Who's doing the webcast?
It will be refreshing to see more athlets from all over the world and all federations.
Strong and Shapely...what a bad name for a gym.
how many ifbb shows sell out chick
bit low dont you think
None...and no one claims they do.
Onlyme has been on here for weeks insisting they are "almost sold out"....
None...and no one claims they do.
Onlyme has been on here for weeks insisting they are "almost sold out"....
Just "keeping it real"....
BigMC-
Half full of free tickets is a success??
Just "keeping it real"....
BigMC-
Half full of free tickets is a success??
The last Olympia I was at had maybe 2000 people in Mandalay. That thing has to hold 8-10,000. the place looked empty...
240-
You make it sound like I made it up...facts are facts. If this were posted in reference to a IFBB event...you would've been all over it like white on rice....
If that is Waynes strategy...God bless him. I believe it tends to show the interest level...
Can you give any reason for posting this, other than to embarass Wayne?
Why would it embarass Wayne?
I'm, sure he has a game plan like the one you outlined...this aint his first rodeo.
It's posted as fact...giving a false impression to athletes that may be considering joining this organization, wouldn't be in their best interest now, would it?
Why would it embarass Wayne?
I'm, sure he has a game plan like the one you outlined...this aint his first rodeo.
It's posted as fact...giving a false impression to athletes that may be considering joining this organization, wouldn't be in their best interest now, would it?
If the Colo Pro had given away 5,000 tickets this year, they would have lost less money (that means they spend way less on advertising and sales admin). Since everyone who went loved the show, they're help their 3-year goals tremendously, as the next years' show would have great numbers.
That being said, I'm just at a loss of words. I will literally be shocked if you can get five of your peers to post here and say what you did was a classy move. I will be shocked if you can convince five people to put their reputations on the line to say you did an honorable thing by posting that.
I am really disappointed, man. You take nonstop shots at Wayne anytime you're near a mic, then you post this, along with "Just "keeping it real"...."
Do your thing. Do what you feel is right. I am at a loss for words.
You see...thats where you fail to see the light, 240...no one cares (least of all me) what YOU think.
Leading bbers down the primrose path of promises, guest posings, appearances, and delusions of grandeur... isn't doing them any favors. They have a right to know what is before them, and the REALITY of the situation.
If they are privvy to the truth, then they are more apt to make a wise decision reguarding their future...
Don't you find it a little strange that guys are dropping out one after another, all citing the same reasons? Ask Vince, Vinny, TJ, etc. WHY they have all decided to re-consider...
I thought for a minute you had the best intersts of the Bodybuilders in mind...you obviously don't.
I know that YOU are not accusing ME of having an agenda that goes against the BBers. If you haven't noticed, I'm probably the loudest one arguing for right to earn $ outside of IFBB, while you parrot the rulebook. I am forever pointing out that the raise in Olympia money this year is below the inflationary rate - meaning they are actually getting LESS money this year than last. You're throwing your shoulder out patting yourself on the back for the money increase.
Please tell me - why didn't you call or email the IFBB/PDI guys with this information.
Why did you choose to post it?
If the Colo Pro had given away 5,000 tickets this year, they would have lost less money (that means they spend way less on advertising and sales admin). Since everyone who went loved the show, they're help their 3-year goals tremendously, as the next years' show would have great numbers.Huh?
Huh?
Not everything in your MBA books applies to "the real world".
Please pass the pipe Rob.
You shit all over my grassroots sales suggestion too, til Shawn said after the show that he should have done that.I didn't shit all over anything but you claiming to know how to promote a show.
Fact is, if you had given away 5000 tickets to this year's show, you would have saved a lot of resources on advertising and admin. if you had allowed fans to get them online for free, or in their gyms, you would have had full capacity, and with all the comps and savings, yo wouldn't have lost that much $ this year. but the rerun next year would have been awesome.
i hear that everyone who went, loved it, and will be back. So, I contend that if you had convinced 5000 people to cram that place, you would be selling a hell of a lot more tix next year, with advertising no more aggressive than a subtle reminder.
it's much like the store grand opening that will have specials which sell below cost to get the person in the door that first time. You might operate in the red show 1, but you'll be paid back in spade show 2, plus you'll have that goodwill that comes from being the Bbing show that "Hooked Denfer teh F up!"
I didn't shit all over anything but you claiming to know how to promote a show.
Step up and do one once and then you will see all your theories are great on paper but don't translate to reality.
Getbiggers,
Let's be honest above all else. Say what you want about Wayne giving tickets away to build goodwill or encourage interest in the sport. The bottom line is that they can't sell any tickets for this show. Local shows sell tickets to the competitors' friends, families, and people from their gym. IFBB shows sell tickets to fans who see these guys on magazine covers. The Night of Champions has neither. 90% of the competitors are from overseas. I don't know too many friends/families/gymrats who would pay $1500 for airfare/hotel/meals//tickets and deal with airport security and visa hassles just to watch a guy compete in a bodybuilding show. This ain't the Olympics fellas.
The real deal is that Wayne is giving away tickets he knows will go unsold. In other words, the entire balcony and mezzanine and rear orchestra. I am a bodybuilding fan in NYC. I've been to the NOC several times. Why would I go this year? Why would I pay $60 - $200 to see guys I've never heard of, seen or met? Because some of these guys are huge?? Big deal. I can see huge IFBB Pros for $10 at the Arnold Expo in person.
If Wayne wanted to generate interest in bodybuilding or build goodwill, he would have priced the tickets at a more reasonable amount like $20-30 to make it accessible for the average gymgoer. He would have set aside tickets for children or teen groups months ago, instead of at the last minute.
The bottom line is this: Wayne blew it. More miscalculations than an Iraq invasion. He didn't recruit IFBB Pros. He didn't hire a staff. He tried to do it all by himself. He got greedy. He thought he could make easy money. He thought he could sell the gay community by banking on the past goodwill of the name "Night of Champions". He thought Lee Priest and Vince Taylor would lead the cavalry. He thought ignorant people would buy tickets to the NOC expecting to see guys like Victor Martinez, Melvin Anthony, Markus Ruhl, and other names. He told people that Shawn's Colorado Pro show was going to be cancelled. He tried to sell us on the idea of aesthetic physiques and then made a guy named 'Rhino' his first signing. He had me going for a while until I realized that this was about nothing more than him making a bunch of money for himself. Nothing wrong with that, but don't act like you're trying to change the game or better the sport when it's really just about fattening your own wallet.
Giving away free tickets is a known tactic in the concert/theater/sport business to help a promoter save face from having an empty arena/auditorium. Nothing more and nothing less.
Peace!
Special "Raw and Uncensored" Ed
The Olympis generally draws between 5-6,000...couldn't tell you how many are comped. Last year, we drew over 6,000, and expect to draw over 7,000 this year.
240-
You make it sound like I made it up...facts are facts. If this were posted in reference to a IFBB event...you would've been all over it like white on rice....
If that is Waynes strategy...God bless him. I believe it tends to show the interest level...
Apparantly, I'm still on Demilitia's email list from the Expo a few years ago..... ::)
Keith you got some explaining to do, fatboy. You said it was almost sold out!!!!
I love how you word things. The Olympia genarlly draws between 5-6,000. How many was therelast year. From all accounts on here there were way less than that. Are you counting the expo too. Please CHic your loyalty to the IFBB in nice but you support a piece of shit organization with allot of false hopes and corruption.
Apparantly, I'm still on Demilitia's email list from the Expo a few years ago..... ::)Vince are you saying that you also got this email from demilia? Damn its a shame chick just beat you to it or you would have had a real scoop on your hands ::)
Keith you got some explaining to do, fatboy. You said it was almost sold out!!!!
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Friends:
My friend Wayne DeMilia has a Pro Bodybuilding Championship (The Night of
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This year is the first time the Pro Division is introducing serious drug
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We are working to get young people interested in the sport again and Wayne
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Vince are you saying that you also got this email from demilia? Damn its a shame chick just beat you to it or you would have had a real scoop on your hands ::)
You see...thats where you fail to see the light, 240...no one cares (least of all me) what YOU think.
Leading bbers down the primrose path of promises, guest posings, appearances, and delusions of grandeur... isn't doing them any favors. They have a right to know what is before them, and the REALITY of the situation.
If they are privvy to the truth, then they are more apt to make a wise decision reguarding their future...
Don't you find it a little strange that guys are dropping out one after another, all citing the same reasons? Ask Vince, Vinny, TJ, etc. WHY they have all decided to re-consider...
I thought for a minute you had the best intersts of the Bodybuilders in mind...you obviously don't.
Chic,Of course not, why would he harm the organization that feeds him. It should be up to the PDI to dig up that information and broadcast it to the community. All's fair when it comes to business.
If Robin Chang had given away 500 tickets to the O, would you have run to getbig and told everyone to "Keep it reaL"?
Its hard to hear members of the IFBB be so hatefull and direct so much malice at the PDI.
I don't know why other fans and peers do not feel the same way?
Ever wonder how many Olympia Tickets are comped. Allot more than you think.
I can't wait!! Anyone here going??
Getbiggers,
Let's be honest above all else. Say what you want about Wayne giving tickets away to build goodwill or encourage interest in the sport. The bottom line is that they can't sell any tickets for this show. Local shows sell tickets to the competitors' friends, families, and people from their gym. IFBB shows sell tickets to fans who see these guys on magazine covers. The Night of Champions has neither. 90% of the competitors are from overseas. I don't know too many friends/families/gymrats who would pay $1500 for airfare/hotel/meals//tickets and deal with airport security and visa hassles just to watch a guy compete in a bodybuilding show. This ain't the Olympics fellas.
The Olympis generally draws between 5-6,000...couldn't tell you how many are comped. Last year, we drew over 6,000, and expect to draw over 7,000 this year.
Special Ed is bang on. Wayne got greedy. The PDI could have been a shot in the, erm, glutes for bodybuilding - instead its looking shoddier by the minute. The ticket prices are simply outrageous. For that ammount of cash i could go and see Iron Maiden or Guns and Roses - and have enough money left over for a slap up meal and some beers.
This is like all the Walmart employees, laughing and dancing in the parking lot as the Target across the street closes. As they walk inside, Walmart mgmt laughs a bit louder.You used this analogy 3 months ago when you were trying to get everyone on board the PDI train. You and Keith went unsually mute the last few weeks when one would expect the direct opposite.
Why? Well, now Walmart mgmt is now able to lower wages, cut hours, and eliminate benefits. After all, where else can the employees work now? Mgmt no longer has to worry about keeping shoppers happy either, and raises prices. After all, there are no other places in town to shop!
Cashiers will giggle as they work for less. Customers will laugh as they pay more and wait in longer lines to buy from a lower selection. They'll all claim a victory. They'll high-five and thank their Union rep for chasing Target out of town.
Be careful what you wish for.
Lets be fair you could buy a GNR ticket but Axl's pussy cry baby ass wouldnt show up anyways. Go see GODSMACK instead, i got back from the show last night with Rob Zombie, it kicked asswhoa cool! Kill switch engage for me.
You used this analogy 3 months ago when you were trying to get everyone on board the PDI train. You and Keith went unsually mute the last few weeks when one would expect the direct opposite.
Web site was being proclaimed as bigger and better then anything the IFBB ever did - yet never happened.
PDI radio claimed to go live and tell the truth - never happened.
Show was nearly sold out for months - clearly not going to happen.
Mutliple am. shows to qualify - cancelled and shows never happened.
This is nothing more then pointing out facts. This isn't hating on the PDI, Wayne of the wannabe pros in the show. These are undisputable facts and you can spin it however you want but at the end of the day the facts are still there.
Bottom line is it give BBer's another option to compete.
No, I was trying to get everyone on the multiple federation train. And I made it clear to everyone that when the 3rd and 4rd new federations arrived, I'd support them too. With competition, whether it be in the form of PDI or whatever, the IFBB guys will get more money and benefits.When have you ever supported anything the IFBB did? You constantly attack Chic and everything about the IFBB. When's the last positive thing you said about the IFBB? You don't say anything about WABBA or NABBA, they are other organizations in bodybuilding but clearly not competition to the IFBB.
I never proclaimed this website's greatness, and I never knew anything about it. Don't attach it to me, please.
I was paid to build the site and I did. Obviously I'm not going to comment on something i was involved in, but I would absolutely encourage you to contact Wayne about this.
We're in agreement. I can't remember the last time any BBing show sold out. Can you?
Uh-huh... um I don't think this makes my WMT/TGT analogy any less valid. I obviously had nothing to do with any PDI am shows.
I'm not spinning a thing. My WMT/target example was used to illustrate the shortsighted thinking of those who will celebrate a one-party system when it comes to Bbing. I know they are the tit upon which you feast, and that's fine. But do not discredit my argument on competition by dissing the PDI, something I have no involvement with other than building sites. I build sites for horse vet medicine too, and I'd expect you wouldn't call me out if the kentucky Derby sucked. I build college websites. Ya can't bitch at me for the price of textbooks :)
Dispel it by attacking my core argument: Competition creates better working conditions for employees and customers. period.
When have you ever supported anything the IFBB did? You constantly attack Chic and everything about the IFBB. When's the last positive thing you said about the IFBB? You don't say anything about WABBA or NABBA, they are other organizations in bodybuilding but clearly not competition to the IFBB.
Why would you not comment on something you are involved in, you have no shame in promoting Lee Priest's web site every other thread and you're involved with that, or do you mean commenting on something that actually happens? ;)
The first NPC show I went to in Colorado was sold out. The 2001 Colorado State I had to buy a ticket off from someone outside. I agree most pro shows will never sell out but the IFBB has never claimed they would like Keith did repeatedly... "nearly sold out" for months now.
Haha "the tit in which I feast" is funny. I've never professed myself as anything but an IFBB supporter. You on the other hand, try to play both sides of the fence. I didn't say competition was bad, but I wouldn't call the PDI competition. I can call you a bitch for whoring yourself to anyone who has $300 can't I? lol. I'm not attacking your arguement, when there is competition so be it and let's have a discussion then. Until that time, your point falls on deaf ears, you can't honestly consider the PDI competition to the IFBB.
Just because there are other choices doesn't mean it is of equal value.
You kidding? I was all over 1fast400's Charlotte pro's sack. I gave mad props to the nice responsive guys at the AC. Europa got tons of love from me. And the wildcard show was an awesome idea.The wildcard show was stupid and a waste of time. In my opinion.
yea, I call chic out for stuff. IMO, he bullshits people too much, and he is an IFBB mgmt/athlete liason with the title Athletes Rep. Can you tell me I'm wrong? lol :) And SRay, yeah, the dude put up a poster in Oct for a May show, and 3/4 of the guys weren't on the stage and never had a contrct. That is false advertising. At least with the PDI, the men on the poster have a contract signed. But it's all good with shawn, he and I can debate points without negativity.
I love promoting Bbers and the sport. I post links to good BBing websites on all sorts of forums. I'll be arguing politics on a non-getbig board and use a pic of ronnie to make a point, and link it to getbig. I'll drop a pic of lee when someone mentions superman, and point it to lee's site. Growth, baby! The routers of the world are pinging my packets, and when they come here, business grows for all!
ok cool. i've been very careful to separate myself from politics recently, and I haven't beaten up on anyone in a while. me and bob even shook hands a few days back about our past arguments.
Correction - I only whore myself out for $300 to anyone who wants a fast, profitable, good looking website ;D And I agree 1000% the PDI, NABBA, or anyone else isn't on par with the IFBB. My contention was that as long as there are viable alternative options out there, albeit small ones, the IFBB will have to keep its nose clean. You give anyone in any field an absolute monopoly, and they get shady. It's just human nature.
The wildcard show was stupid and a waste of time. In my opinion.
;D
No way dude! It was the only unpredictable thing about that weekend.Rob,
Also I have odds that it's Ron-Dex-Cuts at the O.
Who wants in on this bet? I want 2 to 1 odds!
Is it fair that the IFBB/NPC will blackball PDI competitors? Hell no. But until you have a way of stopping that, I think it's questionable about whether the PDI is good for the fans or the bodybuilders.
it's good for the fans who want to see something different. I would never pay to see Coleman, Jackson, or Cutler. I would pay to see Frey, Saviour, and many of the others who are expecting to be at the NOC.
Here is my prediction: The IFBB will offer Frey a pro card even after he's competed in the NOC.
Umm, TJ is out of the NOC? Is this a fact? What is the official reason if so?
The IFBB doesn't simply "offer pro cards" like the PDI....there is a system in place to EARN them. He has to have met the criteria set forth by the IFBB affiliate in his country of origin, then be accepted by the IFBB.Do you feel most of the foreign pros deserve and "EARN" their pro cards? Most of them could not win anything in the US (ie Nationals or USA's).
Ever wonder how many Olympia Tickets are comped. Allot more than you think.Who cares. What about this thing with the PDI comping tickets. Did you honestly believe the NOC was almost sold out or were you in on the scam?
Do you feel most of the foreign pros deserve and "EARN" their pro cards? Most of them could not win anything in the US (ie Nationals or USA's).
Do you feel most of the foreign pros deserve and "EARN" their pro cards? Most of them could not win anything in the US (ie Nationals or USA's).
Remember the US pros are *not* drug tested.
The foreign pros must past comprehensive drug tests to gain a pro card. Not some fake ass one like the Team U - the real deal. Even ephedra is banned. If they fail - no card. In my region they must actually submit to random testing throughout the year [24hrs notice given only], have a certificiate to show they are 'drug free' to even enter a pro qualifier, and then they are tested again right after the show.
With all due respect the new pros coming out of the US, they could not pass a drug test whatsoever.
The drug testing is what causes this disparity. Start giving the top level NPC guys random tests through the year, and test them right after the show, ban all ppl who test positive - and you will see a massive decline in quality.Mind you - all off topic with myself - it has helped retain female bodybuilders popularity here.
PS: Thanks Chick. The PDI guys are dropping like flies :-\
No way dude! It was the only unpredictable thing about that weekend.You obviously weren't there and didn't follow it much - it was a blowout with David Henry the favorite and no one came close to "Challenging" him.
Also I have odds that it's Ron-Dex-Cuts at the O.
Who wants in on this bet? I want 2 to 1 odds!