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I have seen other cases in which a drug was given,administered or suggested to take by an individual and then when the indivudal dies, the other is held responsible.
Since Dave Palumbo was reportedly advising Anthony D` Arezzo, could he be in fact held liable or responsible for his death, either in a civil suit (Wrongful death,Negligence) or even a criminal case (2nd or 3rd degree murder,Criminal Negligence,involuntary manslaughter)?
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What other people do you know that died?
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Wrongful Death Suit Against MIT Filed By Parents of Richard Guy
By Kevin R. Lang
NEWS AND FEATURES DIRECTOR
The parents of Richard A. Guy Jr. ’99 filed a wrongful death suit against MIT, one day before the three-year statute of limitations would have expired.
Guy died from asphyxiation as a result of nitrous oxide intoxication on Aug. 31, 1999, during Orientation. His parents, Richard A. Guy Sr. and Janet V. Guy, both of Mission Viejo, Calif., filed a complaint Aug. 30 with Middlesex Superior Court in Cambridge, suing MIT for one count of wrongful death and one count of wrongful death with gross negligence.
The Guys claim in their complaint that MIT “breached their duty to provide reasonable care, supervision and oversight of students in its dormitories,” and thus “MIT’s failure to meet its duty of care” contributed to Guy’s death.
MIT received an extension until Jan. 21, 2003, to answer the complaint. Daryl Lapp, an attorney for Palmer and Dodge LLP, which represents MIT, said that the answer date was delayed so the two parties could share information.
Lapp declined comment on any specifics of the case or MIT’s expected action. “The parties are exchanging information, and during that period of time ... they are going to have no public comment about the suit,” he said.
MIT spokesman Kenneth D. Campbell also declined to comment, as did Guy’s mother.
Other parties might be named
The Guys are also suing several persons named as “John/Jane Doe,” a method of naming additional, as yet unknown defendants. Three separate such defendants were named, including anyone who might have had some role in supervising Guy at East Campus, where he was a resident of Fifth East, anyone who might have allowed Guy access to nitrous oxide, and anyone employed through MIT Medical. The complaint admits that prior to 1999, Guy “had engaged in experimental drug use, and had sought treatment from MIT’s medical and health service staff for this problem.”
The suit claims that by paying Guy’s tuition, room, and board, “included in these payments was MIT’s promise, through its student handbook and student registration materials, that it would supervise and oversee its students and, particularly, the student residents of its dormitories.”
According to the complaint, “MIT knew or should have known ... that drug use was ongoing” at East Campus, but instead MIT “allowed drug use ... to continue unabated.”
The complaint cites “the appearance of the 5th floor, where the walls and ceilings of part of the 5th floor were painted black and light bulbs painted pink and purple” as evidence of drug use on Fifth East. In addition, the complaint alleges that MIT “knew or should have known that [East Campus residents] abused nitrous oxide within the dormitory and kept a canister of nitrous oxide, sometimes referred to as ‘the dorm bottle.’”
The suit also claims that MIT did not take “reasonable steps” to secure canisters of nitrous oxide which were on campus “for valid scientific purposes.”
No damages named yet
The Guys have not made any claims for damages at this time, in part because they admit in the complaint that “Richard was not blameless in this tragedy.” Rather, the complaint requests “the full amount of damages proved at trial, plus punitive damages, interest, costs, attorneys fees and other such relief as this Court deems appropriate.”
The Guys are suing under Massachusetts General Law Chapter 229, Section 2, which defines wrongful death by either an act of negligence or by “by willful, wanton or reckless act.” The law allows for damages to be awarded for “expected net income, services, protection, care, assistance, society, companionship, comfort, guidance, counsel, and advice of the decedent to the persons entitled to the damages recovered.” Guy’s parents could be also be awarded burial expenses and punitive damages.
Others charged previously
The suit is the first legal action taken directly against MIT in the Guy case. In September 1999, Susan M. Mosher ’99 and Rene A. Ruiz ’99 were charged with drug possession with intent to distribute as a result of a Campus Police investigation into Guy’s death. Guy was found dead in Mosher’s room, Walcott 509.
Based on witness statements, MIT Police obtained a warrant to search Mosher’s room, where they found alcohol, marijuana, mushrooms, amphetamines, nitrous oxide, and various drug paraphernalia.
Guy’s not first nitrous oxide death
Guy’s death in August 1999 was not the first instance of nitrous oxide abuse involving members of the MIT community. In March 1984, Keith T. Ennis ’84 died at Tau Epsilon Phi after overdosing on nitrous oxide.
In 1988, Pi Lambda Phi was suspended from rushing freshman for violations including use of nitrous at a pledge party, and in 1991, two electricians working at Lincoln Lab died after using nitrous oxide in their van.
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Wrongful Death
A death resulting from misconduct on the part of another person or a company is considered a "wrongful death". The misconduct by the responsible party can range from negligence or carelessness to an intentional criminal act resulting in a wrongful death. A single person may be responsible, or the death may be due to the job site where the wrongful death victim worked, a company that produces a specific item (such as a drug company), or an establishment such as a hospital.
There are a number of wrongful death situations, including work-related accidents, medical mistakes or malpractice, automobile and plane accidents, and sports related accidents. A wrongful death may also occur due to the unsafe nature of the premises on which the incident occurs. For instance, if a property owner fails to adequately secure access to a pool, a child's drowning on that property may constitute a wrongful death.
The loss of a loved one is always devastating, and the trauma surrounding a wrongful death can be especially difficult to deal with. However, if a loved one has died as the result of another's wrongdoing or negligence, filing a wrongful death suit may help to bring some sense of resolution to the loss of life. In addition, a party found liable for a wrongful death will be held accountable, minimizing the chances that another person will suffer or die due to the same circumstances.
Depending upon the state in which the wrongful death suit is filed and the relationship of the persons filing to the deceased, various losses and damages may be claimed in a wrongful death suit. For a spouse, compensation may be due for the loss of the love, affection, companionship, and services of the deceased for their joint life expectancy. If the wrongful death victim had dependant children, they may be entitled to recover the loss of guidance, affection, and support of the deceased. Wrongful death survivors are also entitled to "actual losses", which include hospital and funeral expenses, and lost wages.
Wrongful death lawsuits are delicate and should be handled by an attorney familiar with the particular legal requirements involved. A lawyer who has experience representing survivors in wrongful death suits will be able to explain the necessary legal methods while remaining sensitive to the needs of the bereaved.
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Intriguing.
My guess is that there won't be enough evidence for anything. but it does lead to a bigger concept - Are, and should, nutritionists held responsible for the extremes their athletes go to? Obvously it's the athlete who chooses to dehydrate to the point where it becomes dangerous. It's not like he's working at the library and somebody slipped a diuretic in his morning coffee.
Very interesting question though, TA.
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I don't know about a lawsuit but it's gotta suck for Palumbo IF he advised him with diuretics or whatever. If he did advise D'arezzo I don't blame him since D'arezzo made the choise himself but still... I'd feel bad.
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The term "wrongful death" means that a person's death was due to another party's negligence, and a claim for wrongful death can be filed against another individual, group or company. Wrongful death claims are commonly filed as a result of an accident but may also include criminal acts, work related negligence and professional negligence. In order to collect for damages, you must prove that the other party was, in fact, negligent and their negligence caused the death. In most cases, a wrongful death claim must be filed by a relative of the person who died and, in some States, you must first show the courts that you have the legal right to seek damages against the negligent party.
Filing a wrongful death claim is extremely difficult for families because, not only must they deal with their grief over the death, they must also deal with a very complicated legal situation. It is important to keep in mind that the death was caused due to another's negligence and the family has the right to be compensated for their loss.
A claim for wrongful death may include compensation for the following:
Reimbursement for all medical expenses incurred as a result of the negligence.
Reimbursement for the loss of any future income.
Reimbursement for property damage, if applicable.
Reimbursement for any future services normally provided to you by the person who has died.
Reimbursement for loss of consortium, meaning a spouse's right to the companionship, help and affection from the person who has died.
Reimbursement for any punitive damages if the negligence was found to be criminal.
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Is there precedent set in other sports?
Does the athlete have to sign a waiver with the nutritionist?
I don't think any action would come of it, even if it was actionable, as the guy was a veteran of the game and knew what he was doing. Scary to think that any guy who gives advice could find himself losing his house. Interesting though.
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Is there precedent set in other sports?
Does the athlete have to sign a waiver with the nutritionist?
I don't think any action would come of it, even if it was actionable, as the guy was a veteran of the game and knew what he was doing. Scary to think that any guy who gives advice could find himself losing his house. Interesting though.
I believe there is a really good case here given the articles Dave Palumbo has written, his past history, and the fact that he HAS advised countless people.
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I believe there is a really good case here given the articles Dave Palumbo has written, his past history, and the fact that he HAS advised countless people.
There would be phone records,computer records witnesses. Would not be that difficult to prove.
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Conditions for Filing Wrongful Death Claim
The death must have been caused, in whole or in part, by the defendant's conduct, even though there was no direct intention to kill the victim. The defendant must have been deemed negligent or strictly liable for the victim's death. Also the deceased has dependent party such as family members who have suffered from emotional and monetary damages as a result of the death. [1]
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I believe there is a really good case here given the articles Dave Palumbo has written, his past history, and the fact that he HAS advised countless people.
What rotten thing to post. Just like your post about Johnny Stwart's criminal record.. You are truly a piece of shit !!
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Thought you meant other bodybuilding related incidents but none the less they do exist. The thing is people are assuming that Dave was training him and assuming that he told him to take diuretics. I have trained people before and have found out later that they took an overdose of diuretics thinking that this would be better and didn't tell me. I had one guy's girlfriend tell me later or else I would have never known. I can tell you this, Dave DOES NOT recommend high doses of anything!!
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What rotten thing to post. Just like your post about Johnny Stwart's criminal record.. You are truly a piece of shit !!
How is this rotten when it is the truth?
Are you in denial?
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Dave's a intelligent guy. He's spoken and written on the subject of diuretics many times before. He knows that magic don't happen in BB and mostly tells competitors to stay away from them because they flatten you out. He is NOT one of these guys that does extreme things the day or two leading up to a show....Even with diet stratagies.....basically Dave's thinking is be in shape before the show and you don't need to do anything ridiculous to win.
Really is a shame and too bad for Anthony's family. Bless them. He was a grown man and seasoned competitor that has done this many many times throughout his BB carreer. Unfortanately the excessive lifestyle is not a healthy one.
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Didn't the guy have an established heart condition?
Not too smart to still be juicing and competing if so but hey it was his life to live the way he wanted to afterall...
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Didn't the guy have an established heart condition?
Not too smart to still be juicing and competing if so but hey it was his life to live the way he wanted to afterall...
That makes the case even worse, the fact that the established heart condition was known by Palumbo, and yet he may have further advised him....
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That makes the case even worse, the fact that the established heart condition was known by Palumbo, and yet he may have further advised him....
exactly
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DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit
RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!
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DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit
RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!
a post worthy of mayhem
p.s nice to see you got ripped big A.
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DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit
RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!
He may not want to read this, but it is an issue.
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your name should be True Asshole do you do anything else in your life apart from putting people down
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your name should be True Asshole do you do anything else in your life apart from putting people down
I am not putting anyone down. I am simply stating a valid issue.
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DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit
RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!
bump :'(
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i honwatly think this shoul be removed
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Dave is not at fault at all.
People seek advise for this sport to take it to the extreme. It's very well known that once people get down to competition they sneek in more drugs, even more so when it comes down to diuretics. If anything Dave knew about his heart condition and gave him advice on how to try to work around it maybe, that is to say if Dave even helped him. No one can be faulted when ot comes to bodybuilding this sport is dangerous, you cantsee what is happening inside your body and all the millions of billions of chemical reactions taking place. Dave is a good guy had a few bad breaks, and it sucks!!!,that this happend to a friend of his
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autopsy said cardiomyopathy. chronic disease not an acute drug reaction...
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I don't see Palumbo at fault legally. He did not hold himself out to be a doctor, or any type of medical professional. He's an experienced b/b with a drug history. Sort of like taking advice from a cocaine addict as to what and how much to take. It's not like being under the guidance of a licensed doctor or nurse.
I'd love to see a steriod manufacturer sued on the basis that they manufacture this crap way in excess of what is necessary for physicians' needs in hospitals, etc.
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I have seen other cases in which a drug was given,administered or suggested to take by an individual and then when the indivudal dies, the other is held responsible.
Since Dave Palumbo was reportedly advising Anthony D` Arezzo, could he be in fact held liable or responsible for his death, either in a civil suit (Wrongful death,Negligence) or even a criminal case (2nd or 3rd degree murder,Criminal Negligence,involuntary manslaughter)?
I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.
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was palumbo helping this dude though?
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R.I.P.
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I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.
I think she actually administered the dose that killed Belushi, and the dose was the proximate cause of Belushi's death.
Is Palumbo held to know Anthony's medical history, and that steroids would kill him (so soon)?
I don't find Palumbo innocent by any means. I just think that if we consider Anthony to be a mature adult, he had to know what he was doing was potentially lethal, and those who saw his bloated tissues had to know it as well. It's a little late to assess guilt - the horses have left the barn, so to speak.
Are drug pushers liable for the harm they cause to their "clients?"
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that MIT case should be thrown out
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As Mike said, Anthony was a very seasoned bb. His knowledge on workouts, diets and nutrition were truly amazing. He trained numerous Boston Bruins and worked closely with Scott Steiner and several other celebs. He was an amazing guy who was hardcore when it came to BB and helping others. Whether to get them in shape, old or young, skinny or fat or just training others to compete. He could be a cocky mutha at times but he certainly knew his shit. As for Dave, he and Anthony were close friends and as Mike A stated early. I dont think there was anything Dave knows Anthony didn't know as well so to blame Dave seems wrong. I don't know Dave at all but I do know Anthony and as I said. He knew his shit, and knew what he was doing. Rumbling up here in RI was that he had a major rage earlier in the day which may have sent the heart over the edge. The Big Man died doing what he loved to do and probably went out the way he wanted to, in the shape he wanted to. From his weighin pics from Dave's site, seemed like he was dialed in and easily could have placed 1 or 2.
RIP to the self proclaimed "Biggest and Strongest Man in Rhode Island"
Ant, you'll be missed around the gym and around town. Prayers and thoughts go out to the entire D'Arezzo family and to his friends-Psycho and the others who were with him at the end
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Why bring this up? Are you trying to get the man in trouble?
I find things like this to be in very poor form.
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I too think it all goes back to Anthony....He was gonna do whatever he wanted too with or without anyones help.
I'm sure like most of us or at least me that when he decided he was going too do something get the f*** outta the way.
Nothing was gonna stop him from this comeback in his mind.Sadly something did.
And those 2 guys fom MIT....I knew them well....I worked there...Use to have beers with these 2 guys.
Never in a million years did I think they would be into the n2o2.
Being electricians they would come and go through the building with supplies all the time.
At lunchtime they walked out with a cylinder of nitrous and went to one of their vans.
The thing I'll never understand is why they bagged their heads....it was the plastic that killed them.
Lost conciousness but couldn't breath.....found them a few hours later....never forget it.
RIP
http://www.anthonydarezzo.com/images/misc/pages/a_pose.htm
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240 wrote: Intriguing.
My guess is that there won't be enough evidence for anything. but it does lead to a bigger concept - Are, and should, nutritionists held responsible for the extremes their athletes go to? Obvously it's the athlete who chooses to dehydrate to the point where it becomes dangerous. It's not like he's working at the library and somebody slipped a diuretic in his morning coffee.
Very interesting question though, TA.
I say, drug advisors are not NUTRITIONISTS, nutrititions advise strictly on diet, dietary supplementa s and what not, not how to use drugs. Let's be clear, anyone advising some suppossed athlte on how to "rip up" for a show using speed, thyroid hormones, winny and what not is a drug advisor (with or without an education or medical background). Therefore, both parties (as they are adults) who take and use one on one advice of a "druggist" are responsible. However, unless you have an explicit paper trail, no crime can be traced...
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Adonis, mabey there would be a case if the guy who unfortunatly passed was a novice, doing things for the first time. Anthony was a seasoned veteran who earned a living helping people train and with there contest prep. Anthony suing Dave would be the same as a professional skiier suing a ski resort because there intructors didnt teach him to ski properly.
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Aren't "drug advisors" also called "doctors." I mean, who else is supposed to advise you on taking a drug? You're supposed to get a prescription, and that also should come from a doctor.
Do coke and heroin users also have "advisors?"
I don't know where we go with this concept of "drug advisor." Perhaps simply advising the use of illegal drugs is the crime, regardless of the death.
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I remember when i first met Anthony well over 10 -15 years ago
at the "NEW ENGLAND BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIPS"
i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
i saw him every year after that at the same show
and eventually we got friendly (i was however over 300 lbs at the time)
Anthony was a powerlifter as well,just a big freaky mass monster
sad that he passed so soon................he was an inspiration and motivation to me
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Anthony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
he sounds like a good ambassador of the sport.
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True Adonis, interesting point. I dont think anything can legally implicate Dave, even if he was his "coach" or not, whatever it may be I dont know, like Mike A said, he didnt need Daves guidance...but who knows..
If he did guide him along at all, man, I would feel so bad If it was me.
Makes me not even think about gear, no matter how cool it is to be huge.... :-\ JUST NOT WORTH IT!
If you dont have the genes to look like a Ronnie, Levronie, Dexter, Cutler, (you get my point) why abuse your health, no matter how happy it makes you! Do it clean..we all can experiment, but you gotta know when to walk away.
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Let's ignore all the facts of who is involved in this case.
When the same thing happened with a certain C**D N****LS - when a great number of HIS clients had renal failure all of a sudden - there was no accountability. His reputation took a hit, but nobody sued anyone and nobody went to jail.
Who knows if holding nutritionists accountable for their clients' actions would lead to less extremes, or more irresponsible behavior from the uneducated clients? My guess is that the nutritionists probably keep more ppl healthy than they hurt, but it's just speculation.
If a certain CN *had* been sued or jailed for giving advice resulting in kidney failure... perhaps this case might have ended differently. Perhaps *whoever* trained Ant might have told him to back off a bit. Who knows.
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I think the chich who administered John Belushi's fatal highball got charged with some sort of crime for it.
RobertDeniro and Robin Williamsalmost got in trouble also they had to later go in front of a grand jury
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i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
i saw him every year after that at the same show
and eventually we got friendly (i was however over 300 lbs at the time)
Did he carry a scale with him to more accurately assess who he would or would not acknowledge?
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Anthony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
Wow, sounds like a real nice guy.
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i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
(i was however over 300 lbs at the time)
Could you be a podgy, or did you have to be a lean 300 with abs?
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Could you be a podgy, or did you have to be a lean 300 with abs?
Good question. I'd like to know also.
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DAVE and ANTHONY were best friends.................
if you knew Anthony...you knew he didn't need Dave's advice on Bodybuilding
Nutrition,supplements,Drugs etc,Anthony has been around and competing for many many years
(he helps others get ready for shows as well)
Anthony was going to do what Anthony wanted to do regardless of what anyone said...
Dave is deeply mourning the loss of his best friend.............you really think he want's to read this shit
RIP Anthony..............you were a great guy!
thanks mike, i was gonna say the same thing, anthony was just as good as dave an didnt need help, they were great friends, as me an anthony were and he helped me alot. This boards a fucking joke, ron should be ashamed of himself letting shit like this be put up.
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NO! You roll the dice and take your chances. The last time I checked Palumbo was NOT an M.D
He or no one else can be held responsible for the death of someone who chooses to use anabolics and other drugs. Dems da breaks :-\
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thanks mike, i was gonna say the same thing, anthony was just as good as dave an didnt need help, they were great friends, as me an anthony were and he helped me alot. This boards a fucking joke, ron should be ashamed of himself letting shit like this be put up.
Don`t come here if you don`t like it. We are having a discussion here.
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I remember when i first met Anthony well over 10 -15 years ago
at the "NEW ENGLAND BODYBUILDING CHAMPIONSHIPS"
i was introduced to him by a friend who was competing.............An thony was less than friendly towards me at first,....my friend said " unless you weigh 300 lbs Anthony won't even acknowledge you"
i saw him every year after that at the same show
and eventually we got friendly (i was however over 300 lbs at the time)
Anthony was a powerlifter as well,just a big freaky mass monster
What a fcuking idit.
YIP
Zack
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it's like telling somebody, hey, here's a loaded .45 go ahead and pull the trigger. the dude is responsible for his own death
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I'd love to see a steriod manufacturer sued on the basis that they manufacture this crap way in excess of what is necessary for physicians' needs in hospitals, etc.
What I don't get is, if certain drugs are "controlled substances", why doesn't the Fed check to see that the amount being produced closely matches the amount being prescribed?
As to his death, my opinion is we are all responsible for our own choices. It gets a bit gray when we're talking about addictive drugs, but I don't think psychological addiction cuts it here.
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Could you be a podgy, or did you have to be a lean 300 with abs?
I'm assuming that he didn't demand that you have abs before he acknowledged you because I don't think Arvilla was ever 300 lbs with abs (but I could be wrong.)
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I'm assuming that he didn't demand that you have abs before he acknowledged you because I don't think Arvilla was ever 300 lbs with abs (but I could be wrong.)
anthony was a shy a guy, had nothing to do with how you looked. I have never been 300 pounds and he was very nice and we became great friends quickly.
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anthony was a shy a guy, had nothing to do with how you looked. I have never been 300 pounds and he was very nice and we became great friends quickly.
were you wearing clothes that made you look big?
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were you wearing clothes that made you look big?
no but then again at 5'9 260 and actually in some sort of shape i did dwarf arvillas 15" arms
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no but then again at 5'9 260 and actually in some sort of shape i did dwarf arvillas 15" arms
how can you dwarf someone 6'2" when you're 5'9", hahahaha, midget.
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thanks mike, i was gonna say the same thing, anthony was just as good as dave an didnt need help, they were great friends, as me an anthony were and he helped me alot. This boards a fucking joke, ron should be ashamed of himself letting shit like this be put up.
If you were such a good friend of Anthony's why didnt you try harder to get him to stop living the lifestyle he was living, especially considering that he had a heart condition.
You are really good friend arent you ? ::)
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I don't know if it is relevant, but did Anthony specifically make payments to Palumbo for advising him? That is, did Palumbo bill Anthony for advising him on some basis (so much a month, or so much an hour), and was the advice written out? Does Palumbo use letterhead to correspond and invoice in which he represents himself to be an "expert?"
At some point, Palumbo might perhaps have some responsibility for practicing medicine without a license, if pharmaceuticals are involved in his written instructions.
If it's strictly friendly advice, then I don't see any basis for a liability claim.
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how can you dwarf someone 6'2" when you're 5'9", hahahaha, midget.
ethug...
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ethug...
ok "toolarge4u", go inject yourself some more, maybe you'll get past the 15 place in the local New Jersey NPC local event status, drug using f.aggot.
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If you were such a good friend of Anthony's why didnt you try harder to get him to stop living the lifestyle he was living, especially considering that he had a heart condition.
You are really good friend arent you ? ::)
you're a fucking idiot, he made his own choices. He knew the dangers and people did tell him it wasnt worth it but it was his life and he died on his terms.
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ok "toolarge4u", go inject yourself some more, maybe you'll get past the 15 place in the local New Jersey NPC local event status, drug using f.aggot.
your mother should have swallowed you, dumb whore didnt know better. Die in a fire please.
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your mother should have swallowed you, dumb whore didnt know better. Die in a fire please.
m.eltdown, hahahaha, go back to carrying Mo Elbowmacaroni's gym bag.
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m.eltdown, hahahaha, go back to carrying Moslem Elbowmacaroni's gym bag.
will do
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you're a fucking idiot, he made his own choices. He knew the dangers and people did tell him it wasnt worth it but it was his life and he died on his terms.
You just sitting back watching your supposed friend with a heart condition inject himself with astronomical amounts of steroids GH ect, and doing nothing to stop him is pretty effin low on your part.
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will do
hahahah Moslem is finished.
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Where is Mister Pectear ?
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Thought you meant other bodybuilding related incidents but none the less they do exist. The thing is people are assuming that Dave was training him and assuming that he told him to take diuretics. I have trained people before and have found out later that they took an overdose of diuretics thinking that this would be better and didn't tell me. I had one guy's girlfriend tell me later or else I would have never known. I can tell you this, Dave DOES NOT recommend high doses of anything!!
Thank You!!!
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I hate when someone "passes" people try to put them up on a pedestal.......
i used that story about how i met Anthony because it was true (and funny )
and no i did not have abs at 312 lbs lol,Anthony was a big freaky bb/powerlifter
and yes he was a little bit cocky,he was also a great guy who helped many many people over the years
him and Dave were always in tank-tops so one could say they liked to show off a bit
Dave and Anthony were equals in knowledge and just about everything else.....
Anthony advised himself...period
he was a grown man,he knew the risks involved and he took them!
let Ant rest in peace please................
now me and my "15 " arms" are done ..............
RIP Anthony................. .....
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I hate when someone "passes" people try to put them up on a pedestal.......
i used that story about how i met Anthony because it was true (and funny )
and no i did not have abs at 312 lbs lol,Anthony was a big freaky bb/powerlifter
and yes he was a little bit cocky,he was also a great guy who helped many many people over the years
him and Dave were always in tank-tops so one could say they liked to show off a bit
Dave and Anthony were equals in knowledge and just about everything else.....
Anthony advised himself...period
he was a grown man,he knew the risks involved and he took them!
let Ant rest in peace please................
now me and my "15 " arms" are done ..............
RIP Anthony................. .....
I wasnt serious mike your arms are at least 17";) You knew anthony and the type of person he was, he was quite and didnt smile alot but he was a good guy and had his moments. I like how people say "how could you let him take them" Umm hes a 44 year old man and he will do whatever the fuck he please. Then again this is getbig and everyone is natural and 320
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just speaking generally here....
Size elitism is perhaps one of the most ironic things out there.
The fact that anyone who is 300 and 20% BF will snob others is hilarious. The health risks and daily bodily *issues* that come with being that big, and they will ignore someone who is 200 and healthy lol...
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I wasnt serious mike your arms are at least 17";) You knew anthony and the type of person he was, he was quite and didnt smile alot but he was a good guy and had his moments. I like how people say "how could you let him take them" Umm hes a 44 year old man and he will do whatever the f**k he please. Then again this is getbig and everyone is natural and 320
17 and a 1/2 bro!.................it just sucks,Anthony was a staple for/at new england bodybuilding shows
i looked up to him when i first saw his picture at "Flex Appeal" @ burlington mass many many years ago hanging behind the counter,
then to see him at shows,he was just huge(one year he tore his tricep and he was sitting behind a sponsors table and his whole arm was purple/black and blue)
him and Dave came to an afterhours club i worked at......
now i hear he has died..............too soon/too young
def a shock
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he sounds like a good ambassador of the sport.
In a small state like RI, everyone knows everyone sooner or later. Especially gym rats. It's like a fraternity, but because of allot of rats, one must be very careful who he trusts. The guy you thought was your best friend could also be a narc and in a small state it isn't very hart to find sources. There are only about 10 hardcore gyms in the state and Anthony was at them all one time or another, as most real lifters are. I knew a kid 25 who was in the group who died in his sleep just a year ago. 6 years ago the kid was lucky to incline 135. Last time I saw him. He was competing in the NPC RI, gone for about 5 years because of poor attendance, He got sick the night before the show and spent the night on iv's because of dehydration. Last time I saw him lifting He was inclining 4 plates per side on the smith. The gyms were quiet this weekend with the question, How could someone who knew so much about body enhancement die. Duh....We're playing with fire, blackmarket fire at that and no ones immune. RIP Big man.
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Ant, never smile is right but if he saw you in the gym busting your ass or asked informative questions he would always take a minute and answer them. May have been a sarcastic answer first but he would always smirk and then tell you the right answer. He had a good clientele who trained with him for years, old and young, men or women. He was very intimidating especially standing next to him but was a great dude. He will certainly be missed around New England. I still am in complete shock and can't imagine what his family is going through. Big void left by his passing. An earlier posted stated he seemed like a good ambassador to the sport. That was right on. He loved this sport. Ate,slept, and now passed on in this sport. and the what if will always remain. He seemed to so want to get his Pro card back and may just have won this past weekend's show if......RIP Big Man.......
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TA, i was just in the porcelin room doing some thinking, and it popped into my head that the lack of a paper trail is what probably protects most gear gurus from being held accountable.
Doctors fill out a presciption which is likely Exhibit B in a trial (exhibit A being the deceased). Gurus hand out a pill and some words. Most likely, the family of the deceased doesn't even know what transpired between the two of them, and the guru sure isn't going to do any talking after the fact if anything shady did go on.
As long as athletes agree to work in an environment where everything is UG or hushed, i think there will continue to be this lack of accountability.
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wow ! i didnt realize anthony had passed. i met him back in 98 when i was living in ny. he was with craig licker at the time doing an appearance. anthony was very humble and willing to talk about anything. craig on the other hand....well i will just leave that alone..R.I.P Anthony
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I wasnt serious mike your arms are at least 17";) You knew anthony and the type of person he was, he was quite and didnt smile alot but he was a good guy and had his moments. I like how people say "how could you let him take them" Umm hes a 44 year old man and he will do whatever the f**k he please. Then again this is getbig and everyone is natural and 320
No that would be your home at GAY-HEM and your boyfriend Dante`, Intensemuslce.com
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TA, i was just in the porcelin room doing some thinking, and it popped into my head that the lack of a paper trail is what probably protects most gear gurus from being held accountable.
Doctors fill out a presciption which is likely Exhibit B in a trial (exhibit A being the deceased). Gurus hand out a pill and some words. Most likely, the family of the deceased doesn't even know what transpired between the two of them, and the guru sure isn't going to do any talking after the fact if anything shady did go on.
As long as athletes agree to work in an environment where everything is UG or hushed, i think there will continue to be this lack of accountability.
There probably doesn`t need to be a paper trail though. However, Cell phone records and computer records and witnesses are probably abundant in this case. Bodybuilders run in a tight network and if someone was to do some investigating, someone could probably be held accountable.
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wow ! i didnt realize anthony had passed. i met him back in 98 when i was living in ny. he was with craig licker at the time doing an appearance. anthony was very humble and willing to talk about anything. craig on the other hand....well i will just leave that alone..R.I.P Anthony
do tell.................... ..i always found craig very friendly and outgoing
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craig (another boston boy)
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I don't get it.
He's got a heart condition.
And STILL juices?
WTF?
If this is a proper description of the situation, I don't see why people are focusing in on a bodybuilder.
He was obviously either a fcuking idit, or a guy who was psychologically addicted to AAS. A very tragic destiny.
So why celebrate his bodybuilding antics?
NEWSFLASH:
It's whats got him killed. K-I-L-L-E-D.
YIP
Zack
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Nobody forced him to take anything. Americans should take more responsibility for their own actions.
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craig (another boston boy)
Didn't Licker also have a heart problem?
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Didn't Licker also have a heart problem?
yes...............
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yes...............
I get it, I get it
it's the epidemic levels of advil usage in pro bb ;D
He was an asshole? (Licker)
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well Mike A , craig just a little high maintaince for the few days i was around him. the gym owners went out of there way to take him out "clubbing" etc....and this cat was so uptight and prissy it was unreal. we were all supprised considering he was from mass, as you know typical upper east coast people arent like that. he just wasnt real personable even out away from the gym, not that he "has" to but when you are paying a pro to guest appear i guess you expect a little more.
i also think at the time craig was going through some personal stuff, dont really remember exactly...i cant really say anything good so ill just leave it alone....
where as anthony was real chill and talked about anything...just night and day.
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I have seen other cases in which a drug was given,administered or suggested to take by an individual and then when the indivudal dies, the other is held responsible.
Since Dave Palumbo was reportedly advising Anthony D` Arezzo, could he be in fact held liable or responsible for his death, either in a civil suit (Wrongful death,Negligence) or even a criminal case (2nd or 3rd degree murder,Criminal Negligence,involuntary manslaughter)?
"Buyer Beware".
No he is not responsible. If you told someone to jump off the brooklin bridge and they died it would no be your fault. He was a big boy and he made his own decisions.
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"Buyer Beware".
Tell that to the woman who was awarded 3 million dollars over a cup of hot coffee from McDonald's in the mid 1990s.
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Tell that to the woman who was awarded 3 million dollars over a cup of hot coffee from McDonald's in the mid 1990s.
Thats cause the law in the states is ridiculous. In Canada they would have told her to shove that coffee up her ass and laughed her out of the court room.
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Tell that to the woman who was awarded 3 million dollars over a cup of hot coffee from McDonald's in the mid 1990s.
Actually that case was warranted.
There is a lot of hype about the McDonalds' scalding coffee case. No
one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is
important to understand some points that were not reported in most of
the stories about the case. McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was
scalding -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh
and muscle. Here's the whole story.
Stella Liebeck of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was in the passenger seat of
her grandson's car when she was severely burned by McDonalds' coffee in
February 1992. Liebeck, 79 at the time, ordered coffee that was served
in a styrofoam cup at the drivethrough window of a local McDonalds.
After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward and
stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her
coffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, often
charge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was in
motion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placed
the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from
the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled
into her lap.
The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next
to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full
thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body,
including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin
areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she
underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement
treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds
refused.
During discovery, McDonalds produced documents showing more than 700
claims by people burned by its coffee between 1982 and 1992. Some claims
involved third-degree burns substantially similar to Liebecks. This
history documented McDonalds' knowledge about the extent and nature of
this hazard.
McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants
advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to
maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the
safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell
coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is
generally 135 to 140 degrees.
Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat. The quality assurance manager admitted that burns
would occur, but testified that McDonalds had no intention of reducing
the "holding temperature" of its coffee.
Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin
burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full
thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony
showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent
of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus,
if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would
have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn.
McDonalds asserted that customers buy coffee on their way to work or
home, intending to consume it there. However, the companys own research
showed that customers intend to consume the coffee immediately while
driving.
McDonalds also argued that consumers know coffee is hot and that its
customers want it that way. The company admitted its customers were
unaware that they could suffer thirddegree burns from the coffee and
that a statement on the side of the cup was not a "warning" but a
"reminder" since the location of the writing would not warn customers of
the hazard.
The jury awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages. This amount
was reduced to $160,000 because the jury found Liebeck 20 percent at
fault in the spill. The jury also awarded Liebeck $2.7 million in
punitive damages, which equals about two days of McDonalds' coffee
sales.
Post-verdict investigation found that the temperature of coffee at the
local Albuquerque McDonalds had dropped to 158 degrees fahrenheit.
The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000 --
or three times compensatory damages -- even though the judge called
McDonalds' conduct reckless, callous and willful.
No one will ever know the final ending to this case.
The parties eventually entered into a secret settlement which has never
been revealed to the public, despite the fact that this was a public
case, litigated in public and subjected to extensive media reporting.
Such secret settlements, after public trials, should not be condoned.
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I don't get it.
He's got a heart condition.
And STILL juices?
WTF?
If this is a proper description of the situation, I don't see why people are focusing in on a bodybuilder.
He was obviously either a fcuking idit, or a guy who was psychologically addicted to AAS. A very tragic destiny.
So why celebrate his bodybuilding antics?
NEWSFLASH:
It's whats got him killed. K-I-L-L-E-D.
YIP
Zack
Exactly. Nobody questions the stupidity involved. They just say things like, "he was doing what he loved" or "he died on his terms". ::)
NO one that enjoys life, that loves living.....would put themselves in such a situation.