'M SO SO HAPPY FOR THESE OTHER OLYMPIA CONTENDERS WHO USED TO WALKED OUT EMPTY HANDED. $4,000 IS WAYYY BETTER THAN NOTHING. I'D SAY IT'S ABOUT TIME.
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Amazing what can be done when the people in charge are actually LISTENING...
I wonder what took those in charge so long to finally realize that these guys spent more than they receive. So much can go into preparing for a show like the Olympia. In the past I've always felt sorry for those other guys leaving the stage with a 17th place empty handed. that's a double blow to the heart. I'm so happy now. $4000 sounds sweet
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Wayne was in favor of giving the guys out of the top ten $0, 240...he believed that
"if they were given $1000, that there would be no incentive for them to show up in shape..."
and you wonder why there are athletes that don't exactly share your sentiments towards Wayne?
It is great that everybody gets paid - about time. I personally think that the $ should continue to stagger down towards the bottom. Should #11 and last place really get the same $? Why not 7,000 for 11th and 2,000 for last? Keep everybody working towards a better placing and money - not just the top ten...
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At the Arnold, anybody can win.
At the O, you can automatically toss out $245K of the prize money cause you already know Ronnie and Jay will be taking 1-2. Almost like it's part of their salary.
The remaining $400K is the *true* prize money, compared with a Ronnie/Jay-free ASC payday of $400k minus the womens cut.
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At the Arnold, anybody can win.
Except Cormier... ha ha.
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actually the winner of the arnold gets more than the winner of the olympia
olympia winner gets 155,000$ and
arnold classic winner gets 100,000$,a hummer and a t3 watch
the total of the arnold classic winner if u include the price of the hummer and the watch it totals upto 170,000$ plus..i think so the olympia winner gets less and a bit of increase to winner would b appreciated more
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actually the winner of the arnold gets more than the winner of the olympia
olympia winner gets 155,000$ and
arnold classic winner gets 100,000$,a hummer and a t3 watch
the total of the arnold classic winner if u include the price of the hummer and the watch it totals upto 170,000$ plus..i think so the olympia winner gets less and a bit of increase to winner would b appreciated more
the t3 watch is worth $40k?
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the t3 watch is worth $40k?
Lou Ferrigno signed it
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Lou Ferrigno signed it
Gotcha.
$60k then.
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Sounds like creeping socialism to me, Bob. >:(
If I had $546,000 to spread around, I'd spread it like this...
1 150,000
2 100,000
3 80,000
4 60,000
5 50,000
6 40,000
7 30,000
8 20,000
9 10,000
10 6,000
If you can't make the top 10, you'd have done us all a favor by staying home. On your way out the door, the stagehand can give you a protein powder sample left over from the Arnold and mimeographed directions on how to get to the bus station.
haha yess!! this is excactly what i was going to say...except much more for first place.
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Mad props to everyone who helped raise the prize money.
Chic it seems aside from your hate towards PDI and Wayne you do more than Shawn Ray ever dreamed about, so I guess mad props to you too. Now help Lee compete at the Olympia and you will make history.
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what's a t3 watch?
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the t3 watch is worth $40k?
No.
http://www.thepurists.com/brandjpg/ap/os/t3/index.html
There are several watch suppliers offering them for sale at $30K but no buyers.
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what's a t3 watch?
It was a limited edition watch made by Audemars Piguet, based on their Royal Oak Offshore model.
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actually the winner of the arnold gets more than the winner of the olympia
olympia winner gets 155,000$ and
arnold classic winner gets 100,000$,a hummer and a t3 watch
the total of the arnold classic winner if u include the price of the hummer and the watch it totals upto 170,000$ plus..i think so the olympia winner gets less and a bit of increase to winner would b appreciated more
a couple years ago, Coleman did receive an Escalade besides the Prize money. I thought it was gonna be a yearly thing just like the Arnold
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(http://www.thepurists.com/brandjpg/ap/os/t3/onwristJB.jpg)
That's rather butch, isn't it. :) You'll need a mass-monster's wrists to carry off that one.
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It just seems to much coincidental that the prize $ for the O goes up the year of the first PDI show. I wonder if it's a way of keeping the IFBB athletes put? Why not last year or at the NY pro show? Me thinks I smell something fishy. The war is on. David VS. Goliath off 2006.
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As for Wayne, he had a notoriously crooked deal with the Mandalay Bay that made sure he and the hotel got paid but nobody else did and the athletes never got a raise. There was no way the O could stay there once everyone saw how cooked the books were. As for the Orleans, the hotel sucks (just don't stay there!), but the arena is better than Mandalay Bay. It's bigger and much newer with better seating.
What was crooked about his deal with the Mandalay Bay? The bottom line is that the Mandalay Bay costs a lot more than the Orleans. AMI wanted more money in their pockets, so they moved to the Orleans and covered up their attempt to run a cheap show by increasing the prize money. Wayne catered to the fans, AMI is catering to the bodybuilders. Not a very smart move.
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They say the Orleans has a kick-ass buffet.
http://www.ratelasvegas.com/buffets/buffetrank.html
Besides, how much time are you going to spend in your room anyway?
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It just seems to much coincidental that the prize $ for the O goes up the year of the first PDI show. I wonder if it's a way of keeping the IFBB athletes put? Why not last year or at the NY pro show? Me thinks I smell something fishy. The war is on. David VS. Goliath off 2006.
There's nothing at all wrong with this. If it took the advent of the PDI for the IFBB to finally decide the performers were worth a larger slice of the pie, so be it. With the exception of raising fan ticket prices (which are already at ridiculous amounts), I'll support anything which puts more revenue in the performers' pockets.
If the threat of PDI defections makes the IFBB promoters give more money to its member athletes, that is a GOOD thing.
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It just seems to much coincidental that the prize $ for the O goes up the year of the first PDI show. I wonder if it's a way of keeping the IFBB athletes put? Why not last year or at the NY pro show? Me thinks I smell something fishy. The war is on. David VS. Goliath off 2006.
The prize money was increased LAST year by 30%,
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As for Wayne, he had a notoriously crooked deal with the Mandalay Bay that made sure he and the hotel got paid but nobody else did and the athletes never got a raise. There was no way the O could stay there once everyone saw how cooked the books were.
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The Weider clan always got plenty for their "Canadian non-profit organization"...and it was always in American dollars.
Don't a high percentage of "non-profit" businesses provide some service to their communities?
I wonder what the IFBB does for its community.
I wonder where all the money goes.
And I wonder if my paid tickets to IFBB events are also tax-deductible (under charitable donations as opposed to business expenses).
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I agree...and made it abundantly clear to Wayne at the 2002 Press conference that it was a disgrace that athletes competing for the biggest title in our sport, were going home with a warm handshake and a pat on the back....
Amazing what can be done when the people in charge are actually LISTENING...
$4,000 is nice, but it's not the grand accomplishment you're making it out to be...come on ::)
If you want the atheletes to make more, the promoters have to make more. And, for that to happen, you need more people in attendance and better sponsors.
Here is an idea to increase attendance: You could get a concervative 40% increase in schomoe attendance (the true fans), by raffling out a free gay for pay with each of the contestants. I bet a guy like Earl would help organize the whole promotion.
As for sponsors, has anyone looked at drug companies? I gusessing Upjohn, Watson or even Wyeth, the makers of Advil, would find oodles of target consumers at this event.
just a thought...
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$4,000 is nice, but it's not the grand accomplishment you're making it out to be...come on ::)
Agreed. After all, Venon Vince Versace makes almost that much in a single weekend appearance at the flea market.
You could get a concervative 40% increase in schomoe attendance (the true fans),
lol @ "schomoe"!
In truth, though, Mindspin, "they" have always had a reluctance to want to grow the sport. The bigger it is and the more outside money there is, then the less control "they" would have. It's weird - "they" would rather make less money, because by doing so, "they" retain a greater level of control of everything under "their" umbrella.
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You could get a concervative 40% increase in schomoe attendance (the true fans), by raffling out a free gay for pay with each of the contestants. I bet a guy like Earl would help organize the whole promotion.
As for sponsors, has anyone looked at drug companies?
Imagine if, say, Out Magazine offered a huge sum of money in sponsorship for the Mr. O.
The IFBB would never take it! They wouldn't dare! Too many uncomfortable questions would be asked!
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Actually, I am impressed that Robin and the crew have listened to everyone's feedback for the Olympia Weekend, and are truly trying to make it the best!!!! Much appreciated! And the prize money is great!!! For all athletes, who now cannot complain one bit!
Well they need to listen to this.................... ....take the show out out the New Orleans put everything back in the Mandalay Bay. Give me one reason other than cost why they have it at the Orleans?
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Well they need to listen to this.................... ....take the show out out the New Orleans put everything back in the Mandalay Bay. Give me one reason other than cost why they have it at the Orleans?
What did you dislike about the Orleans Arena as a venue?
Did you stay at the Orleans hotel or somewhere else?
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If this was true, why hasn't the Arnold raised their prize money in over 10 years? For example, you get $6000 for 6th at the Arnold, and $30,000 for 6th at the O. Five times as much! The O pays out twice as much as the Arnold now. The Arnold could raise their prize total by a lot and still not pay as much as the O. I hope they finally give the athletes a raise one of these years, especially those from 2nd place on down. Some of us on the sponsorship side have been encouraging them to do so every year.
As for Wayne, he had a notoriously crooked deal with the Mandalay Bay that made sure he and the hotel got paid but nobody else did and the athletes never got a raise. There was no way the O could stay there once everyone saw how cooked the books were. As for the Orleans, the hotel sucks (just don't stay there!), but the arena is better than Mandalay Bay. It's bigger and much newer with better seating.
You can believe that the "Weiders" always controlled Wayne but this is B.S. For years it was the other way around. The Weiders have been out of it for over 10 years. It finally caught up to Wayne when he left the IFBB to launch PDI 2 years ago in what he thought was a clever deal of stealing the "IFBB Pro Division" from senile Ben by putting it in his name! People keep forgetting this and saying he was fired or let go or something, but he broke from the IFBB and launched PDI (announced at the athletes meeting at the Orlando Pro in May of 2004 and on this board and others) in order to get even more money and power. He thought everyone would follow his revolution. Lee Priest was all he got. You can't be an a-hole to the athletes for years and then expect them to join your revolution. Yesterday's problem is not tomorrow's solution.
Props to AMI for the massive raise last year and another raise this year, and I especially like the way they distribute the money to the non-winners. You now get as much for last place in the O as you get for 2nd place in almost every other pro show!
Wow is this Vince G relative. you are about as dellusional as he is. Wayne controled the Weiders. Interesting concept but pretty stupid. I guarantee you wrok for AMI, Weiders or Manion. This post of yours is rightup there with Vince's posts. Crooked dealing with the Mandalay Bay. Dude you are very funny. ;D Oh yea mad props to AMI. WHo in just 3 short years fucked up the #1 BB show on the planet. Maybe next year they can have Motel 6 host it and have the show at one of the high schools. Then they can increase the prize money again.
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$4,000 is nice, but it's not the grand accomplishment you're making it out to be...come on ::)
If you want the atheletes to make more, the promoters have to make more. And, for that to happen, you need more people in attendance and better sponsors.
Here is an idea to increase attendance: You could get a concervative 40% increase in schomoe attendance (the true fans), by raffling out a free gay for pay with each of the contestants. I bet a guy like Earl would help organize the whole promotion.
As for sponsors, has anyone looked at drug companies? I gusessing Upjohn, Watson or even Wyeth, the makers of Advil, would find oodles of target consumers at this event.
just a thought...
Are you joking?
It went from $0 under Wayne to $4,000 under current establishment...
ask the competitors who put $4,000 in their pocket if they think it's an accomplishment...
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If the BB would cake off the industry like football players, they would earn a minimum of like 750,000 an Olympia.... think about it, thats like thier whole SAESON worth of work....some guys are so good that they dont even need to play the regular season!! (Jay, Ronnie,Dex) The winner should earn at least 10 mil and that is being conservative. I think that baseball, football, and all the other sports sell the experience of the team though merchandising, events, and advertisment. Bodybuilding sells health!! People are going to want to be healthy, obesity is on the rise. More people are going to subsequently want to go to the gym. If we had a Mr. Olympia which appealed more to a larger audience, but not as a genetic mutant...but a picture of health, beauty and strength. I think that the industry can elevate superstars on a broad scale. But there has to be like a Micheal Jordan, Lance Armstrong or Tiger Woods type individual that will cause people to all notice. Arnold was as close as the sport got and he knew where the money was.
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Slowly but surely, a rise in cash prize.
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Nice watch, but damn if I'd pay $500 (much less $30K) just to know what time it is.
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Nice watch, but damn if I'd pay $500 (much less $30K) just to know what time it is.
I can't inteterest you in a Jean Dunand Grande Complication then - one careful owner $800,000 ;D
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Arnold was as close as the sport got and he knew where the money was.
Yep, outside of bodybuilding.
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Are you joking?
It went from $0 under Wayne to $4,000 under current establishment...
ask the competitors who put $4,000 in their pocket if they think it's an accomplishment...
Ha ha ha! That won't even cover one month's prep expenses. If it were me I'd consider it an insult and just donate it to charity...
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Ha ha ha! That won't even cover one month's prep expenses. If it were me I'd consider it an insult and just donate it to charity...
Bodybuilders who finish out of the top 10 at the O probably can't afford to be insulted. ;)
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Yep, outside of bodybuilding.
hahaha.... ain't that the truth. :D
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Are you joking?
It went from $0 under Wayne to $4,000 under current establishment...
ask the competitors who put $4,000 in their pocket if they think it's an accomplishment...
Uhhhhhhhhh! Big Deal. The reason they can raise the prize money is because they spend less on making the #1 show in BB the best. It is barely better than a regional NPC show. Sure the competitors are the best but te show is not even close. Sure ifyou are going to cut in production costs you'll have some money left over so why not raise the prize money to make your self look good. Any idiot could have figured that out. But, Wayne was promting the #1 BB show in the planet so he figured go balls out and make it that way. The IFBB/Weiders were paid $350,000+ each year for the fee to put on the Olympia. Maybe they should have taken less money and have Wayne give it out as more prize money. How come you couldn't figure this out. Wayne puts up all his money for the show yet the Weiders come out ahead. Manion's bill exceeds $40,000 for a week in Vegas. How come instread of having Wayne pay for his entire families epxense to have fun in Vegas, have Wayne make the prize money more. QUit trying to make it sound like AMI or anyone else is repsonsible for raising the prize money and Wayne is repsonsible for keeping it down. These are 100% facts. You guys sugar coat everything to try to make the IFBB and AMI look good. But for the few who actually know the numbers and how promotions work it doesn't fly. But good try
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So you're telling me Wayne made NOTHING on the show? Maybe Wayne could've taken less profit and increased the purse. What were all the "bells and whistles" that Wayne had going on in the production dept?
The expo is much bigger, the venue is much bigger and better...and most importantly, there is more money in the ATHLETE'S pockets....you think the guys give a shit about Wayne making a better show for himself and taking in a whopping ZERO dollars for their effort?
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The expo is much bigger, the venue is much bigger and better...
Why do so many longtime Olympia attendees complain about the new hotel situation?
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Why do so many longtime Olympia attendees complain about the new hotel situation?
Because the hotel sucks...People aren't going to see the hotel room, they're going to see the Olympia...it's Vegas for Christsake...people can stay where ever they wish...take a taxi to the Orleans Arena...it's 10 bucks.
People complained when it was at the Mandalay also...bitched it was too expensive.
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"Athletes"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why do so many longtime Olympia attendees complain about the new hotel situation?
I don't think anyone who has stayed there would claim it's the greatest hotel in Vegas but if you're on a budget then it's fine.
The advantage the Mandalay had was the theatre and the expo space were on the same lot. Very convenient for those that stayed there, but a lot of people stayed at other hotels and had to travel. They were the one's Bob mentioned who complained that the hotel was too expensive and moaned that they had to take a cab to the venue.
Now the people who stayed at the Mandalay complain that they have to take a cab to the venue!
Can't please all the people all the time ;D
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So you're telling me Wayne made NOTHING on the show? Maybe Wayne could've taken less profit and increased the purse. What were all the "bells and whistles" that Wayne had going on in the production dept?
The expo is much bigger, the venue is much bigger and better...and most importantly, there is more money in the ATHLETE'S pockets....you think the guys give a shit about Wayne making a better show for himself and taking in a whopping ZERO dollars for their effort?
I didn't say that. Come on Chic you are doing what others do on here. You put words on others mouths. Wayne made the numbers and he split profits. He paid everything up front that needed to be paid for the show. Imagine this Chic. Shitty show like last years ad the years before. Probably less people at the show this year. Expo will always do great until the quit giving away free shit. If no one goes to the show it means less ticket sales. That means less revenue. And sooner or later like in all business you can only take a loss for so long then you have to stop taking a loss. If the athletes like you say don't care about anything but the moey they make. Then I would as the IFBB athletes rep either tell the IFBB or do it yourself and find a cheaper place to do it cut back on staging and lighting, maybe use folding chairs, and a blowhorn, then you can really make the prize money better. Really, since you say no one cares about anything but the money that is one sure fire way to increase prize money. See if you can push that through.
And Wayne took all the chances as does any other promoter. He made awesome money from each Olympia but he also stuck his neck out. The Weiders the IFBB did nothign to help just took money and a whole lot each Olympia. And why does Manion bring in his entire family, stay at the Mandalay Bay for a week, have over a $5,000 room service bill and eat at all the most expensive restaurants and have Wayne pay it as part of the expenses. $40,000 in a week is pretty excessive. That money could have been used to increase the prize money way back. Did Manion or Weider stay at the Orleans last year. Face it the only reason they increased the prize money is pressure and because they lessened the value and cost of the show and had the extrra money. And I bet they saved allot more than they are giving out.
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Keith,
What hotel did you stay in last year?
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Keith,
What hotel did you stay in last year?
I don't stay at hotels. I had a condo there and my uncle lives at the top of Sahara. But, I have stayed at the Orleans because that is the hotel I played at most. I lived there for 2 years. In 2000 and 2001 my company printed the Mr. Olympia shirts.
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I don't stay at hotels. I had a condo there and my uncle lives at the top of Sahara. But, I have stayed at the Orleans because that is the hotel I played at most. I lived there for 2 years. In 2000 and 2001 my company printed the Mr. Olympia shirts.
What did you think of the Orleans for someone on a budget?
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I personally like the Orleans especially if you have kids. They have a great childcare center, the best theaters in Vegas, a huge bowling alley, ice cream parlor and allot of other stuff. My rate there is $24 a night with one free night with every paid night. SO I can't go wrong. I played craps there everyday I lived in Vegas. There and the Aladdin. The rooms aren't that bad. The one bedroom suites are fine. Like most people though who really cares about the hotel. You only sleep there. The A/C works and thats all that matters.
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I think a white Hummer with oversized rims would be a perfect car for this asshole. Completely unnecessary.
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a couple years ago, Coleman did receive an Escalade besides the Prize money. I thought it was gonna be a yearly thing just like the Arnold
yeah it was in 2002 and 2003..dunno y they discontinued giving the car...
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I personally like the Orleans especially if you have kids. They have a great childcare center, the best theaters in Vegas, a huge bowling alley, ice cream parlor and allot of other stuff. My rate there is $24 a night with one free night with every paid night. SO I can't go wrong. I played craps there everyday I lived in Vegas. There and the Aladdin. The rooms aren't that bad. The one bedroom suites are fine. Like most people though who really cares about the hotel. You only sleep there. The A/C works and thats all that matters.
Thanks,
I thought the place was ok for those on a budget who wanted to be close to the venue.
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yeah it was in 2002 and 2003..dunno y they discontinued giving the car...
Because the sponsor stopped providing one.
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Guys,
I don't know Wayne from a Hobo on 5th aveneue but you guys ever think Wayne was a prick (picture you guys paint) because of the pressure he was getting from his bosses?
Bob...why did Wayne finally leave the IFBB?
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So you're telling me Wayne made NOTHING on the show? Maybe Wayne could've taken less profit and increased the purse. What were all the "bells and whistles" that Wayne had going on in the production dept?
The expo is much bigger, the venue is much bigger and better...and most importantly, there is more money in the ATHLETE'S pockets....you think the guys give a shit about Wayne making a better show for himself and taking in a whopping ZERO dollars for their effort?
Some bells & whistles Wayne had going on:
- The show was at the Mandalay Bay, with the hotel, expo, and event center all in one place.
- The women's pre-judging was held in the Mandalay Bay Theatre, not in the expo.
- There was a Muscle Beach set up at the pool area with seminars going on all weekend.
- The expo was free
- There was a cocktail party for VIP ticketholders after the women's finals.
- Ticket prices were cheaper.
- The show was organized and not run like a junior high school play.
Wayne didn't make a better show for himself, he made a better show for the fans. Do you think the majority of fans would have voted to give up the bells and whistles to increase the prize money by 30%? No way.
The host hotel matters because people want to have everything within walking distance and not have to drive across town to get to the expo or stay somewhere that is 4 miles from the event. We already have that at the Arnold. The advantage of the Olympia was the "bodybuilding community" feel of having everything under one roof and the prestige of a nice location.
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I think a white Hummer with oversized rims would be a perfect car for this asshole. Completely unnecessary.
Ha ha! Ain't that the truth.
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I can't inteterest you in a Jean Dunand Grande Complication then - one careful owner $800,000 ;D
Does it come with a heated pool and a driver for the Bentley??
(that $800K would get you a nice 3-bedroom 'starter home' here in SoCal...ugh)
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Does it come with a heated pool and a driver for the Bentley??
(that $800K would get you a nice 3-bedroom 'starter home' here in SoCal...ugh)
No pool and a service costs more than a Bentley's ;D
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I want to hear from Chic what he thinks about movng the Olympia host hotel to Motel 6 or somewhere like that and having the show at maybe a high school auditorium. Doing it as cheap as possible so that they can spend more money on prizes since the atheltes don't care about where it's at and the fans don't matter. Also, all those years Wayne had the show, why Manion spent so much of the profits and why didn't the IFBB take a lesser percentage so that the prize money could be increased. They made $300,000+ almost every year. And what did they do for that. I hope Chic now you can go back the IFBB and tell them to increase the prize money more instead of just $40,000 or whatever they did since they make so much at the show. Your employer is taking advantage of you.
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Why do so many longtime Olympia attendees complain about the new hotel situation?
Because there are not sufficient hotel rooms within 'comfortable' walking distance of the Expo at the Convention Center.
If one chooses to stay at the 'official' hotel in order to be near a large number of Olympia participants (fans, competitors, media, etc), then the commute back and forth between the Expo location is long and tiring. It generally took 30-40 minutes each way (worse for some, slightly better for others) and is expected to take even longer this year.
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People complained when it was at the Mandalay also...bitched it was too expensive.
But at Mandalay, at least you had it all under one roof and the monorail connection to the less expensive Luxor and super-budget Excalibur gave easy transportation to-and-fro within minutes.
Having the 3 distinct pricing options while still being a short distance away from the Expo and contest venue were huge feathers in the Mandalay Olympia's cap.
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The Mandalay Bay has quite a bit more mystique and luxury than the Orleans. Generally in a World Championship setting you want it to be the epitome of the circuit, the best place to have your World Championships. But, since Chic said none of the atheltes care about the location and what is offered only the money then they moved it and I think he will puch to have it done at a high school next year so more prize money can be given out. of course the fans who pay the ticket price will have to suffer but according to Chic who cares. As long as the athletes get more money. Wayne pocketed about $300,000 for the Olympia. I woud think AMI is making that at least especially since they are spending way less than Wayne did. So why does the prize money only go up a small amount. CHic as the IFBB rep you should ask to look at the books and ask them t justify why they are making so much and why can't they bump the prize money to at least a million and give the winner at least $500,000 1st prize.
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Well, shit, bro.....lets just have it in the parking lot under a tent and give $500,000 to the winner!
By all means, lets use the most extreme example we can to illustrate a point.
I liked the "under one roof" set up myself a whole lot better, more convenient, better atmosphere...many advantages. BUT, after the mess Wayne left in regards to the Mandalay Bay....it wasn't possible to continue on there.
Once again Keith, there are many things you aren't aware of...and there are two sides to every story.
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Agree or disagree with how the Olympia is run, one thing is for certain it will happen. We can't say the same for Wayne's Vegas show now can we? Keith maybe you should focus your energy on helping your sinking PDI ship...
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Agree or disagree with how the Olympia is run, one thing is for certain it will happen. We can't say the same for Wayne's Vegas show now can we? Keith maybe you should focus your energy on helping your sinking PDI ship...
Right now I am working on opening two gyms at one time. I really don't have time to do too much more. Maybe after they open in late Oct. I can find time to argue the PDI thing. But I am worn out about it. I figure I will wait to see how the NOC is done and make my judgement. I would suggest the same to you just in case your theory backfires and you don't have to come on here trying to back peddle all your bad remarks about it.
What mess did Wayne leave at the Mandalay Bay. He paid all the bills. IN fact he had staging and lighting he offered to give to AMI to use for the Olympia that they turned down. He was still offering to help them even after leaving. He wanted a good show to continue. The Olympia was not kicked out of the Manadaly Bay they left to save money. I'm not sure what is meant by the mess he left at the Mandalay Bay. But I will be talking to him this weekend and I will ask (if I remember)
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It's going to be quite interesting to see what happens if AMI divests itself of Flex and Muscle and Fitness before the Olympia. How is the Prize money going to be guaranteed ?
The new owners may not be under any obligation to finance this event. Will sponsors still line up and invest money into an event whose financial returns have diminished quite a bit for them. Just some food for thought.
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BUT, after the mess Wayne left in regards to the Mandalay Bay....it wasn't possible to continue on there.
Once again Keith, there are many things you aren't aware of...and there are two sides to every story.
Mmm...as you might expect, I saw it differently.
Although they will NEVER admit it, it's my opinion that the people running the Olympia in 2004 *hated* the fact that their main event played second fiddle to the rodeo cowboy expo at the Mandalay that weekend.
It's entirely possible that the Olympia was unable to secure a suitable weekend in 2005 (and now, 2006) because of the increased competition from major organizations wanting to use Mandalay's facilities and rather than be #2 in a great location, they'd rather be #1 at the Convention Center and a WAY-off-the-Strip hotel.
Have they ever contacted the Rio? It's cheaper than Strip hotels and offers the same all-in-one convenience we enjoyed at Mandalay.
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Have they ever contacted the Rio? It's cheaper than Strip hotels and offers the same all-in-one convenience we enjoyed at Mandalay.
Far too small.
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Hopefully, whoever is running the Olympia in '07 will reallize the advantages of being under one roof and find a good place for the event. The Mandalay Bay was nice, but if it doesn't return there they should shop around. It may be a good idea to move it out of Vegas. I'm sure they can get a nice venue somewhere else that has everything all in one.
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Well, shit, bro.....lets just have it in the parking lot under a tent and give $500,000 to the winner!
By all means, lets use the most extreme example we can to illustrate a point.
I liked the "under one roof" set up myself a whole lot better, more convenient, better atmosphere...many advantages. BUT, after the mess Wayne left in regards to the Mandalay Bay....it wasn't possible to continue on there.
Once again Keith, there are many things you aren't aware of...and there are two sides to every story.
What mess Chic. From what I understand he paid all the bills,didn't leave a mess anywhere. He in fct told AMI to use the staging and lighting they have been using the past year to make sure the show looked good. They refused. The are stupid. And also, AMI ran the show from the Mandalay Bay the first year they took over. If Wayne mess it up so bad why did the Mandalay Bay allow it to be run the next year. It was actually AMI that caused such a mess. There were still a few years left on the contract I think and AMI refused to go back unless they lowered some prices and made it less expensive to run. This is actually what happened. AMI wanted to change the whole cntract Wayne had with them. When they refused to change AMI left for a cheaper place. I do know most of the facts cause I talk to the actual people involved. This is what I was told. And I am way more apt to believe 3 separate guys over what AMI, Weider or Manion has to say. They are used tolying and deceiving people.
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I liked the "under one roof" set up myself a whole lot better, more convenient, better atmosphere...many advantages. BUT, after the mess Wayne left in regards to the Mandalay Bay....it wasn't possible to continue on there.
I find it VERY hard to believe that the mess he made was so bad that they would be unwilling to host an event when he left.
If you're doing business with a firm DESPITE the presence of some jerk, then he leaves, why would you STOP doing business with that firm? I am sure that without Wayne and his "mess", the mandalay and the IFBB should have no problem finding a good working relationship.
I can't believe it's being spun this way. The O sucks since Wayne left - and it's being blamed on him? LMAO...
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I find it VERY hard to believe that the mess he made was so bad that they would be unwilling to host an event when he left.
If you're doing business with a firm DESPITE the presence of some jerk, then he leaves, why would you STOP doing business with that firm? I am sure that without Wayne and his "mess", the mandalay and the IFBB should have no problem finding a good working relationship.
I can't believe it's being spun this way. The O sucks since Wayne left - and it's being blamed on him? LMAO...
He didn't screw up anything. AMI put on the Olympia the year after Wayne left. If he screwed itup with the Mandalay Bay why were they back there the next year. The problem was AMI wanted to do the show at the Mandalay Bay but for less cost. They tried to bargin with them and lost. It is that simple. It cost Wayne allot of money to put on the Olympia and he didn't want to lessen it. AMI came in there the next year wanting everything Wayne got from them but for less money. When they couldn't convince the Mandalay Bay to lower there rates and give them more they were forced to leave. Very simple facts. Can't sugar coat them, and can't dispute them. Think about it, if Wayne screwed things up then why did AMI do the show there the next year.
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They should hold it at the Hard Rock. Cheap hotel across the street if you can't afford HR and Rehab at the pool on sunday is awesome!!!!!!!
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He didn't screw up anything. AMI put on the Olympia the year after Wayne left. If he screwed itup with the Mandalay Bay why were they back there the next year. The problem was AMI wanted to do the show at the Mandalay Bay but for less cost. They tried to bargin with them and lost. It is that simple. It cost Wayne allot of money to put on the Olympia and he didn't want to lessen it. AMI came in there the next year wanting everything Wayne got from them but for less money. When they couldn't convince the Mandalay Bay to lower there rates and give them more they were forced to leave. Very simple facts. Can't sugar coat them, and can't dispute them. Think about it, if Wayne screwed things up then why did AMI do the show there the next year.
Bob continually points the finger at Wayne for the current crappy O digs.
Bottom line is that AMI/IFBB has had several years now since Wayne's departure, and the O is getting worse, not better. You can point fingers at someone in 2002, but seriously, it's a yearly event and those running it are free to change anything they want. When even Bob Chic admits "the hotel sucks", you have to wonder - Why can't they improve it? Or, why WON'T they improve it? Eaier to badtalk someone from the past, than to just spend more money improving it?
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He didn't screw up anything. AMI put on the Olympia the year after Wayne left. If he screwed itup with the Mandalay Bay why were they back there the next year. The problem was AMI wanted to do the show at the Mandalay Bay but for less cost. They tried to bargin with them and lost. It is that simple. It cost Wayne allot of money to put on the Olympia and he didn't want to lessen it. AMI came in there the next year wanting everything Wayne got from them but for less money. When they couldn't convince the Mandalay Bay to lower there rates and give them more they were forced to leave. Very simple facts. Can't sugar coat them, and can't dispute them. Think about it, if Wayne screwed things up then why did AMI do the show there the next year.
Nobody who has attended the Olympia is dumb enough to think that it's a better show now because more prize money is given out. Wayne spared no expense when it was held at the Mandalay Bay, and that's the way the Olympia should be run. When AMI took over, it set the Olympia back 10 years. During the '03 press conference, Wayne stated that the prize money would be $1 million within 5 years. He had things heading in the right direction. Too bad the IFBB got money hungry and aligned with AMI to cheapen the event.
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Nobody who has attended the Olympia is dumb enough to think that it's a better show now because more prize money is given out. Wayne spared no expense when it was held at the Mandalay Bay, and that's the way the Olympia should be run. When AMI took over, it set the Olympia back 10 years. During the '03 press conference, Wayne stated that the prize money would be $1 million within 5 years. He had things heading in the right direction. Too bad the IFBB got money hungry and aligned with AMI to cheapen the event.
Absolutely correct. No matter how much Chic tries to defend the IFBB and AMI on this one, he is fighting a losing battle. The greedy hands of the IFBB has made the Olympia the 3rd or maybe 4th best show in the country. It might have the title and the money (only because they restrict the ASC), but they are now down on the list of good shows.