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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Armageddon on August 16, 2006, 06:58:57 AM
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In the new muscle time ad they say his record was 804lbs and in their web site they say 825lbs. I still think it is still all bullshit and he aint even close to Ronnie’s strength
http://www.muscletech.com/PROFILES/JOHNNIE_JACKSON/Johnnie_Jackson.shtml
http://www.muscleweb.com/johnnie/
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for what i know its 804. There are pictures of it i saw many times...I think he did try to do 825 but it didnt passed as a 'ok' lift. So he 'just' got the 804 as a official lift
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on muscletech they say that his squat is 825lb , I don't see anything about his deadlift record
Squat (1 rep max.): 825 lbs.
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While shooting a video he doesn’t go over 500 but when talking he says I did once upon a time
Ronnie proves his strength on video as evidence
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While shooting a video he doesn’t go over 500 but when talking he says I did once upon a time
Ronnie proves his strength on video as evidence
gotta agree here.. i keep hearing how strong johnnie....is .. and that he is stronger than coleman.. but i have yet to see any evidence of this....
johnnnie as i have heard is strong on pull movements.. ronnie is strong on both push and pull..
i think even cormier in his heyday is stronger that johnnie particularly on push movements.... same with levrone
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Ok, let me clarify this matter. I personally witnesed Johnny pull over 800 lbs. He did it at the Rise of the Dead meet which was held in conjunction with an IFBB show in Florida a couple of years ago.
The difference between what Johnny did and what Ronnie does in his video is Johnny did it with no straps. Frankly, I think Ronnie could build his grip up rather easily and both men are very close in deadlifting strength.
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No strapp!! Wow :o
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no strap !!!!!
any pic or vid
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yup, straps and gloves are not allowed in power lifting meets...chalk is it.
i'd really like to see ronnie and jonnie compete in a full squat/bench/deadlift meet against each other...all RAW lift attempts.
8)
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Johnny called Ronnie out a while back and got no reply (or was it the other way around? lol)
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
Makes a world of difference.
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
Yea, I think that's just you.
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
They help but If im going for a max I agree, bending over and straping in can be frustrating.
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
dumbass.
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
Agree 100% just get over the bar and pull it 8)
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jonnie has competed in the WPO and has deadlifted over 800, squatted close to 800, and had a 540 or 570 bench. that was his best total a few weeks before he won his pro card.
not bad for a bber dieting down.
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dumbass.
hahha the reason is because he walks up to do his 1 rep max at 135
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fuck this michael jackson guy he looks like a typical short lemonade head.. now here is something spectacular (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/P1010004.jpg)
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f**k this michael jackson guy he looks like a typical short lemonade head.. now here is something spectacular (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/honigga/P1010004.jpg)
you tell em daddy.
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Ok, let me clarify this matter. I personally witnesed Johnny pull over 800 lbs. He did it at the Rise of the Dead meet which was held in conjunction with an IFBB show in Florida a couple of years ago.
The difference between what Johnny did and what Ronnie does in his video is Johnny did it with no straps. Frankly, I think Ronnie could build his grip up rather easily and both men are very close in deadlifting strength.
But Johnnie had a max deadlift suit. Not that that makes much of a difference in the deadlift, especially if you pull conventional which he does.
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Johnnie said his official total is 2170. Ronnie's is at best 2300, and whether that would pass in contest is up for debate.
Ronnie is NOT vastly ahead of Johnnie in terms of powerlifting. However, I think Ronnie's muscle endurance is leaps and bounds ahead of Johnnie's. I highly doubt Johnnie would be able to keep up with Ronnie, exercise after exercise, set after set.
i think i've read where jonnie said something along the lines about how he's not on coleman's level. something about how they were guest posing somewhere and the gym only had 150 db's and coleman was complaining. jonnie acted the same, but knew they were enough for him.
plus, he's smaller than ronnie.
how you figure ronnie would total 2300?
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hahha the reason is because he walks up to do his 1 rep max at 135
well, some agree, some don't. BTW it's 155 not 135... Messing around with straps for a 1 rep max just slows down the action. Definitely use them for reps
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Johnnie can hang close with Ronnie on deadlifts, but not on squats and DEFINETELY not on bench press.
Johnnie's 804 deadlift was performed in front of judges and passed all the necessary requirements. No straps, all raw (deadlift suit does not help much if any; nothing like a bench shirt or squat suit). He got the next attempt up, and would have been counted in the gym but not at a meet (probably due to hitching).
Ronnie did 800 for two with straps 5 weeks out from olympia. Form very questionable per powerlifting standards.
But really, who gives a shit when you look like Coleman?
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I actually agree about the straps. They don't really make much difference when doing max singles.
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I really don't think straps make much difference for singles. You lose focus and momentum wrapping the straps around the bar. It's much easier to walk up, bend over and pick the bar up in one action... maybe that's just me??
I agree 100%. I can get a good 10-20lbs. more without straps and using mixed grip. You can just "grip and rip". The mixed grip also changes the mechanics for the better IME, compared to overhand grip.
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Yep, that was in MD last year in a tribute to Ronnie section where pros spoke about Ronnie.
Ronnie started with 80s then went up to 100s and 120s and finally 150s. Johnnie kept up for a while but could only get the 150s for two reps. Ronnie did three sets of 20 reps with them and when Ronnie was reminded that the gym didn't go past the 150s after doing his high rep sets Ronnie said "Man, this gym sucks", and Johnnie said "Yeah man, definitely."
That story isn't exactly accurate, but it's pretty close. It goes to show Johnnie did not have Ronnie's endurance when it came to strength.
How is Ronnie's total 2300?
Deadlift = 850
Squat = 850
Bench = 600
These may not be exactly accurate, but they are probably close. Guaranteed Ronnie would get over 2000 in contest. Johnnie said he got 2170 in an official contest. I would say Ronnie is slightly over that, but not by more than 100 pounds or so at most.
ronnie would get over 2000 in a pl contest. however, jj competes as a 242 pounder, where as coleman would need to be 275 or SHW. 2000 for a SHW aint that good. but who knows what would have happened if ronnie trained for strength. i dont think he would have been an all time great (sorry hulkster) but def. would have put up some good numbers.
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Johnnie can hang close with Ronnie on deadlifts, but not on squats and DEFINETELY not on bench press.
Johnnie's 804 deadlift was performed in front of judges and passed all the necessary requirements. No straps, all raw (deadlift suit does not help much if any; nothing like a bench shirt or squat suit). He got the next attempt up, and would have been counted in the gym but not at a meet (probably due to hitching).
Ronnie did 800 for two with straps 5 weeks out from olympia. Form very questionable per powerlifting standards.
But really, who gives a shit when you look like Coleman?
his form? how was it questionable? he locked out both reps.
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Wraps, not straps.
YIP
Zack
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i think its fair to say that had ronnie become a powerlifter in his 20's, we would be seeing him squat and dead around 925 atleast and bench 600+
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i think its fair to say that had ronnie become a powerlifter in his 20's, we would be seeing him squat and dead around 925 atleast and bench 600+
You never know. The guy seems to have some serious issues with his grip.
And I'm sure he wouldn't pull 925 lbs. Perhaps with the circus barbell they use in the WPO (Oakie bar). But not with a regular barbell.
The squat however, I think he would be good for a 1000 lbs squat, in an untested federation.
YIP
Zack
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look at him struggle with that deadlift...
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btw.. thats 5 plates a side...
I'm NOT impressed
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btw.. thats 5 plates a side...
I'm NOT impressed
i agree...his form looks tight and he doesn't bounce the weights off the floor but i really thought he would rep 495 like nothing for his strength.
those BB rows are also very odd...maybe they work for him?
8)
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I saw his bend over rows and it is like he is shrugging
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look at him struggle with that deadlift...
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Much better...
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For those who think straps don't make a big difference you aren't pulling anywhere close to 800 lbs.
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They both are big, strong monsters with ridicolous traps.
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675 for 3 is a long way from 800.
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675 for 3 is a long way from 800.
Yes it is but on that vid he already did many sets of 5
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For those who think straps don't make a big difference you aren't pulling anywhere close to 800 lbs.
Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.
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Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.
do u compete.. it'd be cool to see a video... maybe u can post it on utube...
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Right on brutha! I'm pulling in the 7's, not too far off from the 800 mark, and can tell you all this guy is right on. Straps make all the difference in the world when you're pulling this heavy.
Ronnie uses a weightlifting barbell, chalk, gloves, and straps.
The point in using a weightlifting barbell is that it flexes a bit more and that it's 28 mm thick instead of 29 mm, ie easier to hold onto.
YIP
Zack
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You never know. The guy seems to have some serious issues with his grip.
And I'm sure he wouldn't pull 925 lbs. Perhaps with the circus barbell they use in the WPO (Oakie bar). But not with a regular barbell.
The squat however, I think he would be good for a 1000 lbs squat, in an untested federation.
YIP
Zack
If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.
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If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.
Oakie Dokie.
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Oakie Dokie.
Its amazing how much easier it is to deadlift with those things.
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If you look at that picture of Ronnie in the beginning of the thread you can see he's actually using an Oakie bar.
Me = PWNED... :-[
YIP
Zack
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Johnnie O's deadlifting strength is well documented. Hell, the pictures of his personal record have been published so many times its a wonder you havent run across them (their in this month's flex-mag too)
monster trust
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Johnnie_Jackson_2_ezr.jpg) (http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Johnnie_Jackson_ezr.jpg)
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Johnnie O's deadlifting strength is well documented. Hell, the pictures of his personal record have been published so many times its a wonder you havent run across them (their in this month's flex-mag too)
monster trust
(http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Johnnie_Jackson_2_ezr.jpg) (http://i.b5z.net/i/u/230085/i/Johnnie_Jackson_ezr.jpg)
he looks thick as a brick there....wonder how many 'drols he was poppin :o