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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: texasRUSH on September 11, 2006, 07:53:46 AM
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today i've started my new cycle.
my stack: dbol 30mg ed for 4-6 wks
test-e 200mg etd (every third day ) 10 wks (12 if i feel like i could use it )
the proper precautions and pct are setup so i'm good there.
starting points:
weight: 215@12%bf
strenght stats as of now:
squat:525 to parallel, leg press 1250 for 3 sets of 10 to finish the set
deadlift: 485
bench: 435 max...but am looking for reps. as of now 365 for 8
bnp: 325 max...shooting for 300 for 6
i'll take measurements later this evening. can someone tell me how to post photos? or do i hafta host them and link them to this site? ???
current caloric intake: 2500...so on cycle i'm shooting for 3500 a day for the duration of the usage
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looks good, if i were u i would add some eq or deca 400 mg weekly,
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Good luck & keep us posted. I'd also add either EQ or Deca.
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i contemplated it but for a few reasons i've decided not to go with either at the moment. Last time i took bold/eq i broke out like i'd just hit puberty but when taking prop or test-e i haven't had that issue. *shrug*
I'm waiting to use deca on my next cycle...right now i'm trying to figure out how i'm gonna react to this current one. We've got nothing but time. ;D
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WoW you only take in 2500 cal per day? That seems pretty low, but hey if it works for you then great.
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WoW you only take in 2500 cal per day? That seems pretty low, but hey if it works for you then great.
yeah pretty good diet...
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I find the 4000 per day is great when on. But yeah everyone eats differently
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4000 per day, yummy...
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asbefore a few have mentioned that liquid dbol has a problem with being fake. I've only been taking it for 3 dyas now and I'm wondering how much water you retain in what kinda time frame? I can fit three notches in my belt when i started and now i'm down to one. My kidney's also are a little sore so i'm going from a little over a gallon of water a day to two now to see if that kicks it. I piss clear..but apparenlty that's not enough.
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WoW you only take in 2500 cal per day? That seems pretty low, but hey if it works for you then great.
He is going to take in 3500 when "on"....i peronally wouldn't go under 4000 myself but to each his own i guess...
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He is going to take in 3500 when "on"....i peronally wouldn't go under 4000 myself but to each his own i guess...
Agreed. I take in 4000+ when I'm in off-season mode, on or off cycle. It is a lot of food, and you do put on some BF but it's the only way I can put on the needed size before I diet down.
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My kidney's also are a little sore so i'm going from a little over a gallon of water a day to two now to see if that kicks it. I piss clear..but apparenlty that's not enough.
probably just in your head bro...
have you ever been to the doc and had all your values checked? might want to do that to see if you have any pre-existing problems.
i wouldn't worry too much, i've taken orals in alot higher doses for extended periods of time and had zero problems...i also go to the doc before and after every cycle. everything is always within 5%.
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okay so now i'm two weeks into this thing...and a few things i've come to realize
1) when i'm dumping larger dosages at once it's better to shoot DEEPER
2) for someone my size it appears i've gotta take a minimum of 40mg of dbol a day. 10mg in the am, 20mg before a workout, and 10mg at night at 6 hour intervals. 30mg a day wasn't covering it. Also, the lower back pumps weren't as bad when i up'd my water intake to 2gals.
packed on 5lbs so far but i'm sure most of it is from all this fucking water. I'm not looking too bloated but my face is filling out a little along with my ass...apparenlty all this water and everything else has made my belt come down a notch and my shirt is a little tighter. 3200-3500 cals a day is perfect and seems to both fill me out and not throw me into the OBESE category of america.
benching now i've hit 400 for two triples and for deads i've hit 500 for 2 triples as well...my usual lifts are getting much much easier too. Benching has gone from the usual 135x15x1,225x10x1,315x10,365x8 to....135x15x1,225x12,365x8x385x6 and my shoulder hasn't said a word at all so far! :D
I should know in a few weeks if i should have gone with a higher test-e dosage. and may end up just doing this cycle for 8-9 weeks instead of 10-12 depending on how fast i take the test. Iv'e already up'd the dose 100mg a week more than originally anticipated. No breaks outs, no puffy or itchy nipples, a tiny bit more irritability but nothing taht schooling my emotions and face can't fix :D The recovery is starting to show up like i hoped it would this soon. Strength is slow but appears to be steady so here's hoping!
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oh yeah...only 10lbs away from my weight goal with at least 6 more weeks left! :D
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current caloric intake: 2500...so on cycle i'm shooting for 3500 a day for the duration of the usage
Damn dude your lucky as hell, I have to take like 4000 calories on the off cycle just to maintain weight and then on stuff up to 6000-8000. I feel like such a fatass 80% of my day is sitting on my ass eating.
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so far so good...nothing as far as sides are pop'n up yet but i'm waiting...
took a big poop and i think i lost about 2 of the pounds i gained from eating so damned much. Loving the added weight and strength but my cardio is suffering...feels like i'm a pack a day smoker again. Thinking maybe 30minutes two or three times a week while on won't be too detrimental (sp?).
strength is still on the rise too... hit 315 for a triple twice last night on the seated overhead press. with EASE which is kinda scary. The last set though It felt like i was about to strain something in my sternum so I called it a day. Bodyfat percentage is just a little over 1% over what it was when I started. Not planning on all the weight gained being muscle but mostly water. I'm thinking at this time 230 would be a good finish weight for the end of this cycle and cutting down to 215 after would be decent...no reason to rush progress...there's always the next cycle. But for test and dbol only i'm thinking this is decent enough gains thus far. the dbol I've only got one more week left before coming off...4 weeks on my first go round with it seems fine to me unless someone feels otherwise.
as of now i'm starting to notice some nipple soreness...so down goes the nolva.
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Good luck & keep us posted. I'd also add either EQ or Deca.
What do you think is better EQ or Deca? I have used deca 3 times and I really like it so i never felt the need to try the eq. From what I've read they are similar.
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okay guys that have been following this...my first cycle of test only i dindt develop any kinda sides cept a tiny bit of acne in the end...well this is my third week with the dbol and i'm experiencing puffy sore nipples and had planned on using it for just long enough to let the test kick in. As of now i'm gonna drop the dbol and up my test dosage to 500mg a week. I didnt' take any dbol at all yesterday and the puffy soreness has already disappated. I guess i'm gonna hafta stay away from any compounds resembling the chemical makeup of dbol.
I'm also looking for more input. As of right now i'm contemplating on extending the cycle out to possibly 18 weeks instead of 10-12. If i decided to do this, would it be cycle suicide to introduce 200-300 mg of deca at this time? ???
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I'm also looking for more input. As of right now i'm contemplating on extending the cycle out to possibly 18 weeks instead of 10-12. If i decided to do this, would it be cycle suicide to introduce 200-300 mg of deca at this time? ???
No it won't hurt, but if you're going to do it, then do it now and extend the cycle length a little. Also, add in an AI or at least 10mg of nolva per day...you should have been doing this in the first place.
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i had some new AI made up with nolva powder intermixed from a friend of mine that just arrived..i had the liquid set aside for when a flair up would accur if it ever did...from what i read and researched here nolva was always recommended to be taken when things started to show signs of sides..not during the entire time...so that's what i went with.
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update as of todays' little excitment...
i was working with a new partner just for today and got beyond fired up for my overhead presses...
got 315 for 6! :D :D :D :D
I THINK THIS SHIT IS WORKIN!
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You see your poundage claims are meaningless unless we can see what kind of form you use so why bother? I see way too many people doing partial reps and thinking they are doing the weight, or using everything but the intended muscle in an effort to heave the weights around, it makes me laugh. The only thing they are training is their ego.
Glad to hear things are going good though.
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You see your poundage claims are meaningless unless we can see what kind of form you use so why bother? I see way too many people doing partial reps and thinking they are doing the weight, or using everything but the intended muscle in an effort to heave the weights around, it makes me laugh. The only thing they are training is their ego.
Glad to hear things are going good though.
The old addage, partial reps
partial development.
Not HOW MUCH weight but
how you press the weight
that r e a l l y counts . . .
No offense meant Tex
but the numbers inlcuding
body fat reference are of
little actual validity.
Figures can lie and
liers CAN figure.
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oh i'm not insulted or upset by comments i get on here...
i've stated numerous times on this board that i use a smith machine for my overheads for more power and less worry and only go to a hair past 90* and no deeper...
i'ts not like the weight it resting on my traps at the bottom. :P but i'm gonna try to get my buddy to come with me with his dv camcorder and film a few.
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Observation is very good,
videotaping is a good idea
to see (check) your form.
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Yeah Tex we are not tying to discourage or offend you. I was just making comments about some of the things I see in my gym as Im sure mem was too. I like your idea of posting a cycle log.
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well it will not only give me an idea as to what i gained and/or lost when it's all said and done. I will also post pics when it's all said and done...but that will be awhile. If i got easily insulted or hurt I don't think i'd be apart of getbig ;D
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update for this week! ;D
Whatever sides that flared up while on the dbol has since disappeared! I've also up'd my dosage once i got off the dbol to 450mg of test e a week...I'm not taking anymore than that because my body seems to be responding to it well enough and any more than that seems to be wasteful! your body can only use so much at once correct? I'd also hate to burn out my body's receptors, etc. before i ever reach the olympia stage! ;) ;D *sarcasm* Seems to be my gamble was correct when i started this cycle. No real need for lots of drugs if you can find the smallest dosage needed to get results! I've since dropped down the weight i'm using in a few exercises as well...It seems my muscles are fast overpowering my tendons and ligaments to the point where obvious tendonitis is flaring up here and there! So backing off has been the order for now! weighed in at 227 this morning too...seems that I can't fit enough food in my mouth. BF percentage has only gone up one more point so i'm converting the food well it seems. Strength is still growing at a fairly impressive rate and My legs are growing so fast that i've gone to working my legs only once a week instead of twice. The only problem I'm finding with all this added weight gain is the down sides TO weight gain. I'm finding myself short of breath alot faster than usual and takes a minute or so longer to recover after a strenuous boxing session,etc. I'm thinking i should up my cardio even more to 30-45 minutes 4 times a week to get back into it! sitting at 227 now...it seems I might be able to hit 210-215 cut easy enough! or is that just wishful thinking?
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weight update...my scale was off by 5lbs at home. I used the doc's scale for the initial weigh in in the beginning and have been using the bathroom scale every morning when I feel like checking myself out...i always thought it was spot on...wrong. I went to the original scale I had used intitially and it read 234! I went home and put a 5lb weight on the scale and it would read anywhere from 2lbs to not moving at all! ??? ??? my strength seems to have hit a plateau as well...which i was kinda expecting..but the overall weight gains made in my movements so far have made me more than happy if nothing else happens.
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Observation is very good,
videotaping is a good idea
to see (check) your form.
Yeah, I agree. I had my wife videotape my split for the week and I found a few things that needed to be tweaked. It's a much better idea than hiring a trainer who is probably going to tell you everything you already know. So for more experienced people the only purpose a trainer would serve would be to critique you form.
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Its a good idea sometimes to get an experienced person you trust, cause experience does not always equate to knowledge. I had been squatting for 15+ years, always a good squatter, short with big legs. Anyhow I was talking to this old power lifter one day telling him when I squat heavy I had been injuring my knees a lot lately. Well he said lets check you form. Turns out I was what he called a knee squatter. The problem was the first thing I was doing in the initiation of the squat was breaking with my knees. He told me the first thing that should move should be my ass, dropping that ass first is important for proper form and minimizing the stress on the knees. Also trying to keep your weight on your heels.
So an old dog was able to teach this younger old dog some new tricks. Yep a good idea if you are having problems especially, to have someone observe you.
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those that are talking about viewing videos of yourselfs working...
i noticed that i keep my injured or what was once my injured shoulder on my right side tucked into my body more than my left side....my right elbow and arm come closer to my body during the exercise than my left. Apparenlty i automatically compensated for it to keep it outta the way..so i'm moving down in weight and really focusing on my position in EVERYTHING chest and benching related. I'm also staying under 300lbs on the seated overhead presses and sticking to 275 for higher reps instead...and besides...if i'm not building size with 275lbs i might as well quit :P ;D
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also and update on what i'm doing..i've got 6 weeks left worth of test at the dose i'm taking...as of right now i feel like i'm putting on alot of solid weight but i know i'm obviously getting fatter..it's part of it. So the rest of the time, i'm gonna go back to the way i was eating before i started and just eat MORE that way. My protien intake is going up to 300-400grams a day depending on availability. I'm increasing the protein and cutting back on the carbs and especially fats. Carbs are gonna be limited to early morning to get me going and pre and post workout and that's it. Trying for about 100-200 a day to help with protein breakdown and energy and still try to keep my cal intake up there at about 3500+ where it has been but without all the pizza or burger here and there. People are really starting to notice the size i've put on...and so is my wardrobe.
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Its a good idea sometimes to get an experienced person you trust, cause experience does not always equate to knowledge. I had been squatting for 15+ years, always a good squatter, short with big legs. Anyhow I was talking to this old power lifter one day telling him when I squat heavy I had been injuring my knees a lot lately. Well he said lets check you form. Turns out I was what he called a knee squatter. The problem was the first thing I was doing in the initiation of the squat was breaking with my knees. He told me the first thing that should move should be my ass, dropping that ass first is important for proper form and minimizing the stress on the knees. Also trying to keep your weight on your heels.
So an old dog was able to teach this younger old dog some new tricks. Yep a good idea if you are having problems especially, to have someone observe you.
Good post...
i had the same problem...this is why i always tell people to break at the hips and the knees will follow.
i got stronger about 1 month after i started to squat correctly...
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You see your poundage claims are meaningless unless we can see what kind of form you use so why bother? I see way too many people doing partial reps and thinking they are doing the weight, or using everything but the intended muscle in an effort to heave the weights around, it makes me laugh. The only thing they are training is their ego.
Concur.
I see this in every type of lifter I encounter.
Whether it's recreational lifters or even heavy lifters.
Form is what keeps you injury free and builds true strength.
Allowing the muscles, tendons, ligaments, joints to move the way they were intended in unison.
These partial reps are not true movements, but static in nature and can lead to injury if not corrected.
Full range of motion is what the body was meant to do, as that would be the case if you were a primitive living in the wild and had to move things out of your way, or in some cases off of you in order to survive.
I think people forget what the functionality of the muscles are and what they were intended for.
It wasn't to lift weights, it was to lift WHATEVER in order to survive.
Not two inches, but feet at a time in some cases.
Its a good idea sometimes to get an experienced person you trust, cause experience does not always equate to knowledge. I had been squatting for 15+ years, always a good squatter, short with big legs. Anyhow I was talking to this old power lifter one day telling him when I squat heavy I had been injuring my knees a lot lately. Well he said lets check you form. Turns out I was what he called a knee squatter. The problem was the first thing I was doing in the initiation of the squat was breaking with my knees. He told me the first thing that should move should be my ass, dropping that ass first is important for proper form and minimizing the stress on the knees. Also trying to keep your weight on your heels.
So an old dog was able to teach this younger old dog some new tricks. Yep a good idea if you are having problems especially, to have someone observe you.
The squats are all about the glutes, quads and stabilization muscles.....
It should feel like you're trying to sit down with the weight, your knees mainly there as stabilization.
If too much of the weight is bearing on your knees, you're leaning forward too much.
Spine should be tilted slightly and form should be compact.
DIV
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weighed 238 this morning. Even with the diet change, I'm still putting on the weight. Seems to be progressing just as fast as it was before. The protein intake has given me a more "powerful" feeling throughout the day and during my workouts instead of just eating "whatever".
I'm tuning my training up abit too as i go along..seems that certain things require adjustments when other areas gain really fast. No stretch marks so far which i'm happy with and no more signs of sides! People are starting to notice and question wether or not i'm using anymore...lol
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weighed 238 this morning. Even with the diet change, I'm still putting on the weight. Seems to be progressing just as fast as it was before. The protein intake has given me a more "powerful" feeling throughout the day and during my workouts instead of just eating "whatever".
I'm tuning my training up abit too as i go along..seems that certain things require adjustments when other areas gain really fast. No stretch marks so far which i'm happy with and no more signs of sides! People are starting to notice and question wether or not i'm using anymore...lol
What people say and what they are thinking are not necessarily the same thing.
It doesn't matter what people say, it matters what they do.
People can think you look like shit and still give you compliments to your face.
If you really want the truth, look at people's non-verbals.
If you look better than most guys or lift more weight, many of them will dislike you simply because they perceive you to be better than them.
That, more than anything is a real sign that you are progressing.
DIV
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i get alot of people staring all the time...and alot of trainers at the gym and people that have gone for awhile asking me this and that and wanting me to help them here and there. It's funny because most of the machines or stations i've been maxing out...I'VE BEEN MAXING out before i started using. I'm loving the way i'm feeling on test...both mentally and physically.
welcome back div.
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i get alot of people staring all the time...and alot of trainers at the gym and people that have gone for awhile asking me this and that and wanting me to help them here and there. It's funny because most of the machines or stations i've been maxing out...I'VE BEEN MAXING out before i started using. I'm loving the way i'm feeling on test...both mentally and physically.
welcome back div.
I get some lifters who ask me for advice on certain bodyparts, mostly traps or pecs.....but most people don't interrupt me during training.
I don't look like someone that wants to be interrupted if you know what I mean.
I rarely talk to people at the gym......not there for friendships or women.
I work out at LA Fitness so that is part of it......I am the type of person you'd expect at Golds.
You can be strong whether you are on AAS or not, it's just that you have less recovery time and feel alot better on than off.
I also can get in more heavy volume when I'm on.
All that hard work I did when I was younger, all those intensive workouts paved the way for what I'm doing now.
I'd rather have it this way than if I'd used AAS when I was nineteen or twenty.
DIV
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I work out at LA Fitness so that is part of it......I am the type of person you'd expect at Golds.
LOL you sound like me..with headphones in i normally just stare at the floor or nod at someone i know and keep going...but there's always alot of bullshitter who love to socialize at LA..it's like the mickey mouse club there later in the day.
I'm worried about losing some of the volume i've been working at when on when i come off..my back day especially..i'm finally getting my back to thicken up and grow like i've tried....just this past tuesday my back day looked like.
seated cable rows: 3 sets of 12 reps with 305
t-bars: 3 sets of 12 with 7 plates (no more room for more sadly..i think i'm going to hafta go to a corner with a barbell)
hammer strength one arm rows (similar to one arm dumbbell rows) 6 plates per side for 3 sets of 10...i'm sure you know what i'm talking about...that machine where you row from deep down below and pull up while facing forward...i work this exercise unilaterally because I can't do 6 plates per side while pulling both and come back as far into my body.
and a set of light pullovers to finish it out...
I don't really see myself doing THAT when i come off...
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LOL you sound like me..with headphones in i normally just stare at the floor or nod at someone i know and keep going...but there's always alot of bullshitter who love to socialize at LA..it's like the mickey mouse club there later in the day.
I'm worried about losing some of the volume i've been working at when on when i come off..my back day especially..i'm finally getting my back to thicken up and grow like i've tried....just this past tuesday my back day looked like.
seated cable rows: 3 sets of 12 reps with 305
t-bars: 3 sets of 12 with 7 plates (no more room for more sadly..i think i'm going to hafta go to a corner with a barbell)
hammer strength one arm rows (similar to one arm dumbbell rows) 6 plates per side for 3 sets of 10...i'm sure you know what i'm talking about...that machine where you row from deep down below and pull up while facing forward...i work this exercise unilaterally because I can't do 6 plates per side while pulling both and come back as far into my body.
and a set of light pullovers to finish it out...
I don't really see myself doing THAT when i come off...
My workout is alot different than yours.
I have two different back days.
I alternate.
I do DL every other week and another back exercise that day.
The other week I do the Hammerstrength pulldown for six sets, then six sets of shrugs, and maybe close-grip pulldowns last as a burnout.
All my lifts end in maxes, so I get the full exhaustion in.
I never do any exercise for less than 4 sets......ever and that doesn't include the warmup set.
When you come off you will lose some strength gains but not all of it. The main thing you will notice is that you don't have the same stamina at the higher weights and you won't get the same number of reps for all sets.
You will lose some size as well......but your strength will stay for the most part.
As far as socializing in the gym, you know, the more I concentrate on my workout, the more women try to flirt with me.
There are a couple regulars who I could probably pick up if I wanted, but I'm not there for that.
If they want attention, there are plenty of limpdicks hanging around.
The problem is, they want the guys who are serious lifters.....not the pretenders.
DIV
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Good posts guys...i get alot of stares as well. after a really heavy set i notice alot of people just standing there like "holy shit"...most gym people have never seen big weights moved by guys that only weight 230. most of the fat juiced up bastards can't hang and do forced reps with what i rep. alot of cold looks from guys bigger than me but alot weaker...almost like they are jealous or in denial.
i notice the trainers always give me bad looks but once there is eye to eye contact they look away. then they will all come within 20 feet of me when i'm doing deadlifts, but never bother me, i ignore them completely, act like they aren't even there. a friend of mine overheard a trainer say "watch this guy hurt himself" when i had 545 on the floor. i pulled it for a solid triple and his jaw literally dropped. my friend told me that after the lift and i laughed. most trainers at gyms know jack shit.
women don't come up to me often probably because i have headphones on as well and i sweat so bad when i'm training but i get alot of stares and smiles from them...women like strong men. i've made it a point to keep relationships out of the gym where i train.
at my old powerlifting gym i was a regular joe with a decent deadlift. at the LA by my work i haven't seen anyone stronger than me yet. feels good!!!
Texasrush - just keep showing them how us texas boys do it. train like an animal on and off the juice...that's how you get it done. don't worry about your bodyweight too much, you will go crazy. i weigh myself once a week.
nice to have div back, we think alike...
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Good posts guys...i get alot of stares as well. after a really heavy set i notice alot of people just standing there like "holy shit"...most gym people have never seen big weights moved by guys that only weight 230. most of the fat juiced up bastards can't hang and do forced reps with what i rep. alot of cold looks from guys bigger than me but alot weaker...almost like they are jealous or in denial.
i notice the trainers always give me bad looks but once there is eye to eye contact they look away. then they will all come within 20 feet of me when i'm doing deadlifts, but never bother me, i ignore them completely, act like they aren't even there. a friend of mine overheard a trainer say "watch this guy hurt himself" when i had 545 on the floor. i pulled it for a solid triple and his jaw literally dropped. my friend told me that after the lift and i laughed. most trainers at gyms know jack shit.
women don't come up to me often probably because i have headphones on as well and i sweat so bad when i'm training but i get alot of stares and smiles from them...women like strong men. i've made it a point to keep relationships out of the gym where i train.
at my old powerlifting gym i was a regular joe with a decent deadlift. at the LA by my work i haven't seen anyone stronger than me yet. feels good!!!
Texasrush - just keep showing them how us texas boys do it. train like an animal on and off the juice...that's how you get it done. don't worry about your bodyweight too much, you will go crazy. i weigh myself once a week.
nice to have div back, we think alike...
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I have to admit, some of the women who flirt with me are pretty serious lifters and cute, but I don't mix business and pleasure.
It's a temptation, but I don't get distracted.
If they were that interested, they'd find another way to let me know.
Most women do like strong men.....it's a primal need.
They want that security that comes with it.
They don't even know it, they just know they're attracted.
DIV
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My girlfriend said the first time she saw me with my shirt off whe wanted to rape me...lol
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lmao thats' what my gf says all the time!
if i wasn't sleeping with you already...i'd rape you. ;D
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so far so good...just a few more weeks away from being done and starting the hard part of this whole thing! ;D looking in the mirror i'm very excited..i can't wait to show you guys some pics of the end results! :)
i'm sitting at 238 solid still...i've stopped putting weight as fast..i'm thinking it would require me to eat more food and i might have reached max size for the amount of intake i've been at.
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Don't limit yourself...
if you want to get bigger, you can without upping the dose.
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yeah i'm not upping the dose at all..i feel like i've made alot of progress on the dose i'm at. The solution to this would be to eat more food. I'm thinking i'll up the clean carbs since i've already up'd the protien. I've got..i think 5 more weeks of shots left. 245+ is doable :) I'm still floating around 13-14% bf now..the bf is going up a little bit but started moving upwards more so when i started taking in alot more protien.
both arms measuring 18" now! unilateral training has paid off! one arm has more tri and less peak and the other makes up for the lack of tri's with more peak height..i'm curious as to what they'll burn down to when i start to cut. They look thick in the mirror...but when i bring it down i bet they'll look overall better and not just big. I measured with a string and then measured the string with a tape after. so it's a 3/4" gain from when i started! :)
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yeah i'm not upping the dose at all..i feel like i've made alot of progress on the dose i'm at. The solution to this would be to eat more food. I'm thinking i'll up the clean carbs since i've already up'd the protien. I've got..i think 5 more weeks of shots left. 245+ is doable :) I'm still floating around 13-14% bf now..the bf is going up a little bit but started moving upwards more so when i started taking in alot more protien.
both arms measuring 18" now! unilateral training has paid off! one arm has more tri and less peak and the other makes up for the lack of tri's with more peak height..i'm curious as to what they'll burn down to when i start to cut. They look thick in the mirror...but when i bring it down i bet they'll look overall better and not just big. I measured with a string and then measured the string with a tape after. so it's a 3/4" gain from when i started! :)
So you're using 600MG Test-E ew?
That's moderate, not bad at all......
Still at the point where you can cycle off and not really lose much.
It's when you start going over 1G ew that you risk that huge drop when coming off as your body tries to regain homeostasis.
This is why you see guys look huge seasonally, but shrivel to average or less than average when they come off.
That's not healthy for the mind or body.
DIV
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i'm taking 450mg a week..not 600
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i'm taking 450mg a week..not 600
Still Moderate.........just enough to give a taste of what Test feels like.
Not enough to show any sides.
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I like it! makes me curious as to what i'd feel or see if i went to 600mg a week alone or hell even run some deca with it next time! i think that's gonna be the plan once i come off. Run either the same dose or abit higher of test with about 300mg of deca with it. I thought about running deca during THIS cycle but could never get ahold of any in time to make it count for much. :-\ I'm doing tons more research on the chemical makeup of the drugs now too...if my body reacted and showed sides easily with moderate dosages of dbol, then staying away from compounds like it is something I feel that i should consider.
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I like it! makes me curious as to what i'd feel or see if i went to 600mg a week alone or hell even run some deca with it next time! i think that's gonna be the plan once i come off. Run either the same dose or abit higher of test with about 300mg of deca with it. I thought about running deca during THIS cycle but could never get ahold of any in time to make it count for much. :-\ I'm doing tons more research on the chemical makeup of the drugs now too...if my body reacted and showed sides easily with moderate dosages of dbol, then staying away from compounds like it is something I feel that i should consider.
You're going about it the right way, a testing phase for different compounds. This is what I did when I started as well, though I made a couple mistakes along the way.
You might want to look in to a Test/Deca/Winstrol cycle.
It's a good syngergistic blend for overall strength and size.
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today i've started my new cycle.
my stack: dbol 30mg ed for 4-6 wks
test-e 200mg etd (every third day ) 10 wks (12 if i feel like i could use it )
the proper precautions and pct are setup so i'm good there.
starting points:
weight: 215@12%bf
strenght stats as of now:
squat:525 to parallel, leg press 1250 for 3 sets of 10 to finish the set
deadlift: 485
bench: 435 max...but am looking for reps. as of now 365 for 8
bnp: 325 max...shooting for 300 for 6
i'll take measurements later this evening. can someone tell me how to post photos? or do i hafta host them and link them to this site? ???
current caloric intake: 2500...so on cycle i'm shooting for 3500 a day for the duration of the usage
you forgot to add that all of your "lifts" are on the Smith Machine.
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you forgot to add that all of your "lifts" are on the Smith Machine.
Settle down, Mirzy....
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Its a good idea sometimes to get an experienced person you trust, cause experience does not always equate to knowledge. I had been squatting for 15+ years, always a good squatter, short with big legs. Anyhow I was talking to this old power lifter one day telling him when I squat heavy I had been injuring my knees a lot lately. Well he said lets check you form. Turns out I was what he called a knee squatter. The problem was the first thing I was doing in the initiation of the squat was breaking with my knees. He told me the first thing that should move should be my ass, dropping that ass first is important for proper form and minimizing the stress on the knees. Also trying to keep your weight on your heels.
So an old dog was able to teach this younger old dog some new tricks. Yep a good idea if you are having problems especially, to have someone observe you.
this is absolutely true. imo, there's only one way to squat and that is this way.
the problem is that bbers have fucked up the squat with the whole quad emphasis. good in theory, but you're much better off in the long run squatting the way the p/lifters do (or similar). more weight - less problems = more functional strength.
brings me to my next point. texas, i don't know if you're a competitive fighter or not (u've posted a lot on mma training, etc so i'm assuming u r), but you might want to be careful with your juicing and how you train.
the simple fact is that pro fighters use gear (in spite of what is officially stated). however, as impressive as your lifts are, they are a disaster for just about every ma(martial arts).
bp and mp, especially with max poundages, are terrible for ma especially striking eg. boxing. the damage they do to your stabilizers and rotators are not worth all that success in the gym. you will kill your technique (range and plane of motion) and have inhibiting scar tissue that, when combined with all the ballistic training of ma, will kill your career.
if you must bp you should absolutely minimise rotation of the shoulders and avoid overtraining the area. yes you can even with aas. a lot of that strength gain is because of water retention which is going to be useless in a fight and you're going to feel it anyway when you get your weight down for fight night.
heavy press behind neck is a total disaster for the shoulders. with boxing, etc added it's not a case of if you will damage your shoulders, it's when.
heavy squats and dlifts are great, especially for wrestling. although short term ie if you're sparring, running etc they will be a bitch and mobility and agility will be an issue. might want to think about periodization of some type..
stamina is always going to be an issue when you add muscle weight (water, tissue, etc). it's actually even worse than gaining fat when it comes to stamina because it just uses too much energy too quickly.
stretching and economy of movement become more important as you gain muscle weight.
don't take this as a flame. i'm not criticising (your lifts are awesome). just take it as friendly advice you can take or leave. at the very least i would get some advice from a strength and conditioning coach within the industry.
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yeah it's constructive criticism that i'm looking at. you've got very valid points and yes i'm looking at competing on a higher level in mma here within the next few months. The scar tissue and loss of range, etc. you've mentioned has all been the case with me. When talking to the doc, he said that all my shoulder problems weren't rotator or ligaments, etc...they were from scaring from years of TENNIS of all things! the roll and pop/ grinding i feel is from THAT! who'd have thought!
I'm taking it as it all comes in stride. The only major problems i'm finding with following my usual workouts is that i have a problem with gas'n during fights from all the weight gained. :-\
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i'm now starting to get a little over 240...today was 242 but i'm starting to look overall FATTER instead of just thicker. So the duration of this cycle which is about another 4-5 weeks i'm gonna start trying to cut down unless that seems like a bad idea from those with more experience. I'm planning on maintaining my water intake and significantly upping the protien to 300+ grams a day while cutting out alot of carbs and junk from the diet. Meat, shakes, and veggies and see if i can' get it down to about 225-230 and see if I like the look. I haven't really seen it myself since i look in the mirror everyday but those that haven't seen me in awhile have noticed the size gain and are floored...i chalk it up to eating habits! :D I think cutting down at this time in the cycle with still 4 more shots to go would be a smart idea. Allowing me to use what gear i've got left to help maintain the muscle I have without losing too much of it in the cutting process. This will be the first time i've ever taken a cutting diet seriously in regards to not just losing weight but maintaining hard earned muscle. I'm happy with the results and feel like i've gotten my money's worth for what i've put into it. I think taking 3-4 weeks to try and lose 10 or so lbs of fat can't be too much to ask can it? ???
Ideas guys? I'm appreciative of all the help i've gotten to this point and feel that i've learned alot more from this one cycle than the ones in the past!
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this is absolutely true. imo, there's only one way to squat and that is this way.
the problem is that bbers have fucked up the squat with the whole quad emphasis. good in theory, but you're much better off in the long run squatting the way the p/lifters do (or similar). more weight - less problems = more functional strength.
brings me to my next point. texas, i don't know if you're a competitive fighter or not (u've posted a lot on mma training, etc so i'm assuming u r), but you might want to be careful with your juicing and how you train.
the simple fact is that pro fighters use gear (in spite of what is officially stated). however, as impressive as your lifts are, they are a disaster for just about every ma(martial arts).
bp and mp, especially with max poundages, are terrible for ma especially striking eg. boxing. the damage they do to your stabilizers and rotators are not worth all that success in the gym. you will kill your technique (range and plane of motion) and have inhibiting scar tissue that, when combined with all the ballistic training of ma, will kill your career.
if you must bp you should absolutely minimise rotation of the shoulders and avoid overtraining the area. yes you can even with aas. a lot of that strength gain is because of water retention which is going to be useless in a fight and you're going to feel it anyway when you get your weight down for fight night.
heavy press behind neck is a total disaster for the shoulders. with boxing, etc added it's not a case of if you will damage your shoulders, it's when.
heavy squats and dlifts are great, especially for wrestling. although short term ie if you're sparring, running etc they will be a bitch and mobility and agility will be an issue. might want to think about periodization of some type..
stamina is always going to be an issue when you add muscle weight (water, tissue, etc). it's actually even worse than gaining fat when it comes to stamina because it just uses too much energy too quickly.
stretching and economy of movement become more important as you gain muscle weight.
don't take this as a flame. i'm not criticising (your lifts are awesome). just take it as friendly advice you can take or leave. at the very least i would get some advice from a strength and conditioning coach within the industry.
Alot of valid points. As an outsider to MMA/fighting, I have to agree on everything you've said. The mobility and versatility needed in that sport pretty much negate the need for massive size.
TexasRush would be better off training as a powerlifter strictly and forgetting about size altogether. That is, keeping his BF% low and working strictly on strength movements, but not volume. That will keep his bulk to a minimum and utilize more of the CNS versus the muscular endurance fibers of the muscle.
Periodization is also needed if he wants to fully utilize his strength and apply it to fighting.
Incorporate more plyometrics in to his routine and while only focusing on bench, squats and deads for weightlifting movements.
That's what I'd do if I was in his position.
i'm now starting to get a little over 240...today was 242 but i'm starting to look overall FATTER instead of just thicker. So the duration of this cycle which is about another 4-5 weeks i'm gonna start trying to cut down unless that seems like a bad idea from those with more experience. I'm planning on maintaining my water intake and significantly upping the protien to 300+ grams a day while cutting out alot of carbs and junk from the diet. Meat, shakes, and veggies and see if i can' get it down to about 225-230 and see if I like the look. I haven't really seen it myself since i look in the mirror everyday but those that haven't seen me in awhile have noticed the size gain and are floored...i chalk it up to eating habits! :D I think cutting down at this time in the cycle with still 4 more shots to go would be a smart idea. Allowing me to use what gear i've got left to help maintain the muscle I have without losing too much of it in the cutting process. This will be the first time i've ever taken a cutting diet seriously in regards to not just losing weight but maintaining hard earned muscle. I'm happy with the results and feel like i've gotten my money's worth for what i've put into it. I think taking 3-4 weeks to try and lose 10 or so lbs of fat can't be too much to ask can it? ???
Ideas guys? I'm appreciative of all the help i've gotten to this point and feel that i've learned alot more from this one cycle than the ones in the past!
Cut your diet slowly, otherwise it will shock your body and catabolize the muscle. Dieting is a slow process.....
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posted a pic in the pics section but it turned out to be kinda small... :-\
HUGE difference between the old one a few months ago and the current one as of now. I put on alot of size all around. INCLUDING around my gut. BUT if i can get back down to the same bodyfat percentage and be at 225 instead of 203 like before i started taking bulking seriously...i'd be THRILLED
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posted a pic in the pics section but it turned out to be kinda small... :-\
HUGE difference between the old one a few months ago and the current one as of now. I put on alot of size all around. INCLUDING around my gut. BUT if i can get back down to the same bodyfat percentage and be at 225 instead of 203 like before i started taking bulking seriously...i'd be THRILLED
....don't be in such a RUSH, bro.
At that same BF% you'll be around 210-218lbs, give or take.
This is what will happen.
Let me know at the end if I was right.
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....don't be in such a RUSH, bro.
At that same BF% you'll be around 210-218lbs, give or take.
This is what will happen.
Let me know at the end if I was right.
DIV
Thats what I went down to and then said screw it, I will never dawn the Banana Hammock, so i went up in BF% and weight as well. Not fat just don't see all 6 abs just the top 4.
210-218 might be generous at that BF%, IMO, but that truly depends on his diet as well.
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Thats what I went down to and then said screw it, I will never dawn the Banana Hammock, so i went up in BF% and weight as well. Not fat just don't see all 6 abs just the top 4.
210-218 might be generous at that BF%, IMO, but that truly depends on his diet as well.
Without seeing his genetic structure, diet and training I can only give a rough estimate.
Worst case, he'll gain about seven pounds of LBM....
At best he'll gain about fifteen, and yes.....all at the same BF% as before.
AAS do work, if you put the time and energy in to making them work.
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