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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: sarcasm on August 20, 2006, 08:03:08 AM
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in the gym on Friday there's two guys training biceps each about 150lbs at six feet plus and i hear one talking to the other one about his "post workout shake" and he says, "i drink 70 grams of whey protein, 5 grams of creatine and 10 grams of glutamine along with 100 grams of carbs, just like the pros" hahahahahaha, epic unnecessary nutrients and wastage.
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Hahahaha and I bet he'd consume all that in the '30 min post-workout window' ::) as well hahahahaha
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in the gym on Friday there's two guys training biceps each about 150lbs at six feet plus and i hear one talking to the other one about his "post workout shake" and he says, "i drink 70 grams of whey protein, 5 grams of creatine and 10 grams of glutamine along with 100 grams of carbs, just like the pros" hahahahahaha, epic unnecessary nutrients and wastage.
Man, what an "epic" story you came up with this time. ::)
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your stories are becoming very boring about you watching some 100 pounder teen boys lifting weights
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Hahahaha and I bet he'd consume all that in the '30 min post-workout window' ::) as well hahahahaha
hahaha, the funny thing is that they were doing curls with the pre set bars on the rack with 60lbs.
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your stories are becoming very boring about you watching some 100 pounder teen boys lifting weights
Boring? More like sick! :-X
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Hahahaha, glutamine is horseshit anyway.
Funny thing is that these tiny tits only rely on supplements for gains while they eat like shit.
These tiny tits will look exactly the same when you see them again 2 years later in the gym haha.
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your stories are becoming very boring about you watching some 100 pounder teen boys lifting weights
Yeah, why don't you entertain us with how you are going to do 10000000000000 reps of squats with 225 lbs and post a pic of your cock to go with it ::)
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in the gym on Friday there's two guys training biceps each about 150lbs at six feet plus and i hear one talking to the other one about his "post workout shake" and he says, "i drink 70 grams of whey protein, 5 grams of creatine and 10 grams of glutamine along with 100 grams of carbs, just like the pros" hahahahahaha, epic unnecessary nutrients and wastage.
LMFAO.
Great Noobiespotting.
Sounds like something Milos would cook up, no offence Milos.. 8)
Epic misconception of how protein and amino acids function.
On all levels.
Oh brother.
YIP
Zack
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Could one of you please detail for me what exactly is wrong with a post workout shake of 50g whey, 100g carbs from dextrose + glutamine + creatine? Please be specific... thanks.
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Could one of you please detail for me what exactly is wrong with a post workout shake of 50g whey, 100g carbs from dextrose + glutamine + creatine? Please be specific... thanks.
it's massive overfeeding when you're as skinny as these two nerds.
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Could one of you please detail for me what exactly is wrong with a post workout shake of 50g whey, 100g carbs from dextrose + glutamine + creatine? Please be specific... thanks.
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
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it's massive overfeeding when you're as skinny as these two nerds.
So are you saying that beasts like bmacsys should just have a slice of bread with peanut butter and call it a meal after 'deadlifting' a swiss ball in the gym, Sarcasm ?
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So are you saying that beasts like bmacsys should just have a slice of bread with peanut butter and call it a meal after 'deadlifting' a swiss ball in the gym, Sarcasm ?
that would be far too much protein for bmacys slender, thin build.
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HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
Thanks "Power Rod"....now I see how you accumulated close to 3,000 posts....
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that would be far too much protein for bmacys slender, thin build.
Hahahaha yes. Better he sticks with whatever 'liquid protien' he gets off his boyfriend after the guy makes him 'work' for it :-X
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it's massive overfeeding when you're as skinny as these two nerds.
ok, fair enough....how big do you need to be to effectively process a post workout shake like that?
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ok, fair enough....how big do you need to be to effectively process a post workout shake like that?
Check FLEX Magazine for exact specifications.
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ok, fair enough....how big do you need to be to effectively process a post workout shake like that?
Coleman or Cutler sized, honestly most guys drastically overestimate how much nutrients they need, you're only doing a pansy 10 set weightlifting workout, you're not doing a triathlon.
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Could one of you please detail for me what exactly is wrong with a post workout shake of 50g whey, 100g carbs from dextrose + glutamine + creatine? Please be specific... thanks.
The amount of protein is way too high.
If anything, the carbs could be slightly higher.
Look for a ratio of 3:1 carbs:protein, or even 4:1.
So 100 g's of dextrose and 60 g's of protein... no.
YIP
Zack
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Thanks "Power Rod"....now I see how you accumulated close to 3,000 posts....
hahhahahhahhahhahha, ok "walking sculpture", i bet you're the type of ab-shooter who does 300 sets of dumbell flyes on a friday night to go out and "meet chicks", and have a seltzer water at a bar, whilst eventually going home alone , but at least thinking to yourself "the chicks were too intimidated to approach me, because i look like a walking sculpture".
monster pussy hiding behind a narcissistic screen name.0
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ok, fair enough....how big do you need to be to effectively process a post workout shake like that?
You ned to be as big as the legendary sarcassm, and this also goes for buying protein or amino acids.
don't even think about them until you are at least Coleman size. ::)
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You ned to be as big as the legendary sarcassm, and this also goes for buying protein or amino acids.
don't even think about them until you are at least Coleman size. ::)
what he's saying is don't go around drinking cutler's bodyweight in carbs if you weigh 130. you're just gonna get fat. gradual increase is better.
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it always makes me laugh when i hear guys on here talk about "brutal" training when they get done with 3 sets of benches, 2 sets of inclines and 3 sets of dumbell flyes, like they just got done doing the labors of Hercules, hahahahaha.
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The amount of protein is way too high.
If anything, the carbs could be slightly higher.
Look for a ratio of 3:1 carbs:protein, or even 4:1.
So 100 g's of dextrose and 60 g's of protein... no.
YIP
Zack
Come on, this is bullshit.
You don't need 100g of dextrose after a workout, especially when your not on roids.
That's way off. Also were do you come up with that ratio of 4:1??
I'd say 30g of protein and some complex carbs (about 50-60g) is okay for the first thing after a workout.
30 minutes later again 30g of protein and some more complex carbs.
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it always makes me laugh when i hear guys on here talk about "brutal" training when they get done with 3 sets of benches, 2 sets of inclines and 3 sets of dumbell flyes, like they just got done doing the labors of Hercules, hahahahaha.
it's called HIT. ::)
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it's called HIT. ::)
the only thing that's high intensity about that is those guys egos, go roof a house in 110 degree heat or dig a ditch manually to get to a plumbing pipe and then tell me how "hardcore" your 225 for 6 bench press is, hahahaha, how many "pro" bodybuilders could do any of the above mentioned tasks?
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I was also using way too much protein.
Nowadays i take a way less and i still grow.
I took a few months off from training and i ate like shit. very less. and i haven't really noticed any muscle loss. so i'm convinced that high intake of protein is bullshit.
Bodybuilders are way overfed.
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the only thing that's high intensity about that is those guys egos, go roof a house in 110 degree heat or dig a ditch manually to get to a plumbing pipe and then tell me how "hardcore" your 225 for 6 bench press is, hahahaha, how many "pro" bodybuilders could do any of the above mentioned tasks?
Hello? We are talking about bodybuilding here.
These guys can't do shit. Most of them spell worse than a 2 grader. This isn't about doing something with a sense, this is about shooting roids and grunting in the gym.
Coleman might be able to squat a car, but for what? It's useless, as all entertainment and sports is.
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Hello? We are talking about bodybuilding here.
These guys can't do shit. Most of them spell worse than a 2 grader. This isn't about doing something with a sense, this is about shooting roids and grunting in the gym.
Coleman might be able to squat a car, but for what? It's useless, as all entertainment and sports is.
most 5'5" 145lb. Mexicans who roof houses, dig ditches or do landscaping are functionally stronger and have more endurance than pro bb'ers, pathetic.
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most 5'5" 145lb. Mexicans who roof houses, dig ditches or do landscaping are functionally stronger and have more endurance than pro bb'ers, pathetic.
Well if you've ever seen Jay Cutler cough and snough his way through the gym like a 1886 steam train on his way to Alabama with a head as read as a monkey butt and this even BEFORE he has touched a weight, it might dawn on you that a pro bodybuilder cannot be considered a professional athlete.
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haha yes there other 2 meals probably include pop-tarts.
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monster pussy hiding behind a narcissistic screen name.0
look who's talking "power rod".....
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Coleman or Cutler sized, honestly most guys drastically overestimate how much nutrients they need, you're only doing a pansy 10 set weightlifting workout, you're not doing a triathlon.
So you gotta be 300lbs to process a 600 calorie post workout meal? Come on Sarcasm....that can't be right....There is such a thing as UNDER EATING too you know.....
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why do you ask sarcasm about nutrition? the guy is so fat he dropped out of the mr getbig contest because he needed more than 4 months to get in reasonable shape
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why do you ask sarcasm about nutrition? the guy is so fat he dropped out of the mr getbig contest because he needed more than 4 months to get in reasonable shape
Why don't you come down to the V and voice your opinion you POS ?
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Why don't you come down to the V and voice your opinion you POS ?
this got nothing to do with the subject of this thread. try again.
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this got nothing to do with the subject of this thread. try again.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA spoken like a true piece of shit who eats his dad out for pleasure hahahahahahahahaha
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I was also using way too much protein.
Nowadays i take a way less and i still grow.
I took a few months off from training and i ate like shit. very less. and i haven't really noticed any muscle loss. so i'm convinced that high intake of protein is bullshit.
Bodybuilders are way overfed.
No, you just have a shitty metabolism. Guys like you can gain weight eating 1500 calories a day. Ectomorphs like me have to force-feed themselves to gain any muscle at all. It's science.
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No, you just have a shitty metabolism. Guys like you can gain weight eating 1500 calories a day. Ectomorphs like me have to force-feed themselves to gain any muscle at all. It's science.
YES BrianX, I do believe that metabolism and activity level has a lot to do with it
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So what, an ectomorph can just eat more fat and carbs, doesn't have to get 300g protein to gain.
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So what, an ectomorph can just eat more fat and carbs, doesn't have to get 300g protein to gain.
True.
also, 100g simple carbs over a long period of time kill your insulin sensibility.
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No, you just have a shitty metabolism. Guys like you can gain weight eating 1500 calories a day. Ectomorphs like me have to force-feed themselves to gain any muscle at all. It's science.
I'm an ectomorph too and i used to eat a lot protein and carbs since i simply started training.
I now try to gain muscle while eating a lot less, will see if it works. i'm sick of the bloating i get when i eat a lot of carbs.
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in the gym on Friday there's two guys training biceps each about 150lbs at six feet plus and i hear one talking to the other one about his "post workout shake" and he says, "i drink 70 grams of whey protein, 5 grams of creatine and 10 grams of glutamine along with 100 grams of carbs, just like the pros" hahahahahaha, epic unnecessary nutrients and wastage.
Lol ! ;D
what he doesn't know is that the "Pros" takes 10 IU of insulin before eating that kind of shake
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I'm an ectomorph too and i used to eat a lot protein and carbs since i simply started training.
I now try to gain muscle while eating a lot less, will see if it works. i'm sick of the bloating i get when i eat a lot of carbs.
Sounds like you're eating to many starches, Mars.
Up your protein and balance your starches with high fiber carbs.
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So are you saying that beasts like bmacsys should just have a slice of bread with peanut butter and call it a meal after 'deadlifting' a swiss ball in the gym, Sarcasm ?
Ok, ugly, balding dwarf!
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So what, an ectomorph can just eat more fat and carbs, doesn't have to get 300g protein to gain.
Maybe he will gain better on 300.
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that would be far too much protein for bmacys slender, thin build.
Again post a pic. Afraid? I may have 13.5" arms at 6'2" 215 pounds. But I posted a pic. You claim to have 18" arms. But NOBODY HAS EVER SEEN THEM. INCLUDING YOU. Why? because they only exist in your fevered imagination. ::)
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it's massive overfeeding when you're as skinny as these two nerds.
Overfeeding? Is that a new term you coined? You are not only a liar you are an idiot as well.
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Overfeeding? Is that a new term you coined? You are not only a liar you are an idiot as well.
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
Hahahaha yes Mars. Yet another tiny tit meltdown
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No point in trying to discuss training, nutrition etc with sarcasm and co, if they DID have an interest and knowledge in this, they would post on those boards - they don't. (well actually sarcasm DID come into nutrition once when he needed help, everybody laughted at him and told him to fuck off) :)
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I was also using way too much protein.
Nowadays i take a way less and i still grow.
I took a few months off from training and i ate like shit. very less. and i haven't really noticed any muscle loss. so i'm convinced that high intake of protein is bullshit.
Bodybuilders are way overfed.
Oh please teach us some more about eating and training Mr, Intensity.
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Not everybody has an empty life that only exists of "training" and "dieting" like you "bindaredundat".
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No point in trying to discuss training, nutrition etc with sarcasm and co, if they DID have an interest and knowledge in this, they would post on those boards - they don't. (well actually sarcasm DID come into nutrition once when he needed help, everybody laughted at him and told him to f**k off) :)
And no point in you opening your mouth for anything other than sucking your dad off, you skidmark hahahahahahaha
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And no point in you opening your mouth for anything other than sucking your dad off, you skidmark hahahahahahaha
Ouch! Triple self ownage there. a) you wasn't able to stick to the subject. b) you showed you had no knowledge of the things discussed c) you recycled your old mama-daddy-jokes.
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Ouch! Triple self ownage there. a) you wasn't able to stick to the subject. b) you showed you had no knowledge of the things discussed c) you recycled your old mama-daddy-jokes.
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No joke - you seriously should save your mouth for eating out your dad :-X
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in the gym on Friday there's two guys training biceps each about 150lbs at six feet plus and i hear one talking to the other one about his "post workout shake" and he says, "i drink 70 grams of whey protein, 5 grams of creatine and 10 grams of glutamine along with 100 grams of carbs, just like the pros" hahahahahaha, epic unnecessary nutrients and wastage.
Dude ,,,you're starting to sound like an undercover homo!? All you do is start posts about you watching young boys !????
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No joke - you seriously should save your mouth for eating out your dad :-X
Haha self ownage again, recycling the same "joke"
You're on a roll!
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Haha self ownage again, recycling the same "joke"
You're on a roll!
You are the gimmick who's on a roll. I wasn't joking about what I said about you and your dad though.
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You are the gimmick who's on a roll. I wasn't joking about what I said about you and your dad though.
Gimmick this gimmick that, what's your point? We're waiting for the punchline and it's not coming.
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sounds like a good PWO shake to me.
Who cares if it is too much? That's better than not having enough.
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Gimmick this gimmick that, what's your point? We're waiting for the punchline and it's not coming.
The punchline? Ok - go eat your dad out. There's your punchline you idiot hahahahahahaha.
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The punchline? Ok - go eat your dad out. There's your punchline you idiot hahahahahahaha.
You just admitted that there isn't one. You spent weeks or months bitching about me being a gimmick in thousands of posts, and there's no reason, no point and no punchline.
Oh boy what a moron. You're beyond help.
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You just admitted that there isn't one. You spent weeks or months bitching about me being a gimmick in thousands of posts, and there's no reason, no point and no punchline.
Oh boy what a moron. You're beyond help.
Yeah, I'm shattered on hearing this opinion of what is not even an actual, living person hahahahahahahaha
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According to conventional wisdom I'm supposed to eat like 500 grams of protein a day, I don't even eat half of that and I have no problem maintaining my size. It's hogwash. Think about where these beliefs originated......muscle mags trying to sell you protein. It's all genetics, like EVERYTHING in bodybuilding. What works for one doesn't work for the other, so there are no universal axioms. The people that truly progress in this "sport" are the one's who find what works for them and stick to it.
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a lot of 'bodybuilders' eat too much and are 20% body fat and over.
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According to conventional wisdom I'm supposed to eat like 500 grams of protein a day, I don't even eat half of that and I have no problem maintaining my size. It's hogwash. Think about where these beliefs originated......muscle mags trying to sell you protein. It's all genetics, like EVERYTHING in bodybuilding. What works for one doesn't work for the other, so there are no universal axioms. The people that truly progress in this "sport" are the one's who find what works for them and stick to it.
Exactly.
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Exactly.
Mars has spoken 8)
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Mars knows the secrets of life.
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Mars is the fountainhead of all that is wise and true and beautiful and strong and virtuous and heroic
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Mars is the fountainhead of all that is wise and true and beautiful and strong and virtuous and heroic
hahhahahahahaahahahaahahahahahahahaa!!!! you got me with that one
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According to conventional wisdom I'm supposed to eat like 500 grams of protein a day, I don't even eat half of that and I have no problem maintaining my size. It's hogwash. Think about where these beliefs originated......muscle mags trying to sell you protein. It's all genetics, like EVERYTHING in bodybuilding. What works for one doesn't work for the other, so there are no universal axioms. The people that truly progress in this "sport" are the one's who find what works for them and stick to it.
i agree, but if someone were actually 150 lbs at 6 feet plus as sarcasm described i dont see where they could go wrong eating that much if they had trained with some intensity. i wouldnt call that overeating at all, especially when you're trying to fill in such a skinny frame. sarcasm has stated before that he's debunked the "grazing" theory and feels people can get away with eating one big meal a day ala serge nubret. but now 70 g's of protein is too much for one meal? there's at least that much in an average sized steak.
that shake looked fine to me as long as you're getting your protein cheap from costco and not paying muscletech prices
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Thanks guys, me and Sarcasm are very proud Squad leaders on how you handle in the war against these little cumfilled scrawny bonesacked geeks over here.
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Thanks guys, me and Sarcasm are very proud Squad leaders on how you handle in the war against these little cumfilled scrawny bonesacked geeks over here.
It's actually us who are honoured to serve under great leaders like you and the great Sarcasm, Mars 8)
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i agree, but if someone were actually 150 lbs at 6 feet plus as sarcasm described i dont see where they could go wrong eating that much if they had trained with some intensity. i wouldnt call that overeating at all, especially when you're trying to fill in such a skinny frame. sarcasm has stated before that he's debunked the "grazing" theory and feels people can get away with eating one big meal a day ala serge nubret. but now 70 g's of protein is too much for one meal? there's at least that much in an average sized steak.
that shake looked fine to me as long as you're getting your protein cheap from costco and not paying muscletech prices
Second teh costco protein. just got a jug. great deal.
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Come on, this is bullshit.
You don't need 100g of dextrose after a workout, especially when your not on roids.
That's way off. Also were do you come up with that ratio of 4:1??
I'd say 30g of protein and some complex carbs (about 50-60g) is okay for the first thing after a workout.
30 minutes later again 30g of protein and some more complex carbs.
The fast carbs will give you a insulin spike.
A professor on sports medicine told me that there has been shown no difference, going as low as 6 grams of amino acids post workout.
It's all about the carbs, those will give a insulin release. A sports scientist told me that 180 grams of carbs post workout would be something to try to get a kickass insulin release. And he also told me to keep the protein low, as that will slow down the carbs.
YIP
Zack
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According to conventional wisdom I'm supposed to eat like 500 grams of protein a day, I don't even eat half of that and I have no problem maintaining my size. It's hogwash. Think about where these beliefs originated......muscle mags trying to sell you protein. It's all genetics, like EVERYTHING in bodybuilding. What works for one doesn't work for the other, so there are no universal axioms. The people that truly progress in this "sport" are the one's who find what works for them and stick to it.
I've never heard anyone say you should eat 500 grams a day. As for maintaining size, most are not interested in that, most are interesting in growing.
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i agree, but if someone were actually 150 lbs at 6 feet plus as sarcasm described i dont see where they could go wrong eating that much if they had trained with some intensity. i wouldnt call that overeating at all, especially when you're trying to fill in such a skinny frame. sarcasm has stated before that he's debunked the "grazing" theory and feels people can get away with eating one big meal a day ala serge nubret. but now 70 g's of protein is too much for one meal? there's at least that much in an average sized steak.
that shake looked fine to me as long as you're getting your protein cheap from costco and not paying muscletech prices
How much is still debatable, used to be max 30 grams. 70 might be a little too much, who cares.
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The fast carbs will give you a insulin spike.
A professor on sports medicine told me that there has been shown no difference, going as low as 6 grams of amino acids post workout.
It's all about the carbs, those will give a insulin release. A sports scientist told me that 180 grams of carbs post workout would be something to try to get a kickass insulin release. And he also told me to keep the protein low, as that will slow down the carbs.
YIP
Zack
Yes, but the insulin spike will do you no good in the long run.
The carbs are absorbed anyway, so low GI carbs will do. As for the protein, i don't take protein shakes at all.
5-8g BCAA after a workout followed by 20g amino acids 30 minutes later followed by a whole meal 30 minutes later.
The insulin spike every time you work out kills your insulin sensitivity, which means you will need more and more carbs to spike your insulin.
i take 4-6 g of cinnamon each day to keep insulin sensitivity high, then low carbs or very little carbs will do.
Studies show that cinnamon supplementation helps with insulin sensitivity.
Study given below.
Bioactive compounds extracted from cinnamon potentiate insulin activity, as measured by glucose oxidation in the rat epididymal fat cell assay. Wortmannin, a potent PI 3'-kinase inhibitor, decreases the biological response to insulin and bioactive compounds from cinnamon similarly, indicating that cinnamon is affecting an elements upstream of PI 3'-kinase. Enzyme studies done in vitro show that the bioactive compounds can stimulate autophosphorylation of a truncated form of the insulin receptor and can inhibit PTP-1, a rat homolog of a tyrosine phosphatase (PTP-1B) that inactivates the insulin receptor. No inhibition was found with alkaline phosphate or calcineurin suggesting that the active material is not a general phosphatase inhibitor. It is suggested, then, that a cinnamon compounds, like insulin, affects protein phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions in the intact adipocyte. Bioactive cinnamon compounds may find further use in studies of insulin resistance in adult-onset diabetes.
Cinnamon Improves Glucose and Lipids of People With Type 2 Diabetes
Alam Khan, MS, PHD1,2,3, Mahpara Safdar, MS1,2, Mohammad Muzaffar Ali Khan, MS, PHD1,2, Khan Nawaz Khattak, MS1,2 and Richard A. Anderson, PHD3
1 Department of Human Nutrition, NWFP Agricultural University, Peshawar, Pakistan
2 Post Graduate Medical Institute, Hayatabad Medical Complex, Peshawar, Pakistan
3 Nutrients Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center, Beltsville, Maryland
Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. Richard A. Anderson, Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center, Bldg. 307, Rm. 224, Beltsville, MD 20705. E-mail: Anderson@307.bhnrc.usda.gov
OBJECTIVE—The objective of this study was to determine whether cinnamon improves blood glucose, triglyceride, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in people with type 2 diabetes.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS—A total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women aged 52.2 ± 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40 days followed by a 20-day washout period.
RESULTS—After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18–29%), triglyceride (23–30%), LDL cholesterol (7–27%), and total cholesterol (12–26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL cholesterol were not significant.
CONCLUSIONS—The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.
Cinnamon Extract Prevents the Insulin Resistance Induced by a High-fructose Diet
B. Qin 1, M. Nagasaki 2, M. Ren 3, G. Bajotto 1, Y. Oshida 1, 2, Y. Sato 1, 2
1 Department of Sports Medicine, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
2 Research Center of Health, Physical Fitness and Sports, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
3 Department of Visual Neuroscience, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
Abstract
The aim of this study was to determine whether cinnamon extract (CE) would improve the glucose utilization in normal male Wistar rats fed a high-fructose diet (HFD) for three weeks with or without CE added to the drinking water (300 mg/kg/day). In vivo glucose utilization was measured by the euglycemic clamp technique. Further analyses on the possible changes in insulin signaling occurring in skeletal muscle were performed afterwards by Western blotting. At 3 mU/kg/min insulin infusions, the decreased glucose infusion rate (GIR) in HFD-fed rats (60 % of controls, p < 0.01) was improved by CE administration to the same level of controls (normal chow diet) and the improving effect of CE on the GIR of HFD-fed rats was blocked by approximately 50 % by N-monometyl-L-arginine. The same tendency was found during the 30 mU/kg/min insulin infusions. There were no differences in skeletal muscle insulin receptor (IR)-β, IR substrate (IRS)-1, or phosphatidylinositol (PI) 3-kinase protein content in any groups. However, the muscular insulin-stimulated IR-β and IRS-1 tyrosine phosphorylation levels and IRS-1 associated with PI 3-kinase in HFD-fed rats were only 70 ± 9 %, 76 ± 5 %, and 72 ± 6 % of controls (p < 0.05), respectively, and these decreases were significantly improved by CE treatment. These results suggest that early CE administration to HFD-fed rats would prevent the development of insulin resistance at least in part by enhancing insulin signaling and possibly via the NO pathway in skeletal muscle.
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Yes, but the insulin spike will do you no good in the long run.
The carbs are absorbed anyway, so low GI carbs will do. As for the protein, i don't take protein shakes at all.
5-8g BCAA after a workout followed by 20g amino acids 30 minutes later followed by a whole meal 30 minutes later.
The insulin spike every time you work out kills your insulin sensitivity, which means you will need more and more carbs to spike your insulin.
i take 4-6 g of cinnamon each day to keep insulin sensitivity high, then low carbs or very little carbs will do.
Studies show that cinnamon supplementation helps with insulin sensitivity.
Ahh..
A fellow cinnamon eater. ;D
I don't think much of the desensitizing (sp?) after a workout. My overall carb intake is however dictated by it. I never eat simple carbs except for this one meal. Otherwise I stick to carb sources like brown rice and likewise.
I forgot where I read or heard about the insulin resistance not being affected when taking fast carbs post work out. Probably heard it at a seminar.
YIP
Zack
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how lean are you Zachary?
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Ahh..
A fellow cinnamon eater. ;D
I don't think much of the desensitizing (sp?) after a workout. My overall carb intake is however dictated by it. I never eat simple carbs except for this one meal. Otherwise I stick to carb sources like brown rice and likewise.
I forgot where I read or heard about the insulin resistance not being affected when taking fast carbs post work out. Probably heard it at a seminar.
YIP
Zack
I got rid of all simple carbs a while ago and it works for me. I guess if you have your carbs under control it's not a thing to worry about.
I can't even stand these dextrose filled shakes PWO anymore. ;D
Try complex carbs for PWO for a while and see if it works for you. It's better for your health in the long run and you might see some improvements or feel better. ;)
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I was having cereal postworkout when gaining. fuck dextrose.
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how lean are you Zachary?
The caliper reads approx 11%.
My guess would be that I'm somewhere at 13-14, calipers somehow read too low.
Waist is 33 inches. Got some abs.
YIP
Zack
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I notice sarcasm starts these "brutal gym owning" threads then leaves after the first page, watching it develop into a multi-page love-in. That seems to be what he enjoys most - just watching his work manifest into 5 pages of back-and-forth bickering
Personally, I'd like to hear some of sarcasm's "asking people how much test they're running" stories. He mentioned on another thread that he often asks people how much steroids they're taking, then rolls his eyes when they are at a loss for how he knew. He even did it to a cop.
A couple of those stories would be a nice change of pace.
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Yes, but the insulin spike will do you no good in the long run.
The carbs are absorbed anyway, so low GI carbs will do. As for the protein, i don't take protein shakes at all.
5-8g BCAA after a workout followed by 20g amino acids 30 minutes later followed by a whole meal 30 minutes later.
The insulin spike every time you work out kills your insulin sensitivity, which means you will need more and more carbs to spike your insulin.
i take 4-6 g of cinnamon each day to keep insulin sensitivity high, then low carbs or very little carbs will do.
Studies show that cinnamon supplementation helps with insulin sensitivity.
Study given below.
Bioactive compounds extracted from cinnamon potentiate insulin activity, as measured by glucose oxidation in the rat epididymal fat cell assay. Wortmannin, a potent PI 3'-kinase inhibitor, decreases the biological response to insulin and bioactive compounds from cinnamon similarly, indicating that cinnamon is affecting an elements upstream of PI 3'-kinase. Enzyme studies done in vitro show that the bioactive compounds can stimulate autophosphorylation of a truncated form of the insulin receptor and can inhibit PTP-1, a rat homolog of a tyrosine phosphatase (PTP-1B) that inactivates the insulin receptor. No inhibition was found with alkaline phosphate or calcineurin suggesting that the active material is not a general phosphatase inhibitor. It is suggested, then, that a cinnamon compounds, like insulin, affects protein phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions in the intact adipocyte. Bioactive cinnamon compounds may find further use in studies of insulin resistance in adult-onset diabetes.
Cinnamon Improves Glucose and Lipids of People With Type 2 Diabetes
Alam Khan, MS, PHD1,2,3, Mahpara Safdar, MS1,2, Mohammad Muzaffar Ali Khan, MS, PHD1,2, Khan Nawaz Khattak, MS1,2 and Richard A. Anderson, PHD3
1 Department of Human Nutrition, NWFP Agricultural University, Peshawar, Pakistan
2 Post Graduate Medical Institute, Hayatabad Medical Complex, Peshawar, Pakistan
3 Nutrients Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center, Beltsville, Maryland
Address correspondence and reprint requests to Dr. Richard A. Anderson, Nutrient Requirements and Functions Laboratory, Beltsville Human Nutrition Research Center, Bldg. 307, Rm. 224, Beltsville, MD 20705. E-mail: Anderson@307.bhnrc.usda.gov
OBJECTIVE—The objective of this study was to determine whether cinnamon improves blood glucose, triglyceride, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, and LDL cholesterol levels in people with type 2 diabetes.
RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS—A total of 60 people with type 2 diabetes, 30 men and 30 women aged 52.2 ± 6.32 years, were divided randomly into six groups. Groups 1, 2, and 3 consumed 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon daily, respectively, and groups 4, 5, and 6 were given placebo capsules corresponding to the number of capsules consumed for the three levels of cinnamon. The cinnamon was consumed for 40 days followed by a 20-day washout period.
RESULTS—After 40 days, all three levels of cinnamon reduced the mean fasting serum glucose (18–29%), triglyceride (23–30%), LDL cholesterol (7–27%), and total cholesterol (12–26%) levels; no significant changes were noted in the placebo groups. Changes in HDL cholesterol were not significant.
CONCLUSIONS—The results of this study demonstrate that intake of 1, 3, or 6 g of cinnamon per day reduces serum glucose, triglyceride, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in people with type 2 diabetes and suggest that the inclusion of cinnamon in the diet of people with type 2 diabetes will reduce risk factors associated with diabetes and cardiovascular diseases.
Cinnamon Extract Prevents the Insulin Resistance Induced by a High-fructose Diet
B. Qin 1, M. Nagasaki 2, M. Ren 3, G. Bajotto 1, Y. Oshida 1, 2, Y. Sato 1, 2
1 Department of Sports Medicine, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
2 Research Center of Health, Physical Fitness and Sports, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
3 Department of Visual Neuroscience, Graduate School of Medicine, Nagoya University, Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8601, Japan
Abstract
The aim of this study was to determine whether cinnamon extract (CE) would improve the glucose utilization in normal male Wistar rats fed a high-fructose diet (HFD) for three weeks with or without CE added to the drinking water (300 mg/kg/day). In vivo glucose utilization was measured by the euglycemic clamp technique. Further analyses on the possible changes in insulin signaling occurring in skeletal muscle were performed afterwards by Western blotting. At 3 mU/kg/min insulin infusions, the decreased glucose infusion rate (GIR) in HFD-fed rats (60 % of controls, p < 0.01) was improved by CE administration to the same level of controls (normal chow diet) and the improving effect of CE on the GIR of HFD-fed rats was blocked by approximately 50 % by N-monometyl-L-arginine. The same tendency was found during the 30 mU/kg/min insulin infusions. There were no differences in skeletal muscle insulin receptor (IR)-β, IR substrate (IRS)-1, or phosphatidylinositol (PI) 3-kinase protein content in any groups. However, the muscular insulin-stimulated IR-β and IRS-1 tyrosine phosphorylation levels and IRS-1 associated with PI 3-kinase in HFD-fed rats were only 70 ± 9 %, 76 ± 5 %, and 72 ± 6 % of controls (p < 0.05), respectively, and these decreases were significantly improved by CE treatment. These results suggest that early CE administration to HFD-fed rats would prevent the development of insulin resistance at least in part by enhancing insulin signaling and possibly via the NO pathway in skeletal muscle.
I highly doubt taking high GI carbs PWO is going to affect your insulin resistance. Following a workout your cells are extremely insulin sensitive. Following your logic, all pros (that use slin PWO) would be diabetics...
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I've never heard anyone say you should eat 500 grams a day. As for maintaining size, most are not interested in that, most are interesting in growing.
Going by the 1.5 per lb. rule I should be taking in at least that. I don't take in half that, and never have, but Iv'e managed to go from 220 to 240(at times 250) in the last 3 years. That would be GROWING.
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hahaha no one here has a clue
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(http://i8.tinypic.com/2556k3a.jpg)eat to repair, grow, get fat
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(http://i8.tinypic.com/2556k3a.jpg)eat to repair, grow, get fat
Please elaborate DW, you are one of the few here who looks like they have a clue.
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It's actually us who are honoured to serve under great leaders like you and the great Sarcasm, Mars 8)
it is impossible for you to serve under sarcasm...everyone knows that Mars is ALWAYS under sarcasm.
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Meltdown.
How long did it take you to think up this post you mindless toadie? ::)
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It's actually us who are honoured to serve under great leaders like you and the great Sarcasm, Mars 8)
Now that is sarcasm.
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How long did it take you to think up this post you mindless toadie? ::)
Not very long "bmacysdvGFD" oh brother what a fucking name what where you thinking? haha.
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I notice sarcasm starts these "brutal gym owning" threads then leaves after the first page, watching it develop into a multi-page love-in. That seems to be what he enjoys most - just watching his work manifest into 5 pages of back-and-forth bickering
Personally, I'd like to hear some of sarcasm's "asking people how much test they're running" stories. He mentioned on another thread that he often asks people how much steroids they're taking, then rolls his eyes when they are at a loss for how he knew. He even did it to a cop.
A couple of those stories would be a nice change of pace.
sarcasm is a drive-by postwhore
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Not very long "bmacysdvGFD" oh brother what a fucking name what where you thinking? haha.
Hahahaha hey Mars, look up bmacsys' pic up from the Gallery of Getbiggers thread in the Pics of members board if you need a good laugh.
sarcasm is a drive-by postwhore
You should be the last one to talk about postwhoring, gimmick.
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Not very long "bmacysdvGFD" oh brother what a fucking name what where you thinking? haha.
Another in a long line of great posts. You brown-nosing toadie.
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Hahahaha hey Mars, look up bmacsys' pic up from the Gallery of Getbiggers thread in the Pics of members board if you need a good laugh.
Whatever, you bald headed dwarf. You look like my neighbors lawn gnome.
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Hahahaha hey Mars, look up bmacsys' pic up from the Gallery of Getbiggers thread in the Pics of members board if you need a good laugh.
Looking at your pic doesn't bring a laugh. It makes someone want to vomit.
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Double post, tiny tit meltdown hahahahaha
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"Bmacsys" is just jealous of your muscle mass.
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"Bmacsys" is just jealous of your muscle mass.
Hahahaha yes Mars. All he keeps saying in between his meltdowns is how he's got hair and his skin is soft ::) He is yet to answer these questions I asked him elsewhere:
I have some serious questions for bottombitchmacsys:
1) Is it true that when you approached the local swim team, they told you that while they said that you don't need much muscle to be a swimmer, they didn't mean that they were talking THIS minimal an amount of muscle ?
2) Is is true that when you stepped into a gym for the first time, you realised what a little bitch you are when you mentioned to the trainer how you couldn't lift the 'weight' due to it being too heavy and whereupon he replied, "No no, that is the Swiss ball. You get to sit on it. What you are going to use are these pink 1.5 lb dumbells" ?
3) Is it true that when you pressed the above-mentioned pink dumbells for a chest press, the trainer then remarked, "Hey don't worry - at least we know what your one rep max is" ?
4) Is it true that you have been approached several times by the president of the 'Anorexics federation' to give a seminar / presentation on how one goes about achieving your levels of Anorexia? And is it true that in the end, when you turned them down saying you weren't interested in women at all and that you 'preferred the company of guys', she angrily said, "The 1930's called - they want their look back" ?
Your reply would be much appreciated.
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I highly doubt taking high GI carbs PWO is going to affect your insulin resistance. Following a workout your cells are extremely insulin sensitive. Following your logic, all pros (that use slin PWO) would be diabetics...
Rumors abound that there be more and more instances of competitive bodybuilders becoming just that. Injecting insulin (without a legit medical reason for doing so) and stuffing oneself with simple carbs may add a bit of muscle to one's frame, but it's not the least bit healthy. Then again, competitive bodybuilding has nothing to do with health - it has become a very unhealthy endeavor on many levels.
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No point in trying to discuss training, nutrition etc with sarcasm and co, if they DID have an interest and knowledge in this, they would post on those boards - they don't. (well actually sarcasm DID come into nutrition once when he needed help, everybody laughted at him and told him to f**k off) :)
lol.....couldn't have said it better ;D ;D
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lol.....couldn't have said it better ;D ;D
Pull the car around, NotsoHUGEPECS.....go.
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"Bmacsys" is just jealous of your muscle mass.
Actually I am jealous of his bald pate.
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Actually I am jealous of his bald pate.
Shouldn't you be by the campfire making love to your boyfriend you anorexic little bitch ? Hahahahahaha
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Shouldn't you be by the campfire making love to your boyfriend you anorexic little bitch ? Hahahahahaha
Ok bald, short, fat, ugly, lawn gnome, Quasimodo clone. Other than that you look good!
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Hahahaha, glutamine is horseshit anyway.
Funny thing is that these tiny tits only rely on supplements for gains while they eat like shit.
These tiny tits will look exactly the same when you see them again 2 years later in the gym haha.
...that's if they even stick with it that long.
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Hahahaha yes Mars. All he keeps saying in between his meltdowns is how he's got hair and his skin is soft ::) He is yet to answer these questions I asked him elsewhere:
I have some serious questions for bottombitchmacsys:
1) Is it true that when you approached the local swim team, they told you that while they said that you don't need much muscle to be a swimmer, they didn't mean that they were talking THIS minimal an amount of muscle ?
2) Is is true that when you stepped into a gym for the first time, you realised what a little bitch you are when you mentioned to the trainer how you couldn't lift the 'weight' due to it being too heavy and whereupon he replied, "No no, that is the Swiss ball. You get to sit on it. What you are going to use are these pink 1.5 lb dumbells" ?
3) Is it true that when you pressed the above-mentioned pink dumbells for a chest press, the trainer then remarked, "Hey don't worry - at least we know what your one rep max is" ?
4) Is it true that you have been approached several times by the president of the 'Anorexics federation' to give a seminar / presentation on how one goes about achieving your levels of Anorexia? And is it true that in the end, when you turned them down saying you weren't interested in women at all and that you 'preferred the company of guys', she angrily said, "The 1930's called - they want their look back" ?
Your reply would be much appreciated.
Oh, such a long post. I must have hurt your feelings you poor freak of nature?
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that would be far too much protein for bmacys slender, thin build.
Are you suggesting that bmacys is built like a 12-yr old girlscout?
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Are you suggesting that bmacys is built like a 12-yr old girlscout?
Ok, man of tin. Suck those squad guys dick because you can't think on your own.
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Ok, man of tin. Suck those squad guys dick because you can't think on your own.
Don't make someone post your pic....
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Ok, man of tin. Suck those squad guys dick because you can't think on your own.
AHAHAAHAHAHA!!!!
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Ok bald, short, fat, ugly, lawn gnome, Quasimodo clone. Other than that you look good!
Not everyone is a fag like you who panics when you sport a hangnail or if your hair gets blown out of order you little fairy. Hahahahaha have you gained enough weight to qualify to join the local Anorexics association yet?
Don't make someone post your pic....
Hahahaha yes Showstoppa. Bottombitchmacsys is so tiny and skinny a tit that apparently, when he went to watch the movie 'The Machinist' with his 'boyfriend', he was seen pointing at the poster of an emaciated Christian Bale, saying, "My God, why would anyone want to get that big? That's just too ugly. Here honey, can you hold this straw for me - it's too heavy". Hahahahaha gayer than a Olsen-twins male clothing line.
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Ok bald, short, fat, ugly, lawn gnome, Quasimodo clone. Other than that you look good!
Jealous as the century is gold.
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bmacsys, why so angry little buddy? Sounds like you need a "danielson special" to help you relax:
1 big comfy chair
1 glass iced tea
1 huge sets of hairy nuts dangled across your quivering lips
Perks danielson right up.
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bmacsys, why so angry little buddy? Sounds like you need a "danielson special" to help you relax:
1 big comfy chair
1 glass iced tea
1 huge sets of hairy nuts dangled across your quivering lips
Perks danielson right up.
hahahahaha, if he's in a "special" mood the chair and iced tea aren't needed.
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hahahahaha, if he's in a "special" mood the chair and iced tea aren't needed.
Exactly, danielson is a "man" who likes to get right to the "good stuff".
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and sarcasms reply- you friggin sissys I take my protein straight from the man tap!
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and sarcasms reply- you friggin sissys I take my protein straight from the man tap!
hahaha, ok, Lord Humongous. ::)