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Title: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 09:18:40 AM
Most people get into lifting weights to gain some size, get stronger and to feel better about themselves and how they look. After they make some progress and start getting compliments they start thinking about doing competitions and after success with that they think about turning Pro. Obviously I simplified the process but the path is essentially accurate.

Do these people realize what being a full time bodybuilder entails? Unless you're blessed with a trust fund or a wealthy family that is willing to support you then making money usually comes down to a myriad of seedy and degrading activities such as selling drugs or doing gay for pay or doing homoerotic muscle worship modelling.

Do young bodybuilders realize they might just have to sell their souls in order to get that Pro card? And at what stage do they actually acquiesce and accept that they need to participate in activities that will forever affect their dignity?
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Bluto on August 03, 2006, 09:19:58 AM
stop the hating, it's a beautiful thing
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 09:21:34 AM
No hating, just curious as to when they realize they're going to have to stand in a room without clothes on while some rich old gay dude jerks off in the corner.

I'm also curious when they actually agree that this is an acceptable way to earn money.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: BayGBM on August 03, 2006, 09:21:47 AM
No hating, just curious as to when they realize they're going to have to stand in a room without clothes on while some rich old gay dude jerks off in the corner.

I'm also curious when they actually agree that this is an acceptable way to earn money.

lol  ;D

A)  Not everyone decides that’s aceptable to them, and they decline to do so.

B)  It’s easier to do it when you see/realize how many of your peers are doing it. 

C) If someone offered you 5-10K to pose for musclegallery.com would you?  ::)
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Bluto on August 03, 2006, 09:23:18 AM
No hating, just curious as to when they realize they're going to have to stand in a room without clothes on while some rich old gay dude jerks off in the corner.

I'm also curious when they actually agree that this is an acceptable way to earn money.

dont be jealous just because this opportunity isn't available to you
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 03, 2006, 09:24:28 AM
No hating, just curious as to when they realize they're going to have to stand in a room without clothes on while some rich old gay dude jerks off in the corner.

I'm also curious when they actually agree that this is an acceptable way to earn money.

brainX does this, and he has no aspirations of being a pro BB.  What does that make him?
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 09:24:39 AM
dont be jealous just because this opportunity isn't available to you


You're right, I never thought of it that way. I am jealous that a 58 year old gay dude hasn't asked me to be his bitch.

I feel so worthless.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Bluto on August 03, 2006, 09:25:26 AM
You're right, I never thought of it that way. I am jealous that a 58 year old gay dude hasn't asked me to be his bitch.

I feel so worthless.

yes. and you're missing out on $$$
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: bigmc on August 03, 2006, 10:08:53 AM
Have you tried advertising im sure someone somewhere will pay
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: HUGEPECS on August 03, 2006, 10:42:06 AM
brainX does this, and he has no aspirations of being a pro BB.  What does that make him?



didn't showstoppa failed at being a bodybuilder, and then he went back to his previous job. THE POLE SHAKER
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 03, 2006, 10:50:56 AM


didn't showstoppa failed at being a bodybuilder, and then he went back to his previous job. THE POLE SHAKER

Easy, bullfrog. I did shake my pole at your boo, you on the other hand still work as THE POLE SMOKER:  Coming to a truckstop gloryhole near you.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: timfogarty on August 03, 2006, 11:11:57 AM
as long as you see bodybuilding as a hobby and not a career, you'll be ok.  many people are able to work 40 hours a week at a regular job and still compete at the national level.   
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 11:16:56 AM
as long as you see bodybuilding as a hobby and not a career, you'll be ok.  many people are able to work 40 hours a week at a regular job and still compete at the national level.   

That's true, there are many poeple that look at bodybuilding as a serious hobby and excel in their chosen profession while still actively bodybuilding. I met a doctor that practiced at Brigham & Women's Hospital that was also a bodybuilder despite the incredible work load he carried at the hospital.

Depending on how driven the individual is it certainly can be done.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: HUGEPECS on August 03, 2006, 11:18:33 AM
as long as you see bodybuilding as a hobby and not a career, you'll be ok.  many people are able to work 40 hours a week at a regular job and still compete at the national level.   




in other words, dont ever quit your day job, never
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Blockhead on August 03, 2006, 11:19:11 AM
 Of course Bay gotta come in and 'gay it up'. At least Timmy-boy here didnt make the theme of this thread any more gay than it is...he posted a good post. Bay on the other hand  flocks to thread titles like this like the way flys flock to shit.

 Remember Bay...wether you believe it or not...accept it or not...laugh at me or mock me or not...you're going to pay for demonic possession that you alllow to control you.

 Timmy knows the truth...people who oppose this simply do because they dont WANT there to be a God who makes the rules. Nobody likes to be told what the consequences will be for their actions...
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: The Showstoppa on August 03, 2006, 11:34:08 AM



in other words, dont ever quit your day job, never

Or in your case, try your best to secure one.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 11:35:12 AM
lol  ;D

A)  Not everyone decides that’s aceptable to them, and they decline to do so.

B)  It’s easier to do it when you see/realize how many of your peers are doing it. 

C) If someone offered you 5-10K to pose for musclegallery.com would you?  ::)

A) Clearly this thread wasn't in response to bodybuilders that decline to participate in nefarious moneymaking activities.  ::)

B) Selling your soul is selling your soul, it doesn't matter how many people are doing it, especially considering how repugnant the whole gay for pay thing is.

C) No, I wouldn't. If I'm going to sell my soul it's got to be for enough money that I don't have to ever worry about money again and $5,000 wouldn't do that. Perhaps that's difficult for you to understand considering the you put this  ::) after your question but it's the truth.

At least you didn't post one of your secretive Gay Mafia posts designed to make everyone think you're in the know and everyone else is an outsider even though the percentage of posters on this board that want to be an insider in the Gay Mafia is perhaps 2%.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Bluto on August 03, 2006, 11:39:28 AM
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C) No, I wouldn't. If I'm going to sell my soul it's got to be for enough money that I don't have to ever worry about money again and $5,000 wouldn't do that.

Interesting that you WOULD do it though.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: timfogarty on August 03, 2006, 11:43:19 AM
Timmy knows the truth...people who oppose this simply do because they dont WANT there to be a God who makes the rules.

ah, no
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: figgs on August 03, 2006, 11:43:56 AM
I wrote a pretty personal post about myself considering the profession in another thread, "The IFBB Rulebook-An Analysis".

No one responded though.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=86861.200



Imagine this now. A person dedicates himself to bodybuilding 100%. Trains with the intensity enough to fall an elephant, eats according to the clock and sets a bedtime. He loves bodybuilding. LOVES bodybuilding for whatever reason. It's what makes him happy.

Unfortunately, he dreams of becoming the best bodybuilder in the world. He's been told that he was meant to achieve this sometime in his life. He knows that if he wanted he could actually become a professional bodybuilder.

He has a difficult decision to make. That is to take an illegal drug to enter a legal industry. He knows he HAS to take steroids to compete with the pros! Know why? Because EVERY OTHER PRO HE MIGHT EVER COMPETE WITH ALSO TAKES STEROIDS. OK, everyone reading this knows that already but that fact is far more significant than it's perceived by the public (because bodybuilding remains unknown).

If he is intelligent, this person will accept bodybuilding as nothing more than a lifestyle or hobby. As long as he has his options, pursuing a position on the pro ranks in bodybuilding will be something he will forever regret. Dedicating himself to what he loves to do will get him nothing in life because:
1.) He's risking his health/life
2.) He will make no money at all unless he chooses to up his doses of anabolic steroids (increasing the likelihood of reason #1).
3.) He might die living with regret over his career choice.

I'm glad to have the ability to accept all of this as a fact, as it remains to be for now, so that I'm sure to be able to explore more options to choose a respectable profession to dedicate my life to. What I'm saying is that deep in my heart I love bodybuilding and to not be able to put that part of my heart into this sport is something I have to will myself to do for my own good.

I'd like to share an excerpt from Bob Paris' Gorilla Suit, one that changed the direction of my life and put me into better perspective as to what I should do with it.

"A vision-a fantastical, imaginary movie clip-has continually run through my mind during the last year. I am climbing, climbing, climbing all alone, to the top of this enormous mountain. I fall sometimes-a lot, actually; hurt myself; get up; climb some more; fall down again. It seems as if I've been climbing this mountain forever. After a while, when I'm close enough to the top to see it through breaks in the cloud cover, I pull out my map, to see where I am and discover that I've gone up the wrong mountain. Now, this mountain that I'm on is a high one-I can tell this from the map it's every bit as high as the one I thought I was climbing. It's just not the right one. The other mountain is the one that many dream of climbing because the hand of fate has lent it greater prestige. It is easy to get them confused; the way my map is drawn the two look a great deal alike. But it's still the wrong one. And I get mad at myself, and I cuss out the mountain, and I cuss out the mapmaker, and I cuss out all the rocks I've tripped over and the crevices I've fallen into on the way up. But in spite of all that cussing, I'm still on this mountain."

It's really quite depressing from this perspective.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: HUGEPECS on August 03, 2006, 11:53:50 AM
Or in your case, try your best to secure one.




I wonder why you quit Chip n' dale
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: BayGBM on August 03, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
B) Selling your soul is selling your soul, it doesn't matter how many people are doing it, especially considering how repugnant the whole gay for pay thing is.

C) No, I wouldn't. If I'm going to sell my soul it's got to be for enough money that I don't have to ever worry about money again and $5,000 wouldn't do that. Perhaps that's difficult for you to understand considering the you put this  ::) after your question but it's the truth.

Interesting that you WOULD do it though.

Owned!  By yourself no less.  :-[

Extract foot from mouth... lather... rinse.. repeat.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: anvil on August 03, 2006, 12:18:46 PM
BLUTOWNED

But we know what effin was saying, and it was a good post
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 03, 2006, 12:22:18 PM
Owned!  By yourself no less.  :-[

Extract foot from mouth... lather... rinse.. repeat.

Perhaps you need a refresher course in owning.

There isn't a human being on this board that wouldn't pose for whatever that thing you mentioned for $5,000,000.

Not one. That kind of money changes your life forever.

Shouldn't you be cooking up some Gay Mafia conspiracy that you think we all care about?

Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: onlyme on August 03, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
Whats so seedy.  You are contributing to the IFBB (like charity) so that the Weiders and Manion can live a better lifestyle.  You should feel good about that.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: bmacsys on August 03, 2006, 02:49:58 PM
lol  ;D

A)  Not everyone decides that’s aceptable to them, and they decline to do so.

B)  It’s easier to do it when you see/realize how many of your peers are doing it. 

C) If someone offered you 5-10K to pose for musclegallery.com would you?  ::)

Not if you have a shred of self respect you don't.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Victor VonDoom on August 03, 2006, 08:13:26 PM
B) Selling your soul is selling your soul, it doesn't matter how many people are doing it...

There isn't a human being on this board that wouldn't pose for whatever that thing you mentioned for $5,000,000. Not one. That kind of money changes your life forever.

First, you pretend to have principles by saying it doesn’t matter what other people would do... you would go your own way.

Then you point to your belief that “everyone would do it” to justify your own decision.

Doom is amused.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: nycbull on August 04, 2006, 01:49:34 PM
Perhaps you need a refresher course in owning.

There isn't a human being on this board that wouldn't pose for whatever that thing you mentioned for $5,000,000.

Not one. That kind of money changes your life forever.

Shouldn't you be cooking up some Gay Mafia conspiracy that you think we all care about?



lol good post dude, some of us are not interested in all this gay town cryer crap from some of the gay members on this board. They act like they are somehow in the know, and that you guys actually want to hear about homo sex. I apologies for all these lame ass gays. I hope you know that there are some decent gay guys that aren't always talking about gay sex in front of straight guys.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Rami on August 04, 2006, 04:56:44 PM
No hating, just curious as to when they realize they're going to have to stand in a room without clothes on while some rich old gay dude jerks off in the corner.

I'm also curious when they actually agree that this is an acceptable way to earn money.


And this seams to be the part of bodybuilding you are focusing on and are most obsessed/interesting in  ::)
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Woten on August 04, 2006, 04:59:18 PM
I'd shit on someone for five grand, pounds not dollars, I do have some standards

 :D
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 04, 2006, 05:10:01 PM
First, you pretend to have principles by saying it doesn’t matter what other people would do... you would go your own way.

Then you point to your belief that “everyone would do it” to justify your own decision.

Doom is amused.


I admit that it's contradictory but $5,000,000 changes everything.

I hate to break it to you but the $5,000,000 would justify my decision the fact that everyone would do it is helpful but not as much of a justification as the money.

I know Doom approves of $5,000,000.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: caseyviator on August 04, 2006, 05:14:41 PM
as long as you see bodybuilding as a hobby and not a career, you'll be ok.  many people are able to work 40 hours a week at a regular job and still compete at the national level.   

yea but that is no where close to a pro level its not even compareable imo
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Kegdrainer on August 04, 2006, 05:16:32 PM
the true bottom line is that to be really successful at ANYTHING in life you need to step on a lot of people, and do things that may be construed as morally or ethically wrong, even if they compromise your personal values. 

Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: G o a t b o y on August 04, 2006, 05:25:27 PM



in other words, dont ever quit your day job, never

Most of the ones that ones who sell drugs or their ass have never had a day job.  They get out of high school or drop out of college at 18 or 19, and turn pro in their 30's...  you do the math.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: BayGBM on August 04, 2006, 05:36:53 PM
I admit that it's contradictory but $5,000,000 changes everything.


Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: HRDCOR on August 04, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
Nothing wrong with bodybuilding , what other sport or sporting body allows such morally wrong , law breaking , drug taking , anti social behaviour from its athletes on a day to day basis with out any re percutions what so ever  ????????

None , thats who , bodybuilding is unique , you can do any thing in bodybuilding you want , try doing what bodybuilders do if you played pro soccer, rugby, tennis etc , you would be booted out as fast as you could draw 2 ml of Decca out of your vial !!

We are lucky to be bodybuilders , the world is our oyster !!! :D

Hell Titus could get done for murder , be out in 5 years ( hypothetically of course ) and still do the IFBB Pro Masters if he wanted !!! try that in another sport and see how you would get on !!!
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 04, 2006, 06:10:27 PM


Last I checked you asked if I'd pose for $5,000 not $5,000,000.

You realize there's a difference between those two numbers right?

Or are you too lost in the delusion that everyone wants to be part of the Gay Mafia to comprehend the $4,995,000 difference? 
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: timfogarty on August 04, 2006, 06:40:53 PM
yea but that is no where close to a pro level its not even compareable imo

there are a few hundred guys with IFBB pro cards, but how many make enough to live on from bodybuilding?  A dozen?

how many national level amateurs are there?  about 120 (men) enter the NPC Nationals.   how many outside the US?  maybe 200 enter the IFBB Worlds.

so, lets say 2% of all national level amateurs can turn pro, and 6% of all pros make enough money to live on, that means .12% of all national level amateurs can make a career out of being a pro bodybuilder.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Victor VonDoom on August 04, 2006, 06:48:53 PM
I know Doom approves of $5,000,000.

Bah!  Doom is not motiavted by money.


At least you didn't post one of your secretive Gay Mafia posts designed to make everyone think you're in the know and everyone else is an outsider even though the percentage of posters on this board that want to be an insider in the Gay Mafia is perhaps 2%.

Shouldn't you be cooking up some Gay Mafia conspiracy that you think we all care about?

Or are you too lost in the delusion that everyone wants to be part of the Gay Mafia to comprehend the $4,995,000 difference? 

Without prompting of any kind you have thrice brought up this idea of a Gay Mafia.  Why are you fixated on this?  Are you feeling left out?  Did Bay kick you out of the mafia?

Survey says....? 

Doom is amused.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: dr.chimps on August 04, 2006, 06:49:23 PM
Last I checked you asked if I'd pose for $5,000 not $5,000,000.

You realize there's a difference between those two numbers right?

Or are you too lost in the delusion that everyone wants to be part of the Gay Mafia to comprehend the $4,995,000 difference? 
Maybe they're just haggling at this point?  ;)
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: delta9mda on August 04, 2006, 06:55:21 PM
Of course Bay gotta come in and 'gay it up'. At least Timmy-boy here didnt make the theme of this thread any more gay than it is...he posted a good post. Bay on the other hand  flocks to thread titles like this like the way flys flock to shit.

 Remember Bay...wether you believe it or not...accept it or not...laugh at me or mock me or not...you're going to pay for demonic possession that you alllow to control you.

 Timmy knows the truth...people who oppose this simply do because they dont WANT there to be a God who makes the rules. Nobody likes to be told what the consequences will be for their actions...
im not gay and dont advocate it but i also dont think bay was gaying it up. he wrote great points.
if you see alot of people doing something, it is easier to do and accept.
not everyone accepts it or chooses to do it and you dont have to do "it" to get to the top.
some people will do anything for money and to some 5-10k is alot of money. ask adonis.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Ex Coelis on August 04, 2006, 06:57:01 PM
there are a few hundred guys with IFBB pro cards, but how many make enough to live on from bodybuilding?  A dozen?

how many national level amateurs are there?  about 120 (men) enter the NPC Nationals.   how many outside the US?  maybe 200 enter the IFBB Worlds.

so, lets say 2% of all national level amateurs can turn pro, and 6% of all pros make enough money to live on, that means .12% of all national level amateurs can make a career out of being a pro bodybuilder.

I like those odds  8)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/bo5ton/simpsonsoftheweek/Homr/65.gif)
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: ieffinhatecardio on August 04, 2006, 06:58:44 PM
Bah!  Doom is not motiavted by money.


Without prompting of any kind you have thrice brought up this idea of a Gay Mafia.  Why are you fixated on this?  Are you feeling left out?  Did Bay kick you out of the mafia?

Survey says....? 

Doom is amused.


Apparently Doom is motivated by lying because if you say $5,000,000 wouldn't motivate you then honesty isn't your strong suit.

As for the Gay Mafia thing it's what seperates Bay from everyone else, he mentions the Gay Mafia all the time. In essence it's his identification. The same way Bee Bollen is an identifier for Vince, shiny polyester shirts are for Chick, ILS for Lift and amusing signatures for Special Ed. Even you have your identifying tag line "Doom approves" or "Doom is amused".

In short I mention it because it's who he is.
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Matt C on August 04, 2006, 07:04:32 PM
Is Woten currently incarcerated?
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: gordiano on August 04, 2006, 07:12:15 PM
"Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?  "

I think many are aware of it. They just don't care. They figure it may be a stepping stone to something else. Sadly, they are mistaken. I guess if you've got NOTHING else going for you, you're not very smart, you're good at working out, and popping pills, why not?  ::)
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: BayGBM on August 04, 2006, 07:14:48 PM
im not gay and dont advocate it but i also dont think bay was gaying it up. he wrote great points.
if you see alot of people doing something, it is easier to do and accept.
not everyone accepts it or chooses to do it and you dont have to do "it" to get to the top.
some people will do anything for money and to some 5-10k is alot of money. ask adonis.

Thanks for that. I wasn’t gaying it up; I was making specific relevant points.  Unfortunately some people see gay overtones everywhere they look.

I’ll give you three guesses as to why that is.  ;D
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: Adam Empire on August 04, 2006, 07:18:24 PM
I like those odds  8)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/bo5ton/simpsonsoftheweek/Homr/65.gif)

I love that line   :D


Anyway, I'll add a story to this thread.  A few years back I lifted at the same gym as an NPC National Level Competitor (I'll keep his name out of the story here).  I saw and talked to him almost daily.  Anyway, one day we were talking about jobs as I had gotten a new one.  And he in all seriousness said,

"That's why I got to turn Pro, because that's where the money is."

I agreed to be nice, but realized that if this guy who has competed for a Pro Card is ignorant to this, tons must be.  Kind of sad really as he thought that the Pro card was his ticket out of his current sh!tty job...
Title: Re: Do aspiring bodybuilders know about the seedier side of the business?
Post by: AlliedPowers on August 04, 2006, 07:29:13 PM
Perhaps you need a refresher course in owning.

There isn't a human being on this board that wouldn't pose for whatever that thing you mentioned for $5,000,000.

Not one. That kind of money changes your life forever.

Shouldn't you be cooking up some Gay Mafia conspiracy that you think we all care about?



gay mafia is the homob.